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Transcript: City Council Regular Session - 20 October 2026

October 20, 2026

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  23. 0:05:10 Unknown speaker Okay, it is 7 o'clock. I'd like to call
  24. 0:05:13 Unknown speaker the um city council regular session
  25. 0:05:15 Unknown speaker October 2026 meeting to order.
  26. 0:05:20 Unknown speaker Okay, let's see. the city's um so the
  27. 0:05:24 Unknown speaker live stream of this meeting can be
  28. 0:05:26 Unknown speaker viewed at the city's YouTube channel and
  29. 0:05:29 Unknown speaker longpublicdia.org/watch
  30. 0:05:32 Unknown speaker or Comcast channels 8 or 880. Can we
  31. 0:05:35 Unknown speaker start with a roll call please?
  32. 0:05:37 Unknown speaker Mayor Douglaring
  33. 0:05:38 Unknown speaker present.
  34. 0:05:39 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom McCoy
  35. 0:05:40 Unknown speaker present.
  36. 0:05:41 Unknown speaker Council member Christ
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  38. 0:05:42 Unknown speaker Council member Marc
  39. 0:05:44 Unknown speaker here.
  40. 0:05:44 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin
  41. 0:05:45 Matthew Popkin here.
  42. 0:05:46 Unknown speaker Council member Prito is uh walking in
  43. 0:05:48 Unknown speaker the door.
  44. 0:05:49 Unknown speaker Okay. Uh, Council Member
  45. 0:05:50 Unknown speaker Calkoffer.
  46. 0:05:52 Unknown speaker Mayor, you have a quorum.
  47. 0:05:53 Unknown speaker Great. Let's stand for the pledge.
  48. 0:05:57 Unknown speaker I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
  49. 0:06:00 Unknown speaker United States of America and to the
  50. 0:06:03 Unknown speaker republic for which it stands, one nation
  51. 0:06:06 Unknown speaker under God, indivisible, with liberty and
  52. 0:06:10 Unknown speaker justice for all.
  53. 0:06:17 Unknown speaker In accordance with council's rules of
  54. 0:06:19 Unknown speaker procedure, the rules for providing
  55. 0:06:21 Unknown speaker public comment are as follows. Only
  56. 0:06:23 Unknown speaker Longmont residents and employees of the
  57. 0:06:26 Unknown speaker city of Longmont may speak during first
  58. 0:06:28 Unknown speaker call public invited to be heard. You
  59. 0:06:30 Unknown speaker must provide your name, address on this
  60. 0:06:32 Unknown speaker and address on the signup sheet before
  61. 0:06:34 Unknown speaker the meeting or I will not call your
  62. 0:06:36 Unknown speaker name. Each speaker is limited to three
  63. 0:06:38 Unknown speaker minutes. Anyone may speak on second
  64. 0:06:41 Unknown speaker reading or public hearing item and you
  65. 0:06:43 Unknown speaker are asked to add your name to the
  66. 0:06:45 Unknown speaker speaker list for the specific item
  67. 0:06:46 Unknown speaker before the meeting. Anyone may speak
  68. 0:06:49 Unknown speaker during final call public invited to be
  69. 0:06:51 Unknown speaker heard. Members of the audience shall
  70. 0:06:53 Unknown speaker refrain from disruptive, vulgar, or
  71. 0:06:55 Unknown speaker abusive language, applause, heckling, or
  72. 0:06:58 Unknown speaker other actions that interfere with the
  73. 0:07:00 Unknown speaker orderly function of council. So, we are
  74. 0:07:02 Unknown speaker now on to um item four, approval of the
  75. 0:07:05 Unknown speaker minutes. Do I have a motion to approve
  76. 0:07:07 Unknown speaker October 6, 2026 regular session meeting?
  77. 0:07:10 Unknown speaker So the motion has been made by Mayor
  78. 0:07:11 Unknown speaker Prom. Do I? And seconded by council
  79. 0:07:14 Unknown speaker member Koffer. Okay. I don't see anyone
  80. 0:07:17 Unknown speaker in the queue. Let's go ahead and vote.
  81. 0:07:20 Unknown speaker I can't bring my
  82. 0:07:23 Unknown speaker um do you want to just do you approve
  83. 0:07:25 Unknown speaker the minutes?
