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Transcript: City Council Regular Session - 03 November 2026

November 3, 2026

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  86. 0:24:49 Unknown speaker Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My
  87. 0:24:51 Unknown speaker name is Elizabeth Reber. I will be your
  88. 0:24:53 Unknown speaker clerk for this evening. [music] I just
  89. 0:24:54 Unknown speaker want to give you a quick update. City
  90. 0:24:56 Unknown speaker Council is still in its in its executive
  91. 0:24:59 Unknown speaker session currently. Um the matter before
  92. 0:25:02 Unknown speaker them tonight is very important. Council
  93. 0:25:04 Unknown speaker really appreciates your patience while
  94. 0:25:06 Unknown speaker they give this matter the um needed
  95. 0:25:08 Unknown speaker attention that it deserves. Um we really
  96. 0:25:10 Unknown speaker thank you for your patience and
  97. 0:25:12 Unknown speaker understanding. If I get any other
  98. 0:25:14 Unknown speaker updates from the council, um, I will
  99. 0:25:16 Unknown speaker update you promptly. Thank you so much.
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  152. 0:41:04 Unknown speaker Um, are council members and staff ready
  153. 0:41:06 Unknown speaker to do you guys need a couple more
  154. 0:41:08 Unknown speaker minutes? Okay, give us a few more
  155. 0:41:11 Unknown speaker minutes.
  156. 0:43:22 Unknown speaker I mean, it's so
  157. 0:43:38 Unknown speaker I would now like to call the November
  158. 0:43:40 Unknown speaker 3rd 2026 Longmont City Council regular
  159. 0:43:42 Unknown speaker session to order. The live stream of
  160. 0:43:44 Unknown speaker this meeting can be viewed at the city's
  161. 0:43:46 Unknown speaker YouTube channel, Longmont Public
  162. 0:43:49 Unknown speaker Media.org/watch
  163. 0:43:52 Unknown speaker or Comcast channels 8 or 880. Can we
  164. 0:43:55 Unknown speaker begin with roll call, please?
  165. 0:43:57 Unknown speaker Mayor Hago,
  166. 0:43:59 Unknown speaker present.
  167. 0:43:59 Unknown speaker Council member Christ,
  168. 0:44:00 Unknown speaker present.
  169. 0:44:01 Unknown speaker Council member Coloffer,
  170. 0:44:02 Unknown speaker present.
  171. 0:44:03 Unknown speaker Council member Marcy,
  172. 0:44:04 Unknown speaker here.
  173. 0:44:05 Unknown speaker Council member McCoy,
  174. 0:44:06 Sean McCoy present.
  175. 0:44:06 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin,
  176. 0:44:07 Unknown speaker here. Council member Prito,
  177. 0:44:09 Unknown speaker she went home sick.
  178. 0:44:11 Unknown speaker Mayor, a quorum is present.
  179. 0:44:12 Unknown speaker Great. Let's stand for the pledge.
  180. 0:44:16 Unknown speaker I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
  181. 0:44:19 Unknown speaker United States of America and to the
  182. 0:44:21 Unknown speaker republic for which it stands, one nation
  183. 0:44:25 Unknown speaker under God, indivisible, with liberty and
  184. 0:44:28 Unknown speaker justice for all.
  185. 0:44:36 Unknown speaker In accordance with council's rules of
  186. 0:44:37 Unknown speaker procedure, the rules for providing
  187. 0:44:39 Unknown speaker public comment are as follows. Only
  188. 0:44:41 Unknown speaker Longmont residents and employees of the
  189. 0:44:43 Unknown speaker city of Longmont may speak during first
  190. 0:44:45 Unknown speaker call public invited to be heard. You
  191. 0:44:47 Unknown speaker must provide your address on the signup
  192. 0:44:50 Unknown speaker sheet before the meeting or I will not
  193. 0:44:51 Unknown speaker call your name. Each speaker is limited
  194. 0:44:53 Unknown speaker to three minutes. Anyone may speak on
  195. 0:44:55 Unknown speaker second reading or public hearing item
  196. 0:44:58 Unknown speaker and you are asked to add your name to
  197. 0:44:59 Unknown speaker the speaker list for the specific item
  198. 0:45:01 Unknown speaker before the meeting. Anyone may speak
  199. 0:45:03 Unknown speaker during final call public invited to be
  200. 0:45:05 Unknown speaker heard. Members of the audience shall
  201. 0:45:08 Unknown speaker refrain from disruptive, vulgar, or
  202. 0:45:10 Unknown speaker abusive language, applause, heckling, or
  203. 0:45:12 Unknown speaker other actions that interfere with the
  204. 0:45:14 Unknown speaker orderly function of the council.
  205. 0:45:17 Unknown speaker We are now on to approval of the minutes
  206. 0:45:19 Unknown speaker for the October 20th, 2026 regular
  207. 0:45:22 Unknown speaker session.
  208. 0:45:23 Unknown speaker So moved. Okay.
  209. 0:45:26 Unknown speaker So, I we have a motion to approve and
  210. 0:45:28 Unknown speaker made by Mayor Prom
  211. 0:45:31 Unknown speaker and sec well seconded by Popkin, Council
  212. 0:45:33 Unknown speaker Member Popkin. Okay. And I'm waiting to
  213. 0:45:37 Unknown speaker My screen froze. So,
  214. 0:45:41 Unknown speaker okay. So, I don't see anyone
  215. 0:45:46 Unknown speaker um wanting to speak on this. Do um let's
  216. 0:45:49 Unknown speaker go ahead and vote.
  217. 0:45:53 Unknown speaker um for the minutes.
  218. 0:45:56 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  219. 0:45:58 Unknown speaker Um my my screen froze. Okay, let me see
  220. 0:46:02 Unknown speaker what's going on here.
  221. 0:46:05 Unknown speaker Oh, here we go. Um yeah, we can do a
  222. 0:46:08 Unknown speaker voice vote. All those in favor say I.
  223. 0:46:11 Unknown speaker I.
  224. 0:46:11 Unknown speaker All those opposed. That carries
  225. 0:46:13 Unknown speaker unanimously.
  226. 0:46:14 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Do we have any um agendas,
  227. 0:46:17 Unknown speaker submission of documents or motions to
  228. 0:46:19 Unknown speaker direct the city manager to add agenda
  229. 0:46:21 Unknown speaker items to future agendas?
  230. 0:46:24 Unknown speaker So, do we have any revisions from
  231. 0:46:28 Unknown speaker uh no revision? Revisions, mayor. Um
  232. 0:46:30 Unknown speaker staff did ask if the agenda could be
  233. 0:46:32 Unknown speaker augmented so that the Longmont Gateway
  234. 0:46:34 Unknown speaker North development items could all be
  235. 0:46:36 Unknown speaker done together. Those would be items 10 A
  236. 0:46:39 Unknown speaker as in alpha, 10 C as in Charlie, 10 D as
  237. 0:46:42 Unknown speaker in delta, and 10E as in echo. Um that's
  238. 0:46:45 Unknown speaker for clarity and continuity of the
  239. 0:46:47 Unknown speaker presentations. Okay.
  240. 0:46:48 Unknown speaker So they are hoping that item 10B is in
  241. 0:46:51 Unknown speaker Bravo. Um could either be done before
  242. 0:46:53 Unknown speaker the development items or after.
  243. 0:46:57 Unknown speaker Okay.
  244. 0:46:58 Unknown speaker So 10B. Okay. Got it. Got it. That
  245. 0:47:01 Unknown speaker that's the public utility easement.
  246. 0:47:03 Unknown speaker Okay. We can do that. Um, we can do that
  247. 0:47:06 Unknown speaker one before
  248. 0:47:08 Unknown speaker and then we'll do all the um
  249. 0:47:12 Unknown speaker the
  250. 0:47:14 Unknown speaker where is it at? Yeah, gateway project
  251. 0:47:16 Unknown speaker items together. Does that work? Okay.
  252. 0:47:20 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's fine. Okay. And seeing no
  253. 0:47:23 Unknown speaker one in the queue for adding future
  254. 0:47:26 Unknown speaker agenda items, we'll move on to city
  255. 0:47:29 Unknown speaker manager report. Does the city manager
  256. 0:47:31 Unknown speaker have a report? Okay. on to special
  257. 0:47:34 Unknown speaker reports and presentations. The community
  258. 0:47:36 Unknown speaker satisfaction survey 2026 report out. Um
  259. 0:47:40 Unknown speaker we have assistant city manager Sandy
  260. 0:47:42 Unknown speaker Cedar and other says other staff to
  261. 0:47:45 Unknown speaker introduce this item.
  262. 0:47:49 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor Hoggo Fairing, Sandy
  263. 0:47:51 Unknown speaker Cedar, assistant city manager, and I am
  264. 0:47:53 Unknown speaker going to shortly be joined by some
  265. 0:47:55 Unknown speaker members of the strategic integration
  266. 0:47:57 Unknown speaker department, particularly data and
  267. 0:47:59 Unknown speaker analytics. Um, I want to just introduce
  268. 0:48:01 Unknown speaker this real quick because it's important
  269. 0:48:03 Unknown speaker to me to make sure people get credit
  270. 0:48:04 Unknown speaker where credit is due. Um, uh, a few weeks
  271. 0:48:08 Unknown speaker ago you all saw your action plan and one
  272. 0:48:10 Unknown speaker of my favorite podcasts mentioned that
  273. 0:48:12 Unknown speaker they were the greatest charts they'd
  274. 0:48:14 Unknown speaker ever seen or something like that. Um,
  275. 0:48:17 Unknown speaker and so and they gave me credit for it
  276. 0:48:18 Unknown speaker and I just have to say it was Anna
  277. 0:48:21 Unknown speaker Castro who is about to present to you
  278. 0:48:23 Unknown speaker all. Um and uh just this is just an
  279. 0:48:27 Unknown speaker amazing body of work that she's going to
  280. 0:48:29 Unknown speaker show you. Um and her along with her
  281. 0:48:31 Unknown speaker manager Lin Yarmmy did a ton of work on
  282. 0:48:33 Unknown speaker this plus lots of city staff that help
  283. 0:48:35 Unknown speaker with um getting the word out about the
  284. 0:48:37 Unknown speaker customer satisfaction survey. So without
  285. 0:48:40 Unknown speaker further ado, I introduce to you Anna
  286. 0:48:42 Unknown speaker Castro.
  287. 0:48:51 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  288. 0:48:59 Unknown speaker Oh, this is
  289. 0:49:13 Unknown speaker Sounds good.
  290. 0:49:16 Unknown speaker Hello. Um, I'm Anna Castro, data analy
  291. 0:49:18 Unknown speaker uh data analyst for the um strategic
  292. 0:49:21 Unknown speaker integrations office of data and
  293. 0:49:23 Unknown speaker analytics and I'm here to talk to you
  294. 0:49:25 Unknown speaker guys today about the results of the 2026
  295. 0:49:28 Unknown speaker Longmont community satisfaction survey,
  296. 0:49:30 Unknown speaker not customer community satisfaction
  297. 0:49:32 Unknown speaker survey. Um before I start, I do want to
  298. 0:49:35 Unknown speaker go a little bit about over um about the
  299. 0:49:38 Unknown speaker uh purpose and background of this
  300. 0:49:40 Unknown speaker survey. Um the purpose is essentially um
  301. 0:49:43 Unknown speaker it's a sentiment analysis. We want to
  302. 0:49:46 Unknown speaker hear from the community about their
  303. 0:49:47 Unknown speaker overall quality of life, but also what
  304. 0:49:50 Unknown speaker concerns they have um things that impact
  305. 0:49:52 Unknown speaker them to ultimately um help improve our
  306. 0:49:55 Unknown speaker processes, our services, and their
  307. 0:49:57 Unknown speaker quality of life.
  308. 0:50:01 Unknown speaker So just a quick note about the
  309. 0:50:02 Unknown speaker background. Um this survey started in
  310. 0:50:04 Unknown speaker 1996 and it has been conducted
  311. 0:50:07 Unknown speaker approximately every two years since
  312. 0:50:08 Unknown speaker then. Um at the beginning the survey um
  313. 0:50:12 Unknown speaker methodology was such that uh a random
  314. 0:50:15 Unknown speaker set of addresses were uh collected and
  315. 0:50:18 Unknown speaker each of those addresses received was
  316. 0:50:21 Unknown speaker mailed a printed survey. Now in 2026 we
  317. 0:50:24 Unknown speaker completely changed that approach with
  318. 0:50:26 Unknown speaker the goal of increasing um the response
  319. 0:50:29 Unknown speaker rate. So the first change that we made
  320. 0:50:32 Unknown speaker was that we um implemented a digital
  321. 0:50:34 Unknown speaker first strategy. However, we still kept
  322. 0:50:36 Unknown speaker the printed survey as an option for
  323. 0:50:38 Unknown speaker those who preferred that. Um, we also um
  324. 0:50:41 Unknown speaker engaged the assistance of different
  325. 0:50:43 Unknown speaker departments as well as cultural brokers
  326. 0:50:45 Unknown speaker um within the the city to increase the
  327. 0:50:48 Unknown speaker participation of certain demographics
  328. 0:50:50 Unknown speaker that we hadn't previously heard from um
  329. 0:50:52 Unknown speaker a whole lot. Um the other thing that we
  330. 0:50:54 Unknown speaker did, and this is a huge change, was that
  331. 0:50:56 Unknown speaker rather than target specific addresses,
  332. 0:50:58 Unknown speaker we opened it up to the entire community
  333. 0:51:00 Unknown speaker and the community responded. All of
  334. 0:51:03 Unknown speaker these changes resulted in a uh in a
  335. 0:51:05 Unknown speaker participation level that went from 606
  336. 0:51:08 Unknown speaker in 2024 to nearly 4,000 responses in
  337. 0:51:12 Unknown speaker 2026.
  338. 0:51:13 Unknown speaker But more importantly, this increased uh
  339. 0:51:16 Unknown speaker response set allowed us to break up the
  340. 0:51:18 Unknown speaker the responses into different demographic
  341. 0:51:20 Unknown speaker groups that I'll be showing um later on
  342. 0:51:22 Unknown speaker in the presentation. And it's also worth
  343. 0:51:25 Unknown speaker noting that these demographic groups
  344. 0:51:27 Unknown speaker that we've broken out, most will uh meet
  345. 0:51:30 Unknown speaker the statistical significance. So that's
  346. 0:51:32 Unknown speaker that's something to kind of keep in mind
  347. 0:51:34 Unknown speaker as we go through.
  348. 0:51:37 Unknown speaker Okay. So one other thing is that as we
  349. 0:51:39 Unknown speaker go through the charts, you are going to
  350. 0:51:40 Unknown speaker notice that the result the the charts
  351. 0:51:42 Unknown speaker look a little bit different than the
  352. 0:51:44 Unknown speaker report that you may have seen
  353. 0:51:45 Unknown speaker previously. And that's because one,
  354. 0:51:46 Unknown speaker we're optimizing them for presentation.
  355. 0:51:48 Unknown speaker Uh which includes summarizing them at a
  356. 0:51:50 Unknown speaker little bit of a higher level than the
  357. 0:51:52 Unknown speaker full presentation report that you saw
  358. 0:51:54 Unknown speaker previously. Um but two, we're also
  359. 0:51:57 Unknown speaker lining them up side by side with the AC
  360. 0:52:00 Unknown speaker the US census um ACS community reports
  361. 0:52:04 Unknown speaker and those are profiles that are um that
  362. 0:52:06 Unknown speaker are put out um every year and every five
  363. 0:52:08 Unknown speaker years by the census to u basically show
  364. 0:52:11 Unknown speaker you what the community looks like at
  365. 0:52:13 Unknown speaker that given point in time. And lastly um
  366. 0:52:16 Unknown speaker as I mentioned uh because we are
  367. 0:52:18 Unknown speaker summarizing and optimizing for highle
  368. 0:52:20 Unknown speaker presentation some um percentages will
  369. 0:52:23 Unknown speaker not neatly add up to 100%. So just one
  370. 0:52:26 Unknown speaker thing to keep in mind. All right. So now
  371. 0:52:29 Unknown speaker to the results. Um the first map that
  372. 0:52:32 Unknown speaker you guys see here shows you uh the the
  373. 0:52:35 Unknown speaker warts the three wards and I'm glad to
  374. 0:52:37 Unknown speaker say that we did get a very uh neatly uh
  375. 0:52:41 Unknown speaker distribution across all three wards.
  376. 0:52:47 Unknown speaker And so for this one here, um this is the
  377. 0:52:49 Unknown speaker first example of the ACS profile that I
  378. 0:52:51 Unknown speaker mentioned earlier. Um in the gray shaded
  379. 0:52:53 Unknown speaker area, you can see what the actual
  380. 0:52:55 Unknown speaker community looks like next to the
  381. 0:52:57 Unknown speaker breakout of the responses that we got
  382. 0:52:59 Unknown speaker for this survey. And I know it's kind of
  383. 0:53:01 Unknown speaker hard to see, but you'll see a very small
  384. 0:53:03 Unknown speaker number right below the percentages. And
  385. 0:53:05 Unknown speaker those numbers are something that I
  386. 0:53:07 Unknown speaker wanted to um like point out because they
  387. 0:53:10 Unknown speaker emphasize the the huge improvements that
  388. 0:53:12 Unknown speaker we made from the 2024. So just one
  389. 0:53:14 Unknown speaker example here in the 35 to 44 age group
  390. 0:53:18 Unknown speaker you'll notice that we had 561 responses
  391. 0:53:22 Unknown speaker those 561 are almost exactly or close to
  392. 0:53:26 Unknown speaker the entire response set from 2024. So
  393. 0:53:30 Unknown speaker that's just one of the many improvements
  394. 0:53:32 Unknown speaker that we saw with the increased
  395. 0:53:33 Unknown speaker demographic um with the increased
  396. 0:53:35 Unknown speaker response set.
  397. 0:53:38 Unknown speaker Here we have um self-identified race and
  398. 0:53:40 Unknown speaker ethnicity. And as I mentioned earlier,
  399. 0:53:42 Unknown speaker this is a highle summary. So not all of
  400. 0:53:44 Unknown speaker the options are showing up in here, but
  401. 0:53:46 Unknown speaker you can see it compared uh to the ACS
  402. 0:53:49 Unknown speaker profile. And just as with age, I want to
  403. 0:53:51 Unknown speaker point out that Hispanic, Latino, and uh
  404. 0:53:53 Unknown speaker Spanish origin right here shows you 256
  405. 0:53:57 Unknown speaker responses. And as a quick comparison, in
  406. 0:53:59 Unknown speaker 2024, we had a total of 23.
  407. 0:54:05 Unknown speaker This one here shows you the household
  408. 0:54:07 Unknown speaker income. And as you can see, it's very
  409. 0:54:09 Unknown speaker spot-on, very um close to the ACS
  410. 0:54:11 Unknown speaker profile.
  411. 0:54:14 Unknown speaker This is um highest level of education
  412. 0:54:16 Unknown speaker reported. And historically, we have
  413. 0:54:18 Unknown speaker always seen uh more responses from
  414. 0:54:21 Unknown speaker higher education um community segments.
  415. 0:54:27 Unknown speaker And this is the distribution of people
  416. 0:54:28 Unknown speaker who live in homes and people who own
  417. 0:54:30 Unknown speaker their homes versus apartments and
  418. 0:54:31 Unknown speaker renters.
  419. 0:54:35 Unknown speaker All right. So in 2026 for the first time
  420. 0:54:37 Unknown speaker we introduced the question of whether
  421. 0:54:39 Unknown speaker there are children in the home and as
  422. 0:54:41 Unknown speaker you can see on there uh 24% indicated
  423. 0:54:44 Unknown speaker that there are um the other change that
  424. 0:54:46 Unknown speaker we made was expanding the options for
  425. 0:54:48 Unknown speaker employment and these two um
  426. 0:54:51 Unknown speaker modifications allowed us to look at the
  427. 0:54:53 Unknown speaker data in many different ways which we'll
  428. 0:54:56 Unknown speaker get to um in a moment there. So on to
  429. 0:54:59 Unknown speaker the results. Um the first set that we're
  430. 0:55:02 Unknown speaker going to be going over are the city
  431. 0:55:04 Unknown speaker services and employee reviews.
  432. 0:55:08 Unknown speaker So this one here um shows a list of the
  433. 0:55:10 Unknown speaker city services. It is split across two
  434. 0:55:12 Unknown speaker visuals, but as you can see the
  435. 0:55:14 Unknown speaker excellent and good are in the blue
  436. 0:55:16 Unknown speaker shaded uh colors. The majority of
  437. 0:55:19 Unknown speaker responses were overwhelmingly positive
  438. 0:55:21 Unknown speaker indicating that people are generally
  439. 0:55:22 Unknown speaker very satisfied with the services
  440. 0:55:24 Unknown speaker provided. there is some room for
  441. 0:55:26 Unknown speaker improvement uh particularly across these
  442. 0:55:29 Unknown speaker services listed at the bottom here.
  443. 0:55:35 Unknown speaker Okay. So now on to employee impressions.
  444. 0:55:38 Unknown speaker Um so similarly you can see here that
  445. 0:55:40 Unknown speaker the majority of uh results here are
  446. 0:55:43 Unknown speaker indicating that uh people are generally
  447. 0:55:45 Unknown speaker um well satisfied rating either
  448. 0:55:48 Unknown speaker excellent or good for the majority of
  449. 0:55:50 Unknown speaker employee impressions. Um in the next
  450. 0:55:53 Unknown speaker slide I'm going to uh focus on a couple
  451. 0:55:55 Unknown speaker of them here because we are showing them
  452. 0:55:57 Unknown speaker over time. So here um we are only
  453. 0:56:00 Unknown speaker showing you the ones who indicated that
  454. 0:56:02 Unknown speaker uh that their perception was good or
  455. 0:56:04 Unknown speaker excellent. And over time you'll see that
  456. 0:56:06 Unknown speaker treating with respect, knowledge of the
  457. 0:56:08 Unknown speaker issue and overall impression have
  458. 0:56:10 Unknown speaker remained consistently high.
  459. 0:56:13 Unknown speaker Two of the uh of the responses, however,
  460. 0:56:15 Unknown speaker are uh a little bit on the downturn and
  461. 0:56:18 Unknown speaker so I have to draw attention to those and
  462. 0:56:20 Unknown speaker those include um how easy it was to get
  463. 0:56:22 Unknown speaker in touch with the employees and how
  464. 0:56:24 Unknown speaker quickly the issues were handled.
  465. 0:56:30 Unknown speaker And so moving on to life in Longmont.
  466. 0:56:34 Unknown speaker So in the blue here, the two shades of
  467. 0:56:36 Unknown speaker blue, you see that people are reporting
  468. 0:56:39 Unknown speaker um an excellent or a good quality of
  469. 0:56:41 Unknown speaker life. And we have seen these results
  470. 0:56:43 Unknown speaker very consistently over the years. As you
  471. 0:56:46 Unknown speaker can see in this next slide here, um at
  472. 0:56:49 Unknown speaker 85% it has stayed pretty consistent.
  473. 0:56:56 Unknown speaker And in the 2026 survey um for the first
  474. 0:56:58 Unknown speaker time we introduced this question around
  475. 0:57:01 Unknown speaker a welcoming community including um
  476. 0:57:04 Unknown speaker whether the person feels welcomed in
  477. 0:57:06 Unknown speaker their community, whether they um have
  478. 0:57:08 Unknown speaker someone that they can count on for help
  479. 0:57:09 Unknown speaker and whether they know where to find
  480. 0:57:11 Unknown speaker programs should they need assistance.
  481. 0:57:13 Unknown speaker And as you can see here again uh people
  482. 0:57:15 Unknown speaker are reporting that they do feel welcome,
  483. 0:57:17 Unknown speaker which points to a a strong and welcoming
  484. 0:57:20 Unknown speaker uh long.
  485. 0:57:25 Unknown speaker Now we have Longmont overall and I do
  486. 0:57:27 Unknown speaker want to uh point out uh one distinction
  487. 0:57:29 Unknown speaker here. So the very first one is asking
  488. 0:57:31 Unknown speaker about your neighborhood as a place to
  489. 0:57:32 Unknown speaker live. This is different from just
  490. 0:57:34 Unknown speaker overall satisfaction and I'll be um
  491. 0:57:37 Unknown speaker showing this data point in the next um
  492. 0:57:40 Unknown speaker slide a little bit more um along with um
  493. 0:57:42 Unknown speaker Longmont as a place to shop which as you
  494. 0:57:45 Unknown speaker can see here is not necessarily uh the
  495. 0:57:47 Unknown speaker highest rated.
  496. 0:57:51 Unknown speaker So over time, your neighborhood, as a
  497. 0:57:54 Unknown speaker place to live, has consistently been
  498. 0:57:56 Unknown speaker rated very highly. Um,
  499. 0:57:59 Unknown speaker as a place to shop, as I mentioned
  500. 0:58:01 Unknown speaker before, historically has always received
  501. 0:58:03 Unknown speaker fairly low ratings, but it was important
  502. 0:58:05 Unknown speaker to show this one here because, as you
  503. 0:58:07 Unknown speaker can see, it is on the upward um trend
  504. 0:58:10 Unknown speaker here.
  505. 0:58:15 Unknown speaker Okay. So now um for this question we
  506. 0:58:18 Unknown speaker presented a list of different aspects
  507. 0:58:20 Unknown speaker about the community and we asked people
  508. 0:58:22 Unknown speaker to select their favorite aspects of
  509. 0:58:24 Unknown speaker Longmont and these were the ones that
  510. 0:58:26 Unknown speaker were selected. Again historically um
  511. 0:58:29 Unknown speaker they have generally been rated or most
  512. 0:58:32 Unknown speaker commonly chosen here. But I do want to
  513. 0:58:34 Unknown speaker mention that natural environment saw a
  514. 0:58:36 Unknown speaker very uh very nice increase right there
  515. 0:58:38 Unknown speaker from 46 in 2024 to 63% in 2026.
  516. 0:58:44 Unknown speaker Similarly, sense of community also saw
  517. 0:58:46 Unknown speaker that increase there.
  518. 0:58:50 Unknown speaker All right. So, here is um here is where
  519. 0:58:52 Unknown speaker we were able to use the increased
  520. 0:58:54 Unknown speaker response set to look at the same data
  521. 0:58:56 Unknown speaker set but from different points of view.
  522. 0:59:00 Unknown speaker You'll see that there's um a number of
  523. 0:59:02 Unknown speaker of demographic groups here. So, the dark
  524. 0:59:04 Unknown speaker blue represents all of the responses
  525. 0:59:06 Unknown speaker across the board. The light blue is only
  526. 0:59:09 Unknown speaker ages 18 to 34. The red is families with
  527. 0:59:12 Unknown speaker children. The orange is income under
  528. 0:59:15 Unknown speaker 100K. The yellow is people with no
  529. 0:59:18 Unknown speaker four-year degree. And the teal is people
  530. 0:59:21 Unknown speaker of color. And the one thing that stands
  531. 0:59:24 Unknown speaker out immediately when you look at this is
  532. 0:59:25 Unknown speaker when you look at schools. You'll notice
  533. 0:59:27 Unknown speaker that the red bar is far ahead of all the
  534. 0:59:29 Unknown speaker other ones, indicating that families
  535. 0:59:31 Unknown speaker with children value schools as one of
  536. 0:59:33 Unknown speaker their favorite aspects of Longmont.
  537. 0:59:39 Unknown speaker And now moving on to feelings of safety.
  538. 0:59:41 Unknown speaker Um in the blue here you'll see that uh
  539. 0:59:44 Unknown speaker this indicates that people always feel
  540. 0:59:46 Unknown speaker safe. The blue is that they're usually
  541. 0:59:48 Unknown speaker feeling safe. The yellow is sometimes
  542. 0:59:51 Unknown speaker safe, sometime unsafe. Now I do want to
  543. 0:59:53 Unknown speaker focus on this one just a little bit
  544. 0:59:55 Unknown speaker because you'll notice that there are a
  545. 0:59:56 Unknown speaker lot of answer choices in this question.
  546. 0:59:59 Unknown speaker And that was after we already simplified
  547. 1:00:01 Unknown speaker it a little bit by combining the two
  548. 1:00:03 Unknown speaker middle choices. So keep this in mind as
  549. 1:00:06 Unknown speaker we look at the next um visual here. Um
  550. 1:00:08 Unknown speaker again, generally speaking, people are
  551. 1:00:10 Unknown speaker reporting that they feel um always safe
  552. 1:00:13 Unknown speaker or usually safe, particularly around
  553. 1:00:15 Unknown speaker their neighborhood and particularly
  554. 1:00:16 Unknown speaker during the daytime.
  555. 1:00:20 Unknown speaker Now, in the feelings of safety over
  556. 1:00:22 Unknown speaker time, I mentioned the change that we
  557. 1:00:24 Unknown speaker made in the prior slide because you'll
  558. 1:00:26 Unknown speaker notice that there's one dip right there,
  559. 1:00:28 Unknown speaker and that's long overall at night. um
  560. 1:00:31 Unknown speaker this could be partially explained by the
  561. 1:00:33 Unknown speaker change in the answer choices. So it'll
  562. 1:00:35 Unknown speaker be something to kind of keep in mind as
  563. 1:00:36 Unknown speaker we continue to display uh to provide the
  564. 1:00:39 Unknown speaker same answer choices for future surveys.
  565. 1:00:42 Unknown speaker But overall the rest of the categories
  566. 1:00:44 Unknown speaker stayed uh generally high and
  567. 1:00:46 Unknown speaker consistently high.
  568. 1:00:50 Unknown speaker Okay. So now for speed of growth um we
  569. 1:00:53 Unknown speaker asked uh perceptions of speed of growth
  570. 1:00:56 Unknown speaker on four different data points. Those
  571. 1:00:58 Unknown speaker were housing, population, jobs, and
  572. 1:01:00 Unknown speaker retail. Right here, you're seeing
  573. 1:01:02 Unknown speaker housing and population. The darker blue
  574. 1:01:05 Unknown speaker is indicating that it's much too slow.
  575. 1:01:07 Unknown speaker The lighter blue is that it's much too
  576. 1:01:09 Unknown speaker fast. So, generally, these two um
  577. 1:01:11 Unknown speaker options here are reported as being much
  578. 1:01:14 Unknown speaker somewhat too fast or much too fast.
  579. 1:01:19 Unknown speaker Now when we look at speed of growth um
  580. 1:01:21 Unknown speaker in jobs and retail we kind of see a
  581. 1:01:24 Unknown speaker little bit of the opposite but it is
  582. 1:01:26 Unknown speaker important to show that for the jobs
  583. 1:01:28 Unknown speaker category you see a lot of that gray
  584. 1:01:30 Unknown speaker shaded area which indicates that people
  585. 1:01:32 Unknown speaker said that they didn't know. So they
  586. 1:01:34 Unknown speaker basically opted out of responding to
  587. 1:01:35 Unknown speaker that and the rest um are indicating that
  588. 1:01:38 Unknown speaker it's either much too slow or somewhat
  589. 1:01:39 Unknown speaker too slow. And then retail um is the
  590. 1:01:43 Unknown speaker right amount, but again it's kind of
  591. 1:01:45 Unknown speaker consistent with what we saw earlier
  592. 1:01:46 Unknown speaker about retail not necessarily being the
  593. 1:01:49 Unknown speaker favorite or or a highly rated um aspect
  594. 1:01:53 Unknown speaker of Longmont here. But now this one here
  595. 1:01:57 Unknown speaker is using the same demographic group that
  596. 1:01:59 Unknown speaker we talked about in the prior slide and
  597. 1:02:01 Unknown speaker looking at those same uh speed of growth
  598. 1:02:03 Unknown speaker data points. The one thing that stands
  599. 1:02:06 Unknown speaker out immediately is in the job section.
  600. 1:02:08 Unknown speaker You'll see that ages 18 to 34 as well as
  601. 1:02:10 Unknown speaker people of color are reporting that the
  602. 1:02:13 Unknown speaker their perception is that these um jobs
  603. 1:02:16 Unknown speaker job growth is much too slow or somewhat
  604. 1:02:18 Unknown speaker too slow compared to the rest of the
  605. 1:02:20 Unknown speaker demographic groups. And similarly when
  606. 1:02:22 Unknown speaker you look at housing age demographic of
  607. 1:02:25 Unknown speaker 18 to 34 is also reporting that it's
  608. 1:02:27 Unknown speaker much too slow or somewhat too slow.
  609. 1:02:33 Unknown speaker Okay. So now what worries the Longmont
  610. 1:02:35 Unknown speaker community?
  611. 1:02:37 Unknown speaker We asked um we presented a series of of
  612. 1:02:40 Unknown speaker items and we asked people to uh rate
  613. 1:02:43 Unknown speaker whether they thought these problems
  614. 1:02:45 Unknown speaker would be a major moderate minor problem
  615. 1:02:47 Unknown speaker or not a problem at all in the future of
  616. 1:02:49 Unknown speaker Longmont. And the red represents a major
  617. 1:02:52 Unknown speaker problem, orange moderate. Um
  618. 1:02:56 Unknown speaker traffic homelessness continue to be at
  619. 1:02:58 Unknown speaker the top of the list um year-over-year.
  620. 1:03:01 Unknown speaker But the other thing I wanted to mention
  621. 1:03:03 Unknown speaker here is that on the side you see those
  622. 1:03:05 Unknown speaker uh circles. We also offered the option
  623. 1:03:09 Unknown speaker for people to write in three of the
  624. 1:03:11 Unknown speaker problems that they perceived Longmon
  625. 1:03:13 Unknown speaker would be um dealing with in the near
  626. 1:03:15 Unknown speaker future. The majority of responses fit
  627. 1:03:17 Unknown speaker neatly into the list that we already
  628. 1:03:19 Unknown speaker had. And so we're not showing you those
  629. 1:03:21 Unknown speaker additional bubbles, but these four
  630. 1:03:23 Unknown speaker bubbles here, infrastructure, climate,
  631. 1:03:25 Unknown speaker water, and surveillance um came in at
  632. 1:03:27 Unknown speaker the top of the writein categories.
  633. 1:03:34 Unknown speaker All right. So now perceptions of
  634. 1:03:35 Unknown speaker Longmont over time. So as you saw in the
  635. 1:03:37 Unknown speaker prior slide, homelessness, traffic
  636. 1:03:40 Unknown speaker congestion continue to be at the top of
  637. 1:03:42 Unknown speaker the list as they have in many, you know,
  638. 1:03:44 Unknown speaker several years back. Um, but there are
  639. 1:03:46 Unknown speaker two areas that I wanted to show here and
  640. 1:03:49 Unknown speaker those are crime and drugs. As you can
  641. 1:03:51 Unknown speaker see with that light blue line and then
  642. 1:03:53 Unknown speaker the the dark blue line for drugs, those
  643. 1:03:56 Unknown speaker um are decreasing. So people are
  644. 1:03:58 Unknown speaker perceiving that those problems are not
  645. 1:04:00 Unknown speaker as severe as they might have been in the
  646. 1:04:02 Unknown speaker past.
  647. 1:04:07 Unknown speaker Okay. Now looking at that same data set
  648. 1:04:09 Unknown speaker but this time through uh the different
  649. 1:04:11 Unknown speaker demographic breakdown you can see that
  650. 1:04:14 Unknown speaker again generally um the responses are are
  651. 1:04:17 Unknown speaker around the same but you'll see some uh
  652. 1:04:19 Unknown speaker notable differences when you're looking
  653. 1:04:20 Unknown speaker at the specific demographic groups.
  654. 1:04:26 Unknown speaker Okay. So, bear with me on this one. I
  655. 1:04:28 Unknown speaker recognize there's a lot of information
  656. 1:04:30 Unknown speaker on here, but it but I thought it was
  657. 1:04:32 Unknown speaker important to show the 2026 compared to
  658. 1:04:35 Unknown speaker the 2024
  659. 1:04:37 Unknown speaker um survey responses. This one here,
  660. 1:04:40 Unknown speaker unlike the prior question when we're
  661. 1:04:42 Unknown speaker asking about general problems in
  662. 1:04:43 Unknown speaker Longmont, we are specifically asking
  663. 1:04:46 Unknown speaker people to report on um how these issues
  664. 1:04:49 Unknown speaker impacted themselves or anyone in their
  665. 1:04:52 Unknown speaker household directly over the past 2
  666. 1:04:54 Unknown speaker years. The red right here indicates it
  667. 1:04:58 Unknown speaker impacted them a lot. The orange a
  668. 1:05:00 Unknown speaker little, the blue not at all. Um, if I
  669. 1:05:02 Unknown speaker may direct your attention to the amount
  670. 1:05:04 Unknown speaker of red in the 2024 compared to the
  671. 1:05:08 Unknown speaker amount of red in 2026 and that shows
  672. 1:05:11 Unknown speaker that the intensity at which these
  673. 1:05:13 Unknown speaker problems are being reported as uh a
  674. 1:05:16 Unknown speaker major impact has definitely increased in
  675. 1:05:18 Unknown speaker every single category.
  676. 1:05:24 Unknown speaker Now when we look at the same da same
  677. 1:05:26 Unknown speaker question same data but through the
  678. 1:05:28 Unknown speaker different demographic groups that
  679. 1:05:30 Unknown speaker distinction is very very clear when
  680. 1:05:32 Unknown speaker you're looking at for example the 18
  681. 1:05:34 Unknown speaker to35 demographic you can see that they
  682. 1:05:37 Unknown speaker are reporting that these issues are
  683. 1:05:38 Unknown speaker impacting them um a lot. This data set
  684. 1:05:41 Unknown speaker only includes the the red response in
  685. 1:05:43 Unknown speaker the prior one. So by a lot not the a
  686. 1:05:46 Unknown speaker little bit or not at all just a lot. And
  687. 1:05:48 Unknown speaker so you'll see that the light blue um is
  688. 1:05:50 Unknown speaker far ahead of all of the other ones in
  689. 1:05:53 Unknown speaker how deeply these um issues are impacting
  690. 1:05:56 Unknown speaker that demographic.
  691. 1:05:58 Unknown speaker I I would say that child care cost is
  692. 1:06:01 Unknown speaker probably one of the easily uh most
  693. 1:06:03 Unknown speaker visible one that impacts the uh families
  694. 1:06:06 Unknown speaker with children when you're just looking
  695. 1:06:07 Unknown speaker at this um at first glance.
  696. 1:06:13 Unknown speaker Okay. So we recognize that this was a
  697. 1:06:15 Unknown speaker very long survey. Despite that, we did
  698. 1:06:18 Unknown speaker offer a um an open comment box at the
  699. 1:06:22 Unknown speaker very end of the survey. And in that uh
  700. 1:06:25 Unknown speaker open box, we asked any other other
  701. 1:06:26 Unknown speaker comments or concerns and people had a
  702. 1:06:30 Unknown speaker lot to say. We received um 1,277
  703. 1:06:34 Unknown speaker writing comments. Some people left a
  704. 1:06:36 Unknown speaker simple um a simple compliment, a couple
  705. 1:06:38 Unknown speaker sentences offering a compliment, hence
  706. 1:06:40 Unknown speaker the the green in these circles. Some of
  707. 1:06:42 Unknown speaker these were positive um and other people
  708. 1:06:45 Unknown speaker left paragraphs long of different issues
  709. 1:06:48 Unknown speaker or concerns. And so this is um a
  710. 1:06:50 Unknown speaker high-level summary of the majority of
  711. 1:06:52 Unknown speaker those issues. So as you can see a lot of
  712. 1:06:55 Unknown speaker them are very uh very clear trends from
  713. 1:06:57 Unknown speaker prior answers. So traffic,
  714. 1:06:59 Unknown speaker transportation, ebikes, um and then
  715. 1:07:01 Unknown speaker housing you have like a variety of
  716. 1:07:04 Unknown speaker different responses that went into
  717. 1:07:05 Unknown speaker housing, affordability, utilities,
  718. 1:07:07 Unknown speaker airport. Um essentially people were very
  719. 1:07:11 Unknown speaker invested again despite already taking a
  720. 1:07:13 Unknown speaker very long survey they are invested in
  721. 1:07:15 Unknown speaker giving in providing their thoughts in uh
  722. 1:07:18 Unknown speaker taking the time to make the long month
  723. 1:07:20 Unknown speaker they they want.
  724. 1:07:25 Unknown speaker Okay. So the takeaways here were that um
  725. 1:07:29 Unknown speaker one we are hearing more from our
  726. 1:07:31 Unknown speaker community and like I mentioned at the
  727. 1:07:33 Unknown speaker beginning the efforts of the cultural
  728. 1:07:35 Unknown speaker brokers and the engagement of other
  729. 1:07:37 Unknown speaker departments across the city to increase
  730. 1:07:39 Unknown speaker um these responses were very notable. Um
  731. 1:07:43 Unknown speaker two the long community appreciates and
  732. 1:07:46 Unknown speaker values long
  733. 1:07:48 Unknown speaker um as evidenced by the high um uh
  734. 1:07:51 Unknown speaker overall satisfaction rates.
  735. 1:07:54 Unknown speaker Um, three, we are seeing that the
  736. 1:07:57 Unknown speaker financial pressures are increasingly
  737. 1:07:58 Unknown speaker affecting the entire community.
  738. 1:08:01 Unknown speaker And four, the experiences are not the
  739. 1:08:04 Unknown speaker same for everyone.
  740. 1:08:09 Unknown speaker Um, so that's it. Do you have any
  741. 1:08:11 Unknown speaker questions?
  742. 1:08:13 Unknown speaker Do we have any questions from council?
  743. 1:08:16 Unknown speaker It was very comprehensive. Thank you
  744. 1:08:18 Unknown speaker very much. That was great. Um, go ahead,
  745. 1:08:21 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin.
  746. 1:08:26 Unknown speaker Oh,
  747. 1:08:27 Unknown speaker I turned you on. Nope, you're on.
  748. 1:08:31 Unknown speaker That's weird because
  749. 1:08:34 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  750. 1:08:35 Unknown speaker Okay.
  751. 1:08:36 Unknown speaker I know.
  752. 1:08:37 Unknown speaker Yeah, it showed up red on Yeah.
  753. 1:08:40 Unknown speaker Go to council for
  754. 1:08:42 Unknown speaker Oh, yeah. Because I have you on red and
  755. 1:08:43 Unknown speaker then it turns off. Oh, you're you're not
  756. 1:08:46 Unknown speaker speaking tonight. Okay. [laughter]
  757. 1:08:50 Unknown speaker So, yeah, we could put it back on. Nope.
  758. 1:08:53 Unknown speaker Put it back on. Thanks. Um,
  759. 1:08:56 Unknown speaker hello.
  760. 1:09:01 Unknown speaker Okay, we are joured. [laughter]
  761. 1:09:06 Unknown speaker Yeah, let me do that.
  762. 1:09:12 Unknown speaker Oh, that is strange.
  763. 1:09:16 Unknown speaker I don't know. I don't even know what
  764. 1:09:18 Unknown speaker that means. And you're you're showing
  765. 1:09:20 Unknown speaker that you're a speaker. You're on.
  766. 1:09:24 Unknown speaker It's turning it off when they
  767. 1:09:26 Unknown speaker I know. The whole system is showing a
  768. 1:09:27 Unknown speaker blue error.
  769. 1:09:29 Unknown speaker I haven't seen that before.
  770. 1:09:32 Unknown speaker Huh.
  771. 1:09:33 Unknown speaker Okay. Just shout really loud here.
  772. 1:09:37 Unknown speaker Okay.
  773. 1:09:38 Unknown speaker Let me just get
  774. 1:09:38 Unknown speaker Okay,
  775. 1:09:40 Unknown speaker I will try yours.
  776. 1:09:44 Unknown speaker Oh, yeah.
  777. 1:09:44 Unknown speaker I heard somebody in the audience say,
  778. 1:09:45 Unknown speaker "Unplug it and plug it back in." So,
  779. 1:09:47 Unknown speaker there's an in.
  780. 1:09:48 Unknown speaker There's an in. Take the in out and then
  781. 1:09:52 Unknown speaker plug it back in.
  782. 1:09:54 Unknown speaker Did [laughter]
  783. 1:09:57 Unknown speaker Did you guys try that already?
  784. 1:10:11 Unknown speaker Yeah, let me let me just
  785. 1:10:16 Unknown speaker [cough]
  786. 1:10:41 Unknown speaker I did the
  787. 1:10:42 Unknown speaker There we go. I just did it.
  788. 1:10:44 Unknown speaker Harold, can you hear me?
  789. 1:10:45 Unknown speaker Yes. There we go.
  790. 1:10:47 Unknown speaker Okay, we're on.
  791. 1:10:50 Unknown speaker Who are you? Are you
  792. 1:10:51 Unknown speaker Hey, actually, I am.
  793. 1:10:53 Unknown speaker Nope.
  794. 1:10:54 Unknown speaker So, I have a weird thing on my screen.
  795. 1:10:56 Unknown speaker Let me I'm going to play around with it,
  796. 1:10:58 Unknown speaker but go ahead.
  797. 1:10:58 Unknown speaker Uh, council member Popkin.
  798. 1:11:01 Unknown speaker I guess we're back. Okay. um fastest
  799. 1:11:04 Unknown speaker technical difficulty resolution.
  800. 1:11:05 Unknown speaker Yes.
  801. 1:11:06 Unknown speaker Um excellent. First of all, uh thank you
  802. 1:11:09 Unknown speaker not only for the lovely charts, but but
  803. 1:11:10 Unknown speaker what the with the data that that those
  804. 1:11:12 Unknown speaker represent. Uh this is a a mark a very
  805. 1:11:15 Unknown speaker clear increase in survey responses. So,
  806. 1:11:19 Unknown speaker uh whatever we're starting to do here,
  807. 1:11:20 Unknown speaker let that's a great signal that that was
  808. 1:11:23 Unknown speaker working better. What was it about 4,000
  809. 1:11:25 Unknown speaker responses total? Um that's not
  810. 1:11:27 Unknown speaker insignificant, especially compared to
  811. 1:11:29 Unknown speaker what we had two just two years ago. So,
  812. 1:11:31 Unknown speaker thank you. um to both of you and the
  813. 1:11:33 Unknown speaker whole team behind behind this. Um I had
  814. 1:11:36 Unknown speaker a question. So
  815. 1:11:38 Unknown speaker on the demographics on an age
  816. 1:11:39 Unknown speaker standpoint, can you remind me what the
  817. 1:11:40 Unknown speaker average age of Longmont is?
  818. 1:11:43 Unknown speaker The average age is 40. Your mic is not
  819. 1:11:45 Unknown speaker on anymore,
  820. 1:11:46 Unknown speaker but if you try to unplug it and plug it
  821. 1:11:48 Unknown speaker back in.