  84. 0:07:26 Unknown speaker I'm a
  85. 0:07:26 Unknown speaker So yes,
  86. 0:07:29 Unknown speaker I think I did went to Chrome.
  87. 0:07:33 Unknown speaker And then nothing. Oh. Oh, that's weird.
  88. 0:07:36 Unknown speaker Okay. So, and that carries unanimously.
  89. 0:07:39 Unknown speaker Um, now we are on to agenda revisions
  90. 0:07:43 Unknown speaker and submission of documents and motions
  91. 0:07:45 Unknown speaker to direct the city manager to add agenda
  92. 0:07:47 Unknown speaker items to future agendas. Do we have any
  93. 0:07:49 Unknown speaker agenda revisions, Don?
  94. 0:07:52 Unknown speaker We do not, mayor.
  95. 0:07:53 Unknown speaker Okay. And then motions from council for
  96. 0:07:56 Unknown speaker future agenda items. Council member
  97. 0:07:58 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  98. 0:08:01 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, I have two motions
  99. 0:08:03 Unknown speaker to make. um one substantive and one
  100. 0:08:05 Unknown speaker procedural. Um the the first one I'd
  101. 0:08:08 Unknown speaker like to make is a motion to direct the
  102. 0:08:09 Unknown speaker city manager to implement an interview
  103. 0:08:11 Unknown speaker process for the inaugural technology
  104. 0:08:13 Unknown speaker policy advisory board that is completed
  105. 0:08:16 Unknown speaker by Friday, December 4th and includes
  106. 0:08:19 Unknown speaker five stipulations. Um these will be put
  107. 0:08:22 Unknown speaker up um in terms of clear direction. Um I
  108. 0:08:24 Unknown speaker can read them out
  109. 0:08:26 Unknown speaker um we should have. Yes. Um do we have
  110. 0:08:29 Unknown speaker and you could see on your screen um the
  111. 0:08:31 Unknown speaker five items. Do we have a second for this
  112. 0:08:33 Unknown speaker motion?
  113. 0:08:34 Unknown speaker Second.
  114. 0:08:34 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made to
  115. 0:08:36 Unknown speaker direct uh staff to implement an
  116. 0:08:38 Unknown speaker interview process for the inaugural
  117. 0:08:39 Unknown speaker technology advisory board um policy
  118. 0:08:42 Unknown speaker advisory board that is completed by
  119. 0:08:44 Unknown speaker Friday, December 4th um 2026 and it was
  120. 0:08:48 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Coloffer. And
  121. 0:08:50 Unknown speaker go ahead and read the five items.
  122. 0:08:52 Unknown speaker Yes. So these are five stipulations to
  123. 0:08:54 Unknown speaker provide clarity to staff during the um
  124. 0:08:57 Unknown speaker for the inaugural process since we do
  125. 0:08:59 Unknown speaker not have a current standing board for
  126. 0:09:01 Unknown speaker this. Um so this motion would include
  127. 0:09:05 Unknown speaker the following. Part one, a staff
  128. 0:09:07 Unknown speaker organized survey to solicit draft
  129. 0:09:09 Unknown speaker interview questions from all of city
  130. 0:09:11 Unknown speaker council. Part two, an inter an
  131. 0:09:13 Unknown speaker application review committee consisting
  132. 0:09:16 Unknown speaker of two council members to shortlist up
  133. 0:09:18 Unknown speaker to 15 candidates for interviews and
  134. 0:09:20 Unknown speaker recommend questions to the interview
  135. 0:09:22 Unknown speaker committee. Part three, an interview
  136. 0:09:24 Unknown speaker committee consisting of staff and two
  137. 0:09:26 Unknown speaker council members, which will conduct up
  138. 0:09:28 Unknown speaker to 20 minute interviews per candidate.
  139. 0:09:31 Unknown speaker Part four, two interview block dates for
  140. 0:09:34 Unknown speaker candidates and the interview committee
  141. 0:09:35 Unknown speaker with all interviews recorded for city
  142. 0:09:37 Unknown speaker council viewing prior to voting on board
  143. 0:09:39 Unknown speaker appointments. and part five, two
  144. 0:09:42 Unknown speaker alternate council members to support
  145. 0:09:44 Unknown speaker interviews if one or more of the
  146. 0:09:46 Unknown speaker interview committee members are
  147. 0:09:47 Unknown speaker unavailable for scheduled interview
  148. 0:09:48 Unknown speaker dates.
  149. 0:09:49 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have any
  150. 0:09:52 Unknown speaker and maybe the one other piece of color
  151. 0:09:54 Unknown speaker I'll add to this is that my
  152. 0:09:55 Unknown speaker understanding and Don, correct me if I'm
  153. 0:09:56 Unknown speaker wrong, we have at least 32 candidates
  154. 0:09:58 Unknown speaker for this board currently who have
  155. 0:09:59 Unknown speaker applied, hence the multifased kind of
  156. 0:10:02 Unknown speaker down select process.
  157. 0:10:04 Unknown speaker We'll have to narrow it down to a short
  158. 0:10:05 Unknown speaker list.
  159. 0:10:06 Unknown speaker A shorter list. We have seven positions.
  160. 0:10:08 Unknown speaker So
  161. 0:10:08 Unknown speaker Uhhuh.
  162. 0:10:09 Unknown speaker to fill. Thank you.
  163. 0:10:10 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  164. 0:10:11 Unknown speaker Okay. Um do we have any um questions
  165. 0:10:14 Unknown speaker from council?
  166. 0:10:16 Unknown speaker So seeing none, let's go ahead and vote
  167. 0:10:18 Unknown speaker on this.
  168. 0:10:20 Unknown speaker Okay. Still not.
  169. 0:10:35 Unknown speaker Yeah, there you go. Okay. And then are
  170. 0:10:39 Unknown speaker you in go to the live meeting
  171. 0:10:41 Unknown speaker almost?
  172. 0:10:42 Unknown speaker Okay, we're getting text set up here
  173. 0:10:49 Unknown speaker and then I think you'll have to go into
  174. 0:10:51 Unknown speaker the regular session meeting.
  175. 0:10:54 Unknown speaker There you go. I got you.
  176. 0:10:56 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  177. 0:10:56 Unknown speaker Of course.
  178. 0:11:02 Unknown speaker Okay. And we're waiting on um the final
  179. 0:11:07 Unknown speaker vote.
  180. 0:11:10 Unknown speaker Oh, are you a yay or a nay or do you
  181. 0:11:12 Unknown speaker need to finish reading?
  182. 0:11:13 Unknown speaker I'm a yay. Okay.
  183. 0:11:14 Unknown speaker I'm just trying to make things work.
  184. 0:11:16 Unknown speaker Yes.
  185. 0:11:19 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  186. 0:11:21 Unknown speaker Um so, and that looks like that is it.
  187. 0:11:25 Unknown speaker Uh now on to city manager report.
  188. 0:11:28 Unknown speaker Oh, you have a Okay.
  189. 0:11:30 Unknown speaker Don's coming here.
  190. 0:11:33 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, thank you, mayor. Uh, my
  191. 0:11:35 Unknown speaker second motion was to allow myself to
  192. 0:11:36 Unknown speaker participate remotely on two upcoming
  193. 0:11:38 Unknown speaker meeting dates. Um, I believe these are
  194. 0:11:41 Unknown speaker both regular council sessions, but if
  195. 0:11:42 Unknown speaker one of them is not, we can remove that.
  196. 0:11:44 Unknown speaker Uh, it'll be Tuesday, December 8th and
  197. 0:11:46 Unknown speaker January 12th. I will be
  198. 0:11:50 Unknown speaker out of time.
  199. 0:11:50 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. I'll go ahead and second
  200. 0:11:52 Unknown speaker that. Um, so we have a motion for to
  201. 0:11:55 Unknown speaker allow Council Member Popkin to
  202. 0:11:56 Unknown speaker participate remotely on two upcoming
  203. 0:11:58 Unknown speaker meeting dates, January 8th, 2026 and
  204. 0:12:02 Unknown speaker January 12th. December, sorry, December
  205. 0:12:04 Unknown speaker 8th, 2026. January 12th, 2027.
  206. 0:12:07 Unknown speaker Um, do you have a question on this
  207. 0:12:10 Unknown speaker motion?
  208. 0:12:12 Unknown speaker Okay. So, um, seeing no one in the
  209. 0:12:15 Unknown speaker queue, let's go ahead and vote.