  822. 1:11:48 Unknown speaker No, I'm good. I I intentionally turned
  823. 1:11:50 Unknown speaker it on. Um so according to the 2024 ACS
  824. 1:11:53 Unknown speaker community profile, the a mean age in
  825. 1:11:56 Unknown speaker Longmont is 40.
  826. 1:11:58 Unknown speaker Great. Um and then maybe maybe we have a
  827. 1:12:00 Unknown speaker chart on this. I I believe I saw that.
  828. 1:12:02 Unknown speaker I'm just pulling up my notes again. Um
  829. 1:12:04 Unknown speaker my understanding is that the the sub
  830. 1:12:07 Unknown speaker basically the the percentage of people
  831. 1:12:08 Unknown speaker that respond to this the survey doesn't
  832. 1:12:11 Unknown speaker fully uh represent maybe the the below
  833. 1:12:14 Unknown speaker average age of Longmont crew. Um am I
  834. 1:12:17 Unknown speaker correct based on the data there?
  835. 1:12:18 Unknown speaker Yes.
  836. 1:12:19 Unknown speaker Yeah. Um I think it was like a third
  837. 1:12:21 Unknown speaker basically of the respondents were below
  838. 1:12:23 Unknown speaker the average age of Longmont, which
  839. 1:12:24 Unknown speaker wouldn't be the way you would do an
  840. 1:12:26 Unknown speaker average. So I'm just trying to take that
  841. 1:12:28 Unknown speaker with with the relevant the the helpful
  842. 1:12:31 Unknown speaker uh note that that is um when we when
  843. 1:12:35 Unknown speaker people were talking about oh where did
  844. 1:12:38 Unknown speaker that go?
  845. 1:12:43 Unknown speaker Um about safety. Can we throw that slide
  846. 1:12:45 Unknown speaker up one more time? We we breezed through
  847. 1:12:46 Unknown speaker that pretty quickly and I just wanted to
  848. 1:12:48 Unknown speaker look because it was the it was the
  849. 1:12:49 Unknown speaker safety results particularly at night I
  850. 1:12:51 Unknown speaker think not just in Longmont overall but
  851. 1:12:52 Unknown speaker also in the downtown
  852. 1:13:01 Unknown speaker I think so uh yes
  853. 1:13:03 Unknown speaker we have this one and we have the
  854. 1:13:04 Unknown speaker overtime
  855. 1:13:06 Unknown speaker yeah let's go back to the other one
  856. 1:13:07 Unknown speaker great so yeah I guess the last two on
  857. 1:13:10 Unknown speaker this slide are showing the safety
  858. 1:13:11 Unknown speaker results for downtown Longmont at night
  859. 1:13:13 Unknown speaker and Longmont overall at night um is
  860. 1:13:15 Unknown speaker there any more detail that we have from
  861. 1:13:17 Unknown speaker comments that were submitted that speak
  862. 1:13:18 Unknown speaker to more specific feedback on kind of
  863. 1:13:21 Unknown speaker overall nighttime safety.
  864. 1:13:22 Unknown speaker We can probably look into that and
  865. 1:13:24 Unknown speaker provide you a summary um in what did you
  866. 1:13:28 Unknown speaker call it again?
  867. 1:13:28 Unknown speaker Info item.
  868. 1:13:29 Unknown speaker An info item. Yes.
  869. 1:13:31 Unknown speaker Great. Um and then any chance we have I
  870. 1:13:32 Unknown speaker know we're just getting the survey data
  871. 1:13:34 Unknown speaker kind of in and this is the first public
  872. 1:13:35 Unknown speaker presentation. Um have we or can we share
  873. 1:13:38 Unknown speaker this with the LDDA folks too just so
  874. 1:13:39 Unknown speaker they're aware of that context?
  875. 1:13:41 Unknown speaker Um
  876. 1:13:42 Unknown speaker we we have not but yes we can.
  877. 1:13:43 Unknown speaker Great. um and not not not to put it on
  878. 1:13:46 Unknown speaker their plate to solve entirely, just for
  879. 1:13:47 Unknown speaker overall situational awareness um as as
  880. 1:13:50 Unknown speaker we deal with that and as we also try to
  881. 1:13:51 Unknown speaker support kind of our downtown business
  882. 1:13:53 Unknown speaker community as well and the safety that is
  883. 1:13:55 Unknown speaker perceived um and real around that. Um I
  884. 1:13:58 Unknown speaker appreciate that. I I think this is a
  885. 1:14:00 Unknown speaker very useful indicator of kind of some
  886. 1:14:01 Unknown speaker priorities of of how we might want to
  887. 1:14:03 Unknown speaker start thinking about this and and where
  888. 1:14:05 Unknown speaker we direct resources. So that's really
  889. 1:14:06 Unknown speaker helpful. Appreciate it. Yeah.
  890. 1:14:09 Unknown speaker Great.
  891. 1:14:10 Unknown speaker Council member Christ.
  892. 1:14:14 Unknown speaker Oh, thank you, mayor. Um, first I want
  893. 1:14:17 Unknown speaker to commend you and getting um a much
  894. 1:14:20 Unknown speaker broader participation from all
  895. 1:14:24 Unknown speaker um age groups. I think when you put up
  896. 1:14:26 Unknown speaker the 2024 or 2025 to 2026 comparison,
  897. 1:14:32 Unknown speaker and I guess that would be 24 to 25, it
  898. 1:14:35 Unknown speaker really showed that.
  899. 1:14:36 Unknown speaker Can you show that on the screen?
  900. 1:14:37 Unknown speaker Yeah, a lot of the um let's see which
  901. 1:14:39 Unknown speaker one would that be?
  902. 1:14:44 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  903. 1:14:46 Unknown speaker this one.
  904. 1:14:48 Unknown speaker No, no, it was um side by side the the
  905. 1:14:51 Unknown speaker last customer or Yeah. customer survey
  906. 1:14:53 Unknown speaker that we did versus the one we have now.
  907. 1:14:56 Unknown speaker And
  908. 1:15:00 Unknown speaker it was about problems. Um
  909. 1:15:02 Unknown speaker yeah,
  910. 1:15:03 Unknown speaker the housing what? Oh,
  911. 1:15:05 Unknown speaker okay. Got it. Yes.
  912. 1:15:09 Unknown speaker I'm sorry. I should have written down
  913. 1:15:11 Unknown speaker the page number. Yeah.
  914. 1:15:12 Unknown speaker Um,
  915. 1:15:15 Unknown speaker yeah, there we go. It really shows how
  916. 1:15:18 Unknown speaker important it is to have a good um broad
  917. 1:15:21 Unknown speaker um demographic because the problem with
  918. 1:15:23 Unknown speaker the 2024 is it was it was um
  919. 1:15:26 Unknown speaker significantly over the average age. So,
  920. 1:15:29 Unknown speaker um some of these problems didn't apply
  921. 1:15:32 Unknown speaker to that age group, but they do. It was
  922. 1:15:34 Unknown speaker kind of interesting when you look at
  923. 1:15:36 Unknown speaker 2026, it's almost a third, a third, and
  924. 1:15:38 Unknown speaker a third if you add in the the two other
  925. 1:15:40 Unknown speaker columns. most of the way down except for
  926. 1:15:43 Unknown speaker finding a job or better paying job and
  927. 1:15:46 Unknown speaker finding housing you can afford are
  928. 1:15:48 Unknown speaker pretty highly rated as not applicable.
  929. 1:15:51 Unknown speaker So that is helpful. Also, I did uh want
  930. 1:15:55 Unknown speaker to look at um on page or on slide 34
  931. 1:16:02 Unknown speaker you mentioned a couple of trends, the
  932. 1:16:04 Unknown speaker crime and the the drugs that were down.
  933. 1:16:07 Unknown speaker Although the drugs seem to be leveling
  934. 1:16:08 Unknown speaker off, but I was a little concerned at the
  935. 1:16:11 Unknown speaker um apricot one that says 85% rundown
  936. 1:16:14 Unknown speaker buildings as a concern and it's upward
  937. 1:16:17 Unknown speaker trending.
  938. 1:16:19 Unknown speaker It's a concern for me, too.
  939. 1:16:21 Unknown speaker Yeah. All right, thank you so much and
  940. 1:16:24 Unknown speaker the colorful graphics are great and
  941. 1:16:28 Unknown speaker yeah. Yeah, I think this will be very
  942. 1:16:30 Unknown speaker helpful helping us with our priorities
  943. 1:16:32 Unknown speaker throughout the year. So, appreciate your
  944. 1:16:34 Unknown speaker work, Gals.
  945. 1:16:35 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Marcen.
  946. 1:16:37 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I really just wanted
  947. 1:16:38 Unknown speaker to offer a thank you and a compliment to
  948. 1:16:40 Unknown speaker staff. I I sat I think right back there
  949. 1:16:43 Unknown speaker uh the last time that this survey was in
  950. 1:16:44 Unknown speaker front of council and I remember having a
  951. 1:16:46 Unknown speaker conversation with with Becky at the time
  952. 1:16:48 Unknown speaker about this data is not good data. Like
  953. 1:16:51 Unknown speaker as a candidate for this office, I had a
  954. 1:16:53 Unknown speaker very hard time looking at this survey
  955. 1:16:55 Unknown speaker and saying that this was something that
  956. 1:16:56 Unknown speaker I could reasonably rely on as an
  957. 1:16:58 Unknown speaker indicator [clears throat] of where the
  958. 1:16:59 Unknown speaker community was at. This survey I feel so
  959. 1:17:01 Unknown speaker much better about just in terms of um
  960. 1:17:04 Unknown speaker understanding where we're at from a data
  961. 1:17:06 Unknown speaker and sampling perspective. What was
  962. 1:17:07 Unknown speaker interesting to me was that the results
  963. 1:17:10 Unknown speaker are not wildly different, but the
  964. 1:17:13 Unknown speaker sampling is certainly better. So I feel
  965. 1:17:14 Unknown speaker much more confident in kind of basing
  966. 1:17:16 Unknown speaker some of my assumptions around this. So
  967. 1:17:17 Unknown speaker no real questions. I just think this was
  968. 1:17:19 Unknown speaker an opportunity for us as a staff and a
  969. 1:17:21 Unknown speaker community to recognize that we can do
  970. 1:17:23 Unknown speaker things pretty well around here. So,
  971. 1:17:24 Unknown speaker thank you for your work and I just
  972. 1:17:25 Unknown speaker wanted to say that and uh yeah, good
  973. 1:17:28 Unknown speaker stuff. Thank you.
  974. 1:17:29 Unknown speaker Thanks.
  975. 1:17:31 Unknown speaker And yeah, I was looking at the the
  976. 1:17:33 Unknown speaker demographics. It it does align with this
  977. 1:17:36 Unknown speaker the sample. It seems like it's closer
  978. 1:17:39 Unknown speaker aligned with what our community
  979. 1:17:41 Unknown speaker demographics are. So, yeah. So, I I look
  980. 1:17:45 Unknown speaker at that, but then I wonder when we look
  981. 1:17:47 Unknown speaker at the 2024 comparison to 2026, is are
  982. 1:17:51 Unknown speaker those changes the sign of our times or
  983. 1:17:54 Unknown speaker was it because we had a different I
  984. 1:17:56 Unknown speaker mean, or could be a little bit of both,
  985. 1:17:58 Unknown speaker but you know, just a different sampling.
  986. 1:18:00 Unknown speaker We had predominantly white older um
  987. 1:18:04 Unknown speaker homeowners that filled out the survey
  988. 1:18:08 Unknown speaker and I think was it even male? was I
  989. 1:18:10 Unknown speaker can't remember gender- wise. It might
  990. 1:18:12 Unknown speaker have been a mix, but I I know it was
  991. 1:18:15 Unknown speaker more upper middle class.
  992. 1:18:18 Unknown speaker So, this I felt like, okay, this is a
  993. 1:18:20 Unknown speaker reflective of of truly reflective of
  994. 1:18:22 Unknown speaker families, different different um
  995. 1:18:24 Unknown speaker demographic, ethnicity, um socioeconomic
  996. 1:18:28 Unknown speaker status. So, I think for me it it just
  997. 1:18:32 Unknown speaker carries more weight in my in my mind as
  998. 1:18:34 Unknown speaker I I start making decisions moving
  999. 1:18:36 Unknown speaker forward. So, I do appreciate that. Um,
  1000. 1:18:39 Unknown speaker were you going to say something?
  1001. 1:18:40 Unknown speaker I was just saying that that that's your
  1002. 1:18:42 Unknown speaker comment that Anna doesn't have to go
  1003. 1:18:44 Unknown speaker into detail.
  1004. 1:18:45 Unknown speaker Oh, [laughter] yeah.
  1005. 1:18:46 Unknown speaker Question.
  1006. 1:18:47 Unknown speaker Okay, perfect. Um, Council Member
  1007. 1:18:49 Unknown speaker Kuffer, thank you.
  1008. 1:18:51 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I also want to echo my
  1009. 1:18:53 Unknown speaker thank yous. Um, great job collecting
  1010. 1:18:55 Unknown speaker more data. What What lessons did you all
  1011. 1:18:58 Unknown speaker learn from this round of the survey and
  1012. 1:19:00 Unknown speaker that you're going to take to the next
  1013. 1:19:02 Unknown speaker survey? How are we going to continue
  1014. 1:19:04 Unknown speaker this great progress that you've made
  1015. 1:19:06 Unknown speaker with this one for the next one?
  1016. 1:19:10 Unknown speaker I can. Yes. So, we were just discussing
  1017. 1:19:13 Unknown speaker this a few moments ago. You know, our
  1018. 1:19:15 Unknown speaker lessons learned. We have a document we
  1019. 1:19:16 Unknown speaker started from the moment we started this
  1020. 1:19:18 Unknown speaker survey. Um
  1021. 1:19:21 Unknown speaker the level of effort whether it's time,
  1022. 1:19:24 Unknown speaker resources, staff, other staff time was
  1023. 1:19:28 Unknown speaker so much higher than we originally
  1024. 1:19:30 Unknown speaker anticipated because mailing to a a set
  1025. 1:19:34 Unknown speaker um address list and then just waiting
  1026. 1:19:36 Unknown speaker for responses to come back in is a whole
  1027. 1:19:38 Unknown speaker lot different than actively um
  1028. 1:19:41 Unknown speaker outreaching and actively like knocking
  1029. 1:19:44 Unknown speaker not knocking on doors necessarily, but
  1030. 1:19:45 Unknown speaker the equivalent, right? um consistently
  1031. 1:19:48 Unknown speaker reaching out to the different
  1032. 1:19:49 Unknown speaker communities. They may that may not
  1033. 1:19:51 Unknown speaker necessarily respond to an email or may
  1034. 1:19:53 Unknown speaker not necessarily respond to a social
  1035. 1:19:55 Unknown speaker media post. So that is one big one. And
  1036. 1:19:59 Unknown speaker so figuring out how we're going to
  1037. 1:20:01 Unknown speaker resource this project in the future so
  1038. 1:20:03 Unknown speaker that we can maintain this level of um of
  1039. 1:20:06 Unknown speaker diversity in our sample set and increase
  1040. 1:20:08 Unknown speaker our participation um is definitely a big
  1041. 1:20:11 Unknown speaker one.
  1042. 1:20:15 Unknown speaker Yeah. Um, and if I can add as well, um,
  1043. 1:20:17 Unknown speaker just, uh, another shout out to Adriana
  1044. 1:20:20 Unknown speaker Perea's, um, cultural brokers work, that
  1045. 1:20:23 Unknown speaker that effort almost single-handedly
  1046. 1:20:25 Unknown speaker shifted the demographics that we were
  1047. 1:20:27 Unknown speaker seeing. Um, so I I think it's one of
  1048. 1:20:29 Unknown speaker those components that that can we look
  1049. 1:20:32 Unknown speaker at the entirety of the survey and the
  1050. 1:20:35 Unknown speaker goals and and really um, support these
  1051. 1:20:38 Unknown speaker efforts in new ways going forward. Um,
  1052. 1:20:40 Unknown speaker there are a lot more ideas coming out of
  1053. 1:20:41 Unknown speaker that effort. So, I think we've got we've
  1054. 1:20:44 Unknown speaker seen some we've seen some progress. We
  1055. 1:20:45 Unknown speaker know some of the levers that we have and
  1056. 1:20:47 Unknown speaker and some of the opportunities that we
  1057. 1:20:49 Unknown speaker have and then just continuing to take
  1058. 1:20:51 Unknown speaker advantage of them and going through our
  1059. 1:20:52 Unknown speaker lessons learned for sure.
  1060. 1:20:55 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you,
  1061. 1:20:59 Unknown speaker Mayor. I would be remiss if I didn't
  1062. 1:21:00 Unknown speaker just mention that this whole project
  1063. 1:21:01 Unknown speaker started under Becky Doyle's direction.
  1064. 1:21:03 Unknown speaker So, I would offer thanks to her as well.
  1065. 1:21:06 Unknown speaker Thank you, Becky.
  1066. 1:21:07 Unknown speaker Thank you all.
  1067. 1:21:07 Unknown speaker Way in the back. Um, okay. We are now on
  1068. 1:21:11 Unknown speaker first call public invited to be heard.
  1069. 1:21:14 Unknown speaker Um and remember you have three minutes
  1070. 1:21:16 Unknown speaker and please state your name uh when you
  1071. 1:21:19 Unknown speaker come to the um podium. So the first
  1072. 1:21:22 Unknown speaker person on the list is Phillip. Um and if
  1073. 1:21:26 Unknown speaker you could repeat your name B last name
  1074. 1:21:28 Unknown speaker when you come in. I couldn't tell if
  1075. 1:21:29 Unknown speaker it's a D in the middle there or C L.
  1076. 1:21:35 Unknown speaker Oh and put on your mic please.
  1077. 1:21:38 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  1078. 1:21:38 Unknown speaker Phillip. Philip Dlo. Yeah. So, um I
  1079. 1:21:42 Unknown speaker signed up for item number 10 because I'm
  1080. 1:21:45 Unknown speaker not a resident of city of Longmont. So,
  1081. 1:21:48 Unknown speaker yeah. You know what? I'm gonna have it
  1082. 1:21:49 Unknown speaker actually have you come back and speak at
  1083. 1:21:51 Unknown speaker um
  1084. 1:21:52 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1085. 1:21:52 Unknown speaker Yeah. since we'll have a public hearing
  1086. 1:21:55 Unknown speaker here. Thank you. Um Linda Lee.
  1087. 1:22:06 Unknown speaker My name is Linda Lee. Good evening,
  1088. 1:22:08 Unknown speaker mayor, city council members, and the
  1089. 1:22:11 Unknown speaker residents of Longmont and Boulder
  1090. 1:22:12 Unknown speaker County. I guess I come before you today,
  1091. 1:22:15 Unknown speaker November 3rd, election day, because I
  1092. 1:22:17 Unknown speaker thought it was appropriate to remind you
  1093. 1:22:19 Unknown speaker that you were elected by the people for
  1094. 1:22:22 Unknown speaker the people, not for the staff of
  1095. 1:22:24 Unknown speaker Longmont. For those who are unaware, my
  1096. 1:22:27 Unknown speaker family has been one of the parties
  1097. 1:22:28 Unknown speaker standing against the smart meters
  1098. 1:22:30 Unknown speaker because I have brothers with deep brain
  1099. 1:22:32 Unknown speaker stimulators with metal in them. There
  1100. 1:22:35 Unknown speaker have been studies that show that if you
  1101. 1:22:36 Unknown speaker have metal in your body or other
  1102. 1:22:38 Unknown speaker conditions, your body could react to
  1103. 1:22:40 Unknown speaker them and in some cases put people's
  1104. 1:22:42 Unknown speaker lives at risk. Several of us came to you
  1105. 1:22:45 Unknown speaker July 29th, 2025 and a few times since,
  1106. 1:22:48 Unknown speaker pleading that you create an analog opt
  1107. 1:22:51 Unknown speaker out option for those with medical
  1108. 1:22:52 Unknown speaker conditions. At the end of the July 2025
  1109. 1:22:56 Unknown speaker open forum, Diane Christ mentioned
  1110. 1:22:58 Unknown speaker discussing a medical variance option. We
  1111. 1:23:01 Unknown speaker trusted you. We believed you and you
  1112. 1:23:05 Unknown speaker were working on that option. You let us
  1113. 1:23:07 Unknown speaker down on October 21st, three 13 days ago
  1114. 1:23:11 Unknown speaker when like thieves in the night, you sent
  1115. 1:23:13 Unknown speaker the city of Longmont, Longmont police as
  1116. 1:23:16 Unknown speaker backup. And like the cowards they are,
  1117. 1:23:19 Unknown speaker they were not even going to knock on the
  1118. 1:23:20 Unknown speaker doors and let us know what they were
  1119. 1:23:22 Unknown speaker doing. One employee was even fully face
  1120. 1:23:25 Unknown speaker masked. They sent them to everybody's
  1121. 1:23:28 Unknown speaker home that still had an analog meteor,
  1122. 1:23:30 Unknown speaker including my 86-year-old mother who has
  1123. 1:23:32 Unknown speaker a disabled son. My youngest brother
  1124. 1:23:35 Unknown speaker passed away on July 23rd of this year.
  1125. 1:23:38 Unknown speaker And I believe he started deteriorating
  1126. 1:23:40 Unknown speaker and declining after your roll out of
  1127. 1:23:42 Unknown speaker smart meters in our subdivision.
  1128. 1:23:44 Unknown speaker However, I can't prove it, but the
  1129. 1:23:47 Unknown speaker timing suggests that strong correlation.
  1130. 1:23:49 Unknown speaker This now puts my other brother at risk.
  1131. 1:23:53 Unknown speaker Longmont Power Company says, "Trust our
  1132. 1:23:55 Unknown speaker reassurances. There's nothing wrong with
  1133. 1:23:57 Unknown speaker smart meters. They won't cause any ill
  1134. 1:23:59 Unknown speaker effects. However, they said the same
  1135. 1:24:01 Unknown speaker thing about POS forever chemicals. Now,
  1136. 1:24:04 Unknown speaker there are farmers losing their
  1137. 1:24:06 Unknown speaker livelihoods because their land has been
  1138. 1:24:07 Unknown speaker poisoned from this. What about
  1139. 1:24:10 Unknown speaker asbestous? How many years did it take
  1140. 1:24:12 Unknown speaker before they finally discovered that it
  1141. 1:24:14 Unknown speaker caused cancer? Leadbased paint in homes
  1142. 1:24:17 Unknown speaker took decades to recognize and deal with.
  1143. 1:24:20 Unknown speaker Mercury poisoning, tobacco, and lately
  1144. 1:24:23 Unknown speaker our foods. The list goes on, but these
  1145. 1:24:25 Unknown speaker are our few. In 10 years, will we be
  1146. 1:24:27 Unknown speaker saying the same thing about smart meters
  1147. 1:24:29 Unknown speaker and the effect they have had on people
  1148. 1:24:31 Unknown speaker and animals. You, as city council, do
  1149. 1:24:35 Unknown speaker have the power, like Zoe Galloway said
  1150. 1:24:37 Unknown speaker last week. You have the power to revise
  1151. 1:24:39 Unknown speaker the ordinance so that people facing
  1152. 1:24:41 Unknown speaker health issues can maintain their analog
  1153. 1:24:43 Unknown speaker meters without hostility and extortion.
  1154. 1:24:47 Unknown speaker Why do you continue to ignore emails and
  1155. 1:24:49 Unknown speaker phone calls from your constituents
  1156. 1:24:51 Unknown speaker regarding what was done? Once again, on
  1157. 1:24:54 Unknown speaker this election day, remember you were
  1158. 1:24:56 Unknown speaker elected by the people of Longmont to
  1159. 1:24:58 Unknown speaker represent the people of Longmont. And I,
  1160. 1:25:00 Unknown speaker for one, would like to know answers as
  1161. 1:25:02 Unknown speaker to why you choose to ignore us. Those
  1162. 1:25:05 Unknown speaker that stay silent are complicit.
  1163. 1:25:08 Unknown speaker Thank you, Charles Schilling.
  1164. 1:25:27 Unknown speaker Turn on, Charlie.
  1165. 1:25:28 Unknown speaker Can you turn on your mic? Yeah.
  1166. 1:25:31 Unknown speaker Thank you. Hello. I'm Charles Schilling.
  1167. 1:25:34 Unknown speaker I live at 224 224 Francis Street.
  1168. 1:25:38 Unknown speaker Um, good to see you all.
  1169. 1:25:41 Unknown speaker So, [clears throat] I've been watching
  1170. 1:25:42 Unknown speaker the city surveys for years since I moved
  1171. 1:25:46 Unknown speaker here and then studying back for 20
  1172. 1:25:48 Unknown speaker years. And, you know, I've I get
  1173. 1:25:50 Unknown speaker surveys, some people like them, some
  1174. 1:25:51 Unknown speaker people don't, but this one, as you were
  1175. 1:25:54 Unknown speaker saying, is is really different. It's
  1176. 1:25:56 Unknown speaker it's they've done a great job increasing
  1177. 1:25:58 Unknown speaker the sample size and making it more more
  1178. 1:26:00 Unknown speaker representative. Um, yet the patterns you
  1179. 1:26:04 Unknown speaker see there over the last 20 years are
  1180. 1:26:05 Unknown speaker pretty darn consistent. I think uh
  1181. 1:26:08 Unknown speaker Councilman Marsing pointed that out, but
  1182. 1:26:11 Unknown speaker you know, it's it's good to see a more
  1183. 1:26:13 Unknown speaker statistically significant and a serious
  1184. 1:26:16 Unknown speaker survey. You know, people love to live
  1185. 1:26:18 Unknown speaker here. It's a great place to live, work,
  1186. 1:26:19 Unknown speaker raise children. People like the parks,
  1187. 1:26:21 Unknown speaker recreation, neighborhoods, all of that.
  1188. 1:26:25 Unknown speaker Um,
  1189. 1:26:28 Unknown speaker so
  1190. 1:26:29 Unknown speaker please take this survey more
  1191. 1:26:31 Unknown speaker [clears throat] seriously than I've seen
  1192. 1:26:33 Unknown speaker council take in the past. I think a lot
  1193. 1:26:35 Unknown speaker of there's been some selective bias on
  1194. 1:26:38 Unknown speaker which parts of the survey are really
  1195. 1:26:40 Unknown speaker paid attention to. Um, so what I see is
  1196. 1:26:44 Unknown speaker the policy priorities
  1197. 1:26:46 Unknown speaker [clears throat] and initiatives of the
  1198. 1:26:48 Unknown speaker city are really focused on more housing.
  1199. 1:26:50 Unknown speaker There's lots more there, but I see a lot
  1200. 1:26:52 Unknown speaker of growth initiatives. Yet, the surveys
  1201. 1:26:55 Unknown speaker continue to show concern for growth. Uh,
  1202. 1:26:58 Unknown speaker and that's been the case for 20 years.
  1203. 1:27:00 Unknown speaker And now here we are with a survey that's
  1204. 1:27:02 Unknown speaker more statistically significant and has
  1205. 1:27:04 Unknown speaker more representation and what is it 70%
  1206. 1:27:08 Unknown speaker show
  1207. 1:27:10 Unknown speaker uh growth is either too fast or
  1208. 1:27:13 Unknown speaker moderately too fast. So significantly
  1209. 1:27:16 Unknown speaker showing up as you know what are we doing
  1210. 1:27:18 Unknown speaker here and I'm not no growthing I know we
  1211. 1:27:21 Unknown speaker need counsing but I really don't see in
  1212. 1:27:24 Unknown speaker policies or any discussion about okay
  1213. 1:27:27 Unknown speaker hold it we want to do this but how do we
  1214. 1:27:29 Unknown speaker factor in the fact that our community in
  1215. 1:27:33 Unknown speaker large if we believe this survey is
  1216. 1:27:34 Unknown speaker saying we're growing too fast housing
  1217. 1:27:37 Unknown speaker and population and again I'm not saying
  1218. 1:27:40 Unknown speaker we shouldn't do that but I don't see any
  1219. 1:27:42 Unknown speaker discussion up here maybe you're thinking
  1220. 1:27:45 Unknown speaker But I've been watching you guys for
  1221. 1:27:46 Unknown speaker years and it's all grow grow and not a
  1222. 1:27:49 Unknown speaker lot of okay, what are we doing about
  1223. 1:27:50 Unknown speaker quality of life and what are you doing
  1224. 1:27:52 Unknown speaker about maintaining the city so that you
  1225. 1:27:55 Unknown speaker know we can hold on to what people
  1226. 1:27:57 Unknown speaker really love here. So what I'm asking you
  1227. 1:27:59 Unknown speaker is as we move forward take a look at the
  1228. 1:28:02 Unknown speaker survey a little more carefully than it
  1229. 1:28:04 Unknown speaker has been looked at in the past and
  1230. 1:28:07 Unknown speaker consider this. We pay a ton of money for
  1231. 1:28:08 Unknown speaker this. I think in the past it was 35
  1232. 1:28:10 Unknown speaker grand a year. Who knows what we pay now?
  1233. 1:28:12 Unknown speaker It's brought inside. I support surveys.
  1234. 1:28:15 Unknown speaker I'm just saying it's a lot of money. If
  1235. 1:28:16 Unknown speaker you're not going to pay attention to it
  1236. 1:28:18 Unknown speaker or you're going to cherrypick it, forget
  1237. 1:28:19 Unknown speaker it and just go back to the farmers
  1238. 1:28:21 Unknown speaker market or wherever you're collecting
  1239. 1:28:22 Unknown speaker your survey data and [snorts] make your
  1240. 1:28:25 Unknown speaker decisions for yourself. But look at this
  1241. 1:28:27 Unknown speaker survey, take it seriously, and I'd like
  1242. 1:28:29 Unknown speaker to see some action when when you're
  1243. 1:28:30 Unknown speaker making decisions on this survey. Thank
  1244. 1:28:33 Unknown speaker you.
  1245. 1:28:33 Unknown speaker Uhhuh. Thank you, Lance Whitaker.
  1246. 1:28:49 Unknown speaker Bing. Look, no folder today. It was
  1247. 1:28:52 Unknown speaker easy. I could memorize it. Um, but I do
  1248. 1:28:55 Unknown speaker still have a complaint.
  1249. 1:28:58 Unknown speaker Um, the leaves again. So, I got my
  1250. 1:29:02 Unknown speaker leaves out before the 30th, before the
  1251. 1:29:05 Unknown speaker date, and they picked up four out of six
  1252. 1:29:09 Unknown speaker bags and left two. So, I figured, all
  1253. 1:29:12 Unknown speaker right, well, they're going to come back,
  1254. 1:29:13 Unknown speaker and they'll pick them up. They didn't
  1255. 1:29:16 Unknown speaker come back and pick them up. I put more
  1256. 1:29:17 Unknown speaker out there, and they still didn't come
  1257. 1:29:19 Unknown speaker pick them up. So, now we're late and all
  1258. 1:29:22 Unknown speaker the leaves are still on the trees, and
  1259. 1:29:25 Unknown speaker now I got bags in my street. Maybe we
  1260. 1:29:28 Unknown speaker can do something about that.
  1261. 1:29:30 Unknown speaker Um, I like the survey. It was very
  1262. 1:29:33 Unknown speaker informative. As you can see, we're
  1263. 1:29:35 Unknown speaker growing too much and not have enough
  1264. 1:29:38 Unknown speaker jobs.
  1265. 1:29:39 Unknown speaker So, maybe we can do a little switch
  1266. 1:29:42 Unknown speaker around and get some jobs in here and
  1267. 1:29:44 Unknown speaker stop building so many apartments. And
  1268. 1:29:47 Unknown speaker today's National Day, which is
  1269. 1:29:49 Unknown speaker everybody's hot topic today. It's easy.
  1270. 1:29:52 Unknown speaker It's National Sandwich Day and Housewife
  1271. 1:29:55 Unknown speaker Day. Sort of funny that the housewives
  1272. 1:29:58 Unknown speaker make the sandwiches.
  1273. 1:30:01 Unknown speaker Have a good day.
  1274. 1:30:02 Unknown speaker Thank you, Scott Stewart.
  1275. 1:30:11 Unknown speaker Mayor, members of council, Scott
  1276. 1:30:12 Unknown speaker Stewart, 229 Grant Street. How you all
  1277. 1:30:15 Unknown speaker doing tonight?
  1278. 1:30:17 Unknown speaker Um, I've been following along with the
  1279. 1:30:20 Unknown speaker uh with the budget process for for quite
  1280. 1:30:23 Unknown speaker some time now. not just this one but
  1281. 1:30:25 Unknown speaker years past or what have you. Um
  1282. 1:30:28 Unknown speaker significant uh thing happened in uh um
  1283. 1:30:32 Unknown speaker 2017
  1284. 1:30:33 Unknown speaker was actually the last time the airport
  1285. 1:30:35 Unknown speaker fade paid its full administrative
  1286. 1:30:37 Unknown speaker transfer of fee.
  1287. 1:30:39 Unknown speaker It's possible they just didn't do it. I
  1288. 1:30:42 Unknown speaker did get a uh email from my um word
  1289. 1:30:45 Unknown speaker representative saying we're actually um
  1290. 1:30:47 Unknown speaker working on that. We're getting uh
  1291. 1:30:50 Unknown speaker over the next three years we're uh
  1292. 1:30:52 Unknown speaker phasing out of that um scenario where
  1293. 1:30:56 Unknown speaker we're uh where the airport's going to be
  1294. 1:30:57 Unknown speaker able to start paying its uh its full
  1295. 1:30:59 Unknown speaker way. Um just like to read to you a
  1296. 1:31:02 Unknown speaker little bit from the uh airport fees. Uh
  1297. 1:31:05 Unknown speaker this is from the 2026 budget. Fees and
  1298. 1:31:07 Unknown speaker charges will be reviewed annually to
  1299. 1:31:09 Unknown speaker determine if all operating expenditures
  1300. 1:31:12 Unknown speaker are recovered. Why are we still
  1301. 1:31:15 Unknown speaker subsidizing this if our policies state
  1302. 1:31:19 Unknown speaker they'll be reviewed annually? I mean, I
  1303. 1:31:22 Unknown speaker I don't think it's fair that the
  1304. 1:31:25 Unknown speaker management comes to you at the last
  1305. 1:31:28 Unknown speaker minute and tells you we need a we need a
  1306. 1:31:31 Unknown speaker 50% discount on this fee. We're talking
  1307. 1:31:33 Unknown speaker about I mean, we we we over time we went
  1308. 1:31:38 Unknown speaker over well over a half million dollars on
  1309. 1:31:40 Unknown speaker this years ago. Um, sanitation. Just saw
  1310. 1:31:43 Unknown speaker sanitation the other day. Um, raising
  1311. 1:31:46 Unknown speaker fees. They're a non um non- major
  1312. 1:31:51 Unknown speaker enterprise fund. Golf raise their fees.
  1313. 1:31:54 Unknown speaker Well, that that's done on an annual
  1314. 1:31:56 Unknown speaker basis and it's done year-over-year. Yet,
  1315. 1:31:59 Unknown speaker we've been given a discount since 18 to
  1316. 1:32:03 Unknown speaker the airport when it's supposed to review
  1317. 1:32:06 Unknown speaker its and adjust its fees accordingly. Um,
  1318. 1:32:11 Unknown speaker that's that's it. If if if we're going
  1319. 1:32:14 Unknown speaker to subsidize something, I mean, you guys
  1320. 1:32:16 Unknown speaker have discretionary funds. Take it out of
  1321. 1:32:18 Unknown speaker yours, take it out of Herald, something,
  1322. 1:32:20 Unknown speaker but don't take it out of the general
  1323. 1:32:21 Unknown speaker fund. Thanks.
  1324. 1:32:25 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, de uh Devin Falcons,
  1325. 1:32:30 Unknown speaker I'm also here for section 10.
  1326. 1:32:32 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we'll just hold you hold you
  1327. 1:32:33 Unknown speaker off for that one. Okay. So, seeing no
  1328. 1:32:36 Unknown speaker one on the list, I will now close.
  1329. 1:32:37 Unknown speaker public invited to be heard. And we are
  1330. 1:32:40 Unknown speaker now on to item nine, consent agenda and
  1331. 1:32:42 Unknown speaker introduction and reading by title of
  1332. 1:32:44 Unknown speaker first reading ordinances. Um, Elizabeth,
  1333. 1:32:46 Unknown speaker can you please read the consent agenda
  1334. 1:32:48 Unknown speaker into the record?
  1335. 1:32:50 Unknown speaker Absolutely, Mayor. The second reading
  1336. 1:32:52 Unknown speaker and public hearing for all ordinances
  1337. 1:32:54 Unknown speaker introduced on this consent agenda will
  1338. 1:32:56 Unknown speaker be held on November 17th, 2026, with the
  1339. 1:32:59 Unknown speaker exceptions of items 9B, which is
  1340. 1:33:01 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-78
  1341. 1:33:04 Unknown speaker regarding public improvement design
  1342. 1:33:06 Unknown speaker standards and ordinance 2026-79
  1343. 1:33:10 Unknown speaker regarding the 2026 National Electric
  1344. 1:33:13 Unknown speaker Code, which will both have second
  1345. 1:33:15 Unknown speaker reading and public hearing on December
  1346. 1:33:17 Unknown speaker 1st, 2026.
  1347. 1:33:19 Unknown speaker Item A is ordinance 2026-77.
  1348. 1:33:23 Unknown speaker This is a bill for an ordinance making
  1349. 1:33:25 Unknown speaker additional appropriations for expenses
  1350. 1:33:27 Unknown speaker and liabilities of the city of Longmont
  1351. 1:33:29 Unknown speaker for the fiscal year beginning January
  1352. 1:33:31 Unknown speaker 1st, 2026.
  1353. 1:33:34 Unknown speaker Item B is ordinance 2026-78,
  1354. 1:33:38 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance to enact by
  1355. 1:33:40 Unknown speaker reference the amended city of Longmont
  1356. 1:33:43 Unknown speaker public improvement design standards and
  1357. 1:33:45 Unknown speaker construction specifications section 300
  1358. 1:33:48 Unknown speaker details and dependencies and amend
  1359. 1:33:50 Unknown speaker section 15-05.070
  1360. 1:33:54 Unknown speaker C1E.
  1361. 1:33:56 Unknown speaker Item C is ordinance 2026-79,
  1362. 1:34:00 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance repealing and
  1363. 1:34:03 Unknown speaker reenacting chapter 16.08 of the Longmont
  1364. 1:34:06 Unknown speaker Municipal Code to adopt by reference the
  1365. 1:34:09 Unknown speaker 2026 National Electrical Code. Item D is
  1366. 1:34:13 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-80,
  1367. 1:34:16 Unknown speaker a bill for an or for an ordinance
  1368. 1:34:18 Unknown speaker amending chapter 3.04 of the Longmont
  1369. 1:34:22 Unknown speaker Municipal Code on personnel roles. Item
  1370. 1:34:25 Unknown speaker E is resolution 2026-79,
  1371. 1:34:29 Unknown speaker a resolution of the Longmont City
  1372. 1:34:30 Unknown speaker Council appointing members of the board
  1373. 1:34:32 Unknown speaker of directors of the LFM Business
  1374. 1:34:35 Unknown speaker Improvement District.
  1375. 1:34:38 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have any council members
  1376. 1:34:40 Unknown speaker wanting to pull items? Okay. Seeing
  1377. 1:34:42 Unknown speaker none, can may I have a motion to approve
  1378. 1:34:45 Unknown speaker the consent agenda?
  1379. 1:34:46 Unknown speaker Okay. The motion has been made by Mayor
  1380. 1:34:48 Unknown speaker Prom. I'll go ahead and second that.
  1381. 1:34:52 Unknown speaker Um, so seeing no one in the queue, let's
  1382. 1:34:55 Unknown speaker go ahead and vote on the consent agenda.
  1383. 1:35:02 Unknown speaker That carries unanimously. Very good.
  1384. 1:35:04 Unknown speaker Thank you. And we are now on to item 10,
  1385. 1:35:08 Unknown speaker ordinances on second reading and public
  1386. 1:35:10 Unknown speaker hearings on any matter. Our first item
  1387. 1:35:13 Unknown speaker is actually
  1388. 1:35:15 Unknown speaker it's item B. So we've augmented that. So
  1389. 1:35:19 Unknown speaker B is now A. And this is um ordinance
  1390. 1:35:23 Unknown speaker 2026-74,
  1391. 1:35:25 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance conditionally
  1392. 1:35:27 Unknown speaker approving the vacation of public utility
  1393. 1:35:30 Unknown speaker easements generally located at 11 South
  1394. 1:35:32 Unknown speaker Main Street. Are there any questions
  1395. 1:35:34 Unknown speaker from council?
  1396. 1:35:36 Unknown speaker Okay, seeing none, I will now open the
  1397. 1:35:38 Unknown speaker public hearing on ordinance 2026-74.
  1398. 1:35:42 Unknown speaker Um there was no one signed up on the
  1399. 1:35:43 Unknown speaker list. Is there anyone in the audience
  1400. 1:35:45 Unknown speaker wishing to speak on this item? Okay,
  1401. 1:35:47 Unknown speaker seeing none, I will now close the public
  1402. 1:35:49 Unknown speaker hearing. May I have a motion to pass and
  1403. 1:35:51 Unknown speaker adopt ordinance 2026-74?
  1404. 1:35:53 Unknown speaker Second.
  1405. 1:35:54 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1406. 1:35:55 Unknown speaker It was at the same time. So, the motion
  1407. 1:35:58 Unknown speaker um to approve this ordinance was made by
  1408. 1:36:00 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom. Uh seconded by Council
  1409. 1:36:02 Unknown speaker Member Christ.
  1410. 1:36:05 Unknown speaker Okay. Seeing no one in the queue, we'll
  1411. 1:36:07 Unknown speaker go ahead and vote.
  1412. 1:36:11 Unknown speaker Oh, we lost it.
  1413. 1:36:28 Unknown speaker Okay. And that item carries unanimously.
  1414. 1:36:31 Unknown speaker We are now on to
  1415. 1:36:34 Unknown speaker item
  1416. 1:36:36 Unknown speaker B, which was listed as A. Me. Go back to
  1417. 1:36:40 Unknown speaker that page. And this is for um ordinance
  1418. 1:36:44 Unknown speaker 2026-73,
  1419. 1:36:46 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance approving the
  1420. 1:36:48 Unknown speaker concept plan amendment for a portion of
  1421. 1:36:51 Unknown speaker the Walmart retail center annexation at
  1422. 1:36:54 Unknown speaker phase two known as the Copper Peak
  1423. 1:36:56 Unknown speaker development, generally located at 2704
  1424. 1:37:00 Unknown speaker Main Street, northeast of US Highway 66
  1425. 1:37:03 Unknown speaker and east of 28 US 287.
  1426. 1:37:09 Unknown speaker And do we have a presentation or
  1427. 1:37:10 Unknown speaker We do have a presentation. Good evening,
  1428. 1:37:12 Unknown speaker mayor and council. I am Kristen Cody, a
  1429. 1:37:14 Unknown speaker senior planner in planning and
  1430. 1:37:15 Unknown speaker development services. Tonight, for your
  1431. 1:37:18 Unknown speaker consideration, I will be presenting
  1432. 1:37:19 Unknown speaker several items in reference to this
  1433. 1:37:21 Unknown speaker generalized area. The first of which
  1434. 1:37:25 Unknown speaker is the copper peak at Longmont concept
  1435. 1:37:27 Unknown speaker plan amendment
  1436. 1:37:31 Unknown speaker which is generally located north of the
  1437. 1:37:34 Unknown speaker north Walmart and east of US 287.
  1438. 1:37:40 Unknown speaker So the property is generally located
  1439. 1:37:42 Unknown speaker north in the northeast corner of US 287
  1440. 1:37:44 Unknown speaker in Parkidge Avenue. It is approximately
  1441. 1:37:47 Unknown speaker 22.4 acres. Its existing zoning is
  1442. 1:37:50 Unknown speaker mixeduse regional center.
  1443. 1:37:52 Unknown speaker [clears throat] It is undeveloped
  1444. 1:37:53 Unknown speaker property currently. It is designated in
  1445. 1:37:57 Unknown speaker Envision Longmont as regional center and
  1446. 1:37:59 Unknown speaker was annexed into the city in 2004.
  1447. 1:38:03 Unknown speaker So the applicant requests approval of a
  1448. 1:38:05 Unknown speaker concept plan amendment for approximately
  1449. 1:38:07 Unknown speaker 22.4 acres located as previously
  1450. 1:38:10 Unknown speaker discussed. The amendment proposes an
  1451. 1:38:13 Unknown speaker increased residential mixeduse
  1452. 1:38:15 Unknown speaker development with RTD area which is being
  1453. 1:38:17 Unknown speaker proposed to be shifted commercial retail
  1454. 1:38:20 Unknown speaker uses and updated circulation and access
  1455. 1:38:22 Unknown speaker framework.
  1456. 1:38:25 Unknown speaker So the regional care center
  1457. 1:38:27 Unknown speaker characteristics in accordance with
  1458. 1:38:28 Unknown speaker envision Longmont include higher density
  1459. 1:38:30 Unknown speaker residential opportunities, transit
  1460. 1:38:33 Unknown speaker supportive development patterns and
  1461. 1:38:35 Unknown speaker regional serving commercial retail uses.
  1462. 1:38:37 Unknown speaker The regional center designation and
  1463. 1:38:39 Unknown speaker anticipates a mix of higher intensity
  1464. 1:38:42 Unknown speaker residential commercial employment and
  1465. 1:38:45 Unknown speaker transit supportive development near
  1466. 1:38:47 Unknown speaker major transportation corridors and
  1467. 1:38:49 Unknown speaker services.
  1468. 1:38:51 Unknown speaker In in accordance with the 2023 Longmont
  1469. 1:38:54 Unknown speaker um housing needs assessment, there is
  1470. 1:38:56 Unknown speaker been indicated approximately a 2100 unit
  1471. 1:38:59 Unknown speaker gap in affordable rental houses for
  1472. 1:39:01 Unknown speaker available for households that are below
  1473. 1:39:04 Unknown speaker the 50% AMI and it indicates additional
  1474. 1:39:07 Unknown speaker housing is needed to accommodate
  1475. 1:39:09 Unknown speaker population and economic growth.
  1476. 1:39:12 Unknown speaker The existing site conditions, this is
  1477. 1:39:14 Unknown speaker currently an undeveloped site. It is
  1478. 1:39:15 Unknown speaker zoned at mixeduse regional center, MUR.
  1479. 1:39:18 Unknown speaker Um, it's adjacent to an existing multif
  1480. 1:39:20 Unknown speaker family residential development. There is
  1481. 1:39:22 Unknown speaker commercial development to the south
  1482. 1:39:24 Unknown speaker which includes Walmart. It is located
  1483. 1:39:27 Unknown speaker along a major regional transportation
  1484. 1:39:28 Unknown speaker corridor and there is existing utility
  1485. 1:39:30 Unknown speaker infrastructure available nearby.
  1486. 1:39:33 Unknown speaker This is a a depiction of the property
  1487. 1:39:36 Unknown speaker looking at it from the east from US 287
  1488. 1:39:41 Unknown speaker currently undeveloped and you can see
  1489. 1:39:42 Unknown speaker the multi-family development east of
  1490. 1:39:45 Unknown speaker this property.
  1491. 1:39:47 Unknown speaker The concept plan amendment changes. So
  1492. 1:39:49 Unknown speaker the proposed amendment applies to the
  1493. 1:39:51 Unknown speaker remaining undeveloped portion of the
  1494. 1:39:53 Unknown speaker 2014 copper peak concept plan. It the
  1495. 1:39:57 Unknown speaker key some key components to set changes
  1496. 1:40:00 Unknown speaker are that it adds 15.1 acres of new
  1497. 1:40:02 Unknown speaker higher density residential development.
  1498. 1:40:04 Unknown speaker Reduces commercial retail area from 13.3
  1499. 1:40:07 Unknown speaker to 3.3 acres. relocates the RTD park and
  1500. 1:40:11 Unknown speaker ride to the northern portion of the site
  1501. 1:40:12 Unknown speaker to utilize the proposed signalized
  1502. 1:40:14 Unknown speaker intersection and updates the street
  1503. 1:40:17 Unknown speaker access framework and US 287 buffering.
  1504. 1:40:21 Unknown speaker This is a side-by-side depiction of the
  1505. 1:40:23 Unknown speaker existing concept plan and the proposed
  1506. 1:40:26 Unknown speaker concept plan which indicates the shift
  1507. 1:40:29 Unknown speaker from um retail to more higher density
  1508. 1:40:32 Unknown speaker residential and the movement from the
  1509. 1:40:34 Unknown speaker RTD area to the northern portion of this
  1510. 1:40:36 Unknown speaker property.
  1511. 1:40:39 Unknown speaker So this propo the proposed land uses as
  1512. 1:40:42 Unknown speaker per this concept plan include 15.1 acres
  1513. 1:40:44 Unknown speaker of higher density residential, 3.3 acres
  1514. 1:40:47 Unknown speaker commercial retail and 4 acres of RTD.
  1515. 1:40:51 Unknown speaker The RTD station is the proposed RTD
  1516. 1:40:54 Unknown speaker transant station is part of the Colorado
  1517. 1:40:56 Unknown speaker 119 bus rapid transit corridor project.
  1518. 1:40:59 Unknown speaker The station is intended to support the
  1519. 1:41:01 Unknown speaker diagonal flyer bus rapid transit system
  1520. 1:41:04 Unknown speaker led by RTD and its partners and with an
  1521. 1:41:08 Unknown speaker expect expected um begin date of in 2027
  1522. 1:41:14 Unknown speaker access and circulation. So this concept
  1523. 1:41:17 Unknown speaker plan amendment pro proposes signalized
  1524. 1:41:19 Unknown speaker access along 287 with potential right in
  1525. 1:41:22 Unknown speaker right out access parkridge avenue
  1526. 1:41:24 Unknown speaker connections and the internal circulation
  1527. 1:41:27 Unknown speaker framework and multimodal connectivity as
  1528. 1:41:30 Unknown speaker required um by long development code.
  1529. 1:41:34 Unknown speaker So there was a traffic analysis
  1530. 1:41:36 Unknown speaker completed [clears throat] in reference
  1531. 1:41:37 Unknown speaker to this application. They evaluated 2030
  1532. 1:41:40 Unknown speaker and 2050 conditions. There's some some
  1533. 1:41:44 Unknown speaker of the study conclusions included the
  1534. 1:41:45 Unknown speaker signalized access recommendation. Some
  1535. 1:41:48 Unknown speaker turn lane improvements were identified
  1536. 1:41:50 Unknown speaker and some operational improvements along
  1537. 1:41:52 Unknown speaker 287 were also identified. Detailed
  1538. 1:41:55 Unknown speaker transportation improvements and access
  1539. 1:41:58 Unknown speaker configuration will continue to be
  1540. 1:42:00 Unknown speaker evaluated through subsequent development
  1541. 1:42:02 Unknown speaker applications and engineering review.
  1542. 1:42:05 Unknown speaker Compatibility
  1543. 1:42:09 Unknown speaker compatibility and planning contest. So
  1544. 1:42:12 Unknown speaker this project is located adjacent to a
  1545. 1:42:14 Unknown speaker major regional transportation corridor
  1546. 1:42:17 Unknown speaker and existing multifamily residential.
  1547. 1:42:19 Unknown speaker The mixeduse regional center zoning
  1548. 1:42:22 Unknown speaker allows for higher density mixeduse
  1549. 1:42:23 Unknown speaker development. Regional center designation
  1550. 1:42:26 Unknown speaker identifies higher density residential as
  1551. 1:42:28 Unknown speaker a secondary use and retains commercial
  1552. 1:42:31 Unknown speaker retail and transit components.
  1553. 1:42:36 Unknown speaker As part of the application um the
  1554. 1:42:38 Unknown speaker applicant must complete the review for
  1555. 1:42:40 Unknown speaker criteria for all application types which
  1556. 1:42:43 Unknown speaker is listed here. Summary includes
  1557. 1:42:46 Unknown speaker consistency with the comp plan,
  1558. 1:42:48 Unknown speaker compliance with city services,
  1559. 1:42:49 Unknown speaker compatibility with surrounding
  1560. 1:42:51 Unknown speaker properties, impacts to surrounding
  1561. 1:42:53 Unknown speaker properties and an appropriate
  1562. 1:42:55 Unknown speaker transportation plan.
  1563. 1:42:58 Unknown speaker So this application was heard by the
  1564. 1:43:00 Unknown speaker planning commission on May 20th, 2026.
  1565. 1:43:04 Unknown speaker There were public comments regarding
  1566. 1:43:06 Unknown speaker concerns about the prairie dog habitat
  1567. 1:43:08 Unknown speaker and humane relocation. Um proposed
  1568. 1:43:11 Unknown speaker residential density and traffic.
  1569. 1:43:14 Unknown speaker Planning commission recommended approval
  1570. 1:43:16 Unknown speaker without condition based on compliance
  1571. 1:43:18 Unknown speaker with a review criteria with a vote of 5
  1572. 1:43:20 Unknown speaker to2.
  1573. 1:43:22 Unknown speaker As I said, there is extensive public
  1574. 1:43:24 Unknown speaker comment which primarily focused on the
  1575. 1:43:26 Unknown speaker prairie dog habitat and wildlife,
  1576. 1:43:28 Unknown speaker preservation of the existing prairie dog
  1577. 1:43:30 Unknown speaker colony, the importance of the habitat to
  1578. 1:43:33 Unknown speaker the community, and the interest in
  1579. 1:43:35 Unknown speaker humane relocation options, traffic and
  1580. 1:43:38 Unknown speaker transportation. Um comments were given
  1581. 1:43:41 Unknown speaker in regards to existing traffic
  1582. 1:43:42 Unknown speaker congestions, concern about additional
  1583. 1:43:44 Unknown speaker traffic generated uses and
  1584. 1:43:47 Unknown speaker transportation impacts to the
  1585. 1:43:48 Unknown speaker surrounding area and concerns were
  1586. 1:43:51 Unknown speaker expressed in reference to residential
  1587. 1:43:53 Unknown speaker density regarding the number of new
  1588. 1:43:54 Unknown speaker residential units and the intensity of
  1589. 1:43:57 Unknown speaker the development in the area.
  1590. 1:43:59 Unknown speaker At first council had first reading on
  1591. 1:44:02 Unknown speaker this application on October 6, 2026.
  1592. 1:44:05 Unknown speaker There was some discussion which focused
  1593. 1:44:07 Unknown speaker on housing mix and for sale housing
  1594. 1:44:09 Unknown speaker opportunities,
  1595. 1:44:11 Unknown speaker the secondary um use limit, commercial
  1596. 1:44:14 Unknown speaker and retail areas and the location of the
  1597. 1:44:16 Unknown speaker RTD park and ride. Um the city council
  1598. 1:44:19 Unknown speaker approved the ordinance to move forward
  1599. 1:44:21 Unknown speaker to second reading with a vote of 5 to2.
  1600. 1:44:25 Unknown speaker So the planning commission did recommend
  1601. 1:44:27 Unknown speaker with a vote of 5 to2 on May 20th 26 to
  1602. 1:44:30 Unknown speaker approve the Copper Peak concept plan
  1603. 1:44:32 Unknown speaker amendment. Council's options this
  1604. 1:44:34 Unknown speaker evening include approve, approve with
  1605. 1:44:36 Unknown speaker conditions, or deny. That concludes my
  1606. 1:44:39 Unknown speaker presentation. I thank you. The applicant
  1607. 1:44:41 Unknown speaker is also present and has a presentation
  1608. 1:44:43 Unknown speaker for you.
  1609. 1:44:43 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you.
  1610. 1:44:56 Unknown speaker Oops.
  1611. 1:45:02 Unknown speaker Thanks, Kristen.
  1612. 1:45:09 Unknown speaker Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name
  1613. 1:45:11 Unknown speaker is Chris Neils. I work for a local
  1614. 1:45:14 Unknown speaker development company called Actis. I'm
  1615. 1:45:17 Unknown speaker here tonight with my colleague, uh,
  1616. 1:45:19 Unknown speaker Frank Dienna, who is our construction
  1617. 1:45:21 Unknown speaker manager and development manager. We also
  1618. 1:45:24 Unknown speaker from Kimley Horn have our traffic
  1619. 1:45:26 Unknown speaker engineer and our civil engineer Jeff and
  1620. 1:45:29 Unknown speaker James. Um all of us are here to answer
  1621. 1:45:32 Unknown speaker questions to the extent that you have
  1622. 1:45:33 Unknown speaker them. Um I'm going to give a fairly
  1623. 1:45:36 Unknown speaker short presentation. I you have obviously
  1624. 1:45:38 Unknown speaker all worked very hard to familiarize
  1625. 1:45:41 Unknown speaker yourselves with this development. I know
  1626. 1:45:43 Unknown speaker that a very serious volume of
  1627. 1:45:45 Unknown speaker communication came your way from the
  1628. 1:45:47 Unknown speaker team and I thank and commend all of you
  1629. 1:45:50 Unknown speaker for getting through all of that
  1630. 1:45:52 Unknown speaker information and really working hard to
  1631. 1:45:54 Unknown speaker understand the broad strokes of this
  1632. 1:45:56 Unknown speaker project, the nuances of this project and
  1633. 1:45:58 Unknown speaker be really thoughtful in your approach
  1634. 1:46:00 Unknown speaker publicly. I um also want to take the
  1635. 1:46:03 Unknown speaker opportunity to thank everybody on the
  1636. 1:46:05 Unknown speaker city staff for all of their
  1637. 1:46:07 Unknown speaker contributions here. Um Harold, you and
  1638. 1:46:10 Unknown speaker all the members of your team. This
  1639. 1:46:11 Unknown speaker project is complicated and it's involved
  1640. 1:46:14 Unknown speaker pretty much every department in the
  1641. 1:46:16 Unknown speaker city. And so I think we have a pretty
  1642. 1:46:18 Unknown speaker good representation here tonight from
  1643. 1:46:21 Unknown speaker planning, engineering, fire,
  1644. 1:46:23 Unknown speaker transportation, u traffic, housing. Um,
  1645. 1:46:27 Unknown speaker and these people have all worked really
  1646. 1:46:29 Unknown speaker hard on this and helped coordinate it.
  1647. 1:46:31 Unknown speaker So I want to thank them.
  1648. 1:46:34 Unknown speaker Also, as a local company, you know, we
  1649. 1:46:36 Unknown speaker are in Longmont. We've been in Longmont
  1650. 1:46:38 Unknown speaker uh since 1991. We spend a lot of time
  1651. 1:46:41 Unknown speaker thinking about this community and also
  1652. 1:46:43 Unknown speaker understanding you and all of your
  1653. 1:46:45 Unknown speaker priorities and I thought it would be
  1654. 1:46:47 Unknown speaker good to start with just the diagram that
  1655. 1:46:49 Unknown speaker or the graphic that you all came up with
  1656. 1:46:51 Unknown speaker this year following your retreat and
  1657. 1:46:53 Unknown speaker highlighting the fact that you know two
  1658. 1:46:55 Unknown speaker out of the three main pillars here are
  1659. 1:46:57 Unknown speaker being addressed by this project. Housing
  1660. 1:46:59 Unknown speaker for all and transportation.
  1661. 1:47:02 Unknown speaker [snorts] Um as you all well know this
  1662. 1:47:04 Unknown speaker project's been going on for quite some
  1663. 1:47:06 Unknown speaker time. This is our eighth public meeting
  1664. 1:47:08 Unknown speaker on this. Um, you know, at this point
  1665. 1:47:12 Unknown speaker we've been through um two city council
  1666. 1:47:15 Unknown speaker referrals, two planning commission
  1667. 1:47:16 Unknown speaker meetings, historic planning um and then
  1668. 1:47:19 Unknown speaker the previous two commit meetings that
  1669. 1:47:20 Unknown speaker we've had with you guys. And so we are
  1670. 1:47:22 Unknown speaker at the point where a decision is to be
  1671. 1:47:24 Unknown speaker made tonight um on the land use and
  1672. 1:47:27 Unknown speaker concept plan. I will say, you know, for
  1673. 1:47:29 Unknown speaker the benefit of both you and everybody
  1674. 1:47:31 Unknown speaker else in this room, unfortunately, this
  1675. 1:47:33 Unknown speaker is still early days and there's a lot
  1676. 1:47:36 Unknown speaker more work to be done on this and so I
  1677. 1:47:38 Unknown speaker know there's been some comments about
  1678. 1:47:39 Unknown speaker how it's a little bit vague. We haven't
  1679. 1:47:42 Unknown speaker given a specific answer to every
  1680. 1:47:44 Unknown speaker question. Um, hopefully we've given you
  1681. 1:47:47 Unknown speaker enough to feel comfortable with sort of
  1682. 1:47:48 Unknown speaker the broad strokes around bringing this
  1683. 1:47:51 Unknown speaker property into the city of Longmont and
  1684. 1:47:53 Unknown speaker establishing concept plans.
  1685. 1:47:57 Unknown speaker So, our overall goal here is to create a
  1686. 1:48:00 Unknown speaker master plan that aligns with Longmont's
  1687. 1:48:02 Unknown speaker long-term planning goals as defined in
  1688. 1:48:04 Unknown speaker Envision Longmont and directed by you
  1689. 1:48:07 Unknown speaker all. Um, you know, we've already touched
  1690. 1:48:09 Unknown speaker on the topic of housing tonight and this
  1691. 1:48:12 Unknown speaker um squarely lands in that. And I want to
  1692. 1:48:14 Unknown speaker say that this project's not necessarily
  1693. 1:48:17 Unknown speaker oriented towards growth, but also
  1694. 1:48:19 Unknown speaker bringing the right product to Longmont.
  1695. 1:48:22 Unknown speaker And you know, we know from the um root
  1696. 1:48:25 Unknown speaker policy study that was commissioned by
  1697. 1:48:27 Unknown speaker the city that 72% of resident workers
  1698. 1:48:31 Unknown speaker that hold jobs that live in Longmont and
  1699. 1:48:33 Unknown speaker hold jobs leave to do that job every
  1700. 1:48:36 Unknown speaker day. We also know that Longmont has
  1701. 1:48:39 Unknown speaker approximately 37,000 jobs and 66% of
  1702. 1:48:43 Unknown speaker those jobs are filled by people who
  1703. 1:48:45 Unknown speaker commute into our community to do that.
  1704. 1:48:48 Unknown speaker And so I think that those two numbers
  1705. 1:48:50 Unknown speaker really show that we have a mismatch um
  1706. 1:48:54 Unknown speaker between um you know what where people
  1707. 1:48:57 Unknown speaker are living and where they're working and
  1708. 1:48:59 Unknown speaker make we want to make sure that the
  1709. 1:49:00 Unknown speaker housing that we are bringing to this
  1710. 1:49:02 Unknown speaker community align with that and are
  1711. 1:49:04 Unknown speaker serving the people that want to live and
  1712. 1:49:06 Unknown speaker work in this community and I think
  1713. 1:49:08 Unknown speaker that's a huge goal of this project. So,
  1714. 1:49:11 Unknown speaker you know, we are asking for your
  1715. 1:49:12 Unknown speaker approval on the annexation, the zoning,
  1716. 1:49:15 Unknown speaker and the concept plans tonight. And I
  1717. 1:49:18 Unknown speaker think a key outcome of these decisions
  1718. 1:49:20 Unknown speaker is it it takes a step in the direction
  1719. 1:49:22 Unknown speaker of enhancing the housing diversity of
  1720. 1:49:25 Unknown speaker Longmont. Um, it establishes a northern
  1721. 1:49:27 Unknown speaker terminus for the RTD bus rapid transit
  1722. 1:49:30 Unknown speaker project, which I'm sure you all are very
  1723. 1:49:32 Unknown speaker familiar with. It locates appropriate
  1724. 1:49:34 Unknown speaker density around existing and planned
  1725. 1:49:36 Unknown speaker infrastructure of the major um you know
  1726. 1:49:39 Unknown speaker thoroughares for roads but also the
  1727. 1:49:41 Unknown speaker multimmodal transportation uh that will
  1728. 1:49:44 Unknown speaker be included in this by virtue of the RTD
  1729. 1:49:46 Unknown speaker and the bike paths that will be provided
  1730. 1:49:48 Unknown speaker and pedestrian corridors that will be
  1731. 1:49:50 Unknown speaker provided.
  1732. 1:49:52 Unknown speaker Excuse me. And I want to kind of
  1733. 1:49:54 Unknown speaker conclude this slide by saying, you know,
  1734. 1:49:56 Unknown speaker this project's not about maximizing the
  1735. 1:49:58 Unknown speaker density. I know there's some big numbers
  1736. 1:50:00 Unknown speaker that were in Kristen's presentation. You
  1737. 1:50:02 Unknown speaker know, 35 units per acre, especially on
  1738. 1:50:05 Unknown speaker the east side, it that is not what we're
  1739. 1:50:07 Unknown speaker targeting for. I think we're trying to
  1740. 1:50:09 Unknown speaker find the appropriate level of density
  1741. 1:50:12 Unknown speaker within the zoning districts for each of
  1742. 1:50:14 Unknown speaker those. So,
  1743. 1:50:16 Unknown speaker um, here's a graphic of the entire
  1744. 1:50:19 Unknown speaker project. And I just want to make a
  1745. 1:50:20 Unknown speaker comment that, you know, we have all
  1746. 1:50:22 Unknown speaker studied this project as a whole. And
  1747. 1:50:24 Unknown speaker even though there's four individual
  1748. 1:50:25 Unknown speaker items for you to vote on tonight, so
  1749. 1:50:28 Unknown speaker many of these are interconnected in
  1750. 1:50:30 Unknown speaker terms of how it all works, um, and the
  1751. 1:50:33 Unknown speaker feasibility of the stoplight, the
  1752. 1:50:34 Unknown speaker feasibility of the utilities, and so we
  1753. 1:50:37 Unknown speaker really view this project, um, all as
  1754. 1:50:39 Unknown speaker one. I'll now kind of turn specifically
  1755. 1:50:42 Unknown speaker just to the east because that's what
  1756. 1:50:43 Unknown speaker we're talking about now. So, the
  1757. 1:50:46 Unknown speaker existing concept plan was actually first
  1758. 1:50:48 Unknown speaker created in 2007. It only included
  1759. 1:50:51 Unknown speaker commercial uses and its land has sat
  1760. 1:50:54 Unknown speaker vacant for 20 years. Um, I think there's
  1761. 1:50:58 Unknown speaker a couple things around that. Walmart one
  1762. 1:51:00 Unknown speaker heavily restricted what future retail
  1763. 1:51:02 Unknown speaker uses could be here. It's something they
  1764. 1:51:04 Unknown speaker put on the land that nobody can, you
  1765. 1:51:07 Unknown speaker know, take away. And so I think that
  1766. 1:51:09 Unknown speaker forecloses some of the retail options,
  1767. 1:51:11 Unknown speaker but also I think Longmont is
  1768. 1:51:13 Unknown speaker appropriately retailed and the market
  1769. 1:51:15 Unknown speaker study that we provided kind of shows
  1770. 1:51:17 Unknown speaker that there are ample retail
  1771. 1:51:19 Unknown speaker opportunities here. I will say the 3.3
  1772. 1:51:22 Unknown speaker acres of retail that will be included is
  1773. 1:51:26 Unknown speaker um I know it looks small on this chart,
  1774. 1:51:28 Unknown speaker but it's actually, you know, plenty of
  1775. 1:51:30 Unknown speaker land to include 25,000 square ft plus.
  1776. 1:51:33 Unknown speaker Um,
  1777. 1:51:35 Unknown speaker Council Member Christ, I think that you
  1778. 1:51:37 Unknown speaker came up with some ideas that of, you
  1779. 1:51:39 Unknown speaker know, retail um, operations that you
  1780. 1:51:41 Unknown speaker would like to see here. I think most of
  1781. 1:51:44 Unknown speaker the items on your list could all all fit
  1782. 1:51:47 Unknown speaker in 30,000 square ft. So, I know it looks
  1783. 1:51:50 Unknown speaker like a smaller chunk, but I think it
  1784. 1:51:51 Unknown speaker does move the needle on kind of what um,
  1785. 1:51:55 Unknown speaker kind of local serving uses can be here,
  1786. 1:51:57 Unknown speaker I think. And then obviously we have the
  1787. 1:52:01 Unknown speaker RTD park and ride. Um it'll be 250
  1788. 1:52:03 Unknown speaker stalls plus a driver brake station. Um
  1789. 1:52:06 Unknown speaker you know this will encompass the um
  1790. 1:52:09 Unknown speaker beginning or end point depending on how
  1791. 1:52:11 Unknown speaker you're looking at it for the new BRT
  1792. 1:52:13 Unknown speaker routes. I think three of the four major
  1793. 1:52:16 Unknown speaker routes that go through the local routes
  1794. 1:52:18 Unknown speaker that go through Longmont come to this
  1795. 1:52:20 Unknown speaker station. Um and then I believe I'm not
  1796. 1:52:23 Unknown speaker sure but I think the AL the new AL um as
  1797. 1:52:26 Unknown speaker soon as this and first and Maine are
  1798. 1:52:28 Unknown speaker done we'll switch off the ETH and
  1799. 1:52:30 Unknown speaker Kaufman and come here and to first and
  1800. 1:52:32 Unknown speaker Maine. Um so you know looking at how
  1801. 1:52:36 Unknown speaker this has been zoned and thought about in
  1802. 1:52:38 Unknown speaker in um envision Longmont I think what
  1803. 1:52:40 Unknown speaker we're we're presenting is really um in
  1804. 1:52:44 Unknown speaker line with what has been thought about in
  1805. 1:52:46 Unknown speaker Envision Longmont. And I know it's super
  1806. 1:52:48 Unknown speaker small there, but um you know the the
  1807. 1:52:51 Unknown speaker idea of this zoning is really to serve
  1808. 1:52:53 Unknown speaker the commercial and retail needs of the
  1809. 1:52:55 Unknown speaker city while also providing the higher
  1810. 1:52:57 Unknown speaker density housing and employment
  1811. 1:52:58 Unknown speaker opportunities in close proximity to
  1812. 1:53:01 Unknown speaker transit and other services. And I think
  1813. 1:53:04 Unknown speaker you know a lot of the kind of retail has
  1814. 1:53:07 Unknown speaker already been um addressed. We'll address
  1815. 1:53:10 Unknown speaker what's remaining and then the rest I
  1816. 1:53:12 Unknown speaker think should go to the higher density
  1817. 1:53:14 Unknown speaker housing.
  1818. 1:53:15 Unknown speaker So, I'm going to pause our presentation
  1819. 1:53:17 Unknown speaker there. Um, we can get more into the west
  1820. 1:53:20 Unknown speaker side and the overall project, but just
  1821. 1:53:22 Unknown speaker in terms of the flow of the meeting, I
  1822. 1:53:23 Unknown speaker think this is the point um where we've
  1823. 1:53:25 Unknown speaker talked about the east and
  1824. 1:53:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, yeah. And then so I and this
  1825. 1:53:31 Unknown speaker is might be a question more for Eugene
  1826. 1:53:33 Unknown speaker as far as looking at process. Um
  1827. 1:53:37 Unknown speaker my thought is following what we did the
  1828. 1:53:40 Unknown speaker last time and doing one public hearing
  1829. 1:53:45 Unknown speaker but um
  1830. 1:53:48 Unknown speaker yeah I just because I mean I I think I'm
  1831. 1:53:50 Unknown speaker getting confused with you know the fact
  1832. 1:53:52 Unknown speaker that it's the same developer but these
  1833. 1:53:54 Unknown speaker are two different projects. Um for this
  1834. 1:53:57 Unknown speaker one on the east side I do have one
  1835. 1:54:00 Unknown speaker person signed up for public comment. I
  1836. 1:54:03 Unknown speaker also see that she has signed up for both
  1837. 1:54:05 Unknown speaker the east and the west side project.
  1838. 1:54:09 Unknown speaker Um,
  1839. 1:54:11 Unknown speaker mayor and council,
  1840. 1:54:12 Unknown speaker yes, I
  1841. 1:54:13 Unknown speaker I think there are good reasons to have
  1842. 1:54:16 Unknown speaker separate public hearings for separate
  1843. 1:54:18 Unknown speaker ordinances. And while they're
  1844. 1:54:20 Unknown speaker it's sort of a master development
  1845. 1:54:21 Unknown speaker concept, it's really
  1846. 1:54:23 Unknown speaker east and west in terms of development
  1847. 1:54:25 Unknown speaker applications.
  1848. 1:54:26 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1849. 1:54:26 Unknown speaker So, I I would think to keep them
  1850. 1:54:28 Unknown speaker separate.
  1851. 1:54:28 Unknown speaker Okay. I think when you asked for them to
  1852. 1:54:30 Unknown speaker be all included, I was like, "Okay, you
  1853. 1:54:32 Unknown speaker confused me." But [laughter] it's all
  1854. 1:54:34 Unknown speaker right. It's all good. Um, so I'm going
  1855. 1:54:36 Unknown speaker to go ahead and uh throw this out to
  1856. 1:54:38 Unknown speaker council. Do we have any questions?
  1857. 1:54:41 Unknown speaker Council member Christ. Well, I do have a
  1858. 1:54:44 Unknown speaker question. And so, um, this is possibly
  1859. 1:54:47 Unknown speaker for Kristen. Um, my question is, do we
  1860. 1:54:51 Unknown speaker have to change the concept plan to
  1861. 1:54:52 Unknown speaker decide where RTD goes or can that be
  1862. 1:54:56 Unknown speaker fluid?
  1863. 1:54:59 Unknown speaker Thank you for that question. Yes, that
  1864. 1:55:01 Unknown speaker is a required change. The current
  1865. 1:55:03 Unknown speaker concept plan um is has it located in the
  1866. 1:55:06 Unknown speaker south and that is what is currently
  1867. 1:55:08 Unknown speaker approved for the site. So a move to the
  1868. 1:55:10 Unknown speaker north does require a concept plan
  1869. 1:55:12 Unknown speaker amendment.
  1870. 1:55:12 Unknown speaker Okay. I know some concept plans are kind
  1871. 1:55:14 Unknown speaker of amorphous but this one's a little
  1872. 1:55:16 Unknown speaker more sitting.
  1873. 1:55:17 Unknown speaker That's true. I mean you can have very
  1874. 1:55:19 Unknown speaker different concept plans from like bubble
  1875. 1:55:21 Unknown speaker guy diagram kind of concepts way to much
  1876. 1:55:24 Unknown speaker more detailed concept plans. So that is
  1877. 1:55:27 Unknown speaker sometimes different in what you need to
  1878. 1:55:30 Unknown speaker consider for amendments.
  1879. 1:55:31 Unknown speaker Okay. And then just to be uh to clarify,
  1880. 1:55:35 Unknown speaker the RTD parking area needs to be in the
  1881. 1:55:39 Unknown speaker north in order to get proper signaling.
  1882. 1:55:41 Unknown speaker Is that correct? And that might be for
  1883. 1:55:43 Unknown speaker the developer.
  1884. 1:55:51 Unknown speaker I'll say we in coordination with the
  1885. 1:55:54 Unknown speaker city's traffic group, C do DOT and RTD
  1886. 1:55:57 Unknown speaker have all decided that the northern
  1887. 1:55:59 Unknown speaker location with the addition of a signal
  1888. 1:56:02 Unknown speaker is the best outcome for everybody
  1889. 1:56:04 Unknown speaker involved.
  1890. 1:56:05 Unknown speaker Okay. So, is that the main reason for
  1891. 1:56:08 Unknown speaker this concept plan change? Because I I
  1892. 1:56:11 Unknown speaker just want to just give a little
  1893. 1:56:13 Unknown speaker backstory. I was um it was the council
  1894. 1:56:15 Unknown speaker before that said they wanted higher
  1895. 1:56:17 Unknown speaker density and then I had just started on
  1896. 1:56:18 Unknown speaker council when you first came to us and we
  1897. 1:56:21 Unknown speaker said yeah we want more density and this
  1898. 1:56:24 Unknown speaker developed. Um
  1899. 1:56:27 Unknown speaker the thing is um some of our priorities
  1900. 1:56:30 Unknown speaker have changed and as you saw our our
  1901. 1:56:31 Unknown speaker customer satisfaction survey earlier
  1902. 1:56:34 Unknown speaker housing you know since that time a lot
  1903. 1:56:36 Unknown speaker of it is timing the timing is a little
  1904. 1:56:39 Unknown speaker off from from you know how this all
  1905. 1:56:42 Unknown speaker developed because at that same time is
  1906. 1:56:44 Unknown speaker when the Atwood Commons and we're just
  1907. 1:56:47 Unknown speaker now three years later going to you know
  1908. 1:56:49 Unknown speaker celebrate the groundbreaking on it. So
  1909. 1:56:51 Unknown speaker since that time we've had a lot of
  1910. 1:56:53 Unknown speaker developments come to fruition and um
  1911. 1:56:58 Unknown speaker and there's less interest in having high
  1912. 1:57:00 Unknown speaker density especially um for rent products.
  1913. 1:57:05 Unknown speaker So, um, with that with that explanation,
  1914. 1:57:09 Unknown speaker I see the point of needing to move RTD
  1915. 1:57:11 Unknown speaker to a certain point and and I'm okay
  1916. 1:57:14 Unknown speaker [clears throat] with that, but I would
  1917. 1:57:15 Unknown speaker rather the original concept plan had 240
  1918. 1:57:19 Unknown speaker units, which I think is much better than
  1919. 1:57:22 Unknown speaker I think it was up up to 579, but also
  1920. 1:57:26 Unknown speaker possibly 272 to 529.
  1921. 1:57:30 Unknown speaker I was looking at my notes.
  1922. 1:57:32 Unknown speaker Again, that's what's allowable by the
  1923. 1:57:33 Unknown speaker zoning code. It's not what we've
  1924. 1:57:35 Unknown speaker indicated we want to do.
  1925. 1:57:37 Unknown speaker Um Kristen's just giving you here's the
  1926. 1:57:40 Unknown speaker what the zoning says.
  1927. 1:57:42 Unknown speaker Right. Right. I also think when we're
  1928. 1:57:45 Unknown speaker we're talking housing, it tends to run
  1929. 1:57:47 Unknown speaker about two years behind in the surveys.
  1930. 1:57:49 Unknown speaker But what is interesting is we don't have
  1931. 1:57:51 Unknown speaker a good um pulse on on the um commercial
  1932. 1:57:56 Unknown speaker surveys. But I think it's acknowledged
  1933. 1:57:58 Unknown speaker that we need to do something more to
  1934. 1:58:02 Unknown speaker enhance commercial in Longmont. Uh for
  1935. 1:58:05 Unknown speaker certain we need more sales tax revenue
  1936. 1:58:08 Unknown speaker is is where we're going with this. So um
  1937. 1:58:12 Unknown speaker so
  1938. 1:58:13 Unknown speaker I would ask is is sales tax revenue
  1939. 1:58:15 Unknown speaker about more shoppers or more retailers?
  1940. 1:58:20 Unknown speaker I think where we are now in Longmont
  1941. 1:58:22 Unknown speaker it's a little bit of both.
  1942. 1:58:25 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  1943. 1:58:27 Unknown speaker And
  1944. 1:58:27 Unknown speaker I guess the final point I'll make on
  1945. 1:58:29 Unknown speaker that is, you know, this land has been
  1946. 1:58:31 Unknown speaker under this concept plan for 20 years
  1947. 1:58:35 Unknown speaker and it hasn't happened yet.
  1948. 1:58:36 Unknown speaker Hasn't happened yet. I think different
  1949. 1:58:39 Unknown speaker owners have had different retail brokers
  1950. 1:58:42 Unknown speaker out pounding the pavement trying to find
  1951. 1:58:45 Unknown speaker a retailer to come. It would be far
  1952. 1:58:47 Unknown speaker easier for us to plug a big retailer in
  1953. 1:58:50 Unknown speaker here and not be out. But, you know,
  1954. 1:58:51 Unknown speaker we've worked really hard to convince
  1955. 1:58:54 Unknown speaker ourselves that that retailer is not out
  1956. 1:58:57 Unknown speaker there now. It hasn't been there for 20
  1957. 1:59:00 Unknown speaker years.
  1958. 1:59:02 Unknown speaker I don't know that it's not coming
  1959. 1:59:03 Unknown speaker tomorrow, but it doesn't seem likely.
  1960. 1:59:06 Unknown speaker Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
  1961. 1:59:10 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1962. 1:59:10 Unknown speaker All right.
  1963. 1:59:11 Unknown speaker Um, thanks.
  1964. 1:59:12 Unknown speaker Yeah. Um I mean there there is a balance
  1965. 1:59:16 Unknown speaker between between both and you know and
  1966. 1:59:18 Unknown speaker I've seen and I've been part of
  1967. 1:59:20 Unknown speaker communities that if we didn't have you
  1968. 1:59:24 Unknown speaker know we could not build so I was part of
  1969. 1:59:26 Unknown speaker a community that we could not build the
  1970. 1:59:28 Unknown speaker economic infrastructure
  1971. 1:59:31 Unknown speaker because there was a moratorum on
  1972. 1:59:33 Unknown speaker building which then decreased. So, it's
  1973. 1:59:36 Unknown speaker it's this fine balance of really
  1974. 1:59:39 Unknown speaker addressing that community need and
  1975. 1:59:41 Unknown speaker community culture and respecting that,
  1976. 1:59:44 Unknown speaker honoring that, but also knowing that if
  1977. 1:59:47 Unknown speaker we want to build that revenue, that tax
  1978. 1:59:49 Unknown speaker base, you know, there's there's both
  1979. 1:59:52 Unknown speaker there's going to be a component of both
  1980. 1:59:54 Unknown speaker of housing and
  1981. 1:59:56 Unknown speaker um and economic that's going to have to,
  1982. 2:00:01 Unknown speaker you know, kind of coales together. And
  1983. 2:00:03 Unknown speaker it is it's it's tough. I I did not
  1984. 2:00:05 Unknown speaker realize how tough it would be when I
  1985. 2:00:07 Unknown speaker stepped into this role of having to to
  1986. 2:00:09 Unknown speaker balance those those two pieces. If we
  1987. 2:00:12 Unknown speaker forego, you know, too much on one side,
  1988. 2:00:16 Unknown speaker it impacts other other sectors. Um, you
  1989. 2:00:20 Unknown speaker know, and I don't know if it would be
  1990. 2:00:22 Unknown speaker out of order, but I know Camm's been
  1991. 2:00:24 Unknown speaker working with RTD, and I don't know if
  1992. 2:00:26 Unknown speaker you feel like you want to speak to that,
  1993. 2:00:28 Unknown speaker but I
  1994. 2:00:30 Unknown speaker this has been going on for a long time,
  1995. 2:00:32 Unknown speaker [laughter] and there's been a lot of um
  1996. 2:00:36 Unknown speaker outside entities involved in making it
  1997. 2:00:40 Unknown speaker be this particular setup that it is.
  1998. 2:00:44 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, yeah, Cammy Edson,
  1999. 2:00:46 Unknown speaker transportation planning manager. Just
  2000. 2:00:47 Unknown speaker want to add to the timing of this
  2001. 2:00:49 Unknown speaker project and after 20 years right why now
  2002. 2:00:53 Unknown speaker and this development will sort of happen
  2003. 2:00:54 Unknown speaker in a non-typical order is that the
  2004. 2:00:57 Unknown speaker transit is going to come first and often
  2005. 2:00:59 Unknown speaker housing comes first then transit. This
  2006. 2:01:01 Unknown speaker is going to happen somewhat in the
  2007. 2:01:03 Unknown speaker opposite order in to make sure that the
  2008. 2:01:06 Unknown speaker regional bus rapid transit project that
  2009. 2:01:09 Unknown speaker is pretty much ready to launch is not
  2010. 2:01:12 Unknown speaker sacrificed of not being able to be
  2011. 2:01:14 Unknown speaker functional in the long term. So part of
  2012. 2:01:17 Unknown speaker this is to make sure that we can get all
  2013. 2:01:18 Unknown speaker of the desired amenities in place. Um
  2014. 2:01:21 Unknown speaker but most likely transit will come first
  2015. 2:01:24 Unknown speaker in this project of if approved versus
  2016. 2:01:26 Unknown speaker the housing. So there'll be more time.
  2017. 2:01:28 Unknown speaker So it's a little flip-flop from the
  2018. 2:01:30 Unknown speaker typical um development process. Just
  2019. 2:01:33 Unknown speaker wanted to put that out there for sort of
  2020. 2:01:35 Unknown speaker relevant context.
  2021. 2:01:36 Unknown speaker Yes. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. Um
  2022. 2:01:39 Unknown speaker thank you council member Koffer.
  2023. 2:01:41 Unknown speaker Cammy, Cammy, wait
  2024. 2:01:43 Unknown speaker and I'm come back and I'm sorry to make
  2025. 2:01:45 Unknown speaker you all the way.
  2026. 2:01:47 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um I've been very involved
  2027. 2:01:49 Unknown speaker with the AL bus route. Um I have a
  2028. 2:01:52 Unknown speaker question. I haven't heard RTD
  2029. 2:01:55 Unknown speaker potentially adding that that stop. Can
  2030. 2:01:58 Unknown speaker you elaborate what
  2031. 2:02:00 Unknown speaker can you elaborate what bus services RTD
  2032. 2:02:02 Unknown speaker Flex might be there?
  2033. 2:02:04 Unknown speaker Yes. So, um, the AL being out at this
  2034. 2:02:09 Unknown speaker northern terminus is a concept that
  2035. 2:02:11 Unknown speaker everyone is assuming will potentially
  2036. 2:02:13 Unknown speaker happen once both of the new transit
  2037. 2:02:15 Unknown speaker stations are done. So, no guaranteed.
  2038. 2:02:17 Unknown speaker It's not on a run board or anything yet,
  2039. 2:02:18 Unknown speaker but I think that's the assumption um,
  2040. 2:02:21 Unknown speaker from many partners' perspectives,
  2041. 2:02:23 Unknown speaker including ours, and one that I'm
  2042. 2:02:24 Unknown speaker assuming Longmont would ask for at the
  2043. 2:02:26 Unknown speaker right time to have it moved there. Um,
  2044. 2:02:30 Unknown speaker and then what was the other part of your
  2045. 2:02:31 Unknown speaker question?
  2046. 2:02:32 Unknown speaker Which other routes?
  2047. 2:02:33 Unknown speaker Oh, yes. So RTD has also already
  2048. 2:02:35 Unknown speaker clarified too that they will share their
  2049. 2:02:38 Unknown speaker facilities just like they already do
  2050. 2:02:40 Unknown speaker with transport. So the transport flex
  2051. 2:02:42 Unknown speaker bus that comes from Fort Collins through
  2052. 2:02:44 Unknown speaker Lovelin through um Bertha through
  2053. 2:02:46 Unknown speaker Longmont could also go there. There are
  2054. 2:02:49 Unknown speaker new routes um being considered and
  2055. 2:02:52 Unknown speaker looking for funding from Estus through
  2056. 2:02:54 Unknown speaker 66. That would be a potential stop. So
  2057. 2:02:56 Unknown speaker RTD is open to sharing with not only the
  2058. 2:02:59 Unknown speaker current providers but any future
  2059. 2:03:00 Unknown speaker providers as well could use the terminus
  2060. 2:03:02 Unknown speaker and in in other situations do they share
  2061. 2:03:05 Unknown speaker the same infrastructure so that run
  2062. 2:03:06 Unknown speaker board will have joint?
  2063. 2:03:08 Unknown speaker Yes.
  2064. 2:03:08 Unknown speaker Great.
  2065. 2:03:09 Unknown speaker So as they do now at ETH and Kaufman and
  2066. 2:03:11 Unknown speaker other places they would share their
  2067. 2:03:12 Unknown speaker gates essentially with the other
  2068. 2:03:14 Unknown speaker services and then those services would
  2069. 2:03:16 Unknown speaker build their run times around RTD's
  2070. 2:03:19 Unknown speaker schedule.
  2071. 2:03:20 Unknown speaker Perfect. Thank you Kimmy.
  2072. 2:03:21 Unknown speaker Yep. And hence that's why the new light
  2073. 2:03:23 Unknown speaker to also make sure that the buses can get
  2074. 2:03:24 Unknown speaker in and out which also puts greater
  2075. 2:03:26 Unknown speaker safety improvement on 287 as well.
  2076. 2:03:29 Unknown speaker Great. Thanks. I do have a question for
  2077. 2:03:32 Unknown speaker the developers. Um so I know you're
  2078. 2:03:34 Unknown speaker moving the retail away from the RTD park
  2079. 2:03:37 Unknown speaker and ride since there is going to be
  2080. 2:03:40 Unknown speaker multiple different sois park potentially
  2081. 2:03:44 Unknown speaker uh transport coming. I I can foresee
  2082. 2:03:46 Unknown speaker people going from one system to the
  2083. 2:03:48 Unknown speaker other waiting for the next bus. How is
  2084. 2:03:51 Unknown speaker your development going to accommodate
  2085. 2:03:52 Unknown speaker that for somebody who's waiting?
  2086. 2:03:54 Unknown speaker Yep.
  2087. 2:03:54 Unknown speaker Is there going to be services? Is there
  2088. 2:03:56 Unknown speaker going to be establishments? Walk me
  2089. 2:03:58 Unknown speaker through that.
  2090. 2:03:58 Unknown speaker So, we've talked with planning a little
  2091. 2:04:00 Unknown speaker bit and under the higher density
  2092. 2:04:02 Unknown speaker residential, there's enough leeway to
  2093. 2:04:05 Unknown speaker put in some um kind of amenities for RTD
  2094. 2:04:09 Unknown speaker should it be deemed necessary um in sort
  2095. 2:04:13 Unknown speaker of a ground floor component of that. I
  2096. 2:04:15 Unknown speaker think the other thing to think about is
  2097. 2:04:18 Unknown speaker potentially using like a coffee kiosk or
  2098. 2:04:20 Unknown speaker a coffee truck. After our last meeting,
  2099. 2:04:22 Unknown speaker I did reach out to a coffee provider and
  2100. 2:04:25 Unknown speaker said, you know, this location is really
  2101. 2:04:28 Unknown speaker difficult because it's primarily driven
  2102. 2:04:30 Unknown speaker just by the traffic is even though it
  2103. 2:04:33 Unknown speaker feels like it's a big parking ride, it's
  2104. 2:04:35 Unknown speaker only 250 stalls. And this person felt
  2105. 2:04:38 Unknown speaker like in order for a coffee establishment
  2106. 2:04:40 Unknown speaker to be successful, especially when you
  2107. 2:04:43 Unknown speaker only have kind of the morning and
  2108. 2:04:44 Unknown speaker there's not a lunch crowd, probably
  2109. 2:04:46 Unknown speaker needs to sell 250 to 300 cups of coffee
  2110. 2:04:49 Unknown speaker every morning to make that business
  2111. 2:04:51 Unknown speaker thrive. But that person suggested, you
  2112. 2:04:54 Unknown speaker know, bringing in kind of a coffee food
  2113. 2:04:56 Unknown speaker truck in the morning could be a really
  2114. 2:04:59 Unknown speaker good solution to getting people an
  2115. 2:05:01 Unknown speaker opportunity to get a warm cup of coffee
  2116. 2:05:03 Unknown speaker and maybe a breakfast sandwich in the
  2117. 2:05:05 Unknown speaker morning.
  2118. 2:05:05 Unknown speaker Sure. residents would also use these
  2119. 2:05:07 Unknown speaker establishments as well. So, it's not
  2120. 2:05:09 Unknown speaker just the bus riders, it's also the
  2121. 2:05:11 Unknown speaker residents in the area.
  2122. 2:05:12 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2123. 2:05:12 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you,
  2124. 2:05:16 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin.
  2125. 2:05:19 Unknown speaker Don't get too comfortable there. Um,
  2126. 2:05:22 Unknown speaker thank you, Mayor. Um, question for I'll
  2127. 2:05:25 Unknown speaker start with um the developer. Thank you,
  2128. 2:05:29 Unknown speaker though. I appreciate your enthusiasm,
  2129. 2:05:30 Unknown speaker Kristen. Um,
  2130. 2:05:34 Unknown speaker you know, I appreciate that you guys are
  2131. 2:05:36 Unknown speaker a local development company. I would
  2132. 2:05:37 Unknown speaker have more concerns about the Northern
  2133. 2:05:39 Unknown speaker Gateway of Longmont being developed on
  2134. 2:05:41 Unknown speaker both sides of 287 by a firm that doesn't
  2135. 2:05:44 Unknown speaker know Longmont, and that's not the case
  2136. 2:05:46 Unknown speaker here. Um, that's encouraging for me, but
  2137. 2:05:49 Unknown speaker I wanted to ask you very specifically. I
  2138. 2:05:51 Unknown speaker know we are not at the like what's the
  2139. 2:05:53 Unknown speaker facade going to look like stage and you
  2140. 2:05:56 Unknown speaker know what what are all of the details
  2141. 2:05:57 Unknown speaker there. I know we're not at that yet, but
  2142. 2:05:59 Unknown speaker you've shown some renderings even in
  2143. 2:06:01 Unknown speaker just that kind of initial presentation
  2144. 2:06:02 Unknown speaker that you had even on the west side there
  2145. 2:06:05 Unknown speaker that I hadn't seen before that were in
  2146. 2:06:07 Unknown speaker inclinations of like this the layouts
  2147. 2:06:09 Unknown speaker that you're thinking about and kind of
  2148. 2:06:10 Unknown speaker the approach. And so I guess maybe
  2149. 2:06:12 Unknown speaker admittedly as a bit of a softball
  2150. 2:06:14 Unknown speaker question, I would love to know what your
  2151. 2:06:16 Unknown speaker vision is for that gateway. I see the
  2152. 2:06:18 Unknown speaker concept plan. and I see the annexation
  2153. 2:06:20 Unknown speaker map, but that's not the same as your
  2154. 2:06:22 Unknown speaker team's vision based on your lived
  2155. 2:06:24 Unknown speaker experience and professional experience
  2156. 2:06:25 Unknown speaker here and whether it's you or Frank or
  2157. 2:06:27 Unknown speaker others who want to speak to this.
  2158. 2:06:28 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2159. 2:06:29 Unknown speaker I would love to hear a little bit more
  2160. 2:06:30 Unknown speaker of an articulation whether it's specific
  2161. 2:06:32 Unknown speaker to this side of 287 to the other or or
  2162. 2:06:36 Unknown speaker to both kind of in concert because I
  2163. 2:06:38 Unknown speaker think rightfully so and and look, I've
  2164. 2:06:40 Unknown speaker already heard um many of the public
  2165. 2:06:42 Unknown speaker comments that I expect I will hear
  2166. 2:06:43 Unknown speaker tonight because I was I'm the leazison
  2167. 2:06:45 Unknown speaker to the planning and zoning commission.
  2168. 2:06:46 Unknown speaker So, I've heard many many uh folks
  2169. 2:06:49 Unknown speaker come here and and I've thought about it
  2170. 2:06:50 Unknown speaker myself and and while this is out of my
  2171. 2:06:52 Unknown speaker district, I think very heavily about the
  2172. 2:06:53 Unknown speaker entrance points and the gateways to
  2173. 2:06:55 Unknown speaker Longmont in a number of a number of
  2174. 2:06:57 Unknown speaker different ways and the perception that
  2175. 2:06:58 Unknown speaker people have. So, I would love for you to
  2176. 2:07:00 Unknown speaker speak a little bit to your vision of
  2177. 2:07:02 Unknown speaker that gateway and what that represents to
  2178. 2:07:04 Unknown speaker you. Yeah, I wish this was a softball
  2179. 2:07:07 Unknown speaker question, but um you know, I think what
  2180. 2:07:09 Unknown speaker I can say is that we all very much
  2181. 2:07:12 Unknown speaker understand the responsibility that comes
  2182. 2:07:15 Unknown speaker with this location. Um nobody on our
  2183. 2:07:18 Unknown speaker team, including the gentleman here
  2184. 2:07:20 Unknown speaker tonight, are designers and also it's
  2185. 2:07:23 Unknown speaker it's kind of a moving target as
  2186. 2:07:25 Unknown speaker But you do have designers on the team
  2187. 2:07:26 Unknown speaker somewhere, right?
  2188. 2:07:27 Unknown speaker Well, we hire architects. You know, I
  2189. 2:07:30 Unknown speaker think what I will say is that good
  2190. 2:07:32 Unknown speaker design is something that our firm has
  2191. 2:07:35 Unknown speaker always really focused on and I think
  2192. 2:07:37 Unknown speaker we're really proud of some of the things
  2193. 2:07:38 Unknown speaker that we've done in this community from a
  2194. 2:07:40 Unknown speaker design perspective where we have you
  2195. 2:07:43 Unknown speaker know compromised on density to create at
  2196. 2:07:46 Unknown speaker Vera West specifically something that we
  2197. 2:07:49 Unknown speaker brought different architecture to the
  2198. 2:07:51 Unknown speaker city of Longmont was done at that time
  2199. 2:07:54 Unknown speaker and sort of compromised maybe some of
  2200. 2:07:56 Unknown speaker the density and even maybe some of the
  2201. 2:07:58 Unknown speaker financial performance performance of the
  2202. 2:08:00 Unknown speaker community in favor of just having
  2203. 2:08:03 Unknown speaker something that we're really proud of.
  2204. 2:08:05 Unknown speaker The other thing is we're not a merchant
  2205. 2:08:06 Unknown speaker builder. So everything everything
  2206. 2:08:09 Unknown speaker [clears throat] that merchant builders
  2207. 2:08:10 Unknown speaker means build it, sell it.
  2208. 2:08:11 Unknown speaker Um not 66. They built it, they sold it.
  2209. 2:08:14 Unknown speaker Um
  2210. 2:08:15 Unknown speaker to my knowledge, and Frank, you can
  2211. 2:08:17 Unknown speaker correct me if I'm wrong, I believe we
  2212. 2:08:18 Unknown speaker still own everything we've built in
  2213. 2:08:19 Unknown speaker Longmont. Um, and so we have an eye
  2214. 2:08:24 Unknown speaker towards um, real long-term performance
  2215. 2:08:27 Unknown speaker of an asset. And I think that that
  2216. 2:08:30 Unknown speaker creates a little bit different u motive
  2217. 2:08:33 Unknown speaker in terms of doing something really
  2218. 2:08:35 Unknown speaker special. Um, I'm not dodging your
  2219. 2:08:37 Unknown speaker question. I think even kind of the form
  2220. 2:08:41 Unknown speaker of what this this side is going to take
  2221. 2:08:44 Unknown speaker is still a question. You know, there's a
  2222. 2:08:46 Unknown speaker minimum density of 18 units per acre. um
  2223. 2:08:50 Unknown speaker in this particular zoning.
  2224. 2:08:52 Unknown speaker Sure.
  2225. 2:08:53 Unknown speaker I think we have as a community seen a
  2226. 2:08:56 Unknown speaker lot of kind of standard apartments
  2227. 2:08:59 Unknown speaker come to the city and I think that
  2228. 2:09:01 Unknown speaker there's a good supply of that now and
  2229. 2:09:04 Unknown speaker some of the projects that are on the
  2230. 2:09:05 Unknown speaker boards and maybe the planning can team
  2231. 2:09:07 Unknown speaker could talk about it a little bit more
  2232. 2:09:09 Unknown speaker are are creating building forms and unit
  2233. 2:09:12 Unknown speaker styles that are a little bit different.
  2234. 2:09:15 Unknown speaker Um, so like the project that that
  2235. 2:09:17 Unknown speaker Garrett's company did behind True North
  2236. 2:09:20 Unknown speaker that has that density, you know, they
  2237. 2:09:22 Unknown speaker did a more traditional style apartment
  2238. 2:09:24 Unknown speaker and then some smaller buildings um with
  2239. 2:09:26 Unknown speaker two stories. So I think what we would
  2240. 2:09:29 Unknown speaker challenge ourselves to do is come up
  2241. 2:09:31 Unknown speaker with something that is both really
  2242. 2:09:33 Unknown speaker visually intriguing as you drive into
  2243. 2:09:35 Unknown speaker the city, but also, you know, is
  2244. 2:09:37 Unknown speaker different than other things that have
  2245. 2:09:39 Unknown speaker been delivered to the market. both from
  2246. 2:09:41 Unknown speaker the standpoint of design but also just
  2247. 2:09:43 Unknown speaker bringing a product that sets us apart
  2248. 2:09:46 Unknown speaker from the other supply that's been
  2249. 2:09:48 Unknown speaker brought to the market.
  2250. 2:09:50 Unknown speaker I appreciate that. Um maybe one followup
  2251. 2:09:52 Unknown speaker on that when you know I hear a lot from
  2252. 2:09:54 Unknown speaker folks on like Longmont is losing the
  2253. 2:09:57 Unknown speaker character of maybe a smaller town as we
  2254. 2:10:00 Unknown speaker build a little bit more. I'm wondering
  2255. 2:10:01 Unknown speaker if you could speak to what your
  2256. 2:10:02 Unknown speaker experience is in that and kind of how
  2257. 2:10:04 Unknown speaker you think about this project fitting
  2258. 2:10:05 Unknown speaker into enhancing hopefully enhancing the
  2259. 2:10:08 Unknown speaker character of Longmont.
  2260. 2:10:12 Unknown speaker It's a really thoughtful question. Um,
  2261. 2:10:14 Unknown speaker thank you for asking it. You know, I
  2262. 2:10:16 Unknown speaker mean, Longmont has grown up a ton. Uh, I
  2263. 2:10:18 Unknown speaker think if you fast or if you rewind
  2264. 2:10:21 Unknown speaker 20some years, um, it was 60,000 people.
  2265. 2:10:25 Unknown speaker Now it's over a 100,000. So, there has
  2266. 2:10:27 Unknown speaker been a lot of growth. And I think when
  2267. 2:10:29 Unknown speaker you look at the survey numbers and see
  2268. 2:10:31 Unknown speaker what a great quality of life it is here,
  2269. 2:10:35 Unknown speaker um, that's why people have come. And
  2270. 2:10:38 Unknown speaker even though it has grown, that quality
  2271. 2:10:40 Unknown speaker of life stand that report has actually I
  2272. 2:10:44 Unknown speaker believe was really consistent. And so I
  2273. 2:10:47 Unknown speaker think that it shows that Longmont's
  2274. 2:10:49 Unknown speaker stomach the growth pretty well. Um
  2275. 2:10:52 Unknown speaker obviously with growth comes change. Uh
  2276. 2:10:54 Unknown speaker there's people that have been here for a
  2277. 2:10:55 Unknown speaker long time that maybe don't like some of
  2278. 2:10:58 Unknown speaker the elements of growth. I think the
  2279. 2:11:00 Unknown speaker character of the community has evolved,
  2280. 2:11:03 Unknown speaker but it hasn't deteriorated.
  2281. 2:11:06 Unknown speaker I appreciate that. Um, last question
  2282. 2:11:08 Unknown speaker here. We've had a lot of conversations
  2283. 2:11:09 Unknown speaker already on this council regarding this
  2284. 2:11:11 Unknown speaker project specifically and and some of the
  2285. 2:11:13 Unknown speaker traffic implications. We we just saw a
  2286. 2:11:15 Unknown speaker presentation from the community survey
  2287. 2:11:18 Unknown speaker results that cited traffic is one of the
  2288. 2:11:20 Unknown speaker top if not top kind of concerns. Um,
  2289. 2:11:24 Unknown speaker you know, I I am I am some I will I will
  2290. 2:11:26 Unknown speaker partially answer my question, then I'll
  2291. 2:11:28 Unknown speaker put it over to you for hopefully taking
  2292. 2:11:29 Unknown speaker it a step further. You know, one of the
  2293. 2:11:31 Unknown speaker ways to to slow the growth of traffic is
  2294. 2:11:35 Unknown speaker to build where other transit
  2295. 2:11:38 Unknown speaker opportunities are where you can walk to
  2296. 2:11:40 Unknown speaker commercial and you don't have to just
  2297. 2:11:41 Unknown speaker get in a car to get everywhere.
  2298. 2:11:42 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  2299. 2:11:43 Unknown speaker this is this is a tricky one because
  2300. 2:11:44 Unknown speaker it's at the northern gateway and so it's
  2301. 2:11:45 Unknown speaker not as inherently walkable even though
  2302. 2:11:47 Unknown speaker there I know you are building sidewalks
  2303. 2:11:49 Unknown speaker and you're connecting to trails, but
  2304. 2:11:50 Unknown speaker it's not inherently as walkable. How is
  2305. 2:11:52 Unknown speaker your team thinking about this? How's
  2306. 2:11:53 Unknown speaker your team thinking about mitigating the
  2307. 2:11:55 Unknown speaker traffic concerns because that directly
  2308. 2:11:57 Unknown speaker impacts people who live nearby um to
  2309. 2:12:00 Unknown speaker this and who drive through um already
  2310. 2:12:02 Unknown speaker and you know h how are you thinking
  2311. 2:12:05 Unknown speaker about traffic overall? How are you
  2312. 2:12:06 Unknown speaker thinking about the transportation flows
  2313. 2:12:07 Unknown speaker for your project? Um and maybe at since
  2314. 2:12:10 Unknown speaker since you have the both luxury and the
  2315. 2:12:13 Unknown speaker uh challenge blessing and curse of being
  2316. 2:12:15 Unknown speaker two sides of the same road here, how are
  2317. 2:12:17 Unknown speaker you thinking about the uh figurative
  2318. 2:12:19 Unknown speaker intersection of this from a
  2319. 2:12:20 Unknown speaker transportation standpoint?
  2320. 2:12:22 Unknown speaker Sure. So, I' I'd be interested to see
  2321. 2:12:24 Unknown speaker the the traffic complaints benchmarked
  2322. 2:12:26 Unknown speaker against other cities because I think
  2323. 2:12:28 Unknown speaker there's not a city in the country that
  2324. 2:12:30 Unknown speaker doesn't complain about traffic, big or
  2325. 2:12:31 Unknown speaker small. Um, I think one of the really
  2326. 2:12:34 Unknown speaker unique challenges to Longmont is the
  2327. 2:12:37 Unknown speaker flow of [snorts] human capital that I
  2328. 2:12:39 Unknown speaker talked about at the beginning where so
  2329. 2:12:41 Unknown speaker many of the residents of Longmont are
  2330. 2:12:43 Unknown speaker commuting out for their jobs and people
  2331. 2:12:46 Unknown speaker from outside of Longmont are commuting
  2332. 2:12:48 Unknown speaker in for their jobs. So, that's problem
  2333. 2:12:50 Unknown speaker one. Problem two is unfortunately we
  2334. 2:12:53 Unknown speaker find ourselves in the middle of a major
  2335. 2:12:56 Unknown speaker regional commute pattern. So, you know,
  2336. 2:12:58 Unknown speaker on this side of town, if people are
  2337. 2:13:01 Unknown speaker living in Berthid or Loveland because
  2338. 2:13:04 Unknown speaker it's more affordable, but still working
  2339. 2:13:07 Unknown speaker down in Boulder, there's a very
  2340. 2:13:10 Unknown speaker meaningful percentage of the traffic
  2341. 2:13:12 Unknown speaker that comes through Longmont that never
  2342. 2:13:14 Unknown speaker even stops here. Um, and so I think
  2343. 2:13:17 Unknown speaker creating more workforce housing and more
  2344. 2:13:21 Unknown speaker housing opportunities actually prevents
  2345. 2:13:24 Unknown speaker that pass through traffic from
  2346. 2:13:26 Unknown speaker happening. So I think a lot of the
  2347. 2:13:27 Unknown speaker people that want to live here if this
  2348. 2:13:29 Unknown speaker project isn't delivered probably end up
  2349. 2:13:32 Unknown speaker in Berth or in Loveland and they're
  2350. 2:13:34 Unknown speaker still driving on these roads whether
  2351. 2:13:36 Unknown speaker this project gets built or not. Um, and
  2352. 2:13:39 Unknown speaker so we do find ourselves on, you know, in
  2353. 2:13:42 Unknown speaker in a very a regional issue. And I know
  2354. 2:13:46 Unknown speaker that there's people that'll talk tonight
  2355. 2:13:48 Unknown speaker that have challenges with the
  2356. 2:13:49 Unknown speaker intersection of 287 and 66. And, you
  2357. 2:13:53 Unknown speaker know, it's definitely one of the poor
  2358. 2:13:55 Unknown speaker performing intersections. I think there
  2359. 2:13:57 Unknown speaker are some long-term regional um solutions
  2360. 2:14:00 Unknown speaker to just especially diverting some of
  2361. 2:14:03 Unknown speaker that regional pass through traffic, I'll
  2362. 2:14:06 Unknown speaker call it, uh around Longmont. Um
  2363. 2:14:09 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  2364. 2:14:10 Unknown speaker that's how we've been thinking about it.
  2365. 2:14:12 Unknown speaker I also think that the addition of the
  2366. 2:14:14 Unknown speaker stop light, it drops the speed limit
  2367. 2:14:16 Unknown speaker from 65 down to 45 um about a half mile
  2368. 2:14:21 Unknown speaker before that intersection. and by having
  2369. 2:14:24 Unknown speaker two lights before 66 starts to spread
  2370. 2:14:27 Unknown speaker out the traffic a little bit. Um Jeff
  2371. 2:14:29 Unknown speaker can talk a little bit more about the
  2372. 2:14:31 Unknown speaker exact traffic flows. Um he's here and
  2373. 2:14:33 Unknown speaker he's he's studied this intersection in
  2374. 2:14:35 Unknown speaker great detail. So
  2375. 2:14:36 Unknown speaker sure. My my last question goes a little
  2376. 2:14:38 Unknown speaker bit back to the the character and design
  2377. 2:14:40 Unknown speaker and I appreciate you bringing up the
  2378. 2:14:41 Unknown speaker Verow West project because um I I think
  2379. 2:14:43 Unknown speaker it is a good example of a two and
  2380. 2:14:45 Unknown speaker threetory uh development that kind of
  2381. 2:14:48 Unknown speaker has different design elements and and
  2382. 2:14:50 Unknown speaker layout basically that makes it more
  2383. 2:14:52 Unknown speaker breathable. Um, we talked a little bit
  2384. 2:14:54 Unknown speaker more about the continuous frontage um
  2385. 2:14:56 Unknown speaker and conditions specifically on the west
  2386. 2:14:58 Unknown speaker side of 287. We didn't really talk about
  2387. 2:15:00 Unknown speaker that for this one and I'm not about to
  2388. 2:15:02 Unknown speaker propose that specifically, but I wanted
  2389. 2:15:04 Unknown speaker to know for the higher density piece of
  2390. 2:15:06 Unknown speaker this on this side of 287. Should we
  2391. 2:15:09 Unknown speaker expect something closer like in the line
  2392. 2:15:11 Unknown speaker with Vera West? Are you thinking of a
  2393. 2:15:12 Unknown speaker different like how is your thinking
  2394. 2:15:14 Unknown speaker evolved on that for handling more dense
  2395. 2:15:16 Unknown speaker areas on this? because I'm a big I'm a
  2396. 2:15:19 Unknown speaker big believer that design shapes the
  2397. 2:15:22 Unknown speaker perception of density in a lot of
  2398. 2:15:23 Unknown speaker different ways.
  2399. 2:15:24 Unknown speaker You're absolutely right on that. You
  2400. 2:15:26 Unknown speaker know, interestingly, after um Councilman
  2401. 2:15:30 Unknown speaker Marcing introduced that 175 foot um span
  2402. 2:15:35 Unknown speaker limit on the
  2403. 2:15:38 Unknown speaker west side, we went back to our office
  2404. 2:15:40 Unknown speaker and I think some of us in this meeting,
  2405. 2:15:42 Unknown speaker I think you as well, wondered if that
  2406. 2:15:44 Unknown speaker was kind of an arbitrary number. It
  2407. 2:15:46 Unknown speaker definitely wasn't. I think he did his
  2408. 2:15:48 Unknown speaker homework on that. Um, and our team
  2409. 2:15:51 Unknown speaker looked at examples of buildings that
  2410. 2:15:53 Unknown speaker were bigger than 175 and also looked at
  2411. 2:15:56 Unknown speaker our portfolio and felt like, yeah, 175
  2412. 2:16:00 Unknown speaker is actually a really reasonable number.
  2413. 2:16:01 Unknown speaker Vera West is 145. Um,
  2414. 2:16:05 Unknown speaker eight banks of town houses.
  2415. 2:16:06 Unknown speaker Yeah, I went back and measured that one
  2416. 2:16:08 Unknown speaker as well. Yeah.
  2417. 2:16:08 Unknown speaker Yeah. Eight bank eight town houses is
  2418. 2:16:11 Unknown speaker going to land right around that 175. I
  2419. 2:16:14 Unknown speaker think that's probably the biggest you'd
  2420. 2:16:15 Unknown speaker want to make a a bank of row houses. So,
  2421. 2:16:18 Unknown speaker those are kind of two building masses
  2422. 2:16:20 Unknown speaker that we looked at to kind of say, does
  2423. 2:16:22 Unknown speaker that number make sense? I I think here,
  2424. 2:16:25 Unknown speaker you know, we'd love to hire a designer
  2425. 2:16:28 Unknown speaker similar to the one that the first in
  2426. 2:16:30 Unknown speaker Maine, we know Coburn well, um that can
  2427. 2:16:32 Unknown speaker come up with something that um
  2428. 2:16:36 Unknown speaker is different. I don't know what that is
  2429. 2:16:38 Unknown speaker yet, but there's brilliant minds out
  2430. 2:16:40 Unknown speaker there
  2431. 2:16:40 Unknown speaker and you're not required to at this point
  2432. 2:16:42 Unknown speaker in the process, but I really appreciate
  2433. 2:16:43 Unknown speaker you sharing that. Thank you.
  2434. 2:16:44 Unknown speaker Thanks. Uh, Council Member Kulker.
  2435. 2:16:47 Unknown speaker Thanks.
  2436. 2:16:47 Unknown speaker And don't sit down or is
  2437. 2:16:48 Unknown speaker No, don't sit down.
  2438. 2:16:49 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2439. 2:16:50 Unknown speaker Um, so since you do develop and own a
  2440. 2:16:53 Unknown speaker lot of property yourselves, how do you
  2441. 2:16:55 Unknown speaker all figure out rents with your
  2442. 2:16:56 Unknown speaker properties? And if if I were a tenant
  2443. 2:17:00 Unknown speaker looking at this one property, how are
  2444. 2:17:02 Unknown speaker you setting rent rants
  2445. 2:17:04 Unknown speaker for these properties? Can you explain
  2446. 2:17:06 Unknown speaker that? Yeah, I market rents have become
  2447. 2:17:09 Unknown speaker extremely transparent. Um, in the day
  2448. 2:17:12 Unknown speaker and age of the internet and especially
  2449. 2:17:15 Unknown speaker AI, uh, there's market reports that you
  2450. 2:17:18 Unknown speaker can generate about this fast to
  2451. 2:17:19 Unknown speaker understand what the rents are at every
  2452. 2:17:21 Unknown speaker single apartment building in Longmont.
  2453. 2:17:24 Unknown speaker And, you know, for better or worse, as
  2454. 2:17:27 Unknown speaker owners of properties, we're kind of
  2455. 2:17:28 Unknown speaker market takers. Do I need to give you my
  2456. 2:17:31 Unknown speaker information for you to tell me what the
  2457. 2:17:32 Unknown speaker rent is or is the rent published without
  2458. 2:17:35 Unknown speaker somebody having to
  2459. 2:17:37 Unknown speaker rent's published.
  2460. 2:17:38 Unknown speaker Rent's published.
  2461. 2:17:38 Unknown speaker And I mean there's a lot of
  2462. 2:17:40 Unknown speaker anti-discrimination laws. You can't
  2463. 2:17:42 Unknown speaker collect somebody's personal information
  2464. 2:17:44 Unknown speaker and then decide what you're going to
  2465. 2:17:45 Unknown speaker charge them.
  2466. 2:17:46 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you,
  2467. 2:17:48 Unknown speaker Council Member Christ.
  2468. 2:17:51 Unknown speaker And this is your second time.
  2469. 2:17:53 Unknown speaker You're just getting your steps in
  2470. 2:17:54 Unknown speaker tonight. Uh Chris, [laughter]
  2471. 2:17:57 Unknown speaker I I'm just wondering. I'm looking at
  2472. 2:17:58 Unknown speaker your original concept plan and the RTD
  2473. 2:18:01 Unknown speaker park and ride actually had more acres
  2474. 2:18:02 Unknown speaker attached to it um at 4.1 acres because
  2475. 2:18:06 Unknown speaker you mentioned that, you know, wasn't
  2476. 2:18:08 Unknown speaker quite big enough to have more to to
  2477. 2:18:10 Unknown speaker support a coffee truck or, you know,
  2478. 2:18:14 Unknown speaker some kind of amenities when people get
  2479. 2:18:16 Unknown speaker on and off the bus. I'm wondering if it
  2480. 2:18:17 Unknown speaker isn't more desirable even at the north
  2481. 2:18:20 Unknown speaker end if you keep more acreage attached to
  2482. 2:18:22 Unknown speaker that park and ride.
  2483. 2:18:27 Unknown speaker I mean, we're we're giving this land to
  2484. 2:18:29 Unknown speaker RTD. Um, to the extent they need more
  2485. 2:18:32 Unknown speaker and are kind of willing to engage in a
  2486. 2:18:35 Unknown speaker purchase of additional land, um, we'd
  2487. 2:18:38 Unknown speaker certainly be open to having the
  2488. 2:18:39 Unknown speaker conversation with them about that. Um, I
  2489. 2:18:42 Unknown speaker think 4 acres is, um, from what we
  2490. 2:18:45 Unknown speaker understand, they're they're going to
  2491. 2:18:46 Unknown speaker build this out in two phases. they don't
  2492. 2:18:48 Unknown speaker need all 150 250 parking stalls at the
  2493. 2:18:51 Unknown speaker outset and they're really they've kind
  2494. 2:18:53 Unknown speaker of grabbed enough land um to build for
  2495. 2:18:56 Unknown speaker the future. So I don't know that it's
  2496. 2:18:59 Unknown speaker necessary. I don't they've never asked
  2497. 2:19:01 Unknown speaker us for more land nor have they indicated
  2498. 2:19:03 Unknown speaker that they plan to build on all of it
  2499. 2:19:04 Unknown speaker immediately.
  2500. 2:19:06 Unknown speaker So whatever acreage you have you wanted
  2501. 2:19:07 Unknown speaker to collect rent. I mean you know you
  2502. 2:19:09 Unknown speaker want it to pay for itself which I
  2503. 2:19:11 Unknown speaker appreciate.
  2504. 2:19:12 Unknown speaker Yeah. [laughter]
  2505. 2:19:13 Unknown speaker But but I'm wondering if more ret retail
  2506. 2:19:15 Unknown speaker wouldn't help with that because you'd
  2507. 2:19:16 Unknown speaker have more parking and you would have
  2508. 2:19:18 Unknown speaker more um amenities for people without
  2509. 2:19:20 Unknown speaker having to give up more land. Um I I do
  2510. 2:19:24 Unknown speaker have a motion related to this, but I
  2511. 2:19:27 Unknown speaker assume you want to open the public
  2512. 2:19:28 Unknown speaker hearing first
  2513. 2:19:29 Unknown speaker to do public hearing.
  2514. 2:19:30 Unknown speaker Yeah. But thank you for letting us,
  2515. 2:19:32 Unknown speaker you know, feel around.
  2516. 2:19:34 Unknown speaker Absolutely.
  2517. 2:19:34 Unknown speaker Get a feel for the project.
  2518. 2:19:36 Unknown speaker Thanks. Uh, seeing no one else in the
  2519. 2:19:38 Unknown speaker queue, I will now open the public
  2520. 2:19:40 Unknown speaker hearing on ordinance 2026-23.
  2521. 2:19:46 Unknown speaker And we have Susan Felix. You'd like to
  2522. 2:19:50 Unknown speaker come down and speak.
  2523. 2:19:51 Unknown speaker And this is about the gateway project.
  2524. 2:19:53 Unknown speaker The This is about the east side. The the
  2525. 2:19:57 Unknown speaker east side.
  2526. 2:19:58 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have anyone in the audience
  2527. 2:20:00 Unknown speaker who would like to speak on the
  2528. 2:20:01 Unknown speaker development on the east side? Come on
  2529. 2:20:04 Unknown speaker down and please state your name.
  2530. 2:20:10 Unknown speaker Hi, my name is Robera Tanner. I live in
  2531. 2:20:12 Unknown speaker Willis Heights. Um I'm concerned about
  2532. 2:20:15 Unknown speaker the traffic on this west side and the
  2533. 2:20:18 Unknown speaker east side both. But
  2534. 2:20:21 Unknown speaker the um con the idea of bicycle riders
  2535. 2:20:24 Unknown speaker and walkers and all this has been thrown
  2536. 2:20:26 Unknown speaker out so many times. I'm a bicycle rider.
  2537. 2:20:28 Unknown speaker I love to ride my bike. Saturday I
  2538. 2:20:30 Unknown speaker almost got hit because of someone coming
  2539. 2:20:32 Unknown speaker out. Not someone. Several cars coming
  2540. 2:20:35 Unknown speaker out of Park Ridge from the east side
  2541. 2:20:39 Unknown speaker onto 287, not stopping when they were
  2542. 2:20:42 Unknown speaker supposed to. I had the little walk guy
  2543. 2:20:43 Unknown speaker and I waited for that and did what I was
  2544. 2:20:46 Unknown speaker supposed to do. Just about got hit. Um,
  2545. 2:20:49 Unknown speaker there's so much traffic at that
  2546. 2:20:51 Unknown speaker intersection of 287 and Highway 66 that
  2547. 2:20:54 Unknown speaker people are coming through the Willis
  2548. 2:20:56 Unknown speaker Heights neighborhood in order to turn
  2549. 2:20:58 Unknown speaker left and go north on Highway 287. But
  2550. 2:21:02 Unknown speaker the stop lights uh when Walmart Mart was
  2551. 2:21:06 Unknown speaker put in, they we they agreed that it
  2552. 2:21:07 Unknown speaker would be right and left turn only off of
  2553. 2:21:09 Unknown speaker Park Ridge from our neighborhood and
  2554. 2:21:10 Unknown speaker also from the Walmart side. But the stop
  2555. 2:21:14 Unknown speaker lights don't follow that. They turn
  2556. 2:21:17 Unknown speaker solid green for going through. And so
  2557. 2:21:20 Unknown speaker we've got traffic from this all these
  2558. 2:21:22 Unknown speaker apartments, which is fine, but they're
  2559. 2:21:24 Unknown speaker coming through our neighborhood. So I I
  2560. 2:21:27 Unknown speaker just thank you for considering all this
  2561. 2:21:29 Unknown speaker stuff and really think about this
  2562. 2:21:31 Unknown speaker traffic issue. It's huge. It's a big
  2563. 2:21:34 Unknown speaker it's a big has a big effect on lots of
  2564. 2:21:36 Unknown speaker people. That's all. Thank you.
  2565. 2:21:38 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um is there anyone else who
  2566. 2:21:41 Unknown speaker would like to speak? Okay, seeing none,
  2567. 2:21:43 Unknown speaker I will now close the public hearing. Um
  2568. 2:21:46 Unknown speaker and we do have a motion to be made. Um
  2569. 2:21:49 Unknown speaker Council Member Christ.
  2570. 2:21:51 Unknown speaker Yes. Um,
  2571. 2:21:54 Unknown speaker so for 2026-73,
  2572. 2:21:59 Unknown speaker I'm moved to deny the amendment and
  2573. 2:22:02 Unknown speaker maintain the existing concept plan, but
  2574. 2:22:05 Unknown speaker allow RTD to be moved to the north um to
  2575. 2:22:10 Unknown speaker allow for better signaling there.
  2576. 2:22:16 Unknown speaker Second, do we have a
  2577. 2:22:18 Unknown speaker Okay. Well, okay. Um,
  2578. 2:22:23 Unknown speaker okay. So, we have a motion to deny. Say
  2579. 2:22:26 Unknown speaker that. Can you hand that to me? Can you
  2580. 2:22:28 Unknown speaker hand me your language, please?
  2581. 2:22:32 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2582. 2:22:34 Unknown speaker Yeah, you sent it at uh 5:30. So, or 5.
  2583. 2:22:37 Unknown speaker So, it was very late. Um, okay. So, the
  2584. 2:22:40 Unknown speaker motion is to move to deny the amendment
  2585. 2:22:42 Unknown speaker and maintain the existing concept plan.
  2586. 2:22:44 Unknown speaker The motion was made by council member
  2587. 2:22:46 Unknown speaker Christ and seconded by council member
  2588. 2:22:48 Unknown speaker Marcine.
  2589. 2:22:49 Unknown speaker while allowing RTD to be moved to north.
  2590. 2:22:52 Unknown speaker Although, isn't it at the north right
  2591. 2:22:54 Unknown speaker now?
  2592. 2:22:55 Unknown speaker Oh, wait.
  2593. 2:22:57 Unknown speaker The existing concept plan has it located
  2594. 2:22:59 Unknown speaker in the south
  2595. 2:23:00 Unknown speaker south. Okay, never mind.
  2596. 2:23:02 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, go ahead, Council Member
  2597. 2:23:05 Unknown speaker Marcen.
  2598. 2:23:06 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Just a question for
  2599. 2:23:08 Unknown speaker staff. And I seconded because I agree
  2600. 2:23:11 Unknown speaker with the spirit and the intent of the
  2601. 2:23:12 Unknown speaker motion, but I am concerned that you
  2602. 2:23:15 Unknown speaker can't really do that. That you can't
  2603. 2:23:17 Unknown speaker really move one piece of a concept plan
  2604. 2:23:19 Unknown speaker while denying the concept plan
  2605. 2:23:20 Unknown speaker amendment. Am I correct in that?
  2606. 2:23:22 Unknown speaker That is correct.
  2607. 2:23:22 Unknown speaker Yeah. And so I'm going to withdraw my
  2608. 2:23:24 Unknown speaker second unfortunately, council member,
  2609. 2:23:26 Unknown speaker because I it's not I just I wanted to
  2610. 2:23:27 Unknown speaker ask the question, but I wanted So I'm
  2611. 2:23:29 Unknown speaker going to withdraw my second.
  2612. 2:23:30 Unknown speaker Okay. So, and I don't see anyone jumping
  2613. 2:23:35 Unknown speaker up for a second, so that dies for a lack
  2614. 2:23:37 Unknown speaker of second. Okay. Uh, do you have another
  2615. 2:23:39 Unknown speaker motion, Council Member Christ?
  2616. 2:23:45 Unknown speaker So, I'll just move to deny the amendment
  2617. 2:23:48 Unknown speaker on 2026-73
  2618. 2:23:51 Unknown speaker and then you can bring it back for to
  2619. 2:23:52 Unknown speaker move the RTD.
  2620. 2:23:57 Unknown speaker I don't hear anyone seconding that. So,
  2621. 2:23:59 Unknown speaker that dies for lack of second. Okay. So,
  2622. 2:24:04 Unknown speaker okay. So, do we have a motion to pass
  2623. 2:24:07 Unknown speaker and adopt ordinance 2026-73?
  2624. 2:24:11 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin.
  2625. 2:24:13 Unknown speaker I'll make a motion to approve the
  2626. 2:24:14 Unknown speaker ordinance.
  2627. 2:24:15 Unknown speaker Second.
  2628. 2:24:16 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made to
  2629. 2:24:18 Unknown speaker pass and adopt ordinance 2026-73.
  2630. 2:24:21 Unknown speaker The motion was made by Council Member
  2631. 2:24:22 Unknown speaker Popkins, seconded by Council Member
  2632. 2:24:24 Unknown speaker Colopper. Council member Marcy.
  2633. 2:24:27 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh, for the same
  2634. 2:24:28 Unknown speaker reasons that I was a no vote on first
  2635. 2:24:30 Unknown speaker reading, I'll be a no vote here. I I
  2636. 2:24:32 Unknown speaker didn't second Council Member Critz
  2637. 2:24:33 Unknown speaker motion specifically because we had this
  2638. 2:24:35 Unknown speaker discussion and we did exactly that on
  2639. 2:24:37 Unknown speaker first reading. I don't feel we need to
  2640. 2:24:38 Unknown speaker necessarily repeat that process, but I'm
  2641. 2:24:40 Unknown speaker I'm deeply skeptical of the need for the
  2642. 2:24:42 Unknown speaker change and the opening that creates for
  2643. 2:24:43 Unknown speaker extensive additional multif family on
  2644. 2:24:45 Unknown speaker both sides of 287 um when it could be a
  2645. 2:24:48 Unknown speaker regional center under the co under the
  2646. 2:24:50 Unknown speaker plan. So um once we So I'll be knowing
  2647. 2:24:53 Unknown speaker this. Thanks.
  2648. 2:24:54 Unknown speaker Thanks. Um council member Popkin,
  2649. 2:24:57 Unknown speaker I
  2650. 2:24:57 Unknown speaker I'll speak briefly on this. uh you know
  2651. 2:25:00 Unknown speaker I think we've heard about the site
  2652. 2:25:02 Unknown speaker history and the concept plan amendment
  2653. 2:25:03 Unknown speaker history uh extensively on this one and
  2654. 2:25:07 Unknown speaker uh you know I think this has been
  2655. 2:25:08 Unknown speaker pressure tested by the market for a
  2656. 2:25:10 Unknown speaker while and if if the commercial could
  2657. 2:25:14 Unknown speaker succeed and we know the impact of vacant
  2658. 2:25:16 Unknown speaker properties um in Longmont in terms of
  2659. 2:25:18 Unknown speaker our tax base we know the impact on
  2660. 2:25:20 Unknown speaker vacant properties in terms of um
  2661. 2:25:22 Unknown speaker perceived blight development foot
  2662. 2:25:24 Unknown speaker traffic on supporting our existing
  2663. 2:25:25 Unknown speaker businesses and and our and future
  2664. 2:25:27 Unknown speaker businesses um we're trying to solve some
  2665. 2:25:30 Unknown speaker of those problems in other ways and that
  2666. 2:25:32 Unknown speaker costs us money too and doesn't um allow
  2667. 2:25:35 Unknown speaker us to provide the same quality of
  2668. 2:25:37 Unknown speaker services to everyone who expects that.
  2669. 2:25:39 Unknown speaker Um you know if if the team has looked at
  2670. 2:25:42 Unknown speaker this they want this to succeed. I think
  2671. 2:25:44 Unknown speaker we should want this to succeed um as
  2672. 2:25:46 Unknown speaker well and be done as thoughtfully as as
  2673. 2:25:49 Unknown speaker is possible for a development up here.
  2674. 2:25:51 Unknown speaker Um that was part of the impetus behind
  2675. 2:25:53 Unknown speaker some of the questions I asked. Um you
  2676. 2:25:55 Unknown speaker know what helps businesses succeed? Foot
  2677. 2:25:57 Unknown speaker traffic. what helps other primary
  2678. 2:25:59 Unknown speaker employers succeed, a workforce that can
  2679. 2:26:01 Unknown speaker live locally here. You know, those are
  2680. 2:26:03 Unknown speaker those are real challenges that we are
  2681. 2:26:05 Unknown speaker facing, especially in the affordability
  2682. 2:26:07 Unknown speaker challenges that we are facing more
  2683. 2:26:08 Unknown speaker broadly as a state and as a country. And
  2684. 2:26:10 Unknown speaker and I think this is an opportunity where
  2685. 2:26:13 Unknown speaker we have to um hopefully quite tastefully
  2686. 2:26:16 Unknown speaker um improve the northern gateway to
  2687. 2:26:18 Unknown speaker Longmont lot and provide options for uh
  2688. 2:26:21 Unknown speaker workforce housing for people to support
  2689. 2:26:23 Unknown speaker our businesses and hopefully you know
  2690. 2:26:25 Unknown speaker address a number of existing uh traffic
  2691. 2:26:29 Unknown speaker concerns and transportation connectivity
  2692. 2:26:30 Unknown speaker issues um while we improve it for future
  2693. 2:26:33 Unknown speaker generations. So, um I I certainly hope
  2694. 2:26:35 Unknown speaker we will um think think about kind of our
  2695. 2:26:38 Unknown speaker votes here and uh the the work that's
  2696. 2:26:41 Unknown speaker gone into this and the RTD uh north
  2697. 2:26:44 Unknown speaker terminus here that's part of this whole
  2698. 2:26:46 Unknown speaker effort.
  2699. 2:26:46 Unknown speaker Thank you. Uh Council Member Coloffer.
  2700. 2:26:50 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um I also echo some of
  2701. 2:26:53 Unknown speaker what Council Member Puckin said. Um this
  2702. 2:26:56 Unknown speaker area is hard for businesses because
  2703. 2:26:57 Unknown speaker Walmart has put their thumb on the scale
  2704. 2:27:00 Unknown speaker of what can and can't go there. So, it's
  2705. 2:27:02 Unknown speaker not like it's a free and open market for
  2706. 2:27:04 Unknown speaker all businesses to go. There's certain
  2707. 2:27:06 Unknown speaker retailers that can't go there. That
  2708. 2:27:08 Unknown speaker starts to limit the pool of of what can
  2709. 2:27:10 Unknown speaker go there. I also am excited about the
  2710. 2:27:13 Unknown speaker the park and ride for RTD. This has been
  2711. 2:27:16 Unknown speaker a long time in in the works with RTD and
  2712. 2:27:19 Unknown speaker for us to move on transportation first
  2713. 2:27:21 Unknown speaker and then housing, that is unheard of.
  2714. 2:27:23 Unknown speaker Also, with all of the excitement that
  2715. 2:27:25 Unknown speaker we're hearing from the airport bus, this
  2716. 2:27:28 Unknown speaker is going to be a connection for folks in
  2717. 2:27:30 Unknown speaker the north to be able to take this new
  2718. 2:27:32 Unknown speaker asset to the airport. Um, so I'm excited
  2719. 2:27:34 Unknown speaker for this transportation, but I also do
  2720. 2:27:37 Unknown speaker see some challenges with this
  2721. 2:27:38 Unknown speaker intersection. I am pulling up a Google
  2722. 2:27:40 Unknown speaker Street View. Um, back in 2019, there are
  2723. 2:27:43 Unknown speaker arrows that indicate that you can turn
  2724. 2:27:45 Unknown speaker left and only right. If you look at now,
  2725. 2:27:47 Unknown speaker those arrows are kind of faded, so I'd
  2726. 2:27:49 Unknown speaker like our staff to take a look at those
  2727. 2:27:51 Unknown speaker as well. But I am excited for this
  2728. 2:27:53 Unknown speaker development because of the
  2729. 2:27:54 Unknown speaker transportation uh link to the north and
  2730. 2:27:56 Unknown speaker also the other connectivities from Estus
  2731. 2:27:59 Unknown speaker Park for Collins to make this a regional
  2732. 2:28:01 Unknown speaker hub.
  2733. 2:28:02 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um yeah, and then Jim,
  2734. 2:28:06 Unknown speaker would you need a motion from council
  2735. 2:28:08 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2736. 2:28:09 Unknown speaker to look into those lights? I know some
  2737. 2:28:11 Unknown speaker of our changes we can look at really
  2738. 2:28:13 Unknown speaker easy and make those changes. So, thank
  2739. 2:28:15 Unknown speaker you for bringing bringing that up as
  2740. 2:28:17 Unknown speaker well. You know, if we don't live that,
  2741. 2:28:18 Unknown speaker we don't see that. So, I appreciate
  2742. 2:28:21 Unknown speaker that. Um, bringing that to light,
  2743. 2:28:23 Unknown speaker Council Member Christ.
  2744. 2:28:26 Unknown speaker Well, thank you, Mayor. And, um, [sighs]
  2745. 2:28:33 Unknown speaker well,
  2746. 2:28:35 Unknown speaker I guess what I want to talk about is the
  2747. 2:28:37 Unknown speaker idea that you have to have foot traffic
  2748. 2:28:39 Unknown speaker to have um a thriving business. And one
  2749. 2:28:43 Unknown speaker of the examples um to show that it's the
  2750. 2:28:46 Unknown speaker reverse is um the North Side Safeway
  2751. 2:28:49 Unknown speaker which we uh filled with Vasa. It was
  2752. 2:28:51 Unknown speaker something that I worked on and I did
  2753. 2:28:54 Unknown speaker worry about foot traffic. So I'm not
  2754. 2:28:55 Unknown speaker minimizing that because it is a concern
  2755. 2:28:58 Unknown speaker and I thought we may need to do
  2756. 2:29:00 Unknown speaker something else to increase the foot
  2757. 2:29:01 Unknown speaker traffic there. However, they create so
  2758. 2:29:04 Unknown speaker much foot traffic that all the units in
  2759. 2:29:07 Unknown speaker that side are full now where it was
  2760. 2:29:09 Unknown speaker really um quite sketchy for a while
  2761. 2:29:11 Unknown speaker whether they were going to succeed. I I
  2762. 2:29:13 Unknown speaker just want to point out that business
  2763. 2:29:14 Unknown speaker development is what I do for a living
  2764. 2:29:17 Unknown speaker and and I know this is going to change
  2765. 2:29:20 Unknown speaker out there. A lot of people north of 66
  2766. 2:29:24 Unknown speaker are kind of isolated from the city. I I
  2767. 2:29:27 Unknown speaker deal with this too on my side of town.
  2768. 2:29:29 Unknown speaker and I'm on the northeast side and they
  2769. 2:29:31 Unknown speaker need more places to be able to shop,
  2770. 2:29:35 Unknown speaker places to be able to eat without having
  2771. 2:29:37 Unknown speaker to drive all the way through town.
  2772. 2:29:40 Unknown speaker They just need a community out there.
  2773. 2:29:43 Unknown speaker And I I know if you live in Willis
  2774. 2:29:45 Unknown speaker Heights, you know, you can't even get
  2775. 2:29:46 Unknown speaker food delivered out there often.
  2776. 2:29:48 Unknown speaker Sometimes you can kind of get some guys
  2777. 2:29:51 Unknown speaker to, you know, the to bring a Chinese
  2778. 2:29:53 Unknown speaker order out to you. I know that how that
  2779. 2:29:55 Unknown speaker works. But um
  2780. 2:29:58 Unknown speaker unless signal's bad.
  2781. 2:30:00 Unknown speaker I know. I know. But also to the
  2782. 2:30:02 Unknown speaker developer, I think, you know, putting
  2783. 2:30:04 Unknown speaker more signaling out there super impactful
  2784. 2:30:08 Unknown speaker to safety for 287. So, I just want to
  2785. 2:30:11 Unknown speaker appreciate all that you're trying to do
  2786. 2:30:12 Unknown speaker and I understand it has to pay for
  2787. 2:30:14 Unknown speaker itself. I do understand, but um to be
  2788. 2:30:17 Unknown speaker continued.
  2789. 2:30:18 Unknown speaker Okay. Um Mayor Prom.
  2790. 2:30:21 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um,
  2791. 2:30:24 Unknown speaker no, I'm talking.
  2792. 2:30:25 Unknown speaker So, um, thanks.
  2793. 2:30:28 Unknown speaker So, uh, uh, this is a work in progress
  2794. 2:30:32 Unknown speaker and there are some positive things, uh,
  2795. 2:30:34 Unknown speaker the, uh, traffic signal, the RTD parking
  2796. 2:30:37 Unknown speaker ride, the the, uh, I understand to uh,
  2797. 2:30:42 Unknown speaker what, uh, council member Cole Coffer was
  2798. 2:30:44 Unknown speaker pointing out, you know, how the thumb is
  2799. 2:30:47 Unknown speaker on the scale from Walmarts. We've seen
  2800. 2:30:49 Unknown speaker that in other parts of town in regards
  2801. 2:30:51 Unknown speaker to um uh the situation down on Nelson
  2802. 2:30:55 Unknown speaker and Hoverver uh that area. So, I think
  2803. 2:30:59 Unknown speaker we're going to get opportunities to to
  2804. 2:31:01 Unknown speaker see what this is all about. I I think uh
  2805. 2:31:05 Unknown speaker it's a somewhat of a blank canvas. We we
  2806. 2:31:07 Unknown speaker talk about these possible uh larger u uh
  2807. 2:31:15 Unknown speaker unit sort of developments. I'm not
  2808. 2:31:18 Unknown speaker certain that that's that's going to be
  2809. 2:31:20 Unknown speaker the case here. I think that's something
  2810. 2:31:22 Unknown speaker we're we're going to uh have to look at.
  2811. 2:31:25 Unknown speaker I I think it's going to have to be a uh
  2812. 2:31:28 Unknown speaker right fit situation here. I think that
  2813. 2:31:31 Unknown speaker traffic signal is the thing that is is
  2814. 2:31:34 Unknown speaker helping me get across the line here. uh
  2815. 2:31:37 Unknown speaker because I think that does slow it down
  2816. 2:31:40 Unknown speaker from the speeds that I see on uh 287
  2817. 2:31:44 Unknown speaker coming into town and making things kind
  2818. 2:31:46 Unknown speaker of uh difficult for anybody trying to
  2819. 2:31:48 Unknown speaker cross the road and just kind of
  2820. 2:31:50 Unknown speaker dangerous intersection at 287 and 66.
  2821. 2:31:53 Unknown speaker So, for now, I'm in support of this.
  2822. 2:31:57 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you. Seeing no one
  2823. 2:31:59 Unknown speaker else in the queue, let's go ahead and
  2824. 2:32:00 Unknown speaker vote.
  2825. 2:32:08 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2826. 2:32:10 Unknown speaker I didn't get a chance to vote.
  2827. 2:32:11 Unknown speaker Oh, that's why I was like, what does
  2828. 2:32:13 Unknown speaker that blue mean?
  2829. 2:32:17 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries 4 to two with um
  2830. 2:32:21 Unknown speaker council members Christ and Marcine in
  2831. 2:32:23 Unknown speaker opposition. And um before we go on to
  2832. 2:32:26 Unknown speaker item C, do we need a five 10 minute five
  2833. 2:32:30 Unknown speaker minute break?
  2834. 2:32:31 Unknown speaker Sure. Do we need Okay, I heard I heard a
  2835. 2:32:33 Unknown speaker sure. So, staff, are you all
  2836. 2:32:37 Unknown speaker five? It's up to you all.
  2837. 2:32:39 Unknown speaker Oh, okay.
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  2840. 2:32:43 Unknown speaker Yeah, let's take a five.
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  2888. 2:44:14 Unknown speaker This is what I use for students.
  2889. 2:44:23 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2890. 2:44:25 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we are now on to item C. Um,
  2891. 2:44:30 Unknown speaker council member Christ, thank you.
  2892. 2:44:32 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2893. 2:44:33 Unknown speaker Sorry. Um, item C, resolution 2026-80,
  2894. 2:44:38 Unknown speaker a resolution finding a parcel of land
  2895. 2:44:41 Unknown speaker known as the Longmont Gateway, uh,
  2896. 2:44:43 Unknown speaker Northwest Annexation, generally located
  2897. 2:44:46 Unknown speaker at northwest corner of US Highway 27 and
  2898. 2:44:49 Unknown speaker Park Ridge Avenue within the southwest
  2899. 2:44:52 Unknown speaker quarter of section 22, Township 3 North,
  2900. 2:44:55 Unknown speaker range 68 West, eligible for annexation.
  2901. 2:45:00 Unknown speaker That was a mouthful. So, do we have
  2902. 2:45:04 Unknown speaker Kristen, do we have a presentation or
  2903. 2:45:06 Unknown speaker I I do not have a presentation this
  2904. 2:45:08 Unknown speaker evening in reference to that.
  2905. 2:45:09 Unknown speaker So, do we have any questions from
  2906. 2:45:12 Unknown speaker council on this item?
  2907. 2:45:16 Unknown speaker Council member Koffer,
  2908. 2:45:20 Unknown speaker can staff just explain how we're going
  2909. 2:45:22 Unknown speaker to be doing these and which is what
  2910. 2:45:24 Unknown speaker vote, just so everybody is clear of what
  2911. 2:45:26 Unknown speaker we're voting on in what order.
  2912. 2:45:34 Unknown speaker Certainly. So, this um application that
  2913. 2:45:37 Unknown speaker was opened is the second resolution of
  2914. 2:45:39 Unknown speaker statutory compliance. It's a required
  2915. 2:45:41 Unknown speaker step by the Colorado Annexation Act of
  2916. 2:45:43 Unknown speaker 1965.
  2917. 2:45:45 Unknown speaker And that would be what this is in
  2918. 2:45:47 Unknown speaker reference to the annexation concept plan
  2919. 2:45:49 Unknown speaker zoning is further down the agenda than
  2920. 2:45:51 Unknown speaker this. So, that would be what this one
  2921. 2:45:52 Unknown speaker is.
  2922. 2:45:53 Unknown speaker Okay. And this is just to determine
  2923. 2:45:55 Unknown speaker eligibility for annexation so that it
  2924. 2:45:58 Unknown speaker met all the criteria. Um so seeing no
  2925. 2:46:01 Unknown speaker questions from um council, I will now
  2926. 2:46:05 Unknown speaker open the public hearing on ordinance
  2927. 2:46:07 Unknown speaker 2026-
  2928. 2:46:09 Unknown speaker 80 and this is for um eligibility
  2929. 2:46:14 Unknown speaker criteria for annexation. So I do have a
  2930. 2:46:17 Unknown speaker list but okay so this was the one where
  2931. 2:46:20 Unknown speaker it was all chunked items 10 C 10D 10E
  2932. 2:46:27 Unknown speaker then so folks that signed up are signing
  2933. 2:46:29 Unknown speaker up for either 10 C 10D or 10E. Um if we
  2934. 2:46:34 Unknown speaker did public hearing now they can speak on
  2935. 2:46:38 Unknown speaker any one of those three options. That is
  2936. 2:46:40 Unknown speaker my understanding of this. Is that your
  2937. 2:46:43 Unknown speaker interpretation as well? Uh Barry, you
  2938. 2:46:46 Unknown speaker could do that. This is a resolution of
  2939. 2:46:48 Unknown speaker statutory compliance, more of a
  2940. 2:46:49 Unknown speaker ministerial. Um maybe council could act
  2941. 2:46:52 Unknown speaker on the resolution without a public
  2942. 2:46:54 Unknown speaker hearing and then considered the two
  2943. 2:46:56 Unknown speaker ordinances together the public hearing.
  2944. 2:46:59 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2945. 2:47:00 Unknown speaker I mean, it does make sense. I just
  2946. 2:47:01 Unknown speaker wanted to make sure we're not in
  2947. 2:47:02 Unknown speaker violation of any of our rules by not
  2948. 2:47:06 Unknown speaker having the public hearing now. Um okay.
  2949. 2:47:10 Unknown speaker So then these items. So we'll just go
  2950. 2:47:12 Unknown speaker ahead and um look at resolution the
  2951. 2:47:15 Unknown speaker eligibility for annexation piece
  2952. 2:47:20 Unknown speaker and we'll vote on this one and then um
  2953. 2:47:22 Unknown speaker we'll go through the public hearing
  2954. 2:47:24 Unknown speaker process for D and E together. Um Council
  2955. 2:47:27 Unknown speaker Member Christ.
  2956. 2:47:28 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I move resolution
  2957. 2:47:31 Unknown speaker 2026-80
  2958. 2:47:33 Unknown speaker finding that the land is eligible for
  2959. 2:47:36 Unknown speaker annexation.
  2960. 2:47:37 Unknown speaker Okay. Do I have a second? Second.
  2961. 2:47:39 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the U motion has been made by
  2962. 2:47:42 Unknown speaker Council Member Chris to pass and adopt
  2963. 2:47:43 Unknown speaker resolution 2026-80,
  2964. 2:47:46 Unknown speaker seconded by Council Member Popkin. Um,
  2965. 2:47:48 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin.
  2966. 2:47:50 Unknown speaker Yeah. Um, thanks, Mayor. I just wanted
  2967. 2:47:52 Unknown speaker to very plain language clarify what's
  2968. 2:47:53 Unknown speaker happening here. So, because there are
  2969. 2:47:55 Unknown speaker three different items on this project,
  2970. 2:47:57 Unknown speaker the first one that we're talking about
  2971. 2:47:59 Unknown speaker right now is purely a resolution uh
  2972. 2:48:01 Unknown speaker stating that the annexation if approved
  2973. 2:48:04 Unknown speaker in the next items, it complies with
  2974. 2:48:06 Unknown speaker state law. It is not actually speaking
  2975. 2:48:08 Unknown speaker to the specific project at this point. I
  2976. 2:48:10 Unknown speaker mean, it is the specific project, but
  2977. 2:48:11 Unknown speaker it's not the application.
  2978. 2:48:14 Unknown speaker It's just is it eligible or not? That is
  2979. 2:48:16 Unknown speaker what we're voting on currently. Just
  2980. 2:48:17 Unknown speaker wanted to make that clear for folks.
  2981. 2:48:19 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah. And [clears throat] I think
  2982. 2:48:20 Unknown speaker Eugene and I both said that as well. But
  2983. 2:48:23 Unknown speaker thank you. Okay. Let's go ahead and
  2984. 2:48:24 Unknown speaker vote.
  2985. 2:48:30 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  2986. 2:48:32 Unknown speaker are now on to item 10 D.
  2987. 2:48:38 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, ordinance 2026-75,
  2988. 2:48:41 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance conditionally
  2989. 2:48:42 Unknown speaker approving the Longmont Gateway
  2990. 2:48:44 Unknown speaker Northwest, generally located at the
  2991. 2:48:46 Unknown speaker northwest corner of US Highway 20, uh,
  2992. 2:48:49 Unknown speaker 287 and Park Ridge Avenue within the
  2993. 2:48:51 Unknown speaker southwest quarter of section 22,
  2994. 2:48:54 Unknown speaker Township 3 North, Range 68 West,
  2995. 2:48:57 Unknown speaker comprehensive land use uh, plan
  2996. 2:49:00 Unknown speaker amendment.
  2997. 2:49:02 Unknown speaker Christa Cody, senior planner, planning
  2998. 2:49:04 Unknown speaker and development services. Thank you,
  2999. 2:49:06 Unknown speaker mayor and councel. This item is the
  3000. 2:49:09 Unknown speaker Longmont Gateway Northwest Envision Land
  3001. 2:49:11 Unknown speaker Use Amendment.
  3002. 2:49:14 Unknown speaker So, this property is located west of US
  3003. 2:49:16 Unknown speaker 287 northwest of Parkridge Avenue and
  3004. 2:49:19 Unknown speaker north of State Highway 66. It is
  3005. 2:49:22 Unknown speaker approximately 26.11 acres in
  3006. 2:49:24 Unknown speaker unincorporated Boulder County. that has
  3007. 2:49:27 Unknown speaker there are existing residential
  3008. 2:49:28 Unknown speaker neighborhoods to the west and south,
  3009. 2:49:32 Unknown speaker permanently preserved Boulder County
  3010. 2:49:34 Unknown speaker open space to the north and US 287 to
  3011. 2:49:37 Unknown speaker the east. This is primarily a vacant
  3012. 2:49:40 Unknown speaker piece of property with [clears throat]
  3013. 2:49:42 Unknown speaker agricultural land and an existing
  3014. 2:49:44 Unknown speaker farmhouse and some agricultural
  3015. 2:49:46 Unknown speaker outbuildings.
  3016. 2:49:48 Unknown speaker So this shows the current designation in
  3017. 2:49:51 Unknown speaker vision envision Longmont and the
  3018. 2:49:52 Unknown speaker proposed. Currently in Envision
  3019. 2:49:54 Unknown speaker Longmont, this is designated single
  3020. 2:49:56 Unknown speaker family and the applicant is asking
  3021. 2:49:59 Unknown speaker council to consider a mixed neighborhood
  3022. 2:50:00 Unknown speaker designation.
  3023. 2:50:05 Unknown speaker This imagery presented to you is the US
  3024. 2:50:07 Unknown speaker 287 corridor land use zoning map. It
  3025. 2:50:11 Unknown speaker shows at the very top of the screen the
  3026. 2:50:13 Unknown speaker subject property with the star just for
  3027. 2:50:15 Unknown speaker context and the entirety of the zoning
  3028. 2:50:18 Unknown speaker along the 287 corridor. There is one
  3029. 2:50:21 Unknown speaker existing single family residential
  3030. 2:50:23 Unknown speaker development on 287 on the southern
  3031. 2:50:26 Unknown speaker portion.
  3032. 2:50:29 Unknown speaker So the US 287 corridor land use and
  3033. 2:50:31 Unknown speaker zoning context. This is a regional
  3034. 2:50:33 Unknown speaker transportation corridor. It's a major
  3035. 2:50:35 Unknown speaker north south transportation corridor. The
  3036. 2:50:38 Unknown speaker existing development plan pattern
  3037. 2:50:40 Unknown speaker includes commercial and mixeduse areas
  3038. 2:50:42 Unknown speaker with residential neighborhoods adjoining
  3039. 2:50:44 Unknown speaker portions of the corridor.
  3040. 2:50:46 Unknown speaker As I spoke of previously, there's that
  3041. 2:50:49 Unknown speaker southern single family area that is um
  3042. 2:50:52 Unknown speaker the Southmore Park 4th edition which is
  3043. 2:50:55 Unknown speaker developed in the 1970s
  3044. 2:50:57 Unknown speaker and land use transition. The proposed
  3045. 2:51:01 Unknown speaker mixed neighborhood designation supports
  3046. 2:51:03 Unknown speaker a range of housing options near the
  3047. 2:51:04 Unknown speaker corridor while allowing lower inensity
  3048. 2:51:06 Unknown speaker development to transition towards
  3049. 2:51:09 Unknown speaker neighborhoods.
  3050. 2:51:12 Unknown speaker This is a comparison of the land use
  3051. 2:51:13 Unknown speaker designation. So the single family
  3052. 2:51:15 Unknown speaker neighborhood designation only allows for
  3053. 2:51:17 Unknown speaker single family detached homes with a
  3054. 2:51:20 Unknown speaker density of 1 to eight dwelling units per
  3055. 2:51:22 Unknown speaker acre. Accessory uses include parks,
  3056. 2:51:25 Unknown speaker schools, gardens, and places of worship.
  3057. 2:51:28 Unknown speaker And it's primary primarily residential
  3058. 2:51:30 Unknown speaker in character. Mixed neighborhood allows
  3059. 2:51:32 Unknown speaker for a broader broader range of housing
  3060. 2:51:34 Unknown speaker types and densities which include single
  3061. 2:51:36 Unknown speaker family attached and detached. The
  3062. 2:51:39 Unknown speaker density is 6 to 18 dwelling units per
  3063. 2:51:41 Unknown speaker acre. This includes allowances for
  3064. 2:51:44 Unknown speaker smaller lot detached homes, duplexes,
  3065. 2:51:47 Unknown speaker triplexes, town homes, and smaller
  3066. 2:51:48 Unknown speaker multifamily housing. May also serve
  3067. 2:51:51 Unknown speaker neighborhoods serving retail, public
  3068. 2:51:53 Unknown speaker services, parks, schools, and
  3069. 2:51:54 Unknown speaker recreation.
  3070. 2:51:57 Unknown speaker So compatibility and neighborhood
  3071. 2:51:58 Unknown speaker transition. This project proposes
  3072. 2:52:02 Unknown speaker compatibility in reference to the
  3073. 2:52:04 Unknown speaker existing single family neighborhoods by
  3074. 2:52:07 Unknown speaker proposing lower intensity adjacent to
  3075. 2:52:10 Unknown speaker existing neighborhoods with
  3076. 2:52:12 Unknown speaker transitioning to higher intensity
  3077. 2:52:13 Unknown speaker towards US 287.
  3078. 2:52:16 Unknown speaker So compatibility with adjacent
  3079. 2:52:18 Unknown speaker neighborhoods is evaluated through
  3080. 2:52:19 Unknown speaker future applications and will include
  3081. 2:52:21 Unknown speaker detailed buffering, circulation, and
  3082. 2:52:23 Unknown speaker design review at later stages.
  3083. 2:52:28 Unknown speaker Envision Longmont framework. So this is
  3084. 2:52:31 Unknown speaker identified as an area of change in
  3085. 2:52:33 Unknown speaker Envision Longmont. Areas of change are
  3086. 2:52:35 Unknown speaker locations where future growth may be
  3087. 2:52:37 Unknown speaker desirable or beneficial to the
  3088. 2:52:39 Unknown speaker community. Envision Longmont supports a
  3089. 2:52:41 Unknown speaker mix of housing types and corridor
  3090. 2:52:43 Unknown speaker oriented development patterns. Future
  3091. 2:52:45 Unknown speaker growth is anticipated to occur through
  3092. 2:52:47 Unknown speaker infill and redevelopment opportunities.
  3093. 2:52:49 Unknown speaker and much of the future growth in
  3094. 2:52:51 Unknown speaker Longmont over the next 10 to 20 years is
  3095. 2:52:53 Unknown speaker anticipated to incur in areas of change.
  3096. 2:52:58 Unknown speaker This is the review criteria for all
  3097. 2:53:00 Unknown speaker application types which this must be
  3098. 2:53:02 Unknown speaker evaluated in reference to the
  3099. 2:53:03 Unknown speaker application. Again, it cons includes
  3100. 2:53:06 Unknown speaker consistency with the comp plan,
  3101. 2:53:07 Unknown speaker compliance with city standards,
  3102. 2:53:09 Unknown speaker compatibility with surrounding
  3103. 2:53:11 Unknown speaker properties, impacts to surrounding
  3104. 2:53:13 Unknown speaker properties, and an appropriate
  3105. 2:53:14 Unknown speaker transportation plan.
  3106. 2:53:18 Unknown speaker So in reference to comprehensive plan
  3107. 2:53:20 Unknown speaker amendments, comprehensive
  3108. 2:53:22 Unknown speaker [clears throat] plan amendments need not
  3109. 2:53:23 Unknown speaker be consistent with existing
  3110. 2:53:25 Unknown speaker comprehensive plan but must serve the
  3111. 2:53:27 Unknown speaker best interest of the city and that's in
  3112. 2:53:30 Unknown speaker accordance with the LDC section
  3113. 2:53:34 Unknown speaker 1502060B3
  3114. 2:53:38 Unknown speaker review criteria housing needs assessment
  3115. 2:53:40 Unknown speaker and market study. So the 2023 housing
  3116. 2:53:43 Unknown speaker need assessment identified a significant
  3117. 2:53:45 Unknown speaker deficit deficit in m missing middle
  3118. 2:53:48 Unknown speaker housing.
  3119. 2:53:49 Unknown speaker Envision Longmont supports a broader
  3120. 2:53:51 Unknown speaker range and mix of housing types and
  3121. 2:53:53 Unknown speaker improved housing access. The market
  3122. 2:53:55 Unknown speaker study um submitted with this application
  3123. 2:53:58 Unknown speaker identified higher density residential
  3124. 2:54:00 Unknown speaker residential development as the strongest
  3125. 2:54:02 Unknown speaker near-term market fit for the site. The
  3126. 2:54:05 Unknown speaker study considered housing demand, land
  3127. 2:54:07 Unknown speaker supply constraints, and retail market
  3128. 2:54:09 Unknown speaker conditions.
  3129. 2:54:12 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission meeting.
  3130. 2:54:14 Unknown speaker So this application was heard by the
  3131. 2:54:15 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission on May
  3132. 2:54:17 Unknown speaker 20th, 2026. There was conversation
  3133. 2:54:21 Unknown speaker in um reference to traffic congestion,
  3134. 2:54:24 Unknown speaker increased density, utilities, drainage,
  3135. 2:54:26 Unknown speaker infrastructure, wildlife views, open
  3136. 2:54:29 Unknown speaker land and neighborhood character
  3137. 2:54:31 Unknown speaker buffering and relationship between
  3138. 2:54:33 Unknown speaker future development nearby homes. This
  3139. 2:54:36 Unknown speaker was recommended for conditional approval
  3140. 2:54:37 Unknown speaker with a vote of 43 by the planning
  3141. 2:54:39 Unknown speaker commission.
  3142. 2:54:43 Unknown speaker So the commission the recommended
  3143. 2:54:45 Unknown speaker commission from the planning commission
  3144. 2:54:47 Unknown speaker it states that the applicant shall
  3145. 2:54:48 Unknown speaker identify the future rough and ready
  3146. 2:54:50 Unknown speaker greenway trail connection on all
  3147. 2:54:51 Unknown speaker applicable future land use concept plan
  3148. 2:54:54 Unknown speaker and circulation exhibits associated with
  3149. 2:54:56 Unknown speaker the project subject to final alignment
  3150. 2:54:58 Unknown speaker and design by the review and design and
  3151. 2:55:00 Unknown speaker review by the city.
  3152. 2:55:05 Unknown speaker So the planning commission
  3153. 2:55:06 Unknown speaker recommendation as I previously said with
  3154. 2:55:08 Unknown speaker a vote of four to three was a
  3155. 2:55:09 Unknown speaker conditional approval and tonight the
  3156. 2:55:11 Unknown speaker council has the options before them
  3157. 2:55:12 Unknown speaker tonight to approve approve with
  3158. 2:55:14 Unknown speaker conditions or deny the application.
  3159. 2:55:17 Unknown speaker Thank you very much. That concludes my
  3160. 2:55:19 Unknown speaker presentation and
  3161. 2:55:22 Unknown speaker do we have an applicant presentation?
  3162. 2:55:24 Unknown speaker I can bring that back up.
  3163. 2:55:26 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3164. 2:55:30 Unknown speaker Do you want me to
  3165. 2:55:32 Unknown speaker Yep.
  3166. 2:55:36 Unknown speaker Thank you. Again, my name for the
  3167. 2:55:37 Unknown speaker record, Chris Neils from ACTIS.
  3168. 2:55:40 Unknown speaker I will keep our remarks on this uh
  3169. 2:55:42 Unknown speaker fairly brief. I know you guys all really
  3170. 2:55:44 Unknown speaker understand the project quite well. Um
  3171. 2:55:47 Unknown speaker the intent of this project is to change
  3172. 2:55:50 Unknown speaker it into a mixed density neighborhood.
  3173. 2:55:53 Unknown speaker Again, really focused on that missing
  3174. 2:55:55 Unknown speaker middle housing. Um I think our vision
  3175. 2:55:58 Unknown speaker for this is a transition of density from
  3176. 2:56:01 Unknown speaker west and south towards the north and
  3177. 2:56:04 Unknown speaker east. Um transitioning the density away
  3178. 2:56:07 Unknown speaker from the existing neighborhood um to
  3179. 2:56:10 Unknown speaker make it more compatible. Um focusing a
  3180. 2:56:13 Unknown speaker little bit more of the higher density on
  3181. 2:56:15 Unknown speaker the highway. I think in our last meeting
  3182. 2:56:17 Unknown speaker we talked a little bit just about how
  3183. 2:56:20 Unknown speaker density is necessary to kind of make the
  3184. 2:56:24 Unknown speaker um feasibility of bringing in the
  3185. 2:56:25 Unknown speaker horizontal improvements. I think Harold,
  3186. 2:56:27 Unknown speaker you gave us some nice support about what
  3187. 2:56:29 Unknown speaker the city saw with that on the True North
  3188. 2:56:32 Unknown speaker project and very much true here, but
  3189. 2:56:35 Unknown speaker we're still trying to do this in a way
  3190. 2:56:36 Unknown speaker that um is respectful to the
  3191. 2:56:38 Unknown speaker neighborhood adjacent to it and um
  3192. 2:56:41 Unknown speaker creates a meaningful uh transition. Um
  3193. 2:56:45 Unknown speaker in terms of changing the designation
  3194. 2:56:47 Unknown speaker from single family to mixed
  3195. 2:56:49 Unknown speaker neighborhood, you know, single family is
  3196. 2:56:51 Unknown speaker a very restrictive. It can only be
  3197. 2:56:53 Unknown speaker single family. uh not even duplexes are
  3198. 2:56:56 Unknown speaker allowed in that. So depending on kind of
  3199. 2:56:59 Unknown speaker where we find in the next steps the
  3200. 2:57:01 Unknown speaker appropriate level of density is, we
  3201. 2:57:03 Unknown speaker definitely need this um zoning
  3202. 2:57:05 Unknown speaker designation.
  3203. 2:57:07 Unknown speaker Um I also want to talk about just some
  3204. 2:57:09 Unknown speaker misperceptions of the project. We've
  3205. 2:57:11 Unknown speaker been at eight public hearings. We've had
  3206. 2:57:13 Unknown speaker two neighborhood meetings. So there's
  3207. 2:57:15 Unknown speaker been a lot of time and opportunity for
  3208. 2:57:18 Unknown speaker people to voice their concerns. We have
  3209. 2:57:20 Unknown speaker listened to all of them. we have done
  3210. 2:57:22 Unknown speaker what we can about the things that we can
  3211. 2:57:24 Unknown speaker and I just want to clear up a few things
  3212. 2:57:27 Unknown speaker that may be continued misperceptions um
  3213. 2:57:29 Unknown speaker before we hear the public comment. So um
  3214. 2:57:32 Unknown speaker I think I've talked about who ACT is. I
  3215. 2:57:34 Unknown speaker don't need to talk to that one. Future
  3216. 2:57:36 Unknown speaker annexations. There's been some repeat
  3217. 2:57:38 Unknown speaker comments that um some of the neighbors
  3218. 2:57:40 Unknown speaker of the Wills Heights community feel like
  3219. 2:57:42 Unknown speaker because this is getting annexed they
  3220. 2:57:44 Unknown speaker will be annexed next. And I just want to
  3221. 2:57:47 Unknown speaker be very clear. I know you guys probably
  3222. 2:57:48 Unknown speaker all know this, but annexations have to
  3223. 2:57:51 Unknown speaker be initiated by the land owner. So if
  3224. 2:57:55 Unknown speaker their neighborhood t decides in the
  3225. 2:57:57 Unknown speaker future to um come together and apply for
  3226. 2:58:01 Unknown speaker annexation, that's the only way it will
  3227. 2:58:03 Unknown speaker happen. Um in terms of public safeting
  3228. 2:58:06 Unknown speaker safety, you know, we believe that
  3229. 2:58:08 Unknown speaker developing this property will increase
  3230. 2:58:10 Unknown speaker the safety. It brings it into the
  3231. 2:58:12 Unknown speaker Longmont PD jurisdiction. Um, it also
  3232. 2:58:15 Unknown speaker eliminates the attraction to squatters
  3233. 2:58:17 Unknown speaker and dumpers. Um, we hire private
  3234. 2:58:20 Unknown speaker security um to monitor this land for us.
  3235. 2:58:23 Unknown speaker We still have between the west and east
  3236. 2:58:26 Unknown speaker probably at least one incident of having
  3237. 2:58:29 Unknown speaker police on site um every week. Um, and I
  3238. 2:58:32 Unknown speaker can tell you that the Longmont Police
  3239. 2:58:34 Unknown speaker Department comes to the calls on the
  3240. 2:58:36 Unknown speaker east very quickly. They're in the area.
  3241. 2:58:38 Unknown speaker They're responsive. getting the Boulder
  3242. 2:58:40 Unknown speaker Sheriff to come out to the west side is
  3243. 2:58:42 Unknown speaker much more time consuming. Um they do a
  3244. 2:58:45 Unknown speaker great job. They're just not in the area
  3245. 2:58:47 Unknown speaker and so bringing this into the
  3246. 2:58:48 Unknown speaker jurisdiction of the Longmont PD I think
  3247. 2:58:51 Unknown speaker will help with with safety. Um drainage
  3248. 2:58:55 Unknown speaker uh the Longmont Code ensures that no new
  3249. 2:58:57 Unknown speaker development creates negative impacts to
  3250. 2:59:00 Unknown speaker nearby sites. I will acknowledge we have
  3251. 2:59:02 Unknown speaker done a fair amount of drainage work.
  3252. 2:59:04 Unknown speaker James can talk about that with Tyler and
  3253. 2:59:07 Unknown speaker the engineering team at the city. Um, we
  3254. 2:59:10 Unknown speaker have established that there are feasible
  3255. 2:59:12 Unknown speaker opportunity, feasible methods of
  3256. 2:59:14 Unknown speaker creating drainage that has no impact.
  3257. 2:59:17 Unknown speaker The onus on us through the rest of this
  3258. 2:59:19 Unknown speaker project is to prove to the city that we
  3259. 2:59:22 Unknown speaker are draining it without negative
  3260. 2:59:24 Unknown speaker impacts. Um, rough and ready is where
  3261. 2:59:27 Unknown speaker the product the property currently
  3262. 2:59:30 Unknown speaker drains. Uh, we have been in touch with
  3263. 2:59:32 Unknown speaker them. They did send a letter based on
  3264. 2:59:34 Unknown speaker the first referral that they don't have
  3265. 2:59:36 Unknown speaker capacity to accept additional flows um
  3266. 2:59:40 Unknown speaker from this project. So alternatives to
  3267. 2:59:42 Unknown speaker that have been studied. We haven't
  3268. 2:59:44 Unknown speaker figured out exactly the pipe sizes and
  3269. 2:59:46 Unknown speaker the routing, but we've satisfied um the
  3270. 2:59:49 Unknown speaker city team that it's feasible. Um
  3271. 2:59:52 Unknown speaker similarly on wildlife, there's been some
  3272. 2:59:54 Unknown speaker repeat comments about wildlife. Um
  3273. 2:59:57 Unknown speaker there's a few species in particular that
  3274. 3:00:00 Unknown speaker are of concern. um particularly bald
  3275. 3:00:03 Unknown speaker eagles. Um that's been a repeat comment.
  3276. 3:00:05 Unknown speaker So we hired Smith Engineering, a
  3277. 3:00:08 Unknown speaker licensed Colorado biologist to just do a
  3278. 3:00:11 Unknown speaker habitat survey. This is part of any
  3279. 3:00:14 Unknown speaker development application. Uh they looked
  3280. 3:00:16 Unknown speaker at Eagles specifically given this
  3281. 3:00:18 Unknown speaker comment. The nearest nest is about 2 and
  3282. 3:00:21 Unknown speaker 1/2 miles away and the Colorado and
  3283. 3:00:24 Unknown speaker federal laws protect within 700 ft of
  3284. 3:00:26 Unknown speaker those nests and then any foraging and
  3285. 3:00:29 Unknown speaker eating areas. We are not within um a
  3286. 3:00:32 Unknown speaker mile and a half of any of those. Um
  3287. 3:00:34 Unknown speaker similarly um the east side in particular
  3288. 3:00:37 Unknown speaker has prairie dogs. We are very familiar
  3289. 3:00:40 Unknown speaker with the Longmont ordinances surrounding
  3290. 3:00:43 Unknown speaker prairie dogs and the processes for
  3291. 3:00:46 Unknown speaker moving those prior to development. We're
  3292. 3:00:49 Unknown speaker as experienced as probably anyone in the
  3293. 3:00:51 Unknown speaker city on that process and we will adhere
  3294. 3:00:54 Unknown speaker to it. Um and then road connections. Um,
  3295. 3:00:57 Unknown speaker this project originally
  3296. 3:01:00 Unknown speaker connected into Parkridge to the south.
  3297. 3:01:03 Unknown speaker Um, the neighborhood felt like that
  3298. 3:01:05 Unknown speaker wasn't appropriate. The county of
  3299. 3:01:07 Unknown speaker Boulder felt like that wasn't
  3300. 3:01:08 Unknown speaker appropriate and we took a step back and
  3301. 3:01:10 Unknown speaker completely redesigned the traffic.
  3302. 3:01:12 Unknown speaker That's where the light on the north side
  3303. 3:01:14 Unknown speaker came from. So, we have eliminated any
  3304. 3:01:17 Unknown speaker connection to the south um uh of the
  3305. 3:01:21 Unknown speaker neighborhood. Uh there is in the
  3306. 3:01:24 Unknown speaker neighborhood a platted road that dead
  3307. 3:01:26 Unknown speaker ends at our site. It is Rosewood Avenue.
  3308. 3:01:30 Unknown speaker Um due to international fire code, we
  3309. 3:01:34 Unknown speaker have to connect to that road. We
  3310. 3:01:37 Unknown speaker explored and advocated for making that
  3311. 3:01:40 Unknown speaker emergency access only. Um, I know the
  3312. 3:01:43 Unknown speaker fire department has a representative
  3313. 3:01:44 Unknown speaker here tonight that can talk a little bit
  3314. 3:01:46 Unknown speaker about why it the connection is required
  3315. 3:01:49 Unknown speaker under the international fire code, but
  3316. 3:01:51 Unknown speaker it really is about the kind of mutual um
  3317. 3:01:54 Unknown speaker increased um safety between the two
  3318. 3:01:57 Unknown speaker projects. And in the event that a grass
  3319. 3:02:00 Unknown speaker fire like the one that was at Marshall
  3320. 3:02:02 Unknown speaker kind of comes from the west ripping up
  3321. 3:02:04 Unknown speaker um through the grassland uh to the west
  3322. 3:02:07 Unknown speaker of this property, they want this
  3323. 3:02:09 Unknown speaker additional connection to help residents
  3324. 3:02:11 Unknown speaker um get out. So that's what I have to say
  3325. 3:02:14 Unknown speaker on this. I'm sure there will be
  3326. 3:02:15 Unknown speaker questions and I will be back up here. Um
  3327. 3:02:18 Unknown speaker but I will move to the next steps.
  3328. 3:02:24 Unknown speaker Thank you. Do we have any questions from
  3329. 3:02:26 Unknown speaker council?
  3330. 3:02:27 Unknown speaker Council member Kulkoffer.
  3331. 3:02:30 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, you can sit down
  3332. 3:02:33 Unknown speaker because the question is not for you. Um,
  3333. 3:02:35 Unknown speaker so I'm looking at our map and I know,
  3334. 3:02:38 Unknown speaker you know, annexation is the the
  3335. 3:02:40 Unknown speaker residents have to uh want to be annexed
  3336. 3:02:42 Unknown speaker in and I'm not suggesting annexation for
  3337. 3:02:44 Unknown speaker this neighborhood. I'm not. Um, but LPC
  3338. 3:02:46 Unknown speaker does service non- Longmont areas. So,
  3339. 3:02:49 Unknown speaker I'm curious, uh, Harold, with Next Light
  3340. 3:02:52 Unknown speaker coming in right next door, is there any
  3341. 3:02:54 Unknown speaker possibility that these neighbors in the
  3342. 3:02:57 Unknown speaker established neighborhood can potentially
  3343. 3:03:00 Unknown speaker get Next Light with it moving right next
  3344. 3:03:03 Unknown speaker door?
  3345. 3:03:04 Unknown speaker Um, based on the authorizing language in
  3346. 3:03:07 Unknown speaker when the ballot initiative um was
  3347. 3:03:09 Unknown speaker passed, um, Next Light is limited to
  3348. 3:03:12 Unknown speaker providing service to the LPC service
  3349. 3:03:15 Unknown speaker territory. Um, and so because the
  3350. 3:03:19 Unknown speaker adjacent area is not in the LPC service
  3351. 3:03:22 Unknown speaker territory,
  3352. 3:03:24 Unknown speaker um, weren't able to do that.
  3353. 3:03:27 Unknown speaker So there's no possibility.
  3354. 3:03:28 Unknown speaker Um,
  3355. 3:03:30 Unknown speaker I'm going back a few years ago when we
  3356. 3:03:32 Unknown speaker had conversations. I think it would the
  3357. 3:03:36 Unknown speaker authorizing language would need to be
  3358. 3:03:38 Unknown speaker changed and because it was a ballot
  3359. 3:03:40 Unknown speaker issue, I think it would need to be a
  3360. 3:03:42 Unknown speaker ballot issue. Um, some context to that.
  3361. 3:03:46 Unknown speaker Um, while we do serve areas outside of
  3362. 3:03:50 Unknown speaker the city with next slide, there are
  3363. 3:03:53 Unknown speaker areas within the LPC service territory
  3364. 3:03:55 Unknown speaker that we haven't been able to extend to
  3365. 3:03:58 Unknown speaker because of cost. So, we're really
  3366. 3:04:00 Unknown speaker focused on providing that internally
  3367. 3:04:02 Unknown speaker first. I think they did move across 66,
  3368. 3:04:05 Unknown speaker but it wasn't as expensive as, let's
  3369. 3:04:08 Unknown speaker say, going to hygiene.
  3370. 3:04:09 Unknown speaker Gotcha. Um, is that something that I can
  3371. 3:04:12 Unknown speaker look into or
  3372. 3:04:13 Unknown speaker um I'll double check on that, but um I
  3373. 3:04:16 Unknown speaker do think that that was
  3374. 3:04:18 Unknown speaker the last answer I had, but let me just
  3375. 3:04:20 Unknown speaker double check it.
  3376. 3:04:21 Unknown speaker Sounds good. Thanks. Thank you, Council
  3377. 3:04:23 Unknown speaker Member Christ.
  3378. 3:04:25 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor.
  3379. 3:04:27 Unknown speaker I have a question
  3380. 3:04:30 Unknown speaker um between Kristen and um Mr. Neils.
  3381. 3:04:35 Unknown speaker Um Kristen, in your slide you mentioned
  3382. 3:04:37 Unknown speaker that um Envision Longmont had um housing
  3383. 3:04:43 Unknown speaker um single family housing was um
  3384. 3:04:45 Unknown speaker primarily sing single family housing
  3385. 3:04:48 Unknown speaker which says to me that there you can do a
  3386. 3:04:50 Unknown speaker little bit more in that designation than
  3387. 3:04:51 Unknown speaker just single detached homes. Is that
  3388. 3:04:54 Unknown speaker correct? In the single in the RSF
  3389. 3:04:57 Unknown speaker district, which is a residential single
  3390. 3:04:59 Unknown speaker family district, you can only build um
  3391. 3:05:01 Unknown speaker single family detached homes. There are
  3392. 3:05:03 Unknown speaker other allowances like parks and churches
  3393. 3:05:05 Unknown speaker and I think that was what I was trying
  3394. 3:05:06 Unknown speaker to allude to but in the single family
  3395. 3:05:10 Unknown speaker designation you're only allowed single
  3396. 3:05:11 Unknown speaker family detached houses.
  3397. 3:05:13 Unknown speaker Okay. Just trying to reconcile between
  3398. 3:05:15 Unknown speaker those two. Um but I have another
  3399. 3:05:18 Unknown speaker question. Why why did Envision Longmont
  3400. 3:05:21 Unknown speaker determine that particular side of the
  3401. 3:05:23 Unknown speaker street to be uh single family
  3402. 3:05:26 Unknown speaker residential or single residential
  3403. 3:05:29 Unknown speaker whichever direction that goes. That is a
  3404. 3:05:31 Unknown speaker great question and unfortunately I do
  3405. 3:05:33 Unknown speaker not have the information in reference to
  3406. 3:05:35 Unknown speaker why that designation was originally um
  3407. 3:05:39 Unknown speaker in included for that property as single
  3408. 3:05:41 Unknown speaker family. So unfortunately I do not have
  3409. 3:05:43 Unknown speaker that information for you
  3410. 3:05:44 Unknown speaker because the east side was always a
  3411. 3:05:47 Unknown speaker little higher density in in vision long
  3412. 3:05:49 Unknown speaker wasn't it?
  3413. 3:05:50 Unknown speaker That is my understanding. So, do you
  3414. 3:05:52 Unknown speaker think the plan was to kind of mix it up
  3415. 3:05:54 Unknown speaker a little bit or or not uh create this um
  3416. 3:06:00 Unknown speaker corridor, walled corridor that we're
  3417. 3:06:01 Unknown speaker worried about?
  3418. 3:06:02 Unknown speaker I mean, that certainly could have been a
  3419. 3:06:03 Unknown speaker consideration, but I don't want to
  3420. 3:06:05 Unknown speaker speculate about a process that I was not
  3421. 3:06:07 Unknown speaker involved in.
  3422. 3:06:08 Unknown speaker Right. Right. I would be speculating,
  3423. 3:06:09 Unknown speaker too, but you've been here longer than I
  3424. 3:06:11 Unknown speaker have, so [laughter] thought maybe you
  3425. 3:06:13 Unknown speaker might know. All right. Well, thank you,
  3426. 3:06:18 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin.
  3427. 3:06:21 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. A question for the
  3428. 3:06:22 Unknown speaker applicant team on this one. Um
  3429. 3:06:26 Unknown speaker Chris or whomever.
  3430. 3:06:27 Unknown speaker Yeah, I'll see who the appropriate
  3431. 3:06:29 Unknown speaker person is. [clears throat]
  3432. 3:06:29 Unknown speaker Thanks. Um
  3433. 3:06:31 Unknown speaker we had talked a little bit, you'd
  3434. 3:06:33 Unknown speaker briefly alluded to before when we were
  3435. 3:06:35 Unknown speaker talking on the other side of 287 about
  3436. 3:06:37 Unknown speaker the 175 foot condition. I was wondering
  3437. 3:06:40 Unknown speaker if you could elaborate a little bit more
  3438. 3:06:41 Unknown speaker on the the broader design for this side.
  3439. 3:06:45 Unknown speaker And you know, I think when some people
  3440. 3:06:47 Unknown speaker think multif family and duplex, triplex
  3441. 3:06:51 Unknown speaker stuff, it starts to feel a little bit
  3442. 3:06:52 Unknown speaker potentially boxy.
  3443. 3:06:54 Unknown speaker Um, and I think that's a function of,
  3444. 3:06:56 Unknown speaker you know, economic design and efficient
  3445. 3:06:58 Unknown speaker design as well as also what people have
  3446. 3:07:00 Unknown speaker kind of seen been built up around this
  3447. 3:07:03 Unknown speaker area and frankly in a lot of the
  3448. 3:07:04 Unknown speaker sprawling areas around the front range.
  3449. 3:07:06 Unknown speaker Sure.
  3450. 3:07:07 Unknown speaker And so I'm wondering if you can just
  3451. 3:07:08 Unknown speaker think again, we're thinking gateway
  3452. 3:07:09 Unknown speaker project. We're thinking aspirational
  3453. 3:07:10 Unknown speaker here. Um, not in abstract terms. this is
  3454. 3:07:14 Unknown speaker becoming real pretty quickly if this
  3455. 3:07:15 Unknown speaker gets approved. Um, and so I'm wondering
  3456. 3:07:17 Unknown speaker if you can speak a little bit more to
  3457. 3:07:19 Unknown speaker the character on this side and what
  3458. 3:07:22 Unknown speaker other tools in your toolbox, whether
  3459. 3:07:24 Unknown speaker they're required or not, you guys are
  3460. 3:07:25 Unknown speaker thinking about for for a project like
  3461. 3:07:27 Unknown speaker this.
  3462. 3:07:28 Unknown speaker Sure.
  3463. 3:07:29 Unknown speaker Particularly for the more dense portion
  3464. 3:07:31 Unknown speaker of this.
  3465. 3:07:32 Unknown speaker Yeah. Much smaller building forms on
  3466. 3:07:35 Unknown speaker this side. You know, the zoning
  3467. 3:07:38 Unknown speaker designation that we've asked for maxes
  3468. 3:07:40 Unknown speaker out at 18 units per acre. I would say
  3469. 3:07:43 Unknown speaker almost every apartment project that you
  3470. 3:07:46 Unknown speaker guys have seen recently is probably in
  3471. 3:07:48 Unknown speaker the 22ish
  3472. 3:07:51 Unknown speaker range. Uh Vera West as an example is 20,
  3473. 3:07:54 Unknown speaker right?
  3474. 3:07:55 Unknown speaker Is 20.
  3475. 3:07:56 Unknown speaker Um so even that is two units per acre
  3476. 3:07:59 Unknown speaker higher than what we can even are allowed
  3477. 3:08:01 Unknown speaker to do here. And I think again we're
  3478. 3:08:04 Unknown speaker looking at the missing supply in
  3479. 3:08:07 Unknown speaker Longmont and feeling like those larger
  3480. 3:08:09 Unknown speaker form buildings have more more so been
  3481. 3:08:12 Unknown speaker addressed. So without giving you any
  3482. 3:08:14 Unknown speaker In other words, that's not really what
  3483. 3:08:16 Unknown speaker you're trying to do here.
  3484. 3:08:17 Unknown speaker Correct. Okay. Um do you ever consider
  3485. 3:08:19 Unknown speaker stepbacks, not setbacks, but like
  3486. 3:08:21 Unknown speaker stepbacks in building height on other
  3487. 3:08:23 Unknown speaker floors as you start to um kind of look
  3488. 3:08:25 Unknown speaker at second two and threetory buildings
  3489. 3:08:28 Unknown speaker and kind of the integrated design?
  3490. 3:08:30 Unknown speaker Yes.
  3491. 3:08:30 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, and then I I appreciate that
  3492. 3:08:34 Unknown speaker you guys tried to advocate for and run
  3493. 3:08:36 Unknown speaker down the traffic uh the access points to
  3494. 3:08:39 Unknown speaker this. That was my first thought when I
  3495. 3:08:41 Unknown speaker saw the concept plan originally on the
  3496. 3:08:42 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission of like
  3497. 3:08:44 Unknown speaker why can't why do people have to cut
  3498. 3:08:45 Unknown speaker through the neighborhood for this?
  3499. 3:08:46 Unknown speaker Because I understand those concerns that
  3500. 3:08:48 Unknown speaker people are raising about that.
  3501. 3:08:50 Unknown speaker I understand the fire restrictions there
  3502. 3:08:52 Unknown speaker and the access from a safety standpoint
  3503. 3:08:53 Unknown speaker on that.
  3504. 3:08:55 Unknown speaker And for what it's worth, we pushed back
  3505. 3:08:56 Unknown speaker really hard on that and we got really
  3506. 3:08:58 Unknown speaker hard push back. So, okay. I I don't
  3507. 3:09:02 Unknown speaker think there's ever going to be any
  3508. 3:09:03 Unknown speaker movement on that one.
  3509. 3:09:05 Unknown speaker Understood. Uh and I've asked about that
  3510. 3:09:06 Unknown speaker separately as well, just to understand
  3511. 3:09:08 Unknown speaker more. Um and look, I don't want us to do
  3512. 3:09:10 Unknown speaker something that's fundamentally unsafe
  3513. 3:09:11 Unknown speaker from a fire safety standpoint either.
  3514. 3:09:14 Unknown speaker What I want what I'm curious about is
  3515. 3:09:15 Unknown speaker the implicing
  3516. 3:09:20 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  3517. 3:09:22 Unknown speaker this development through the existing
  3518. 3:09:24 Unknown speaker neighborhood on the west side um through
  3519. 3:09:26 Unknown speaker I think what was it? Rosand Avenue. Um
  3520. 3:09:28 Unknown speaker and and I'm curious what to what extent
  3521. 3:09:30 Unknown speaker those are county roads, correct? That
  3522. 3:09:32 Unknown speaker that connects into a county road system,
  3523. 3:09:34 Unknown speaker not a city road system, right?
  3524. 3:09:35 Unknown speaker Yes.
  3525. 3:09:37 Unknown speaker What can you tell us a little bit more
  3526. 3:09:38 Unknown speaker about your conversations with the county
  3527. 3:09:40 Unknown speaker if any and how you've approached that
  3528. 3:09:42 Unknown speaker and how you're thinking about traffic
  3529. 3:09:43 Unknown speaker mitigation, traffic flow, and control
  3530. 3:09:45 Unknown speaker there?
  3531. 3:09:46 Unknown speaker Sure. So, there is an existing
  3532. 3:09:48 Unknown speaker intergovernmental agreement between the
  3533. 3:09:50 Unknown speaker county and the city on how these
  3534. 3:09:53 Unknown speaker situations are dealt with. It's not a
  3535. 3:09:56 Unknown speaker very common occurrence, but it does
  3536. 3:09:58 Unknown speaker happen in quite a few places um around
  3537. 3:10:01 Unknown speaker Longmont. So, there's a lot of precedent
  3538. 3:10:03 Unknown speaker um to how this works. Um you know, the
  3539. 3:10:06 Unknown speaker at the initial
  3540. 3:10:09 Unknown speaker um referral that we gave to the county,
  3541. 3:10:12 Unknown speaker they really pushed back hard on the Park
  3542. 3:10:14 Unknown speaker Ridge um connection. I think
  3543. 3:10:16 Unknown speaker that was on the south side, right?
  3544. 3:10:18 Unknown speaker On the south side. and primarily because
  3545. 3:10:19 Unknown speaker it created a new curb cut and it wasn't
  3546. 3:10:22 Unknown speaker already a platted road that had been
  3547. 3:10:25 Unknown speaker long envisioned.
  3548. 3:10:26 Unknown speaker Um, Rosland Avenue has been there since
  3549. 3:10:28 Unknown speaker 1959. It's been platted. So, it's it's
  3550. 3:10:31 Unknown speaker not new that
  3551. 3:10:32 Unknown speaker you're saying the county pushed you from
  3552. 3:10:33 Unknown speaker considering the south connection to more
  3553. 3:10:36 Unknown speaker of the west connection.
  3554. 3:10:37 Unknown speaker Yeah, the county and the neighborhood
  3555. 3:10:39 Unknown speaker collectively I think were in unison in
  3556. 3:10:42 Unknown speaker their
  3557. 3:10:43 Unknown speaker Okay. Um [snorts]
  3558. 3:10:45 Unknown speaker um [clears throat]
  3559. 3:10:48 Unknown speaker and then in terms of the cut through
  3560. 3:10:49 Unknown speaker traffic concerns that you have that you
  3561. 3:10:52 Unknown speaker know you and I have both heard in
  3562. 3:10:53 Unknown speaker different public settings you've heard
  3563. 3:10:54 Unknown speaker in the neighborhood meetings and all
  3564. 3:10:55 Unknown speaker that
  3565. 3:10:56 Unknown speaker you know that's that's cut through both
  3566. 3:10:58 Unknown speaker to get through that both cut through to
  3567. 3:11:00 Unknown speaker get to the new development or that's not
  3568. 3:11:02 Unknown speaker really cut through that's more an access
  3569. 3:11:04 Unknown speaker there's the cut through really on
  3570. 3:11:05 Unknown speaker Hillrest I think it's Hillrest and Park
  3571. 3:11:07 Unknown speaker Ridge are the two main connections from
  3572. 3:11:09 Unknown speaker 66 to 287 if I understand my map
  3573. 3:11:11 Unknown speaker correctly there. Yes,
  3574. 3:11:12 Unknown speaker I know those are not on site, but are
  3575. 3:11:14 Unknown speaker you thinking about it at all about the
  3576. 3:11:16 Unknown speaker impacts of your development and how that
  3577. 3:11:19 Unknown speaker will impact those roads and access?
  3578. 3:11:22 Unknown speaker Because when we think about the review
  3579. 3:11:23 Unknown speaker criteria for compatibility here, you
  3580. 3:11:26 Unknown speaker know, we're looking at multimodal
  3581. 3:11:28 Unknown speaker transportation options, but also I think
  3582. 3:11:29 Unknown speaker it's review criteria three or four that
  3583. 3:11:31 Unknown speaker says, you know, mitigating adverse
  3584. 3:11:33 Unknown speaker impacts of this development to the
  3585. 3:11:34 Unknown speaker maximum extent feasible. So, I wanted to
  3586. 3:11:36 Unknown speaker understand how you guys go about that.
  3587. 3:11:37 Unknown speaker Yeah. And I think, you know, council
  3588. 3:11:40 Unknown speaker member Coloffer did introduce a
  3589. 3:11:42 Unknown speaker condition of approval in our last
  3590. 3:11:44 Unknown speaker meeting that we would to the maximum
  3591. 3:11:47 Unknown speaker extent feasible create traffic calming
  3592. 3:11:50 Unknown speaker measures to
  3593. 3:11:52 Unknown speaker I'm trying to get the words off the top
  3594. 3:11:53 Unknown speaker of my head, but to reduce cut through
  3595. 3:11:55 Unknown speaker traffic. And I think we think that kind
  3596. 3:11:57 Unknown speaker of cuts both ways to kind of prevent
  3597. 3:12:00 Unknown speaker traffic coming in both directions. you
  3598. 3:12:03 Unknown speaker know, the
  3599. 3:12:05 Unknown speaker existing cutth through traffic that has
  3600. 3:12:08 Unknown speaker little to do with our project. Um, you
  3601. 3:12:11 Unknown speaker know, we asked our traffic engineer to
  3602. 3:12:14 Unknown speaker study that.
  3603. 3:12:15 Unknown speaker Um, in the morning,
  3604. 3:12:18 Unknown speaker Jeff, you can come up and correct me if
  3605. 3:12:20 Unknown speaker I'm wrong here, but in the morning, we
  3606. 3:12:22 Unknown speaker saw two right turns off of 287 onto Park
  3607. 3:12:27 Unknown speaker into the neighborhood. We can't track
  3608. 3:12:29 Unknown speaker where the car goes after that, but in
  3609. 3:12:31 Unknown speaker that peak hour, there were two. Um,
  3610. 3:12:34 Unknown speaker again, that's a limited set, a limited
  3611. 3:12:36 Unknown speaker hours. Um, in the afternoon, uh, the
  3612. 3:12:40 Unknown speaker left turn off of 66 onto Hillrest to cut
  3613. 3:12:43 Unknown speaker back through the other way. Jeff, was
  3614. 3:12:45 Unknown speaker that 8 16?
  3615. 3:12:47 Unknown speaker 16.
  3616. 3:12:50 Unknown speaker Um, audience, can we have order, please?
  3617. 3:12:52 Unknown speaker Yeah, let's um,
  3618. 3:12:53 Unknown speaker no audience discussion. So,
  3619. 3:12:57 Unknown speaker okay.
  3620. 3:12:57 Unknown speaker That's what the data that we have in
  3621. 3:12:58 Unknown speaker front of us says.
  3622. 3:13:00 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3623. 3:13:00 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you,
  3624. 3:13:01 Unknown speaker Council Member Coloffer.
  3625. 3:13:06 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, there's been a lot
  3626. 3:13:08 Unknown speaker of concerns about water. Can the
  3627. 3:13:10 Unknown speaker developer talk about where water is
  3628. 3:13:12 Unknown speaker coming from, what rights you have, are
  3629. 3:13:15 Unknown speaker you having to supplement with city
  3630. 3:13:16 Unknown speaker water? Where where's where's water
  3631. 3:13:18 Unknown speaker coming from?
  3632. 3:13:18 Unknown speaker Sure. So, we've worked with Wes Lowry at
  3633. 3:13:21 Unknown speaker the city. He's been a longtime water
  3634. 3:13:23 Unknown speaker planner. I don't know exactly what his
  3635. 3:13:25 Unknown speaker title is, but you from the day we bought
  3636. 3:13:27 Unknown speaker the property, we've been in touch with
  3637. 3:13:28 Unknown speaker him. So when we purchased the property,
  3638. 3:13:31 Unknown speaker we got some historic water rights that
  3639. 3:13:34 Unknown speaker have been used by the agriculture. So we
  3640. 3:13:37 Unknown speaker have a certain number of CBT shares and
  3641. 3:13:41 Unknown speaker a certain number of Highland ditch
  3642. 3:13:42 Unknown speaker shares. So those will upon annexation
  3643. 3:13:46 Unknown speaker immediately be granted to the city. And
  3644. 3:13:48 Unknown speaker then um there is a three acre feet per
  3645. 3:13:52 Unknown speaker acre uh requirement for all land that's
  3646. 3:13:55 Unknown speaker annexed in to be um either contributed
  3647. 3:13:58 Unknown speaker into the system or there's an inloo fee
  3648. 3:14:01 Unknown speaker of $59,200
  3649. 3:14:04 Unknown speaker something dollars per acre foot. So
  3650. 3:14:07 Unknown speaker we've been working with Wes for the last
  3651. 3:14:09 Unknown speaker 3 years to secure some water rights um
  3652. 3:14:12 Unknown speaker to do that. But, you know, he feels very
  3653. 3:14:14 Unknown speaker comfortable that the inloo fee um
  3654. 3:14:17 Unknown speaker compensates Longmont for the water
  3655. 3:14:19 Unknown speaker rights that it has um accumulated to be
  3656. 3:14:22 Unknown speaker able to address future um growth like
  3657. 3:14:26 Unknown speaker this. And then also the shares that
  3658. 3:14:29 Unknown speaker we're going to grant I think are really
  3659. 3:14:30 Unknown speaker helpful to him because they are from
  3660. 3:14:33 Unknown speaker like the CBT source is a little bit
  3661. 3:14:34 Unknown speaker different than the composition of some
  3662. 3:14:37 Unknown speaker of the Longmont waters. He was excited
  3663. 3:14:39 Unknown speaker that those would be coming to the city.
  3664. 3:14:40 Unknown speaker So very long story short, um we've been
  3665. 3:14:43 Unknown speaker planning for the water needs of this
  3666. 3:14:45 Unknown speaker community and we have a a solution in
  3667. 3:14:47 Unknown speaker front of us.
  3668. 3:14:48 Unknown speaker Great. Thanks. And then one of the
  3669. 3:14:49 Unknown speaker biggest users for water is nonfunctional
  3670. 3:14:52 Unknown speaker turf. So basically the only time that
  3671. 3:14:54 Unknown speaker you're walking on it is to mow it for
  3672. 3:14:57 Unknown speaker this development. What are you
  3673. 3:14:58 Unknown speaker anticipating for, you know, green space
  3674. 3:15:01 Unknown speaker and water usage when it comes to
  3675. 3:15:03 Unknown speaker vegetation? Yeah. So, the Longmont um
  3676. 3:15:06 Unknown speaker landscaping standards have obviously
  3677. 3:15:08 Unknown speaker changed a lot over time. And I think,
  3678. 3:15:11 Unknown speaker you know, Matthew, you were the first
  3679. 3:15:12 Unknown speaker one that actually brought this to my
  3680. 3:15:13 Unknown speaker attention that slightly more dense
  3681. 3:15:16 Unknown speaker development creates less need for
  3682. 3:15:18 Unknown speaker irrigation water. And so, even though
  3683. 3:15:21 Unknown speaker Longmont has grown considerably, the
  3684. 3:15:24 Unknown speaker water usage actually hasn't grown in
  3685. 3:15:26 Unknown speaker lock step with the population growth in
  3686. 3:15:29 Unknown speaker part because of the density that's
  3687. 3:15:31 Unknown speaker happened over time. So I think between
  3688. 3:15:34 Unknown speaker the kind of more forward thinking
  3689. 3:15:36 Unknown speaker landscaping that's uh less water
  3690. 3:15:39 Unknown speaker intensive combined with the form of the
  3691. 3:15:42 Unknown speaker buildings and um the the housing there
  3692. 3:15:45 Unknown speaker that there will be less per resident use
  3693. 3:15:48 Unknown speaker of water than we're seeing
  3694. 3:15:51 Unknown speaker across the city.
  3695. 3:15:52 Unknown speaker More Colorado scape less blueg grass.
  3696. 3:15:54 Unknown speaker Yes.
  3697. 3:15:55 Unknown speaker Great. Thanks.
  3698. 3:15:56 Unknown speaker I think that yeah early in my days on
  3699. 3:15:58 Unknown speaker council we we looked at that. So yes,
  3700. 3:16:02 Unknown speaker you could have just asked me. I was
  3701. 3:16:04 Unknown speaker okay. Anyways, I do want to get to
  3702. 3:16:06 Unknown speaker public um hearing. So I don't see anyone
  3703. 3:16:09 Unknown speaker in the uh queue for questions. So I will
  3704. 3:16:12 Unknown speaker now open the public hearing on ordinance
  3705. 3:16:15 Unknown speaker 2026-75.
  3706. 3:16:18 Unknown speaker Um the first person on
  3707. 3:16:23 Unknown speaker No, [snorts] we have to do the public
  3708. 3:16:24 Unknown speaker hearing. So yeah. So, um,
  3709. 3:16:29 Unknown speaker yes,
  3710. 3:16:30 Unknown speaker Mayor, did you want to do combined
  3711. 3:16:32 Unknown speaker public hearing for the
  3712. 3:16:32 Unknown speaker We're going to do Yes. So, I'm because
  3713. 3:16:34 Unknown speaker they're all on the same list. So, I'm
  3714. 3:16:36 Unknown speaker going through the same list. I'm not
  3715. 3:16:38 Unknown speaker going to call them again for items 10
  3716. 3:16:41 Unknown speaker D and 10E.
  3717. 3:16:43 Unknown speaker I only heard the first ordinance.
  3718. 3:16:44 Unknown speaker Oh, sorry.
  3719. 3:16:45 Unknown speaker As you call the public.
  3720. 3:16:46 Unknown speaker Oh, okay. It was I was just working on
  3721. 3:16:49 Unknown speaker autopilot here. So, ordinance 2026-75
  3722. 3:16:53 Unknown speaker as well as if you want to speak to
  3723. 3:16:55 Unknown speaker 2026-76.
  3724. 3:16:58 Unknown speaker Does that make sense to you all?
  3725. 3:17:00 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  3726. 3:17:01 Unknown speaker It didn't make sense to me. I'm already
  3727. 3:17:04 Unknown speaker getting tired, but I apologize. Um, so
  3728. 3:17:07 Unknown speaker yeah. So, if you're wanting to speak on
  3729. 3:17:08 Unknown speaker either item for the um
  3730. 3:17:13 Unknown speaker the approving of the U Northwest the U
  3731. 3:17:17 Unknown speaker comprehensive land use plan amendment as
  3732. 3:17:20 Unknown speaker well as the um ordinance conditionally
  3733. 3:17:23 Unknown speaker approving the um annexation and concept
  3734. 3:17:27 Unknown speaker plan. So, the first name on the list is
  3735. 3:17:29 Unknown speaker Susan Felix.
  3736. 3:17:34 Unknown speaker getting scrambly.
  3737. 3:17:42 Unknown speaker I'm Susan Felix. I live in Coline Drive,
  3738. 3:17:46 Unknown speaker 12890 Coline Drive. I gave every one of
  3739. 3:17:50 Unknown speaker you at the dis there these to read.
  3740. 3:17:54 Unknown speaker One's from the county saying that they
  3741. 3:17:56 Unknown speaker don't want you coming in our
  3742. 3:17:58 Unknown speaker neighborhood and have some restrictions.
  3743. 3:18:01 Unknown speaker The other one is from the neighbors that
  3744. 3:18:04 Unknown speaker got all together and wrote down what's
  3745. 3:18:06 Unknown speaker going to happen with our roads, who's
  3746. 3:18:08 Unknown speaker going to pay for this. We are an
  3747. 3:18:10 Unknown speaker agricultural residential neighborhood
  3748. 3:18:13 Unknown speaker and we want to keep it that way. Um, we
  3749. 3:18:17 Unknown speaker don't have enough water for everybody.
  3750. 3:18:21 Unknown speaker Some of the homes have wells, but
  3751. 3:18:22 Unknown speaker they're dried up. We don't have sewers.
  3752. 3:18:25 Unknown speaker We have septic. So, where are you going
  3753. 3:18:28 Unknown speaker to get your sewers? you're going to
  3754. 3:18:30 Unknown speaker drill across 287 and stop traffic and
  3755. 3:18:33 Unknown speaker get your trucks in there to do the job.
  3756. 3:18:36 Unknown speaker It's not going to work. Um, I'm also,
  3757. 3:18:39 Unknown speaker like I said, I used to be a realtor.
  3758. 3:18:42 Unknown speaker Uh, building in this area, just so you
  3759. 3:18:46 Unknown speaker know, we had Benonite in the soil and
  3760. 3:18:49 Unknown speaker it's great for the farmers. They can
  3761. 3:18:51 Unknown speaker grow hay. They can do whatever they want
  3762. 3:18:53 Unknown speaker with it. But when you build, it's hard
  3763. 3:18:56 Unknown speaker on building because it can cause
  3764. 3:18:58 Unknown speaker problems in the foundation on the homes,
  3765. 3:19:02 Unknown speaker which they're having a problem up in
  3766. 3:19:04 Unknown speaker Berthood right now off of 287. They
  3767. 3:19:07 Unknown speaker built a bunch of homes. The people are
  3768. 3:19:09 Unknown speaker suing the builders because they're
  3769. 3:19:10 Unknown speaker having cracked foundations.
  3770. 3:19:12 Unknown speaker So, that's another problem you got to
  3771. 3:19:14 Unknown speaker think about. Also, the crime. Everybody
  3772. 3:19:17 Unknown speaker wants RTD buses. We already have RTD
  3773. 3:19:20 Unknown speaker buses across the street. You know who
  3774. 3:19:22 Unknown speaker rides those buses? the homeless. They
  3775. 3:19:25 Unknown speaker come up from Denver, they come down from
  3776. 3:19:27 Unknown speaker Fort Collins, they hang out at Walmart,
  3777. 3:19:29 Unknown speaker they sleep in our neighborhoods. You can
  3778. 3:19:32 Unknown speaker ask the sheriff. He was at my house back
  3779. 3:19:34 Unknown speaker in July because I had people sleeping in
  3780. 3:19:36 Unknown speaker my yard. It's not a good idea. The
  3781. 3:19:39 Unknown speaker sheriff's not even happy about it. So,
  3782. 3:19:41 Unknown speaker you can check with that. It's
  3783. 3:19:42 Unknown speaker documented.
  3784. 3:19:44 Unknown speaker Um, the other thing is, um, oh, okay. I
  3785. 3:19:49 Unknown speaker looked it up. I know you got a
  3786. 3:19:51 Unknown speaker biologist, but we do have eagles. And
  3787. 3:19:54 Unknown speaker several of my neighbors back there will
  3788. 3:19:56 Unknown speaker tell you they've been in their yard.
  3789. 3:19:58 Unknown speaker Okay? They're not two miles away.
  3790. 3:20:01 Unknown speaker They're in our neighborhood. And I
  3791. 3:20:03 Unknown speaker looked up the law. You can't build
  3792. 3:20:05 Unknown speaker within two football fields. And we are
  3793. 3:20:08 Unknown speaker smaller than two football fields. If you
  3794. 3:20:11 Unknown speaker do, you break the law, state and
  3795. 3:20:14 Unknown speaker federal. It's a $100,000 fine and a year
  3796. 3:20:17 Unknown speaker in jail. So, not only do we have eagles,
  3797. 3:20:20 Unknown speaker we have owls and osprey and all kinds of
  3798. 3:20:23 Unknown speaker animals. Um, we used to have coyotes and
  3799. 3:20:27 Unknown speaker foxes, but because of all the building
  3800. 3:20:30 Unknown speaker they did behind us, they put 14 mansions
  3801. 3:20:32 Unknown speaker back there, all the wildlife
  3802. 3:20:34 Unknown speaker disappeared. So, now the eagles hang out
  3803. 3:20:36 Unknown speaker with us because we're the only thing
  3804. 3:20:38 Unknown speaker left. We have a stream in our
  3805. 3:20:41 Unknown speaker neighborhood. It's a nice area. Not only
  3806. 3:20:44 Unknown speaker that, we like our neighbors. It's quiet.
  3807. 3:20:46 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3808. 3:20:46 Unknown speaker Thank you. and everybody gets along and
  3809. 3:20:48 Unknown speaker watches out for each other.
  3810. 3:20:50 Unknown speaker Um, the next person on the list, and I
  3811. 3:20:52 Unknown speaker can't make out, the first name starts
  3812. 3:20:53 Unknown speaker with a B. Felix.
  3813. 3:20:56 Unknown speaker I don't know if it's Bruce.
  3814. 3:20:58 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3815. 3:21:06 Unknown speaker I live at 12890 Coline Drive.
  3816. 3:21:10 Unknown speaker Um,
  3817. 3:21:12 Unknown speaker I'm a numbers person. I look at facts.
  3818. 3:21:16 Unknown speaker non- emotions.
  3819. 3:21:19 Unknown speaker Um the number one problem with this and
  3820. 3:21:23 Unknown speaker when I talk about this I have to talk
  3821. 3:21:25 Unknown speaker about both sides of the highway because
  3822. 3:21:28 Unknown speaker these people want to develop looks like
  3823. 3:21:31 Unknown speaker 49 acres to me.
  3824. 3:21:34 Unknown speaker And if you take the numbers the minimum
  3825. 3:21:37 Unknown speaker numbers
  3826. 3:21:38 Unknown speaker they want to put 790
  3827. 3:21:41 Unknown speaker people on 26 acres. And I came up with
  3828. 3:21:44 Unknown speaker that number of 2.5 individuals
  3829. 3:21:49 Unknown speaker per residence
  3830. 3:21:51 Unknown speaker and a maximum of 2350
  3831. 3:21:54 Unknown speaker people
  3832. 3:21:56 Unknown speaker if in high density that's on 26 acres.
  3833. 3:22:01 Unknown speaker Okay. Our development is 65 acres and
  3834. 3:22:07 Unknown speaker has 234 people. So you're talking about
  3835. 3:22:11 Unknown speaker a huge increase of people. Now you take
  3836. 3:22:14 Unknown speaker the other side of the property they want
  3837. 3:22:17 Unknown speaker to develop and double those numbers. Now
  3838. 3:22:20 Unknown speaker you're talking right around 5,000 people
  3839. 3:22:24 Unknown speaker on uh 49 acres if it's high density.
  3840. 3:22:30 Unknown speaker Okay. The number one problem that you
  3841. 3:22:32 Unknown speaker people have no control over are the
  3842. 3:22:35 Unknown speaker highways.
  3843. 3:22:37 Unknown speaker to 87
  3844. 3:22:38 Unknown speaker 66.
  3845. 3:22:40 Unknown speaker Those highways are gridlocked in the
  3846. 3:22:43 Unknown speaker morning and at night. They're building
  3847. 3:22:46 Unknown speaker homes like you can't believe out of
  3848. 3:22:49 Unknown speaker Boulder County up in Lovelin. Uh drive
  3849. 3:22:54 Unknown speaker up there and see the homes. There's
  3850. 3:22:56 Unknown speaker thousands of homes being built. Those
  3851. 3:22:59 Unknown speaker people are commuting on 287 and making a
  3852. 3:23:03 Unknown speaker right and a left going down to Highway
  3853. 3:23:06 Unknown speaker 25 or they're going to Boulder.
  3854. 3:23:09 Unknown speaker You're talking 2 to three hours in the
  3855. 3:23:12 Unknown speaker morning and 2 to three hours at night.
  3856. 3:23:14 Unknown speaker That intersection is totally locked.
  3857. 3:23:18 Unknown speaker You cannot These people are driving like
  3858. 3:23:21 Unknown speaker maniacs. Now you want to put in a light.
  3859. 3:23:25 Unknown speaker That's going to slow the traffic down,
  3860. 3:23:27 Unknown speaker not speed up. The only way you're going
  3861. 3:23:30 Unknown speaker to speed up traffic on those two
  3862. 3:23:31 Unknown speaker highways is to enlarge them.
  3863. 3:23:35 Unknown speaker 66 is proposed to be enlarged to two
  3864. 3:23:38 Unknown speaker lanes. Now you're going to have two
  3865. 3:23:42 Unknown speaker two-lane highways coming together at one
  3866. 3:23:45 Unknown speaker intersection.
  3867. 3:23:46 Unknown speaker What do you think that's going to do?
  3868. 3:23:50 Unknown speaker And you got Walmart. They're not going
  3869. 3:23:52 Unknown speaker to stand for that. It's going to become
  3870. 3:23:54 Unknown speaker gridlock. They're going to go somewhere
  3871. 3:23:56 Unknown speaker else where they can get people into the
  3872. 3:23:58 Unknown speaker store.
  3873. 3:24:00 Unknown speaker I grew up in Southern California. I've
  3874. 3:24:03 Unknown speaker seen all this that you people want to
  3875. 3:24:05 Unknown speaker do.
  3876. 3:24:06 Unknown speaker You're developing too fast.
  3877. 3:24:08 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, thank you.
  3878. 3:24:10 Unknown speaker This This is a pig with lipstick.
  3879. 3:24:14 Unknown speaker That is time. That is time. Thank you,
  3880. 3:24:16 Unknown speaker Robert Brunson.
  3881. 3:24:31 Unknown speaker Hello, my name is uh Robert Brun. I live
  3882. 3:24:33 Unknown speaker in uh 12626 Hillrest Drive. I'm talking
  3883. 3:24:38 Unknown speaker speaking for my wife and a few friends
  3884. 3:24:40 Unknown speaker on this thing. And I'm kind of
  3885. 3:24:41 Unknown speaker frustrated very honestly because the the
  3886. 3:24:43 Unknown speaker the notice we have there when it
  3887. 3:24:45 Unknown speaker described this thing. It kind of to me
  3888. 3:24:47 Unknown speaker it it was very different than what I saw
  3889. 3:24:49 Unknown speaker here on this on this presentation. And I
  3890. 3:24:51 Unknown speaker wish we'd had a presentation to start
  3891. 3:24:53 Unknown speaker with so you you know how to fight the
  3892. 3:24:55 Unknown speaker right battle on this, but it's really
  3893. 3:24:57 Unknown speaker the the the I I I I ran the mechanical
  3894. 3:25:01 Unknown speaker contracting company's chief operating
  3895. 3:25:02 Unknown speaker officer of a large contractor for for a
  3896. 3:25:05 Unknown speaker long time and and and I know the devil's
  3897. 3:25:07 Unknown speaker in the details on these things and I
  3898. 3:25:09 Unknown speaker know that performers either work or they
  3899. 3:25:11 Unknown speaker don't work and people build things if
  3900. 3:25:13 Unknown speaker they can make money and they don't if
  3901. 3:25:14 Unknown speaker they don't. It's and and when I hear
  3902. 3:25:16 Unknown speaker things like uh traffic mitigation things
  3903. 3:25:19 Unknown speaker that doesn't mean anything to me. I'm an
  3904. 3:25:20 Unknown speaker engineer. I know that doesn't mean
  3905. 3:25:22 Unknown speaker anything. And so the the thing is I what
  3906. 3:25:25 Unknown speaker the bottom line with me is everybody in
  3907. 3:25:28 Unknown speaker this in the in the subdivision deserves
  3908. 3:25:32 Unknown speaker a reasonable treatment. I know that you
  3909. 3:25:35 Unknown speaker may not know but a lot of people around
  3910. 3:25:38 Unknown speaker there including myself are are in
  3911. 3:25:40 Unknown speaker retirement years. Excuse me.
  3912. 3:25:44 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  3913. 3:25:45 Unknown speaker And the and the last thing we want to
  3914. 3:25:47 Unknown speaker that we want to do is is have them lose
  3915. 3:25:50 Unknown speaker value on their house that makes them
  3916. 3:25:52 Unknown speaker live in in in their next assisted living
  3917. 3:25:54 Unknown speaker home and totally change their lifestyle.
  3918. 3:25:56 Unknown speaker And that could absolutely happen uh if
  3919. 3:25:59 Unknown speaker this isn't handled correctly. And the
  3920. 3:26:01 Unknown speaker promises aren't kept and and things are
  3921. 3:26:03 Unknown speaker let you know the the the nose the
  3922. 3:26:05 Unknown speaker camel's nose under the tent thing is
  3923. 3:26:08 Unknown speaker real and and I've seen it with in our in
  3924. 3:26:10 Unknown speaker my business when I when we ran it. I
  3925. 3:26:12 Unknown speaker I've fought that on many many projects
  3926. 3:26:15 Unknown speaker and I know that it if you don't stop it
  3927. 3:26:17 Unknown speaker and make details happen early. Um
  3928. 3:26:21 Unknown speaker there's no such thing as as um people
  3929. 3:26:24 Unknown speaker doing better than they said they would.
  3930. 3:26:26 Unknown speaker And so I think if without a doubt,
  3931. 3:26:29 Unknown speaker excuse me, that that um people are owed
  3932. 3:26:32 Unknown speaker the details early on before decisions
  3933. 3:26:35 Unknown speaker are made. And I and they can say they
  3934. 3:26:36 Unknown speaker they can't do concepts. I've I I totally
  3935. 3:26:39 Unknown speaker disagree. concepts could be dialed down
  3936. 3:26:42 Unknown speaker to a way stronger de uh uh uh point um
  3937. 3:26:47 Unknown speaker for decisions to be made than than than
  3938. 3:26:49 Unknown speaker than developers pretend they are. I've
  3939. 3:26:51 Unknown speaker I've lived it and I know that's true.
  3940. 3:26:54 Unknown speaker And so that so uh without a doubt we're
  3941. 3:26:57 Unknown speaker asking to have have the details up front
  3942. 3:27:00 Unknown speaker um so that we can talk real things um
  3943. 3:27:02 Unknown speaker and and mitigate the the true impact on
  3944. 3:27:05 Unknown speaker the Willis Heights uh people's and their
  3945. 3:27:07 Unknown speaker and their value.
  3946. 3:27:10 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3947. 3:27:11 Unknown speaker Thank you, Beth Taylor.
  3948. 3:27:20 Unknown speaker Beth Taylor, Coline Drive in Willis
  3949. 3:27:22 Unknown speaker Heights. I'd like to go back to the
  3950. 3:27:24 Unknown speaker beginning of the process with the
  3951. 3:27:26 Unknown speaker Longmont Gateway North proposal. My
  3952. 3:27:28 Unknown speaker husband and I are very disappointed with
  3953. 3:27:30 Unknown speaker the planning commission members. It was
  3954. 3:27:32 Unknown speaker stated by a member that they were given
  3955. 3:27:35 Unknown speaker a 2,000page report the Friday before the
  3956. 3:27:38 Unknown speaker Wednesday, May 20th meeting where they
  3957. 3:27:40 Unknown speaker were to decide to annex the land for the
  3958. 3:27:43 Unknown speaker unwanted development. A few of them said
  3959. 3:27:45 Unknown speaker they couldn't read the whole packet in
  3960. 3:27:47 Unknown speaker that short time, which is
  3961. 3:27:49 Unknown speaker understandable. However, they voted to
  3962. 3:27:52 Unknown speaker annex the property without full
  3963. 3:27:53 Unknown speaker knowledge of the project. They were also
  3964. 3:27:56 Unknown speaker unaware of the letter to Kristen Colt
  3965. 3:27:58 Unknown speaker from um Hannah Hipley, the long range
  3966. 3:28:01 Unknown speaker planning division manager of Boulder
  3967. 3:28:03 Unknown speaker County on May 1st of 2025.
  3968. 3:28:06 Unknown speaker The last paragraph states of her letter
  3969. 3:28:09 Unknown speaker says, "At this time, it does not appear
  3970. 3:28:11 Unknown speaker that the existing or proposed
  3971. 3:28:13 Unknown speaker transportation infrastructure
  3972. 3:28:16 Unknown speaker is sufficient to support their this
  3973. 3:28:18 Unknown speaker proposal and it would create a
  3974. 3:28:21 Unknown speaker significant burden on the county
  3975. 3:28:23 Unknown speaker residents infrastructure and resources.
  3976. 3:28:26 Unknown speaker If you have followed the post on the
  3977. 3:28:28 Unknown speaker next door and really listened to the
  3978. 3:28:30 Unknown speaker residents, you should not approve this
  3979. 3:28:32 Unknown speaker development because we not only are
  3980. 3:28:35 Unknown speaker worried about adding more traffic to the
  3981. 3:28:37 Unknown speaker already craziness of Route 66 and 287
  3982. 3:28:40 Unknown speaker where there have been a number of
  3983. 3:28:42 Unknown speaker crashes, but we are also worried about
  3984. 3:28:44 Unknown speaker the adequate police, fire personnel as
  3985. 3:28:47 Unknown speaker well well as their equipment, water, and
  3986. 3:28:50 Unknown speaker power usage by more residents.
  3987. 3:28:53 Unknown speaker Personally, I don't like all of the
  3988. 3:28:55 Unknown speaker different
  3989. 3:28:57 Unknown speaker builders coming from here to make our
  3990. 3:29:00 Unknown speaker nice, quaint town being turned into a
  3991. 3:29:02 Unknown speaker huge, hightraic, unsafe, crammedin
  3992. 3:29:05 Unknown speaker housing city where we can no longer see
  3993. 3:29:07 Unknown speaker the mountains only rooftops.
  3994. 3:29:11 Unknown speaker Also, we'll be sitting in more traffic
  3995. 3:29:13 Unknown speaker or worse yet, crashes.
  3996. 3:29:15 Unknown speaker Finally, as of today on Zillow, there
  3997. 3:29:18 Unknown speaker are 505 homes for sale, 1,120 rentals,
  3998. 3:29:23 Unknown speaker even before all these other buildings
  3999. 3:29:25 Unknown speaker are finished. I also checked with real
  4000. 3:29:28 Unknown speaker litterer.com and found, similar to
  4001. 3:29:29 Unknown speaker Zillow, 589 homes for sale and
  4002. 3:29:32 Unknown speaker apartments.com listed 1,33
  4003. 3:29:37 Unknown speaker apartments. The council continues to say
  4004. 3:29:39 Unknown speaker they are putting low rent affordable
  4005. 3:29:41 Unknown speaker places in. That is wrong. Again,
  4006. 3:29:45 Unknown speaker apartment.com lists only 19 apartments
  4007. 3:29:49 Unknown speaker with rent at or below $1,200 plus their
  4008. 3:29:52 Unknown speaker fees.
  4009. 3:29:54 Unknown speaker All this building is ruining Longmont's
  4010. 3:29:57 Unknown speaker charm and familyfriendly town, which was
  4011. 3:30:00 Unknown speaker the big reason we moved here. So, I
  4012. 3:30:03 Unknown speaker strongly urge no, I even beg the city
  4013. 3:30:07 Unknown speaker council to listen to the current
  4014. 3:30:08 Unknown speaker residents and stop the crazy building.
  4015. 3:30:13 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  4016. 3:30:15 Unknown speaker Thank you, Roberta Tanner.
  4017. 3:30:23 Unknown speaker Robera Tanner. I live on Woodland Drive
  4018. 3:30:25 Unknown speaker in Longmont. Um, first I'd like to
  4019. 3:30:27 Unknown speaker apologize for my outburst. However, I
  4020. 3:30:29 Unknown speaker would suggest to the council that you
  4021. 3:30:31 Unknown speaker find out when this traffic study was
  4022. 3:30:33 Unknown speaker done. Um, rumors are that it was done
  4023. 3:30:35 Unknown speaker before Walmart was even built. So, that
  4024. 3:30:37 Unknown speaker was a long, long time ago. When I first
  4025. 3:30:40 Unknown speaker saw it, I thought it must have been done
  4026. 3:30:41 Unknown speaker on a on a Sunday that we had this big
  4027. 3:30:43 Unknown speaker snowstorm or something because we get
  4028. 3:30:46 Unknown speaker continual traffic through our
  4029. 3:30:48 Unknown speaker neighborhood um between at 4:00 and 6:00
  4030. 3:30:51 Unknown speaker in the afternoon, people turning off of
  4031. 3:30:54 Unknown speaker Highway 66 onto our neighborhood,
  4032. 3:30:56 Unknown speaker Hillrest, and then Park Ridge, and then
  4033. 3:30:58 Unknown speaker out left or across on uh 287. Um, the
  4034. 3:31:03 Unknown speaker second thing I would wonder uh that I
  4035. 3:31:05 Unknown speaker hope you will ask about is the builder
  4036. 3:31:08 Unknown speaker has suggested that they
  4037. 3:31:11 Unknown speaker have mitigated the traffic or something
  4038. 3:31:13 Unknown speaker so it won't go through the neighborhood.
  4039. 3:31:15 Unknown speaker And I I don't know for sure if he's
  4040. 3:31:17 Unknown speaker talking only about the adding the
  4041. 3:31:18 Unknown speaker stoplight. Yes, that will slow traffic
  4042. 3:31:20 Unknown speaker down on 287, but it doesn't really have
  4043. 3:31:23 Unknown speaker any effect on traffic going through our
  4044. 3:31:25 Unknown speaker neighborhood.
  4045. 3:31:26 Unknown speaker Let's see, there was a third. Just a
  4046. 3:31:28 Unknown speaker minute.
  4047. 3:31:31 Unknown speaker I don't remember. So, thank you. Thank
  4048. 3:31:35 Unknown speaker you.
  4049. 3:31:37 Unknown speaker Uh, Lucas Flax.
  4050. 3:31:45 Unknown speaker It was tiny.
  4051. 3:31:47 Unknown speaker Thank you, Madame Mayor, council
  4052. 3:31:49 Unknown speaker [clears throat] members. I'm Lucas Flax,
  4053. 3:31:50 Unknown speaker Park Ridge Avenue in Willis Heights.
  4054. 3:31:52 Unknown speaker And, uh, wow, there's a lot going on
  4055. 3:31:54 Unknown speaker with this project. Um, my two points
  4056. 3:31:56 Unknown speaker were actually addressed in Mr. Neil's
  4057. 3:31:59 Unknown speaker um, misconceptions. So, thank you for
  4058. 3:32:01 Unknown speaker going through those. Um, appreciate
  4059. 3:32:03 Unknown speaker that. The first was on access points.
  4060. 3:32:05 Unknown speaker Um, thank you, Council Member Hopkins,
  4061. 3:32:07 Unknown speaker for bringing up that discussion. Um,
  4062. 3:32:09 Unknown speaker that helped out a lot. I think where it
  4063. 3:32:13 Unknown speaker might help, um, Mr. Bronson stated the
  4064. 3:32:15 Unknown speaker devil's in the details. We know this is
  4065. 3:32:17 Unknown speaker a concept plan. We know it's really high
  4066. 3:32:19 Unknown speaker level. There are a lot of things going
  4067. 3:32:20 Unknown speaker on, but with [clears throat] the four
  4068. 3:32:22 Unknown speaker conditions that are with this ordinance,
  4069. 3:32:26 Unknown speaker some slight verbiage changes might
  4070. 3:32:27 Unknown speaker really help some of the residents. Uh
  4071. 3:32:29 Unknown speaker number three states uh mitigate adverse
  4072. 3:32:32 Unknown speaker traffic impacts to the maximum extent
  4073. 3:32:34 Unknown speaker feasible um to reduce pass through
  4074. 3:32:37 Unknown speaker vehicle speeds. It's not just speeds
  4075. 3:32:39 Unknown speaker that we're concerned with, it's the
  4076. 3:32:40 Unknown speaker volume. So if there could be some
  4077. 3:32:42 Unknown speaker language added in there about the volume
  4078. 3:32:44 Unknown speaker of traffic, uh that would help. The
  4079. 3:32:47 Unknown speaker second point I had was on drainage,
  4080. 3:32:48 Unknown speaker which was addressed in the
  4081. 3:32:49 Unknown speaker misconceptions.
  4082. 3:32:51 Unknown speaker The only thing in the concept plan it
  4083. 3:32:52 Unknown speaker says is there's an outline of a water
  4084. 3:32:55 Unknown speaker quality and detention pond and it says
  4085. 3:32:57 Unknown speaker that it'll comply with City Longmont
  4086. 3:32:59 Unknown speaker storm drainage criteria manual. Um the
  4087. 3:33:03 Unknown speaker the local outfall for Willis Heights is
  4088. 3:33:06 Unknown speaker uh a pan and a small ditch by the
  4089. 3:33:08 Unknown speaker church's parking lot. This would be
  4090. 3:33:11 Unknown speaker accessible from where their concept pond
  4091. 3:33:14 Unknown speaker is located. If there could be some
  4092. 3:33:15 Unknown speaker verbiage in there, maybe a fifth
  4093. 3:33:17 Unknown speaker condition stating where the outfall for
  4094. 3:33:19 Unknown speaker the project would be, I think that could
  4095. 3:33:21 Unknown speaker alleviate uh a lot of our storm drainage
  4096. 3:33:23 Unknown speaker concerns as well. Um, but in general, I
  4097. 3:33:28 Unknown speaker feel like the developer and the engineer
  4098. 3:33:29 Unknown speaker have really listened to us, especially
  4099. 3:33:30 Unknown speaker in terms of access point. So, I want to
  4100. 3:33:32 Unknown speaker thank their efforts and thank you guys.
  4101. 3:33:36 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, Tim Chef
  4102. 3:33:50 Unknown speaker Good evening or I guess good night. Um
  4103. 3:33:53 Unknown speaker my name is Tim Sha. I live at 12707
  4104. 3:33:56 Unknown speaker Hillrest Drive. Um I want to say this is
  4105. 3:33:59 Unknown speaker my third meeting with these guys and um
  4106. 3:34:03 Unknown speaker and I agree with the what the last
  4107. 3:34:05 Unknown speaker gentleman said. I think they've listened
  4108. 3:34:06 Unknown speaker to a lot of what they said and I think
  4109. 3:34:08 Unknown speaker they're trying to address some of those
  4110. 3:34:10 Unknown speaker issues. Um, I also want to say that um
  4111. 3:34:13 Unknown speaker I'm not against housing. I'm I'm a firm
  4112. 3:34:15 Unknown speaker believer that affordable housing should
  4113. 3:34:17 Unknown speaker be a right in this country and not a
  4114. 3:34:19 Unknown speaker privilege. That's a whole another issue,
  4115. 3:34:21 Unknown speaker but that's what I believe. And um for
  4116. 3:34:24 Unknown speaker me, what this all comes down to is
  4117. 3:34:25 Unknown speaker traffic. And we're talking about putting
  4118. 3:34:28 Unknown speaker Copper Peak on one side and nobody's
  4119. 3:34:30 Unknown speaker even mentioned Bo Prey Farms on the
  4120. 3:34:32 Unknown speaker other side of Lifebridge Church. That's
  4121. 3:34:34 Unknown speaker going to be probably what another 3 to
  4122. 3:34:36 Unknown speaker 500 units. It's the numbers that I've
  4123. 3:34:37 Unknown speaker seen kicked around. And um so you're
  4124. 3:34:41 Unknown speaker those are within two miles of each
  4125. 3:34:42 Unknown speaker other. We moved up here in 2019. So I
  4126. 3:34:46 Unknown speaker drove back to Boulder. That's where I
  4127. 3:34:47 Unknown speaker worked back in Boulder for those six
  4128. 3:34:49 Unknown speaker years until I retired. And um so for six
  4129. 3:34:53 Unknown speaker years I went down to Park Ridge. I took
  4130. 3:34:55 Unknown speaker a right onto 66. And I can tell you um I
  4131. 3:34:59 Unknown speaker don't know if all you anybody remembers
  4132. 3:35:01 Unknown speaker the Jetsons, but it was getting into
  4133. 3:35:03 Unknown speaker getting on to 66 was just like George
  4134. 3:35:06 Unknown speaker getting his little spaceship. You had to
  4135. 3:35:08 Unknown speaker be doing 65 miles an hour as quick as
  4136. 3:35:10 Unknown speaker you could because if the people coming
  4137. 3:35:12 Unknown speaker west on 66 had to light at 287, they
  4138. 3:35:15 Unknown speaker were already doing 65 when they hit
  4139. 3:35:16 Unknown speaker Hillrest. And if the people coming off
  4140. 3:35:19 Unknown speaker at 287 came around the corner, they were
  4141. 3:35:21 Unknown speaker they were speeding up to 65 by the time
  4142. 3:35:23 Unknown speaker they hit Hillrest. It's about a quoas
  4143. 3:35:25 Unknown speaker 210 of a mile from uh Hillrest to 287.
  4144. 3:35:29 Unknown speaker It's 210 of a mile from Hillrest to Gay
  4145. 3:35:32 Unknown speaker Street. And I'm coming home coming the
  4146. 3:35:34 Unknown speaker other way coming east on 66. I've been I
  4147. 3:35:37 Unknown speaker sat in traffic that backed up from 287
  4148. 3:35:39 Unknown speaker past uh Gay Street and there's no way
  4149. 3:35:43 Unknown speaker that anybody can convince me that
  4150. 3:35:45 Unknown speaker anybody living north of Willis Heights
  4151. 3:35:47 Unknown speaker is going to drive out to 287 on the way
  4152. 3:35:49 Unknown speaker to work if they got to go down 66 and go
  4153. 3:35:52 Unknown speaker west and get into that traffic, which if
  4154. 3:35:55 Unknown speaker you pull off a if you go to Park Ridge
  4155. 3:35:57 Unknown speaker and um and 287 and sometimes in the
  4156. 3:36:01 Unknown speaker morning the traffic is backed up over
  4157. 3:36:03 Unknown speaker the hill. That's how much traffic is
  4158. 3:36:05 Unknown speaker coming south on that road, right?
  4159. 3:36:07 Unknown speaker Nobody's going to drive into that
  4160. 3:36:08 Unknown speaker traffic. They're going to come through
  4161. 3:36:09 Unknown speaker our neighborhood. And when they're
  4162. 3:36:11 Unknown speaker coming east on 66 and trying to get home
  4163. 3:36:13 Unknown speaker to that neighborhood north of us,
  4164. 3:36:15 Unknown speaker they're going to cut around that line of
  4165. 3:36:17 Unknown speaker traffic and they're going to just get in
  4166. 3:36:18 Unknown speaker that that lefthand turn for Hillrest and
  4167. 3:36:20 Unknown speaker they're going to drive through our
  4168. 3:36:22 Unknown speaker Anybody with any common sense is going
  4169. 3:36:23 Unknown speaker to do that. And I don't know any way
  4170. 3:36:25 Unknown speaker that they can mitigate that. I would
  4171. 3:36:27 Unknown speaker drive through a maze in my neighborhood
  4172. 3:36:29 Unknown speaker rather than sit in traffic. It's just
  4173. 3:36:30 Unknown speaker human nature, right? as long as you're
  4174. 3:36:32 Unknown speaker moving, you feel like you're getting
  4175. 3:36:33 Unknown speaker somewhere. When you're sitting in
  4176. 3:36:34 Unknown speaker traffic, you're getting frustrated. So,
  4177. 3:36:36 Unknown speaker it's all about traffic. And people have
  4178. 3:36:38 Unknown speaker already mentioned the safety issues. So,
  4179. 3:36:41 Unknown speaker and I just want to say thanks. I
  4180. 3:36:42 Unknown speaker appreciate you guys being willing to
  4181. 3:36:44 Unknown speaker take on these issues and make these
  4182. 3:36:45 Unknown speaker decisions for us. So, thank you.
  4183. 3:36:49 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  4184. 3:36:49 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um Rebecca Sha, I think
  4185. 3:36:53 Unknown speaker Shaft.
  4186. 3:36:58 Unknown speaker Hey, I'm Rebecca Sha. I'm I live on Park
  4187. 3:37:01 Unknown speaker Ridge. No, where do I live? Hillrest in
  4188. 3:37:03 Unknown speaker Willis Heights. I also apologize for my
  4189. 3:37:05 Unknown speaker outburst, but that whatever that traffic
  4190. 3:37:08 Unknown speaker study was, I don't know that person was
  4191. 3:37:10 Unknown speaker eating too many gummies or I don't know
  4192. 3:37:12 Unknown speaker when that happened, but that was totally
  4193. 3:37:14 Unknown speaker false. And what he just said, that was
  4194. 3:37:16 Unknown speaker my husband.
  4195. 3:37:17 Unknown speaker I don't know what he's talking about
  4196. 3:37:19 Unknown speaker because that thing he just described
  4197. 3:37:21 Unknown speaker that is happening now. People that are
  4198. 3:37:24 Unknown speaker that is already happening. So, um yeah.
  4199. 3:37:27 Unknown speaker So, I'm I I can see the writing's on the
  4200. 3:37:29 Unknown speaker wall. You guys are going to pass this
  4201. 3:37:30 Unknown speaker thing. It's going to happen. I'm just
  4202. 3:37:32 Unknown speaker hoping that you will make it make some
  4203. 3:37:38 Unknown speaker put some This is my suggestion. You put
  4204. 3:37:41 Unknown speaker some um signs signage that make it
  4205. 3:37:44 Unknown speaker illegal to make a right-hand turn
  4206. 3:37:46 Unknown speaker between morning hours, like maybe 7 to 9
  4207. 3:37:49 Unknown speaker a.m. if you're traveling south on 287.
  4208. 3:37:53 Unknown speaker So, you can't take a right onto Park
  4209. 3:37:55 Unknown speaker Ridge. And then the same thing on, you
  4210. 3:37:58 Unknown speaker know, in the evening, you can't take a
  4211. 3:37:59 Unknown speaker left onto from office. If you're
  4212. 3:38:02 Unknown speaker traveling uh east on 66, you can't take
  4213. 3:38:05 Unknown speaker a left onto onto Hillrest so people
  4214. 3:38:08 Unknown speaker don't zip through our neighborhood and
  4215. 3:38:10 Unknown speaker do that. And also try to help us get the
  4216. 3:38:12 Unknown speaker county to put some speed bumps on our
  4217. 3:38:15 Unknown speaker roads just to to mitigate that. And also
  4218. 3:38:18 Unknown speaker I just have to say, you know, he said
  4219. 3:38:21 Unknown speaker that, you know, put this land is empty
  4220. 3:38:24 Unknown speaker right now and they think that it's going
  4221. 3:38:27 Unknown speaker to become safer because now Longmont PD
  4222. 3:38:29 Unknown speaker is going to be patrolling when they put
  4223. 3:38:32 Unknown speaker housing in there. There no crime is
  4224. 3:38:34 Unknown speaker happening there. It's an empty field, so
  4225. 3:38:37 Unknown speaker it's not going to be safer. And I
  4226. 3:38:39 Unknown speaker haven't heard you guys talk about
  4227. 3:38:40 Unknown speaker anything to do with a plan to increase
  4228. 3:38:43 Unknown speaker infrastructure for um
  4229. 3:38:47 Unknown speaker uh you know like ambulance service,
  4230. 3:38:50 Unknown speaker fire, um police, any of that. So that's
  4231. 3:38:54 Unknown speaker what I'm concerned about that you're
  4232. 3:38:56 Unknown speaker adding more people. You're you're going
  4233. 3:38:58 Unknown speaker to just add more crime and you know
  4234. 3:39:00 Unknown speaker that's what those are my concerns and I
  4235. 3:39:02 Unknown speaker am totally psyched that we're going to
  4236. 3:39:04 Unknown speaker have an airport bus. So thank you for
  4237. 3:39:06 Unknown speaker that. Thank you.
  4238. 3:39:08 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you.
  4239. 3:39:10 Unknown speaker Uh the next person is
  4240. 3:39:13 Unknown speaker uh Julie Serini.
  4241. 3:39:16 Unknown speaker And if you could repeat it, I got
  4242. 3:39:19 Unknown speaker Okay, good.
  4243. 3:39:25 Unknown speaker Good evening.
  4244. 3:39:28 Unknown speaker I find it very ironic that your first
  4245. 3:39:30 Unknown speaker speaker this evening topped on the
  4246. 3:39:33 Unknown speaker community survey and it really did touch
  4247. 3:39:36 Unknown speaker on some issues that do kind of concern
  4248. 3:39:38 Unknown speaker me with both the traffic congestion and
  4249. 3:39:42 Unknown speaker the homelessness being a problem at 95%.
  4250. 3:39:45 Unknown speaker We're not strangers to the homeless that
  4251. 3:39:48 Unknown speaker have that tend to accumulate in the
  4252. 3:39:50 Unknown speaker Walmart parking lot.
  4253. 3:39:52 Unknown speaker What bothers me is that the crime pops
  4254. 3:39:54 Unknown speaker up at 86%.
  4255. 3:39:57 Unknown speaker Knowing you're the combination of
  4256. 3:40:00 Unknown speaker multi-family units in our area, there's
  4257. 3:40:04 Unknown speaker obviously going to be more crime.
  4258. 3:40:06 Unknown speaker Granted, it's been a few years since
  4259. 3:40:07 Unknown speaker I've had the sheriff's knocking at my
  4260. 3:40:09 Unknown speaker door saying, "Yeah, you must have heard
  4261. 3:40:10 Unknown speaker the gunshots. It was aimed towards your
  4262. 3:40:12 Unknown speaker house. We were lucky there was no
  4263. 3:40:14 Unknown speaker damage." I'm concerned about more
  4264. 3:40:17 Unknown speaker incidents like that popping up, though.
  4265. 3:40:20 Unknown speaker I'm glad that you are considering
  4266. 3:40:23 Unknown speaker beefing up. That's the word I want to
  4267. 3:40:25 Unknown speaker use. Any kind of police presence. I'm
  4268. 3:40:27 Unknown speaker just not sure if it's going to be
  4269. 3:40:28 Unknown speaker enough. We are a very tight commit
  4270. 3:40:31 Unknown speaker community. We look out for each other. I
  4271. 3:40:34 Unknown speaker can't that's priceless. You can't take
  4272. 3:40:36 Unknown speaker that away from anyone.
  4273. 3:40:38 Unknown speaker So, regardless of what kind of dwellings
  4274. 3:40:41 Unknown speaker you're considering, I would really
  4275. 3:40:42 Unknown speaker appreciate you to
  4276. 3:40:45 Unknown speaker consider the fact our safety is very
  4277. 3:40:46 Unknown speaker tantamount to us in our neighborhood.
  4278. 3:40:49 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  4279. 3:40:52 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, now I'm going to the list
  4280. 3:40:56 Unknown speaker um from public invited to be heard.
  4281. 3:40:58 Unknown speaker Phillip um dlo is that it I don't know
  4282. 3:41:04 Unknown speaker if you could repeat your last name.
  4283. 3:41:05 Unknown speaker You got it right. Thank you very much.
  4284. 3:41:07 Unknown speaker Uh mayor and council. Um
  4285. 3:41:12 Unknown speaker interesting that the community
  4286. 3:41:13 Unknown speaker satisfaction survey listed traffic as
  4287. 3:41:16 Unknown speaker such a high priority. Um, you guys don't
  4288. 3:41:20 Unknown speaker represent me. Uh, I'm I'm here to ask
  4289. 3:41:23 Unknown speaker you to listen to uh us. I'm I live in
  4290. 3:41:26 Unknown speaker Willis Heights. Um, traffic is my
  4291. 3:41:30 Unknown speaker biggest issue with this development. Um,
  4292. 3:41:33 Unknown speaker your your name tag fell down. Uh,
  4293. 3:41:36 Unknown speaker Commissioner,
  4294. 3:41:39 Unknown speaker what's your last name?
  4295. 3:41:40 Unknown speaker Chris.
  4296. 3:41:41 Unknown speaker Chris. Okay. Um you you asked you asked
  4297. 3:41:45 Unknown speaker about you know why the density was so
  4298. 3:41:47 Unknown speaker low. So uh Willis Heights is a Boulder
  4299. 3:41:51 Unknown speaker County rural subdivision and it was
  4300. 3:41:53 Unknown speaker platted long ago and and it used to be
  4301. 3:41:55 Unknown speaker that Hillrest Drive went into this
  4302. 3:41:58 Unknown speaker property on the north end that that
  4303. 3:42:01 Unknown speaker access was abandoned. Uh Rosland Avenue
  4304. 3:42:04 Unknown speaker was not abandoned. There's a house
  4305. 3:42:06 Unknown speaker tucked back in there so that that access
  4306. 3:42:09 Unknown speaker was preserved. But um Boulder County
  4307. 3:42:13 Unknown speaker some years ago enacted a special
  4308. 3:42:15 Unknown speaker assessment on rural subdivisions uh
  4309. 3:42:18 Unknown speaker throughout the county in the mountains
  4310. 3:42:19 Unknown speaker and down here and including Willis
  4311. 3:42:21 Unknown speaker Heights to pay for the roads.
  4312. 3:42:25 Unknown speaker Uh they they maintained that, you know,
  4313. 3:42:28 Unknown speaker hey, we we're only going to deal with
  4314. 3:42:30 Unknown speaker the arterials. we're not going to deal
  4315. 3:42:32 Unknown speaker with these, you know, these local um
  4316. 3:42:36 Unknown speaker subdivision roads. And so they taxed us.
  4317. 3:42:38 Unknown speaker They they enacted a special tax and they
  4318. 3:42:41 Unknown speaker were sued and ultimately that suit
  4319. 3:42:44 Unknown speaker resulted in that tax being refunded. But
  4320. 3:42:46 Unknown speaker we paid it. We got our money back
  4321. 3:42:49 Unknown speaker thankfully. But you know, the point is
  4322. 3:42:52 Unknown speaker Boulder County owns the roads and
  4323. 3:42:54 Unknown speaker they're supposed to maintain them and
  4324. 3:42:55 Unknown speaker that court's ruling, you know,
  4325. 3:42:57 Unknown speaker reinforced that. However, Boulder County
  4326. 3:43:00 Unknown speaker states to this day that they will not m
  4327. 3:43:04 Unknown speaker that they will not do anything but basic
  4328. 3:43:06 Unknown speaker maintenance on those roads. Now, um the
  4329. 3:43:11 Unknown speaker reason that we're concerned is that at
  4330. 3:43:15 Unknown speaker the existing uh density, zoning density,
  4331. 3:43:19 Unknown speaker the traffic is fairly minimal. It's the
  4332. 3:43:22 Unknown speaker the zoning is very similar to what we
  4333. 3:43:24 Unknown speaker have today. We're not wouldn't be a big
  4334. 3:43:28 Unknown speaker uh impact on our roads, but this new
  4335. 3:43:31 Unknown speaker stuff is will be a big impact. Now, at
  4336. 3:43:34 Unknown speaker the planning meeting,
  4337. 3:43:37 Unknown speaker uh the developer admitted that their
  4338. 3:43:40 Unknown speaker study didn't include their traffic study
  4339. 3:43:42 Unknown speaker didn't include access on Rosean Avenue.
  4340. 3:43:45 Unknown speaker Maybe they've redone that study since
  4341. 3:43:47 Unknown speaker then. I don't know. This is only the
  4342. 3:43:50 Unknown speaker second meeting that I've been able to
  4343. 3:43:51 Unknown speaker speak uh about this um that I've been
  4344. 3:43:55 Unknown speaker invited to. Uh anyway, fire made it
  4345. 3:43:57 Unknown speaker clear that they need to have two
  4346. 3:43:59 Unknown speaker accesses in order to do this density
  4347. 3:44:02 Unknown speaker that they want. Without the density,
  4348. 3:44:04 Unknown speaker they don't need the access.
  4349. 3:44:07 Unknown speaker Please don't approve it. Thank you.
  4350. 3:44:09 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, Devin Falcons.
  4351. 3:44:19 Unknown speaker Hello. My name is Devin Felins and I
  4352. 3:44:21 Unknown speaker live at 12958 Waterbury Road. My first
  4353. 3:44:25 Unknown speaker question and just by show of hands, who
  4354. 3:44:27 Unknown speaker here has lived in Longmont longer than
  4355. 3:44:28 Unknown speaker 10 years?
  4356. 3:44:32 Unknown speaker Okay, thank you guys.
  4357. 3:44:34 Unknown speaker My next couple things are did you know
  4358. 3:44:36 Unknown speaker that Longmont is in the top 20 suburbs
  4359. 3:44:39 Unknown speaker in the US by apartments built since 2016
  4360. 3:44:43 Unknown speaker with just about over 4,000 units built
  4361. 3:44:46 Unknown speaker in the last 10 years. So if we take a
  4362. 3:44:49 Unknown speaker look at the beautiful statistic that we
  4363. 3:44:51 Unknown speaker had earlier, we could see that one of
  4364. 3:44:53 Unknown speaker the number one concerns is too fast of
  4365. 3:44:55 Unknown speaker growth. And I understand the need for
  4366. 3:44:59 Unknown speaker growth. I've lived in this town most of
  4367. 3:45:01 Unknown speaker my life and I appreciate having more
  4368. 3:45:03 Unknown speaker stuff to do. Most of me and my friends
  4369. 3:45:05 Unknown speaker in my age group, you know, 27 to 36,
  4370. 3:45:08 Unknown speaker which was that blue section, we all go
  4371. 3:45:12 Unknown speaker out of town most of the time for having
  4372. 3:45:14 Unknown speaker fun. And so I appreciate the thought of
  4373. 3:45:16 Unknown speaker trying to bring more things into
  4374. 3:45:19 Unknown speaker Longmont for us to do. However, if you
  4375. 3:45:22 Unknown speaker Google what is Longmont known for,
  4376. 3:45:25 Unknown speaker couple interesting things pop up. First
  4377. 3:45:27 Unknown speaker thing is farming heritage.
  4378. 3:45:30 Unknown speaker Kind of interesting when you think about
  4379. 3:45:33 Unknown speaker it because when you come into town on
  4380. 3:45:34 Unknown speaker all four of our sides, it's apartments
  4381. 3:45:36 Unknown speaker on every single side and very little
  4382. 3:45:38 Unknown speaker farmland left. Now, obviously, we have a
  4383. 3:45:40 Unknown speaker little bit on 66 and stuff like that,
  4384. 3:45:43 Unknown speaker but majority of the time, we're turning
  4385. 3:45:46 Unknown speaker more into a city infrastructure than
  4386. 3:45:48 Unknown speaker agricultural infrastructure.
  4387. 3:45:51 Unknown speaker Now, [snorts] speaking of infrastructure
  4388. 3:45:53 Unknown speaker and traffic, you know, I don't know if
  4389. 3:45:56 Unknown speaker you guys have much addressed the me or
  4390. 3:45:58 Unknown speaker the city of ME's plan of expansion, but
  4391. 3:46:01 Unknown speaker they're looking at over 40 to 50,000 new
  4392. 3:46:03 Unknown speaker residents within the next 10 years. And
  4393. 3:46:05 Unknown speaker that's
  4394. 3:46:07 Unknown speaker 40,000 new residents commuting on 66,
  4395. 3:46:10 Unknown speaker commuting on 287, going in different
  4396. 3:46:13 Unknown speaker places that involve going through
  4397. 3:46:15 Unknown speaker Longmont. And my biggest concern is I
  4398. 3:46:18 Unknown speaker know we don't have the infrastructure to
  4399. 3:46:19 Unknown speaker support it because right now we don't
  4400. 3:46:22 Unknown speaker have what we currently have. You know, I
  4401. 3:46:25 Unknown speaker drive thousands of miles a week for my
  4402. 3:46:27 Unknown speaker job and I can tell you getting in and
  4403. 3:46:29 Unknown speaker out of Longmont during any kind of
  4404. 3:46:31 Unknown speaker traffic time is an absolute nightmare.
  4405. 3:46:33 Unknown speaker It's worth taking any kind of back road
  4406. 3:46:36 Unknown speaker that is not a main highway to get into
  4407. 3:46:37 Unknown speaker here rather than take a major highway.
  4408. 3:46:41 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  4409. 3:46:42 Unknown speaker Now, let's see. Where was my other
  4410. 3:46:45 Unknown speaker point?
  4411. 3:46:46 Unknown speaker The other big concern is crime rate. Now
  4412. 3:46:50 Unknown speaker long obviously as things grow crime will
  4413. 3:46:53 Unknown speaker increase but we've had a little bit
  4414. 3:46:57 Unknown speaker I don't want to say unfair
  4415. 3:47:00 Unknown speaker advantage in terms of having super low
  4416. 3:47:02 Unknown speaker density in before but now with the
  4417. 3:47:05 Unknown speaker increase of everything we've gone from a
  4418. 3:47:07 Unknown speaker relatively safe town to a C rating in
  4419. 3:47:10 Unknown speaker national average. So, fairly low, not
  4420. 3:47:13 Unknown speaker terrible, but I would just like to see
  4421. 3:47:16 Unknown speaker more thought being put into this plan
  4422. 3:47:18 Unknown speaker rather than just fancy words.
  4423. 3:47:21 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, is there anyone
  4424. 3:47:24 Unknown speaker else in the audience who wishes to speak
  4425. 3:47:26 Unknown speaker on this item? Um, go ahead. You haven't
  4426. 3:47:30 Unknown speaker spoken yet, correct?
  4427. 3:47:31 Unknown speaker Correct.
  4428. 3:47:32 Unknown speaker Yes. And then, yeah, so if you haven't
  4429. 3:47:34 Unknown speaker spoken, yes, come come forward.
  4430. 3:47:37 Unknown speaker Hello, my name is Hugh Tanner. live on
  4431. 3:47:40 Unknown speaker Willis Heights for over 40 years and
  4432. 3:47:43 Unknown speaker there's a couple of things I'd like to
  4433. 3:47:44 Unknown speaker talk about. For one, we are not going to
  4434. 3:47:48 Unknown speaker be annexed into the city. Willis Heights
  4435. 3:47:50 Unknown speaker will not be annexed into the city.
  4436. 3:47:51 Unknown speaker Therefore, we will still be under
  4437. 3:47:53 Unknown speaker Boulder County Sheriff, not City of
  4438. 3:47:56 Unknown speaker Longmont. As far as the crime rate, we
  4439. 3:47:59 Unknown speaker didn't have much crime until Copper
  4440. 3:48:01 Unknown speaker Heights was built. There was a shooting
  4441. 3:48:04 Unknown speaker there today from what I heard. Okay,
  4442. 3:48:07 Unknown speaker that is there. We see police going in
  4443. 3:48:09 Unknown speaker and out of there all the time. I would
  4444. 3:48:11 Unknown speaker challenge you, any of you, to go check
  4445. 3:48:14 Unknown speaker out the traffic at 8:00, 9:00 in the
  4446. 3:48:17 Unknown speaker morning at Hillrest or Park Ridge. You
  4447. 3:48:21 Unknown speaker got people coming south on on uh 287.
  4448. 3:48:25 Unknown speaker They're slowing down to 30, 40 miles an
  4449. 3:48:27 Unknown speaker hour. You got other people that are
  4450. 3:48:29 Unknown speaker going to be doing 80 going through that
  4451. 3:48:31 Unknown speaker same stoplight to get to 66 to turn
  4452. 3:48:34 Unknown speaker right or left to beat the traffic. I
  4453. 3:48:37 Unknown speaker would like you to look at Rosland Drive.
  4454. 3:48:39 Unknown speaker It's not a road. It's a driveway. It's
  4455. 3:48:42 Unknown speaker not more. It's not bigger than this. So,
  4456. 3:48:45 Unknown speaker there are some concerns. Also, the roads
  4457. 3:48:48 Unknown speaker are terrible. Take take a look at the
  4458. 3:48:50 Unknown speaker roads. They're terrible. Absolutely
  4459. 3:48:52 Unknown speaker terrible. Boulder County hasn't done
  4460. 3:48:53 Unknown speaker anything. It looks like alligator skin.
  4461. 3:48:56 Unknown speaker All of them. Even our little one lane,
  4462. 3:48:59 Unknown speaker our our short dead end road is falling
  4463. 3:49:03 Unknown speaker apart. Who's going to take care of that
  4464. 3:49:05 Unknown speaker with extra traffic coming out of Rose?
  4465. 3:49:09 Unknown speaker Thank you very much.
  4466. 3:49:11 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, go ahead. Come on down.
  4467. 3:49:20 Unknown speaker So, hello. Thanks for the opportunity to
  4468. 3:49:22 Unknown speaker speak. Um, thanks for all you guys do
  4469. 3:49:24 Unknown speaker for us or for the city. not doing a lot
  4470. 3:49:26 Unknown speaker for us because we're in the county. But
  4471. 3:49:29 Unknown speaker um I'll just like to say I live on U
  4472. 3:49:32 Unknown speaker Park or Waterberry and Park Ridge on the
  4473. 3:49:34 Unknown speaker corner. So I'm right along the speedway
  4474. 3:49:36 Unknown speaker there. So I get to see all the traffic
  4475. 3:49:38 Unknown speaker that goes through and I won't speak
  4476. 3:49:40 Unknown speaker anymore to traffic. I think it's been
  4477. 3:49:41 Unknown speaker beat to death. But um I will state so
  4478. 3:49:44 Unknown speaker I'm a native of Colorado so I've seen a
  4479. 3:49:47 Unknown speaker lot of growth here. I mean, I grew up in
  4480. 3:49:49 Unknown speaker me and I've been in Longmont my whole
  4481. 3:49:51 Unknown speaker life back and forth and so the growth is
  4482. 3:49:54 Unknown speaker huge. I mean, you can drive along and
  4483. 3:49:57 Unknown speaker you see all the new houses everywhere.
  4484. 3:49:59 Unknown speaker So, I mean, 66 has never grown, but the
  4485. 3:50:03 Unknown speaker city and everywhere around grown. So,
  4486. 3:50:05 Unknown speaker it's something that needs to be
  4487. 3:50:07 Unknown speaker addressed. Another thing they talk
  4488. 3:50:08 Unknown speaker about, the greenway that's going to be
  4489. 3:50:10 Unknown speaker at the north end of this development is
  4490. 3:50:13 Unknown speaker what, a quarter mile, half mile. I mean,
  4491. 3:50:16 Unknown speaker that ain't much. You're talking trails,
  4492. 3:50:18 Unknown speaker that ain't nothing. Um, and for
  4493. 3:50:20 Unknown speaker Longmont, the north end part, you know,
  4494. 3:50:23 Unknown speaker there's no
  4495. 3:50:25 Unknown speaker good transportation for bicycles in the
  4496. 3:50:28 Unknown speaker north end of town. They've done great
  4497. 3:50:30 Unknown speaker along the St. Frame and that greenway
  4498. 3:50:33 Unknown speaker down there is great. You can go all the
  4499. 3:50:34 Unknown speaker way from one side of town to the other,
  4500. 3:50:37 Unknown speaker but up north, you have to fight traffic
  4501. 3:50:39 Unknown speaker to get anywhere. And that's really not
  4502. 3:50:41 Unknown speaker safe for bikers and traffickers. And
  4503. 3:50:43 Unknown speaker that's just something I want to say. Um,
  4504. 3:50:46 Unknown speaker I think um I'm not against growth, but
  4505. 3:50:49 Unknown speaker I'm really against the high density. I
  4506. 3:50:51 Unknown speaker think we have enough um apartments. Um,
  4507. 3:50:56 Unknown speaker Longmont's putting up lots of
  4508. 3:50:57 Unknown speaker apartments. I think we're good there.
  4509. 3:51:00 Unknown speaker Um, and I don't agree with people moving
  4510. 3:51:03 Unknown speaker to an apartment to be closer to their
  4511. 3:51:05 Unknown speaker job. They're moving to Bertha to get
  4512. 3:51:07 Unknown speaker lowerric homes so they have a nice home.
  4513. 3:51:09 Unknown speaker They're looking for smaller homes that
  4514. 3:51:12 Unknown speaker they can live in. They're not looking
  4515. 3:51:13 Unknown speaker for apartments that to raise families
  4516. 3:51:15 Unknown speaker in. So that's that's my two cents. Thank
  4517. 3:51:18 Unknown speaker you.
  4518. 3:51:19 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you,
  4519. 3:51:20 Unknown speaker sir. I apologize if I missed it. Could
  4520. 3:51:22 Unknown speaker you state your name for the record?
  4521. 3:51:24 Unknown speaker Oh, yes.
  4522. 3:51:24 Unknown speaker Greg Crosser Os.
  4523. 3:51:26 Unknown speaker Thank you, sir.
  4524. 3:51:27 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you. Um, okay. So,
  4525. 3:51:31 Unknown speaker seeing no one else wanting to speak, I
  4526. 3:51:34 Unknown speaker will now close um public the public
  4527. 3:51:36 Unknown speaker hearing and um do we have a motion from
  4528. 3:51:41 Unknown speaker council?
  4529. 3:51:44 Unknown speaker Council member
  4530. 3:51:46 Unknown speaker um Marcine,
  4531. 3:51:47 Unknown speaker thank you. Mayor actually clarifying
  4532. 3:51:48 Unknown speaker question. Are you hoping to do 75 first
  4533. 3:51:51 Unknown speaker and then 76?
  4534. 3:51:52 Unknown speaker Yes, we're going to vote on them
  4535. 3:51:54 Unknown speaker separately.
  4536. 3:51:54 Unknown speaker Okay. Then I'll hold until we get to the
  4537. 3:51:56 Unknown speaker actual annexation concept plan on 76.
  4538. 3:51:58 Unknown speaker Um, Council Member Popkin.
  4539. 3:52:04 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you, Mayor. [clears throat]
  4540. 3:52:06 Unknown speaker Couple quick questions for staff. I
  4541. 3:52:09 Unknown speaker think Kristen, we'll start with you just
  4542. 3:52:10 Unknown speaker based on some of the public comments.
  4543. 3:52:12 Unknown speaker Um, and then if I don't see any mics,
  4544. 3:52:15 Unknown speaker I'll make a motion. Um, Kristen, we
  4545. 3:52:18 Unknown speaker heard a number of things that I just
  4546. 3:52:19 Unknown speaker figured would be useful to clarify. Some
  4547. 3:52:21 Unknown speaker of which I might know the answer to and
  4548. 3:52:23 Unknown speaker some of which I don't, and I would
  4549. 3:52:24 Unknown speaker appreciate. Um, where did that go? There
  4550. 3:52:28 Unknown speaker we go. Um,
  4551. 3:52:31 Unknown speaker I heard a comment on the process with
  4552. 3:52:33 Unknown speaker regard to planning and zoning and and
  4553. 3:52:34 Unknown speaker I'm 99% sure I recall this correctly um
  4554. 3:52:37 Unknown speaker because I missed one and then had to
  4555. 3:52:39 Unknown speaker watch the recording and then attended
  4556. 3:52:40 Unknown speaker two. But if I if I recall correctly,
  4557. 3:52:42 Unknown speaker there were two meetings actually at
  4558. 3:52:43 Unknown speaker planning and zoning on this because
  4559. 3:52:45 Unknown speaker there was a continuation.
  4560. 3:52:47 Unknown speaker That is correct. Originally, this
  4561. 3:52:49 Unknown speaker meeting was heard in May and then it was
  4562. 3:52:51 Unknown speaker continued. The annexation component was
  4563. 3:52:53 Unknown speaker continued until their June meeting.
  4564. 3:52:55 Unknown speaker Thank you. And and I do want to just
  4565. 3:52:57 Unknown speaker share for my council colleagues, there
  4566. 3:52:58 Unknown speaker were concerns from planning and zoning
  4567. 3:53:00 Unknown speaker commission members about the length of
  4568. 3:53:01 Unknown speaker the packet for this one. Um and and the
  4569. 3:53:03 Unknown speaker MPNC did actually only address um two a
  4570. 3:53:07 Unknown speaker couple sub items of this in the first
  4571. 3:53:09 Unknown speaker meeting and then continued um other
  4572. 3:53:11 Unknown speaker items to the second one. So I just
  4573. 3:53:12 Unknown speaker wanted to let let you all know that um
  4574. 3:53:13 Unknown speaker where where that was coming from. Um and
  4575. 3:53:16 Unknown speaker then one other question for either you
  4576. 3:53:17 Unknown speaker or for fire. Um we also had another
  4577. 3:53:19 Unknown speaker question about fire access being a
  4578. 3:53:21 Unknown speaker function of the density level. And I
  4579. 3:53:23 Unknown speaker actually wanted to make sure I
  4580. 3:53:24 Unknown speaker understood this correctly. Um, can you
  4581. 3:53:27 Unknown speaker speak to that?
  4582. 3:53:27 Unknown speaker I think that's a very fair question and
  4583. 3:53:29 Unknown speaker I will ask um Jason O'Donnell with our
  4584. 3:53:31 Unknown speaker public safety department to respond to
  4585. 3:53:33 Unknown speaker that question for you.
  4586. 3:53:33 Unknown speaker Thank you very much, Kristen. Welcome,
  4587. 3:53:35 Unknown speaker Jason.
  4588. 3:53:43 Unknown speaker Good evening, council. Uh, Chief Fire
  4589. 3:53:46 Unknown speaker Marshall Jason O'Donnell.
  4590. 3:53:49 Unknown speaker Thanks. Um could you speak to so that on
  4591. 3:53:52 Unknown speaker the fire access issue in terms of two
  4592. 3:53:54 Unknown speaker access points for the development and
  4593. 3:53:55 Unknown speaker the spacing
  4594. 3:53:57 Unknown speaker what what we had uh what had been
  4595. 3:53:59 Unknown speaker discussed earlier and at previous
  4596. 3:54:01 Unknown speaker meetings was the uh two access points to
  4597. 3:54:04 Unknown speaker the development not being able to both
  4598. 3:54:06 Unknown speaker be coming from 287. Um and and can you
  4599. 3:54:09 Unknown speaker tell me is that a function of the
  4600. 3:54:10 Unknown speaker density proposed or is that a function
  4601. 3:54:12 Unknown speaker of our code regardless of what density
  4602. 3:54:13 Unknown speaker was proposed for the development?
  4603. 3:54:15 Unknown speaker So so they are over the density. So the
  4604. 3:54:17 Unknown speaker density requirements you can have uh 20
  4605. 3:54:20 Unknown speaker 25 units is our cut off to have one
  4606. 3:54:22 Unknown speaker access
  4607. 3:54:23 Unknown speaker 25 units
  4608. 3:54:24 Unknown speaker correct. So we're over that if you go if
  4609. 3:54:27 Unknown speaker you sprinkle you can go to 50 units it
  4610. 3:54:31 Unknown speaker once you go above 50 units you're back
  4611. 3:54:33 Unknown speaker to two access.
  4612. 3:54:34 Unknown speaker So okay so basically the moment this
  4613. 3:54:37 Unknown speaker becomes a nonural development. So the
  4614. 3:54:39 Unknown speaker the major the major uh conflict with the
  4615. 3:54:42 Unknown speaker access is the actual proximity of the
  4616. 3:54:45 Unknown speaker two accesses off of 287. So they're too
  4617. 3:54:48 Unknown speaker close.
  4618. 3:54:49 Unknown speaker Say that one more time. The major
  4619. 3:54:51 Unknown speaker So this goes back to the conversation
  4620. 3:54:53 Unknown speaker that we have about the half the
  4621. 3:54:55 Unknown speaker diagonal. So it doesn't meet the half
  4622. 3:54:57 Unknown speaker the diagonal distance. So the two axis
  4623. 3:55:00 Unknown speaker off of 287 are too close together. So
  4624. 3:55:04 Unknown speaker that means that they don't in a sense
  4625. 3:55:06 Unknown speaker one doesn't count because it's too
  4626. 3:55:08 Unknown speaker close. So you have to have the
  4627. 3:55:10 Unknown speaker additional
  4628. 3:55:11 Unknown speaker and that's because it's above 50 units
  4629. 3:55:15 Unknown speaker or or 25 because we haven't talked about
  4630. 3:55:17 Unknown speaker sprinkling.
  4631. 3:55:18 Unknown speaker Uh so okay so 25 so and and this is a
  4632. 3:55:21 Unknown speaker almost 25 acre development. So that's
  4633. 3:55:22 Unknown speaker like one unit per acre which is
  4634. 3:55:25 Unknown speaker so we're well over
  4635. 3:55:26 Unknown speaker basically a rural development if okay I
  4636. 3:55:28 Unknown speaker [snorts] just wanted to understand kind
  4637. 3:55:29 Unknown speaker of what scale we're thinking about and
  4638. 3:55:31 Unknown speaker kind of what those
  4639. 3:55:31 Unknown speaker thresh unit and density wise we're well
  4640. 3:55:33 Unknown speaker over that requirement of of our code
  4641. 3:55:36 Unknown speaker adoption. Um, we're now into the
  4642. 3:55:38 Unknown speaker conversation of unfortunately those two
  4643. 3:55:41 Unknown speaker accesses don't meet that half the
  4644. 3:55:43 Unknown speaker diagonal for remoteness and that's why
  4645. 3:55:46 Unknown speaker it triggers that third access or that
  4646. 3:55:48 Unknown speaker we're requesting the Rosland to be
  4647. 3:55:50 Unknown speaker independent and public accessible.
  4648. 3:55:53 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you very much.
  4649. 3:55:54 Unknown speaker You're welcome.
  4650. 3:55:54 Unknown speaker Yep. Kristen, one more question for you
  4651. 3:55:56 Unknown speaker just on the density while we're on that
  4652. 3:55:57 Unknown speaker topic. So in in our code we have
  4653. 3:56:00 Unknown speaker basically rural rural uh sorry
  4654. 3:56:02 Unknown speaker residential single family um which would
  4655. 3:56:04 Unknown speaker be which is effectively our lowest
  4656. 3:56:06 Unknown speaker density level other than a rural um
  4657. 3:56:09 Unknown speaker space and then there's this which is
  4658. 3:56:11 Unknown speaker proposed residential mixed neighborhood
  4659. 3:56:13 Unknown speaker correct
  4660. 3:56:14 Unknown speaker RMN
  4661. 3:56:15 Unknown speaker then after that what
  4662. 3:56:18 Unknown speaker well at residential single family it's 1
  4663. 3:56:20 Unknown speaker to8 units per acre [clears throat] at
  4664. 3:56:22 Unknown speaker RMN residential mixed neighborhood is 6
  4665. 3:56:24 Unknown speaker to 18
  4666. 3:56:25 Unknown speaker then you get up into your MU you your
  4667. 3:56:28 Unknown speaker mixed use zones which is a minimum of 18
  4668. 3:56:30 Unknown speaker and there is no maximum stated.
  4669. 3:56:33 Unknown speaker Yeah. Okay. And and this is not those
  4670. 3:56:35 Unknown speaker that is correct. This is not this would
  4671. 3:56:37 Unknown speaker be residential mixed neighborhood at 6
  4672. 3:56:39 Unknown speaker to 18 dwelling units per acre.
  4673. 3:56:42 Unknown speaker Thank you. One question for the
  4674. 3:56:43 Unknown speaker applicant.
  4675. 3:56:45 Unknown speaker Which one of us do you want?
  4676. 3:56:46 Unknown speaker Whoever whoever you want to throw into
  4677. 3:56:48 Unknown speaker the fire here. Um
  4678. 3:56:51 Unknown speaker I know you're not required to specify
  4679. 3:56:53 Unknown speaker other than that you're going to comply
  4680. 3:56:54 Unknown speaker with the 6 to8 in the RMN. Do you have a
  4681. 3:56:56 Unknown speaker sense based on initial modeling where
  4682. 3:56:58 Unknown speaker you think you're coming in at about for
  4683. 3:57:00 Unknown speaker the between that six to 18 in the RMN
  4684. 3:57:02 Unknown speaker from a density standpoint?
  4685. 3:57:04 Unknown speaker I think um so we've cut the property
  4686. 3:57:06 Unknown speaker into kind of two segments. On the lower
  4687. 3:57:09 Unknown speaker density we anticipate having a range of
  4688. 3:57:13 Unknown speaker 6 to 10 with kind of an average of eight
  4689. 3:57:16 Unknown speaker or nine in that area of development. Um,
  4690. 3:57:20 Unknown speaker and then in the higher density, um,
  4691. 3:57:24 Unknown speaker probably more like 12 to 16, potentially
  4692. 3:57:27 Unknown speaker going to the 18, but I think that that
  4693. 3:57:29 Unknown speaker gets pretty dense for the type of units
  4694. 3:57:31 Unknown speaker that we'd like to put there.
  4695. 3:57:33 Unknown speaker Gotcha. Thank you.
  4696. 3:57:41 Unknown speaker Okay. Well, you're done. So,
  4697. 3:57:43 Unknown speaker go [laughter] ahead.
  4698. 3:57:45 Unknown speaker Great. Before I make the motion on this,
  4699. 3:57:46 Unknown speaker Eugene, just a quick clarifying
  4700. 3:57:48 Unknown speaker question. If if we're adding um if we
  4701. 3:57:50 Unknown speaker wanted to propose conditions or discuss
  4702. 3:57:52 Unknown speaker any conditions that are already that
  4703. 3:57:54 Unknown speaker were discussed two weeks ago, should we
  4704. 3:57:57 Unknown speaker be discussing that now for item D or for
  4705. 3:57:59 Unknown speaker item E?
  4706. 3:58:05 Unknown speaker Looks like the conditions are in E.
  4707. 3:58:07 Unknown speaker That's what I thought. Thank you. Um
  4708. 3:58:09 Unknown speaker with that, I'll I'll make a motion to
  4709. 3:58:11 Unknown speaker approve uh item uh 0202675.
  4710. 3:58:16 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have a second?
  4711. 3:58:19 Unknown speaker Second.
  4712. 3:58:20 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion was made to pass
  4713. 3:58:23 Unknown speaker and adopt ordinance 2026-75.
  4714. 3:58:25 Unknown speaker Motion was made by council member
  4715. 3:58:27 Unknown speaker Popkins, seconded by council member
  4716. 3:58:28 Unknown speaker Colopper. Um, seeing no one in the
  4717. 3:58:31 Unknown speaker queue, let's go ahead and vote.
  4718. 3:58:39 Unknown speaker Okay. And that that went away. Um, that
  4719. 3:58:42 Unknown speaker that carried.
  4720. 3:58:46 Unknown speaker Okay. I think it I think I saw five to
  4721. 3:58:48 Unknown speaker one. Is that correct?
  4722. 3:58:50 Unknown speaker Correct.
  4723. 3:58:50 Unknown speaker Okay. With council um council member
  4724. 3:58:52 Unknown speaker Christ in opposition and council member
  4725. 3:58:54 Unknown speaker Prito absent. Um okay.
  4726. 3:58:58 Unknown speaker So we are now on to [clears throat]
  4727. 3:59:00 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-76.
  4728. 3:59:03 Unknown speaker Um council member Marcine.
  4729. 3:59:06 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. Uh speaking of
  4730. 3:59:08 Unknown speaker conditions, I do have a motion I want to
  4731. 3:59:11 Unknown speaker make on this assuming we're doing we've
  4732. 3:59:12 Unknown speaker done the public hearing all that stuff.
  4733. 3:59:14 Unknown speaker So, um I and I sent this along to the
  4734. 3:59:17 Unknown speaker clerk. So, I move to strike condition
  4735. 3:59:19 Unknown speaker two uh section two condition two in its
  4736. 3:59:23 Unknown speaker entirety and replace it with the
  4737. 3:59:25 Unknown speaker following which is all dwelling units
  4738. 3:59:28 Unknown speaker approved uh excuse me, all dwelling
  4739. 3:59:30 Unknown speaker units developed within the lower density
  4740. 3:59:32 Unknown speaker residential area identified on the
  4741. 3:59:35 Unknown speaker approved concept plan shall be developed
  4742. 3:59:37 Unknown speaker on individually platted lots or as
  4743. 3:59:39 Unknown speaker condominium units established for
  4744. 3:59:41 Unknown speaker separate individual ownership.
  4745. 3:59:45 Unknown speaker I'm happy to explain if there's a
  4746. 3:59:47 Unknown speaker second.
  4747. 3:59:47 Unknown speaker Um, do we have a second?
  4748. 3:59:49 Unknown speaker Okay, we have a second and a third. So,
  4749. 3:59:51 Unknown speaker was wow. Okay.
  4750. 3:59:53 Unknown speaker So, um, the motion was made to strike
  4751. 3:59:56 Unknown speaker the language in um, section two, item
  4752. 4:00:00 Unknown speaker two,
  4753. 4:00:00 Unknown speaker condition two
  4754. 4:00:01 Unknown speaker and condition two, and um, replace it
  4755. 4:00:05 Unknown speaker with a lower density residential
  4756. 4:00:08 Unknown speaker um, language. [laughter] and it was
  4757. 4:00:11 Unknown speaker seconded by um Council Member Koffer.
  4758. 4:00:17 Unknown speaker Go ahead and
  4759. 4:00:17 Unknown speaker Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. Because of time
  4760. 4:00:19 Unknown speaker and needing to potentially get something
  4761. 4:00:21 Unknown speaker in, I'll make this fairly quick. Um
  4762. 4:00:23 Unknown speaker basically what what this does is in
  4763. 4:00:24 Unknown speaker conversations um both with the applicant
  4764. 4:00:28 Unknown speaker and in considering wanting to make this
  4765. 4:00:29 Unknown speaker as workable as possible while still
  4766. 4:00:31 Unknown speaker achieving I think the for sale housing
  4767. 4:00:32 Unknown speaker goal, we heard a lot in the public
  4768. 4:00:34 Unknown speaker hearing about apartments being a
  4769. 4:00:35 Unknown speaker concern. One of the things I really
  4770. 4:00:37 Unknown speaker wanted to ensure if we as a condition of
  4771. 4:00:39 Unknown speaker annexation is that ownership and
  4772. 4:00:40 Unknown speaker individual platted ownership is a
  4773. 4:00:43 Unknown speaker priority. And so what this does is it
  4774. 4:00:45 Unknown speaker replaces a condition that we added last
  4775. 4:00:48 Unknown speaker reading on this ordinance that had kind
  4776. 4:00:50 Unknown speaker of frankly a fairly arbitrary 50% and
  4777. 4:00:53 Unknown speaker 75% ownership metric on the project and
  4778. 4:00:56 Unknown speaker establish that the entire and and this
  4779. 4:01:00 Unknown speaker change would establish rather than that
  4780. 4:01:02 Unknown speaker that the entire lower density portion of
  4781. 4:01:05 Unknown speaker the development be individually platted
  4782. 4:01:08 Unknown speaker ownership product. Um, so what that
  4783. 4:01:10 Unknown speaker would do is is essentially preserve some
  4784. 4:01:12 Unknown speaker flexibility for the frontage along 287.
  4785. 4:01:15 Unknown speaker Um, but really try to guarantee
  4786. 4:01:17 Unknown speaker meaningful ownership rather than the the
  4787. 4:01:20 Unknown speaker kind of apartments that folks are
  4788. 4:01:22 Unknown speaker concerned about. So that's the the
  4789. 4:01:23 Unknown speaker condition um that we've laid out. So
  4790. 4:01:27 Unknown speaker yes.
  4791. 4:01:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, do we have any comments from
  4792. 4:01:30 Unknown speaker council? Council member Popkin.
  4793. 4:01:33 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you, Mayor. Uh, thank you,
  4794. 4:01:35 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen. I uh was a little
  4795. 4:01:38 Unknown speaker concerned with this one last time in
  4796. 4:01:39 Unknown speaker terms of the the numbers plucked out of
  4797. 4:01:43 Unknown speaker thin air and I I think this is a
  4798. 4:01:44 Unknown speaker meaningful improvement. I appreciate it
  4799. 4:01:45 Unknown speaker and I'll be supporting it. Thanks.
  4800. 4:01:47 Unknown speaker Okay. Um Okay. So, seeing no one else in
  4801. 4:01:51 Unknown speaker the queue, let's go ahead and vote on
  4802. 4:01:52 Unknown speaker this this item.
  4803. 4:02:03 Unknown speaker Okay, that carries unanimously. Uh,
  4804. 4:02:05 Unknown speaker Council Member Koffer,
  4805. 4:02:08 Unknown speaker I had one motion, but I'm gonna make
  4806. 4:02:09 Unknown speaker two. I motion to extend the meeting past
  4807. 4:02:11 Unknown speaker 11.
  4808. 4:02:12 Unknown speaker Um, I I will support it if it goes to
  4809. 4:02:14 Unknown speaker 11:30.
  4810. 4:02:16 Unknown speaker Time set.
  4811. 4:02:17 Unknown speaker Time set to 11:30.
  4812. 4:02:18 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4813. 4:02:19 Unknown speaker Okay. I'm going to make some changes
  4814. 4:02:20 Unknown speaker here. Um, okay. So, you still second it.
  4815. 4:02:25 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we have a motion to extend the
  4816. 4:02:27 Unknown speaker meeting to 11:30.
  4817. 4:02:29 Unknown speaker Um, all those um, seeing no one in the
  4818. 4:02:32 Unknown speaker queue, all those in favor that motion
  4819. 4:02:34 Unknown speaker was made. I'm sorry, by Council Member
  4820. 4:02:35 Unknown speaker Coloffer, seconded by Council Member
  4821. 4:02:37 Unknown speaker Popkin. Let's go ahead and vote before
  4822. 4:02:39 Unknown speaker 11.
  4823. 4:02:46 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  4824. 4:02:46 Unknown speaker No. Um, let's do a verbal vote. All
  4825. 4:02:49 Unknown speaker those in favor say I.
  4826. 4:02:51 Unknown speaker Okay. All those opposed.
  4827. 4:02:53 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we have um five that carries
  4828. 4:02:57 Unknown speaker five to one with um Council Member
  4829. 4:02:59 Unknown speaker Christ in opposition and council member
  4830. 4:03:01 Unknown speaker Prito absent. Okay. Um so now going on
  4831. 4:03:06 Unknown speaker to
  4832. 4:03:08 Unknown speaker Mayor
  4833. 4:03:09 Unknown speaker back to um yes go ahead.
  4834. 4:03:10 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. Um so I want to uh move
  4835. 4:03:14 Unknown speaker to amend condition 4 in ordinance
  4836. 4:03:16 Unknown speaker 2026-76
  4837. 4:03:19 Unknown speaker under section two by adding and volume
  4838. 4:03:22 Unknown speaker after to reduce pass through vehicle
  4839. 4:03:24 Unknown speaker speeds and volume into the established
  4840. 4:03:26 Unknown speaker neighborhood.
  4841. 4:03:30 Unknown speaker Do I have a second? Okay. So the motion
  4842. 4:03:32 Unknown speaker was made to change language from to
  4843. 4:03:35 Unknown speaker volume
  4844. 4:03:36 Unknown speaker to add volume
  4845. 4:03:36 Unknown speaker to add and volume.
  4846. 4:03:38 Unknown speaker Okay. And that was in section four,
  4847. 4:03:40 Unknown speaker correct?
  4848. 4:03:40 Unknown speaker That's right.
  4849. 4:03:41 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4850. 4:03:41 Unknown speaker It's condition four.
  4851. 4:03:44 Unknown speaker Condition four, section two. Okay. And
  4852. 4:03:46 Unknown speaker then um and that was seconded by council
  4853. 4:03:48 Unknown speaker member Christ. Um I did want to comment
  4854. 4:03:52 Unknown speaker and I wanted to say it the first time
  4855. 4:03:54 Unknown speaker but we were running out of time. Um, I'm
  4856. 4:03:56 Unknown speaker not a fan of the 11th hour amendments on
  4857. 4:04:00 Unknown speaker second reading. There's there are
  4858. 4:04:02 Unknown speaker impacts not just to our city attorney's
  4859. 4:04:04 Unknown speaker office, but there's also fiscal impacts
  4860. 4:04:07 Unknown speaker to the city overall and this is becoming
  4861. 4:04:10 Unknown speaker um habitual and it makes me, you know,
  4862. 4:04:13 Unknown speaker as we look at policy, this is not the
  4863. 4:04:15 Unknown speaker best direction to go at policy. the time
  4864. 4:04:18 Unknown speaker to look at this. Actually, what we
  4865. 4:04:20 Unknown speaker should be doing as a council is looking
  4866. 4:04:22 Unknown speaker at our
  4867. 4:04:24 Unknown speaker um our ordinance, look at our annexation
  4868. 4:04:27 Unknown speaker ordinance. What is it that we expect so
  4869. 4:04:30 Unknown speaker we have clarity right from the get-go,
  4870. 4:04:32 Unknown speaker not at the at the end and seriously the
  4871. 4:04:34 Unknown speaker 11th hour, it's 11:00 now. Um
  4872. 4:04:38 Unknown speaker that that we are making these changes on
  4873. 4:04:41 Unknown speaker second reading. You know, I I understand
  4874. 4:04:44 Unknown speaker the process is can be frustrating and
  4875. 4:04:47 Unknown speaker challenging, but the time if we want to
  4876. 4:04:49 Unknown speaker start making policy changes, we need to
  4877. 4:04:52 Unknown speaker do that in looking at our process, our
  4878. 4:04:56 Unknown speaker um annexation process right from the
  4879. 4:04:58 Unknown speaker beginning. make those changes and then
  4880. 4:05:01 Unknown speaker that way community and that way staff or
  4881. 4:05:05 Unknown speaker I'm sorry developers, applicants come in
  4882. 4:05:07 Unknown speaker and they have a clear understanding of
  4883. 4:05:09 Unknown speaker what's expected, not us changing things
  4884. 4:05:12 Unknown speaker around um as we're working through the
  4885. 4:05:14 Unknown speaker process. So I just I needed to get that
  4886. 4:05:16 Unknown speaker out. So and that's why I went ahead and
  4887. 4:05:19 Unknown speaker approved the other amendment. I think it
  4888. 4:05:21 Unknown speaker did add add clarity, you know, upon
  4889. 4:05:24 Unknown speaker reflecting on that. um you know do
  4890. 4:05:28 Unknown speaker Eugene did you want to weigh in as far
  4891. 4:05:30 Unknown speaker as I guess cost implications the
  4892. 4:05:32 Unknown speaker turnaround time
  4893. 4:05:34 Unknown speaker um as we look at making these changes
  4894. 4:05:38 Unknown speaker uh mayor and council in order to meet
  4895. 4:05:40 Unknown speaker the publication deadlines for the times
  4896. 4:05:41 Unknown speaker call
  4897. 4:05:42 Unknown speaker uh I believe we have to submit it by
  4898. 4:05:44 Unknown speaker Wednesday 10:00 a.m.
  4899. 4:05:46 Unknown speaker Okay. Uh, and then if ordinances are
  4900. 4:05:49 Unknown speaker amended or when ordinances are amended,
  4901. 4:05:51 Unknown speaker we need to publish in full. And so that
  4902. 4:05:54 Unknown speaker [snorts] increases costs for the clerk's
  4903. 4:05:57 Unknown speaker office or the city in general. I'm not
  4904. 4:06:00 Unknown speaker sure what those costs are, but some of
  4905. 4:06:02 Unknown speaker these ordinances are pretty lengthy. And
  4906. 4:06:04 Unknown speaker so the publication costs are adding up
  4907. 4:06:09 Unknown speaker over the course of a year to be pretty
  4908. 4:06:10 Unknown speaker significantly over budget.
  4909. 4:06:12 Unknown speaker And then so as we look at that, I mean,
  4910. 4:06:14 Unknown speaker we just had a ballot measure and the
  4911. 4:06:17 Unknown speaker city of Longmont, as I look through
  4912. 4:06:19 Unknown speaker here, clearly was not in favor of, and I
  4913. 4:06:22 Unknown speaker heard a lot of support for public
  4914. 4:06:24 Unknown speaker safety. They were not in favor of any
  4915. 4:06:26 Unknown speaker kind of tax increase. And the push to us
  4916. 4:06:28 Unknown speaker is we need to look at our budget. We
  4917. 4:06:30 Unknown speaker need to look at how we're spending and
  4918. 4:06:32 Unknown speaker where we're putting our efforts and
  4919. 4:06:33 Unknown speaker thoughts and time. So, I just want to
  4920. 4:06:36 Unknown speaker throw that reminder out to council as we
  4921. 4:06:37 Unknown speaker start moving forward on this. Um there
  4922. 4:06:41 Unknown speaker was already a change.
  4923. 4:06:43 Unknown speaker It's we're already there. So I'll
  4924. 4:06:45 Unknown speaker probably end up supporting this anyways.
  4925. 4:06:46 Unknown speaker Yeah. No, may Mary mayor, I appreciate
  4926. 4:06:48 Unknown speaker that.
  4927. 4:06:48 Unknown speaker And you were just the target because I
  4928. 4:06:50 Unknown speaker was going to target this guy over here
  4929. 4:06:52 Unknown speaker right next to you, but the time was not
  4930. 4:06:55 Unknown speaker good.
  4931. 4:06:56 Unknown speaker I I hear you and I appreciate the
  4932. 4:06:57 Unknown speaker reminder because we do need to be wise
  4933. 4:06:59 Unknown speaker with our with our money. Um but the
  4934. 4:07:02 Unknown speaker unfortunate part for this particular
  4935. 4:07:03 Unknown speaker situation is a lot of the residents that
  4936. 4:07:05 Unknown speaker are being affected don't live in the
  4937. 4:07:07 Unknown speaker city. So this is really the only
  4938. 4:07:09 Unknown speaker opportunity that they have to come and
  4939. 4:07:11 Unknown speaker speak to us
  4940. 4:07:12 Unknown speaker and this is you know there were some
  4941. 4:07:14 Unknown speaker some great suggestions um when when we
  4942. 4:07:17 Unknown speaker were listening to the public invited to
  4943. 4:07:18 Unknown speaker be heard portion of it that I thought it
  4944. 4:07:20 Unknown speaker was important for us to you know address
  4945. 4:07:23 Unknown speaker uh some of the concerns with the the
  4946. 4:07:25 Unknown speaker tools that we had available and yes
  4947. 4:07:27 Unknown speaker going forward I will be more mindful of
  4948. 4:07:29 Unknown speaker second
  4949. 4:07:30 Unknown speaker and that I have thought about since
  4950. 4:07:32 Unknown speaker taking this seat and
  4951. 4:07:34 Unknown speaker I I don't like that we have a public
  4952. 4:07:36 Unknown speaker hearing at the second hearing I at the
  4953. 4:07:39 Unknown speaker second reading. I would really like to
  4954. 4:07:41 Unknown speaker see it in the front and we're in the
  4955. 4:07:43 Unknown speaker works on that. So
  4956. 4:07:44 Unknown speaker that's awesome. Thank you.
  4957. 4:07:45 Unknown speaker Yeah. So I'm I'm working on that. Okay.
  4958. 4:07:48 Unknown speaker Um Council Member Popkin.
  4959. 4:07:53 Unknown speaker Uh
  4960. 4:07:56 Unknown speaker thank you. Actually, I was going to
  4961. 4:07:57 Unknown speaker propose something else, but we have an
  4962. 4:07:58 Unknown speaker active motion.
  4963. 4:07:58 Unknown speaker We do have an active motion. Let's go
  4964. 4:08:00 Unknown speaker ahead and vote on this one. [snorts]
  4965. 4:08:09 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  4966. 4:08:11 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin.
  4967. 4:08:12 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh, fully respect
  4968. 4:08:14 Unknown speaker everything you just said. At this point
  4969. 4:08:15 Unknown speaker in our process, the public hearings
  4970. 4:08:17 Unknown speaker tonight, and this is in response to a
  4971. 4:08:18 Unknown speaker few public comments. Um, I will offer
  4972. 4:08:20 Unknown speaker one more condition here. Um, clerk
  4973. 4:08:23 Unknown speaker should have this. Uh, this is, uh, in
  4974. 4:08:25 Unknown speaker response to the the cut through traffic,
  4975. 4:08:28 Unknown speaker not the pass through traffic, which was
  4976. 4:08:30 Unknown speaker already put in by council member Koffer.
  4977. 4:08:32 Unknown speaker And you know something that we think
  4978. 4:08:34 Unknown speaker about um and should think about with
  4979. 4:08:35 Unknown speaker development is the impact of surrounding
  4980. 4:08:36 Unknown speaker properties. Review criteria forced
  4981. 4:08:38 Unknown speaker specifically states the application will
  4982. 4:08:40 Unknown speaker not adversely affect surrounding
  4983. 4:08:41 Unknown speaker properties, the natural environment,
  4984. 4:08:42 Unknown speaker existing or planned city transportation
  4985. 4:08:44 Unknown speaker or utility services or facilities or the
  4986. 4:08:47 Unknown speaker adverse impacts of that use will be
  4987. 4:08:49 Unknown speaker mitigated to the maximum extent
  4988. 4:08:50 Unknown speaker feasible. That's not the condition.
  4989. 4:08:52 Unknown speaker Yeah. Um and so in in service of um
  4990. 4:08:55 Unknown speaker trying to mitigate impacts um to
  4991. 4:08:58 Unknown speaker surrounding properties there and try to
  4992. 4:09:00 Unknown speaker respond to some of the most consistent
  4993. 4:09:02 Unknown speaker concerns I heard on traffic. Um you
  4994. 4:09:04 Unknown speaker know, we can only do so much because
  4995. 4:09:06 Unknown speaker this is um Boulder County roads and not
  4996. 4:09:09 Unknown speaker city. But um I would like to motion to
  4997. 4:09:11 Unknown speaker add a condition that the applicant be
  4998. 4:09:13 Unknown speaker strongly encouraged to work with Boulder
  4999. 4:09:15 Unknown speaker County. Sorry. Uh nope. Update language.
  5000. 4:09:18 Unknown speaker The con the applicant be strongly
  5001. 4:09:20 Unknown speaker encouraged to identify, fund, and make
  5002. 4:09:21 Unknown speaker off-site transportation improvements to
  5003. 4:09:23 Unknown speaker the maximum extent feasible to
  5004. 4:09:25 Unknown speaker discourage cutthrough traffic along both
  5005. 4:09:27 Unknown speaker Hillrest Drive and Park Ridge Drive in
  5006. 4:09:30 Unknown speaker collaboration with and pending county
  5007. 4:09:32 Unknown speaker review and approval.
  5008. 4:09:36 Unknown speaker Do we have a second?
  5009. 4:09:37 Unknown speaker Second.
  5010. 4:09:38 Unknown speaker I hate you. [laughter]
  5011. 4:09:40 Unknown speaker Sorry.
  5012. 4:09:42 Unknown speaker After 11 o'clock, man, I get tired.
  5013. 4:09:45 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5014. 4:09:46 Unknown speaker It was and that was intentional.
  5015. 4:09:47 Unknown speaker I think we're all getting a little tired
  5016. 4:09:48 Unknown speaker and so are everyone who who are here and
  5017. 4:09:51 Unknown speaker have come to multiple meetings. I I
  5018. 4:09:52 Unknown speaker think this is the only one I intend to
  5019. 4:09:54 Unknown speaker approve propose here. And again, it can
  5020. 4:09:57 Unknown speaker only be so strong because we can only do
  5021. 4:09:59 Unknown speaker so much for roads outside of our
  5022. 4:10:01 Unknown speaker immediate jurisdiction. But um my hope
  5023. 4:10:03 Unknown speaker is that this does not add a significant
  5024. 4:10:05 Unknown speaker burden to the applicant but adds a
  5025. 4:10:06 Unknown speaker little bit of an additional nudge to
  5026. 4:10:07 Unknown speaker both the applicant and the county to
  5027. 4:10:09 Unknown speaker address that um to the maximum extent
  5028. 4:10:12 Unknown speaker feasible.
  5029. 4:10:12 Unknown speaker I have a question. Would this and I let
  5030. 4:10:15 Unknown speaker me read this. So the motion was made to
  5031. 4:10:17 Unknown speaker add a condition to the applicant to be
  5032. 4:10:18 Unknown speaker strongly encouraged to identify, pay for
  5033. 4:10:21 Unknown speaker and make off-site transportation
  5034. 4:10:23 Unknown speaker improvements to the maximum extent
  5035. 4:10:24 Unknown speaker feasible to discourage cut through
  5036. 4:10:27 Unknown speaker traffic along both Hillside Hillrest
  5037. 4:10:30 Unknown speaker Drive and Park Ridge Drive in
  5038. 4:10:32 Unknown speaker collaboration with and pending county
  5039. 4:10:34 Unknown speaker review and approval. The motion was made
  5040. 4:10:37 Unknown speaker by council member Popkins, seconded by
  5041. 4:10:39 Unknown speaker council member Koffer. I was really just
  5042. 4:10:41 Unknown speaker trying to process what that meant. And
  5043. 4:10:43 Unknown speaker then, you know, we heard from a speaker
  5044. 4:10:45 Unknown speaker earlier as well who said a lot of, you
  5045. 4:10:48 Unknown speaker know, some of this language that we're
  5046. 4:10:49 Unknown speaker putting in there, is it really going to
  5047. 4:10:50 Unknown speaker make a difference? If we put this in
  5048. 4:10:53 Unknown speaker there, is it going to make a difference?
  5049. 4:10:55 Unknown speaker Is it going to get us the intended
  5050. 4:10:57 Unknown speaker outcome that we want to see? And I don't
  5051. 4:11:00 Unknown speaker know if there's anybody, the applicant
  5052. 4:11:02 Unknown speaker or planning, could can you answer that
  5053. 4:11:05 Unknown speaker for me?
  5054. 4:11:07 Unknown speaker Um,
  5055. 4:11:09 Unknown speaker or is this something that
  5056. 4:11:11 Unknown speaker I feel like this language is very
  5057. 4:11:13 Unknown speaker open-ended. The addition of maximum
  5058. 4:11:16 Unknown speaker feasible. You know, we know the city,
  5059. 4:11:19 Unknown speaker the county is going to come at us for a
  5060. 4:11:21 Unknown speaker huge money grab. We know that this
  5061. 4:11:23 Unknown speaker county has neglected this neighborhood.
  5062. 4:11:25 Unknown speaker They've chosen chosen not to upkeep
  5063. 4:11:28 Unknown speaker these roads. and they look at a
  5064. 4:11:31 Unknown speaker development as, hey, here's somebody we
  5065. 4:11:33 Unknown speaker can extort to get them to take care of
  5066. 4:11:36 Unknown speaker our responsibilities.
  5067. 4:11:38 Unknown speaker And I think it's the county's failings
  5068. 4:11:40 Unknown speaker that are causing this, not the project.
  5069. 4:11:43 Unknown speaker And to saddle the burden of that
  5070. 4:11:46 Unknown speaker squarely with the project is unfair. I
  5071. 4:11:50 Unknown speaker think we'd be willing to work with the
  5072. 4:11:51 Unknown speaker county, but to have this idea of to the
  5073. 4:11:55 Unknown speaker maximum extent possible. They could say,
  5074. 4:11:57 Unknown speaker "I need a speed bump every 10 ft. I need
  5075. 4:11:59 Unknown speaker you to repave every single road. I need
  5076. 4:12:01 Unknown speaker you to reroute traffic. I have no idea
  5077. 4:12:04 Unknown speaker what they could put on us, but it feels
  5078. 4:12:07 Unknown speaker like it could get very ownorous and very
  5079. 4:12:09 Unknown speaker burdensome. I think things like, you
  5080. 4:12:12 Unknown speaker know, posting signs that say no cut
  5081. 4:12:14 Unknown speaker through traffic um are a start, but I
  5082. 4:12:18 Unknown speaker think this the the county needs to step
  5083. 4:12:21 Unknown speaker up here and acknowledge their
  5084. 4:12:23 Unknown speaker responsibilities. and we're certainly
  5085. 4:12:25 Unknown speaker willing to have those conversations and
  5086. 4:12:26 Unknown speaker work with them, but I don't want to go
  5087. 4:12:28 Unknown speaker into that negotiation
  5088. 4:12:31 Unknown speaker having already given up.
  5089. 4:12:34 Unknown speaker I mean, I the frustration you're dealing
  5090. 4:12:37 Unknown speaker with the county, I see it in all our
  5091. 4:12:39 Unknown speaker enclaves and I hear it from from
  5092. 4:12:41 Unknown speaker residents. Well, they're not technically
  5093. 4:12:43 Unknown speaker residents, but with they're within the
  5094. 4:12:45 Unknown speaker enclaves within the city boundary. Um
  5095. 4:12:50 Unknown speaker that yeah, that the county is neglecting
  5096. 4:12:53 Unknown speaker the roads. They're neglecting the
  5097. 4:12:55 Unknown speaker overgrowth. You know, I'm seeing it in
  5098. 4:12:57 Unknown speaker several neighborhoods. Um, okay.
  5099. 4:13:01 Unknown speaker So, it's not just, you know, it's not
  5100. 4:13:03 Unknown speaker just neglecting one neighborhood. I'm
  5101. 4:13:04 Unknown speaker seeing it consistently throughout the
  5102. 4:13:07 Unknown speaker city. Um, Council Member Marcen,
  5103. 4:13:11 Unknown speaker thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to speak
  5104. 4:13:12 Unknown speaker to the amendment uh the condition in
  5105. 4:13:14 Unknown speaker front of us. I, you know, to your point,
  5106. 4:13:17 Unknown speaker Mayor, I think the condition that that I
  5107. 4:13:19 Unknown speaker offered was a change to a condition that
  5108. 4:13:20 Unknown speaker was already materially worked through.
  5109. 4:13:23 Unknown speaker um that was designed for clarity. I I
  5110. 4:13:26 Unknown speaker share some of your concerns, mayor,
  5111. 4:13:27 Unknown speaker regarding the necessity of this language
  5112. 4:13:29 Unknown speaker and regarding the I mean, we've already
  5113. 4:13:33 Unknown speaker in we've already put traffic and calming
  5114. 4:13:35 Unknown speaker conditions on as a condition of
  5115. 4:13:37 Unknown speaker annexation. I mean, I I without set
  5116. 4:13:42 Unknown speaker measures in place, it's I I have a hard
  5117. 4:13:45 Unknown speaker time feeling like that this will make a
  5118. 4:13:48 Unknown speaker significant impact on the overall
  5119. 4:13:50 Unknown speaker development generally. I mean,
  5120. 4:13:52 Unknown speaker So, I I I'll be a no here, partly out of
  5121. 4:13:55 Unknown speaker the the the process concerns we've
  5122. 4:13:57 Unknown speaker discussed as well.
  5123. 4:13:59 Unknown speaker Thank you. See no one else in the queue.
  5124. 4:14:01 Unknown speaker Let's go ahead and vote.
  5125. 4:14:08 Unknown speaker Okay. And that fails um two to four with
  5126. 4:14:11 Unknown speaker u myself, council member Chris. Oh, and
  5127. 4:14:13 Unknown speaker that went away. Um Mayor Prom and
  5128. 4:14:16 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcy um in opposition
  5129. 4:14:19 Unknown speaker and council member Christ absent. Okay.
  5130. 4:14:22 Unknown speaker Prito.
  5131. 4:14:22 Unknown speaker Oh, Prietto, I'm sorry. You're here.
  5132. 4:14:24 Unknown speaker You're here. Um, Council Member Prietto,
  5133. 4:14:27 Unknown speaker you've been so quiet. Um, okay. Uh,
  5134. 4:14:29 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin,
  5135. 4:14:31 Unknown speaker this is your second.
  5136. 4:14:32 Unknown speaker This is my second and the only It's the
  5137. 4:14:35 Unknown speaker second one. I'll I'll try. Um, I'm going
  5138. 4:14:36 Unknown speaker to try one more. Well, oh, no, that
  5139. 4:14:39 Unknown speaker failed, I guess.
  5140. 4:14:40 Unknown speaker Uh, no. I think it's substantively
  5141. 4:14:42 Unknown speaker different given what we heard. Um, I'm
  5142. 4:14:44 Unknown speaker going to propose a version of that um
  5143. 4:14:46 Unknown speaker that is substantively different based on
  5144. 4:14:47 Unknown speaker the developers feedback. Um condition u
  5145. 4:14:50 Unknown speaker make a motion to condition that the
  5146. 4:14:51 Unknown speaker applicant be strongly encouraged to work
  5147. 4:14:53 Unknown speaker with Boulder County to identify fund and
  5148. 4:14:54 Unknown speaker make off-site transportation
  5149. 4:14:55 Unknown speaker improvements to discourage cut through
  5150. 4:14:57 Unknown speaker traffic along both both Hillrest Drive
  5151. 4:15:00 Unknown speaker and Park Ridge Drive pending county
  5152. 4:15:02 Unknown speaker review and approval. The only difference
  5153. 4:15:04 Unknown speaker is that that is struck maximum extent
  5154. 4:15:05 Unknown speaker feasible.
  5155. 4:15:09 Unknown speaker Is that essentially the same
  5156. 4:15:12 Unknown speaker that we just voted down?
  5157. 4:15:16 Unknown speaker Seriously,
  5158. 4:15:17 Unknown speaker mayor, the standard is you shouldn't
  5159. 4:15:19 Unknown speaker make a motion that's substantially the
  5160. 4:15:21 Unknown speaker same.
  5161. 4:15:23 Unknown speaker And it's substantially the same.
  5162. 4:15:25 Unknown speaker It's up to council to determine what's
  5163. 4:15:27 Unknown speaker substantial.
  5164. 4:15:27 Unknown speaker I felt it was sub substantially the
  5165. 4:15:29 Unknown speaker same.
  5166. 4:15:33 Unknown speaker Okay. It's substantially the same.
  5167. 4:15:35 Unknown speaker So, okay. Um,
  5168. 4:15:39 Unknown speaker do we have a motion to pass or a motion
  5169. 4:15:44 Unknown speaker to pass and adopt ordinance 2026-76
  5170. 4:15:49 Unknown speaker with um the approved
  5171. 4:15:52 Unknown speaker um amendments conditions?
  5172. 4:15:57 Unknown speaker So moved.
  5173. 4:15:58 Unknown speaker Okay. So the motion was made by council
  5174. 4:16:00 Unknown speaker member Chris. Do I have a second?
  5175. 4:16:02 Unknown speaker And it is seconded by council member
  5176. 4:16:03 Unknown speaker Popkin. Okay.
  5177. 4:16:06 Unknown speaker call cover. Oh my gosh. See, I I'm I am
  5178. 4:16:08 Unknown speaker I start getting tired here. I don't even
  5179. 4:16:11 Unknown speaker know who I said. So, okay. Um, see no
  5180. 4:16:15 Unknown speaker one in the queue. Let's go ahead and
  5181. 4:16:16 Unknown speaker vote.
  5182. 4:16:31 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. And
  5183. 4:16:33 Unknown speaker I think, you know, a lot of it also
  5184. 4:16:35 Unknown speaker comes to us to communicate to the county
  5185. 4:16:37 Unknown speaker commissioners in Boulder County that I
  5186. 4:16:40 Unknown speaker mean, there was a reason why I supported
  5187. 4:16:41 Unknown speaker five five commissioners.
  5188. 4:16:44 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, it's like we got we got to see
  5189. 4:16:48 Unknown speaker some change there. Okay. So, that is
  5190. 4:16:52 Unknown speaker done. We are now on to
  5191. 4:16:55 Unknown speaker um general business. and I'm going to
  5192. 4:16:57 Unknown speaker make a change augment the schedule where
  5193. 4:17:00 Unknown speaker we're going to actually hear um
  5194. 4:17:02 Unknown speaker compensation review for city manager and
  5195. 4:17:03 Unknown speaker city attorney first. That's a short one.
  5196. 4:17:07 Unknown speaker So, it's should be first. Should be
  5197. 4:17:10 Unknown speaker short.
  5198. 4:17:12 Unknown speaker Um so, I'm actually going to have um
  5199. 4:17:14 Unknown speaker Joanne
  5200. 4:17:18 Unknown speaker uh mayor council. Yes. um based on the
  5201. 4:17:21 Unknown speaker to 11:30 um I think if you take that one
  5202. 4:17:25 Unknown speaker there's probably not the time to get to
  5203. 4:17:27 Unknown speaker the other two.
  5204. 4:17:28 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5205. 4:17:28 Unknown speaker So we'll need to make adjustments.
  5206. 4:17:30 Unknown speaker Can we um
  5207. 4:17:33 Unknown speaker so looking at zero reading so and Ben
  5208. 4:17:38 Unknown speaker um so I've talked to Cammy I've been
  5209. 4:17:40 Unknown speaker teamsing them. Both of neither one of
  5210. 4:17:42 Unknown speaker those are timesensitive.
  5211. 4:17:44 Unknown speaker Okay. Um and so it just may cause things
  5212. 4:17:47 Unknown speaker to slip into January that we're seeing
  5213. 4:17:49 Unknown speaker on the agenda.
  5214. 4:17:50 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5215. 4:17:51 Unknown speaker But we can't get that in 15 minutes.
  5216. 4:17:53 Unknown speaker Okay. Very good. Thank you,
  5217. 4:17:55 Unknown speaker Mayor. The other thing is we had talked
  5218. 4:17:56 Unknown speaker about the effective date of the
  5219. 4:17:57 Unknown speaker compensation. You could set the
  5220. 4:17:59 Unknown speaker effective date for tonight if you made
  5221. 4:18:01 Unknown speaker the motion next week. That would
  5222. 4:18:03 Unknown speaker mitigate any issues if you didn't get to
  5223. 4:18:05 Unknown speaker compensation tonight.
  5224. 4:18:06 Unknown speaker Okay. Um well, we're Yeah, we'll we're
  5225. 4:18:09 Unknown speaker going to do compensation first. So,
  5226. 4:18:15 Unknown speaker okay. Um,
  5227. 4:18:17 Unknown speaker yeah, Council Member Marcen.
  5228. 4:18:19 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Just a question for
  5229. 4:18:21 Unknown speaker staff and this may be for Harold. Um,
  5230. 4:18:23 Unknown speaker mentioning things getting pushed back.
  5231. 4:18:25 Unknown speaker Would that include I know December 1st,
  5232. 4:18:27 Unknown speaker we have two kind of planning items. The
  5233. 4:18:30 Unknown speaker uh the RSF zoning district measure being
  5234. 4:18:33 Unknown speaker one. Is that going to going to hold or
  5235. 4:18:35 Unknown speaker would that would that potentially move?
  5236. 4:18:36 Unknown speaker No, I think I'm I'm going to be working
  5237. 4:18:38 Unknown speaker with other things.
  5238. 4:18:39 Unknown speaker Okay, cool. Thank you.
  5239. 4:18:40 Unknown speaker Okay. [clears throat] Thank you. Okay.
  5240. 4:18:42 Unknown speaker Go ahead.
  5241. 4:18:45 Unknown speaker Good evening, mayor and members of
  5242. 4:18:46 Unknown speaker council. I do not have a presentation on
  5243. 4:18:48 Unknown speaker the compensation um for the city u
  5244. 4:18:50 Unknown speaker manager and the city attorney. Um
  5245. 4:18:52 Unknown speaker council did meet and review performance
  5246. 4:18:54 Unknown speaker and so this is just being brought
  5247. 4:18:56 Unknown speaker forward to council to um make any
  5248. 4:18:59 Unknown speaker motions that would be following those
  5249. 4:19:01 Unknown speaker reviews.
  5250. 4:19:02 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um council member
  5251. 4:19:04 Unknown speaker Coloffer.
  5252. 4:19:06 Unknown speaker All right. I have two motions. I'm going
  5253. 4:19:07 Unknown speaker to start with one. Um, so I move uh for
  5254. 4:19:11 Unknown speaker Eugene, consistent with the city's uh
  5255. 4:19:14 Unknown speaker consistent with this year's compensation
  5256. 4:19:16 Unknown speaker methodology, I move to adjust the total
  5257. 4:19:18 Unknown speaker compensation of the city attorney to
  5258. 4:19:20 Unknown speaker $290,58.99
  5259. 4:19:25 Unknown speaker representing a 101 of 2027 market rates.
  5260. 4:19:30 Unknown speaker I also recommend an additional 1%
  5261. 4:19:32 Unknown speaker exceptional pay for $2,876.82
  5262. 4:19:36 Unknown speaker 82 for a total salary of $293,435.82.
  5263. 4:19:44 Unknown speaker Further, I move to award 15 additional
  5264. 4:19:46 Unknown speaker vacation days or pay uh pay in lu uh
  5265. 4:19:50 Unknown speaker therein. Uh the mayor is authorized to
  5266. 4:19:52 Unknown speaker execute the employment agreement
  5267. 4:19:54 Unknown speaker consistent with these motions and
  5268. 4:19:55 Unknown speaker effective immediately.
  5269. 4:19:56 Unknown speaker Second.
  5270. 4:19:57 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion was made by council
  5271. 4:20:00 Unknown speaker member Koffer to um adjust Oh, where'
  5272. 4:20:04 Unknown speaker the language go? Um so to adjust the
  5273. 4:20:07 Unknown speaker total compensation for city attorney to
  5274. 4:20:09 Unknown speaker um represent 101% of the 27 2027 market
  5275. 4:20:13 Unknown speaker rates um and an additional 1%
  5276. 4:20:16 Unknown speaker exceptional pay for um total salary of
  5277. 4:20:21 Unknown speaker 293
  5278. 4:20:22 Unknown speaker uh 435
  5279. 4:20:24 Unknown speaker um82
  5280. 4:20:26 Unknown speaker I think. Is that yep okay got it. And
  5281. 4:20:30 Unknown speaker then um also awarding the 15 additional
  5282. 4:20:33 Unknown speaker vacation days or pay and Lou and
  5283. 4:20:36 Unknown speaker authorize the mayor to um to execute the
  5284. 4:20:39 Unknown speaker employment agreement consistent with
  5285. 4:20:41 Unknown speaker these um the motions in effective
  5286. 4:20:42 Unknown speaker immediately. And the seconded was um
  5287. 4:20:45 Unknown speaker mayor prom.
  5288. 4:20:47 Unknown speaker Okay. So seeing no one in the queue,
  5289. 4:20:49 Unknown speaker let's go ahead and vote.
  5290. 4:20:53 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  5291. 4:20:54 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously with
  5292. 4:20:56 Unknown speaker council member Prito absent. Okay.
  5293. 4:20:58 Unknown speaker Council member Kuffer.
  5294. 4:21:00 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I also really
  5295. 4:21:02 Unknown speaker appreciate my teachers who taught me how
  5296. 4:21:03 Unknown speaker to read big numbers. So, thank you. Um,
  5297. 4:21:05 Unknown speaker so for Herold, um, consistent with this
  5298. 4:21:08 Unknown speaker year's compensation methodology, I move
  5299. 4:21:10 Unknown speaker to adjust the total compensation of the
  5300. 4:21:12 Unknown speaker city manager to 356,143.77
  5301. 4:21:17 Unknown speaker representing 101
  5302. 4:21:20 Unknown speaker 101 of 2027 market rates. I also
  5303. 4:21:23 Unknown speaker recommend an additional 1% exceptional
  5304. 4:21:25 Unknown speaker pay of $3,526.18
  5305. 4:21:29 Unknown speaker for a total salary of $359,6955.
  5306. 4:21:37 Unknown speaker I further I move to award 15 additional
  5307. 4:21:39 Unknown speaker vacation days or pay in le therein. The
  5308. 4:21:42 Unknown speaker mayor is authorized to execute the
  5309. 4:21:44 Unknown speaker employment agreement in consistent with
  5310. 4:21:46 Unknown speaker these motions and effective immediately.
  5311. 4:21:48 Unknown speaker Second.
  5312. 4:21:48 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion was made by council
  5313. 4:21:50 Unknown speaker member Kulkoffer to um adjust the total
  5314. 4:21:54 Unknown speaker compensation to the city manager to
  5315. 4:21:56 Unknown speaker represent 101% of the 2027 market rates.
  5316. 4:22:00 Unknown speaker Um also um in addition a 1% exceptional
  5317. 4:22:04 Unknown speaker pay uh for a total salary of $359,66955
  5318. 4:22:12 Unknown speaker and um also awarding 15 additional
  5319. 4:22:15 Unknown speaker vacation days or pay inlue and authorize
  5320. 4:22:18 Unknown speaker the mayor to execute the employment
  5321. 4:22:20 Unknown speaker agreement consistent with these motions
  5322. 4:22:21 Unknown speaker and effective immediately and the
  5323. 4:22:23 Unknown speaker seconded and it was seconded by council
  5324. 4:22:25 Unknown speaker member Marcine. Um council member Marcen
  5325. 4:22:28 Unknown speaker go ahead.
  5326. 4:22:28 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. I just wanted to speak
  5327. 4:22:29 Unknown speaker to this very quickly because is this the
  5328. 4:22:31 Unknown speaker first time I've gone through this
  5329. 4:22:32 Unknown speaker process and I know the public often sees
  5330. 4:22:34 Unknown speaker these numbers and kind of goes, "Oh my
  5331. 4:22:36 Unknown speaker goodness."
  5332. 4:22:36 Unknown speaker Um I would have done the same and have
  5333. 4:22:39 Unknown speaker done and have thought the same had I not
  5334. 4:22:41 Unknown speaker actually had the opportunity over the
  5335. 4:22:43 Unknown speaker last year to see the remarkable work
  5336. 4:22:45 Unknown speaker that our city manager does. Um 62
  5337. 4:22:47 Unknown speaker different business entities, is that
  5338. 4:22:49 Unknown speaker right? Is that the number roughly? That
  5339. 4:22:51 Unknown speaker that our city manager oversees across
  5340. 4:22:53 Unknown speaker multiple different departments. his
  5341. 4:22:55 Unknown speaker tenure, his his his work ethic, his
  5342. 4:22:57 Unknown speaker organizational skills are exceptional.
  5343. 4:22:59 Unknown speaker We are very very lucky to have him and
  5344. 4:23:02 Unknown speaker um I think this is a more than
  5345. 4:23:04 Unknown speaker reasonable um more than reasonable
  5346. 4:23:07 Unknown speaker compensation package and I just wanted
  5347. 4:23:08 Unknown speaker to say that as someone who um has has
  5348. 4:23:11 Unknown speaker some similar thoughts but when you see
  5349. 4:23:12 Unknown speaker the work he does dayto-day it is
  5350. 4:23:14 Unknown speaker remarkable. So thank you
  5351. 4:23:15 Unknown speaker and you know and I hope um this doesn't
  5352. 4:23:18 Unknown speaker get forgotten forgotten like oh my god
  5353. 4:23:21 Unknown speaker my words are hard right now. Uh I hope
  5354. 4:23:23 Unknown speaker this doesn't get forgotten that this um
  5355. 4:23:26 Unknown speaker our city we have next we have our own
  5356. 4:23:29 Unknown speaker utility. We have we own our own
  5357. 4:23:30 Unknown speaker electric. Um we have our own public
  5358. 4:23:34 Unknown speaker safety. You know there are multiple
  5359. 4:23:37 Unknown speaker jurisdictions that have a fire district.
  5360. 4:23:40 Unknown speaker So it's not it's not overseen by our
  5361. 4:23:43 Unknown speaker city manager and our local government.
  5362. 4:23:45 Unknown speaker So there are several departments that
  5363. 4:23:48 Unknown speaker are often outsourced. Trash is another
  5364. 4:23:50 Unknown speaker one. This is the first community where I
  5365. 4:23:52 Unknown speaker lived in where we actually have our own
  5366. 4:23:55 Unknown speaker trash. So those I think we c we cannot
  5367. 4:23:59 Unknown speaker forget the additional responsibilities
  5368. 4:24:02 Unknown speaker that are added um to our city manager
  5369. 4:24:05 Unknown speaker and our um admin team. So I just want to
  5370. 4:24:09 Unknown speaker make sure that that gets included as
  5371. 4:24:11 Unknown speaker well for public record. Um council
  5372. 4:24:13 Unknown speaker member Koffer.
  5373. 4:24:15 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. Also for public record,
  5374. 4:24:17 Unknown speaker I I do want to say that we are following
  5375. 4:24:19 Unknown speaker city procedure. This is this is what we
  5376. 4:24:21 Unknown speaker do for all of our employees. We look at
  5377. 4:24:24 Unknown speaker market study. We we look to see what,
  5378. 4:24:26 Unknown speaker you know, compensation looks like for
  5379. 4:24:28 Unknown speaker other cities of our size. Um this is,
  5380. 4:24:31 Unknown speaker you know, we we truly appreciate both
  5381. 4:24:33 Unknown speaker our city attorney and our city manager
  5382. 4:24:35 Unknown speaker for the exceptional work that they do.
  5383. 4:24:36 Unknown speaker Um so, but I do want the the public to
  5384. 4:24:39 Unknown speaker know that we are following a structure
  5385. 4:24:41 Unknown speaker that we do follow for the rest of our
  5386. 4:24:42 Unknown speaker organization as well.
  5387. 4:24:45 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, council member Papia,
  5388. 4:24:49 Unknown speaker uh, ditto what council member Koffer
  5389. 4:24:50 Unknown speaker said and ditto what you said, mayor, and
  5390. 4:24:52 Unknown speaker council member Marcing. Uh, the only
  5391. 4:24:54 Unknown speaker thing I'll add is we we look
  5392. 4:24:55 Unknown speaker specifically at comps for these roles as
  5393. 4:24:58 Unknown speaker well for senior executives in our
  5394. 4:24:59 Unknown speaker organization for city attorney and for
  5395. 4:25:01 Unknown speaker city manager here. And you can see those
  5396. 4:25:03 Unknown speaker publicly if you are watching this and
  5397. 4:25:04 Unknown speaker curious. You can actually go on to our
  5398. 4:25:06 Unknown speaker agenda portal and see the exact
  5399. 4:25:08 Unknown speaker comparables to um base salary of of city
  5400. 4:25:11 Unknown speaker managers in different cities in the
  5401. 4:25:13 Unknown speaker front range of Colorado at similar
  5402. 4:25:14 Unknown speaker population size. Um it gives us a sense
  5403. 4:25:17 Unknown speaker there. It's not just about seeing like
  5404. 4:25:18 Unknown speaker how close are we, but it's about
  5405. 4:25:19 Unknown speaker recruitment and retention
  5406. 4:25:21 Unknown speaker of talent and the ability for us to
  5407. 4:25:24 Unknown speaker operate and achieve the things that
  5408. 4:25:25 Unknown speaker we're aiming to do squarely falls and
  5409. 4:25:28 Unknown speaker and increasingly falls upon the talent
  5410. 4:25:31 Unknown speaker that we have and are able to retain.
  5411. 4:25:35 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, Council Member Chris. Oh, and
  5412. 4:25:37 Unknown speaker I'm going to flip that. Retention and
  5413. 4:25:39 Unknown speaker then recruitment because we got to keep
  5414. 4:25:41 Unknown speaker the good people we have.
  5415. 4:25:43 Unknown speaker Speaking as a union negotiator. So,
  5416. 4:25:46 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5417. 4:25:47 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. This will probably be
  5418. 4:25:49 Unknown speaker my council comments, too. Um, I just
  5419. 4:25:53 Unknown speaker want to thank both the city attorney and
  5420. 4:25:54 Unknown speaker the city manager for all you do for us
  5421. 4:25:56 Unknown speaker and for always having our back and the
  5422. 4:25:59 Unknown speaker backs of of everyone that works in this
  5423. 4:26:01 Unknown speaker organization. You're real advocates and
  5424. 4:26:03 Unknown speaker we appreciate you.
  5425. 4:26:06 Unknown speaker Thank you for that. Um, Mayor Protown.
  5426. 4:26:09 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, I would like to
  5427. 4:26:12 Unknown speaker say the same thing that everybody else
  5428. 4:26:14 Unknown speaker did, but this is the eighth time that
  5429. 4:26:15 Unknown speaker I've had an opportunity to to go through
  5430. 4:26:17 Unknown speaker this. And I and I see uh you know I was
  5431. 4:26:21 Unknown speaker on council the first time when we hired
  5432. 4:26:22 Unknown speaker Eugene and you are a real asset to the
  5433. 4:26:26 Unknown speaker city and uh and Harold I I've had
  5434. 4:26:31 Unknown speaker opportunity to work with two city
  5435. 4:26:33 Unknown speaker managers in Longmont and and I really
  5436. 4:26:35 Unknown speaker appreciate both of you and I really
  5437. 4:26:37 Unknown speaker appreciate your dedication to your staff
  5438. 4:26:39 Unknown speaker and to the city. Thank you.
  5439. 4:26:42 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um let's go ahead and
  5440. 4:26:45 Unknown speaker vote.
  5441. 4:26:51 Unknown speaker Okay, that carries unanimously.
  5442. 4:26:53 Unknown speaker So, um, we will be hearing the other two
  5443. 4:26:56 Unknown speaker general business items at a later date.
  5444. 4:26:59 Unknown speaker I'll work with Harold on that. And then
  5445. 4:27:00 Unknown speaker we are now at final call, public invited
  5446. 4:27:02 Unknown speaker to be heard. Anybody? Okay. And
  5447. 4:27:06 Unknown speaker they all they cleared out the room. I'm
  5448. 4:27:09 Unknown speaker good at that. Um, mayor and council
  5449. 4:27:12 Unknown speaker comments.
  5450. 4:27:13 Unknown speaker Um, seeing none, city manager remarks.
  5451. 4:27:18 Unknown speaker I actually actually do have some remarks
  5452. 4:27:20 Unknown speaker tonight, but I will keep them shorter
  5453. 4:27:22 Unknown speaker than I usually do because we have eight
  5454. 4:27:24 Unknown speaker minutes. But um, I do want to thank
  5455. 4:27:26 Unknown speaker council for their support and the
  5456. 4:27:27 Unknown speaker working relationship that we have with
  5457. 4:27:29 Unknown speaker all of you. Um, the things that we're
  5458. 4:27:31 Unknown speaker embarking on and the things that we've
  5459. 4:27:33 Unknown speaker accomplished um, can't be done
  5460. 4:27:36 Unknown speaker um, without us working as a team. And if
  5461. 4:27:39 Unknown speaker we look around at other cities, that is
  5462. 4:27:42 Unknown speaker um unfortunately becoming less common.
  5463. 4:27:44 Unknown speaker And so I just appreciate all of you and
  5464. 4:27:47 Unknown speaker your ability to talk through things. So
  5465. 4:27:49 Unknown speaker thank you.
  5466. 4:27:50 Unknown speaker Thanks. Um city attorney remarks,
  5467. 4:27:54 Unknown speaker mayor and council. Uh likewise.
  5468. 4:27:57 Unknown speaker Appreciate council's support of my
  5469. 4:28:00 Unknown speaker office. Um we are a small but mighty
  5470. 4:28:02 Unknown speaker office and I couldn't do it without my
  5471. 4:28:04 Unknown speaker staff. I really think we have one of the
  5472. 4:28:06 Unknown speaker best uh city attorney's offices in the
  5473. 4:28:10 Unknown speaker state and also this guy sitting to my
  5474. 4:28:12 Unknown speaker left. We're a great team. Worked with
  5475. 4:28:14 Unknown speaker Harold uh for 14 years. Uh and we do
  5476. 4:28:18 Unknown speaker great things together and I say it every
  5477. 4:28:21 Unknown speaker year and and it's true. It's a privilege
  5478. 4:28:25 Unknown speaker to try to improve the community in which
  5479. 4:28:27 Unknown speaker I live. And that's what makes it so
  5480. 4:28:29 Unknown speaker rewarding. Uh and not many people get to
  5481. 4:28:33 Unknown speaker do that. and I appreciate it every day.
  5482. 4:28:37 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um, can I have a
  5483. 4:28:40 Unknown speaker motion to adjurnn? We have a motion to
  5484. 4:28:41 Unknown speaker adjurnn.
  5485. 4:28:42 Unknown speaker Second.
  5486. 4:28:42 Unknown speaker Okay. Motion was made by Mayor Heran,
  5487. 4:28:44 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Christ. All
  5488. 4:28:46 Unknown speaker those in favor? I opposed. So, we are
  5489. 4:28:48 Unknown speaker adjourned.
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