  210. 0:12:24 Unknown speaker And that carries unanimously.
  211. 0:12:27 Unknown speaker Okay. And then Council Member Christ,
  212. 0:12:32 Unknown speaker I too need to uh make a motion to
  213. 0:12:35 Unknown speaker participate remotely on November 17th.
  214. 0:12:38 Unknown speaker November 17th. And I'll go ahead and
  215. 0:12:41 Unknown speaker second that. So, we have a request or a
  216. 0:12:45 Unknown speaker motion to accept um Council Member
  217. 0:12:47 Unknown speaker Christ's virtual participation on
  218. 0:12:49 Unknown speaker November 17th. What um is that a regular
  219. 0:12:54 Unknown speaker session?
  220. 0:12:55 Unknown speaker Good question.
  221. 0:12:56 Unknown speaker Regular. Okay.
  222. 0:13:00 Unknown speaker Okay. And then um is this in response to
  223. 0:13:03 Unknown speaker Okay.
  224. 0:13:04 Unknown speaker No.
  225. 0:13:05 Unknown speaker Oh my. Okay. [laughter]
  226. 0:13:07 Unknown speaker Add on. We're going to NLC.
  227. 0:13:09 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  228. 0:13:10 Unknown speaker Oh, okay. That's NLC is that week.
  229. 0:13:13 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  230. 0:13:13 Unknown speaker Okay. So, I am waiting.
  231. 0:13:20 Unknown speaker Mine is still not
  232. 0:13:22 Unknown speaker mayor. I'm wondering if we have multiple
  233. 0:13:23 Unknown speaker members we want to
  234. 0:13:25 Unknown speaker um Yeah. Raise your are is anyone else
  235. 0:13:27 Unknown speaker going to be gone on the 17th for NLC and
  236. 0:13:30 Unknown speaker should Okay, so we have three out.
  237. 0:13:33 Unknown speaker This is just for virtual attendance. for
  238. 0:13:35 Unknown speaker virtual attendance
  239. 0:13:36 Unknown speaker to attend. So
  240. 0:13:38 Unknown speaker to attend NLC or virtual
  241. 0:13:40 Unknown speaker virtual.
  242. 0:13:41 Unknown speaker Okay. So we have then we will
  243. 0:13:42 Unknown speaker potentially have four council members
  244. 0:13:44 Unknown speaker out. I thought we usually take the week
  245. 0:13:46 Unknown speaker off for
  246. 0:13:47 Unknown speaker NLC.
  247. 0:13:48 Unknown speaker NLC. What did we do? Help remind me.
  248. 0:13:51 Unknown speaker It was a Thanksgiving holiday the
  249. 0:13:53 Unknown speaker following week.
  250. 0:13:54 Unknown speaker Okay. [clears throat and snorts] Okay.
  251. 0:13:56 Unknown speaker So
  252. 0:13:58 Unknown speaker Okay.
  253. 0:13:59 Unknown speaker And it's typically the March meeting
  254. 0:14:01 Unknown speaker that we take off for NL NLC.
  255. 0:14:05 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. So, um, so then can we add
  256. 0:14:10 Unknown speaker Council Member Christrist, Council
  257. 0:14:12 Unknown speaker Member Koffer, and Mayor Prom McCoy?
  258. 0:14:16 Unknown speaker Okay. And then you're going to NLC, but
  259. 0:14:19 Unknown speaker you won't be in attendance. Okay.
  260. 0:14:21 Unknown speaker When are we?
  261. 0:14:22 Unknown speaker Um, I don't know.
  262. 0:14:23 Unknown speaker Question.
  263. 0:14:26 Unknown speaker Okay. Sorry.
  264. 0:14:27 Unknown speaker That's a U issue. [laughter]
  265. 0:14:28 Unknown speaker I figured so much.
  266. 0:14:30 Unknown speaker Okay. So, let's go ahead and vote on
  267. 0:14:32 Unknown speaker this.
  268. 0:14:34 Unknown speaker Okay. Oh, now it came up. Just needed to
  269. 0:14:36 Unknown speaker reboot.
  270. 0:14:36 Unknown speaker Okay. I just want to make sure I have
  271. 0:14:38 Unknown speaker the names, the date, every We're set.
  272. 0:14:40 Unknown speaker I almost did. It's gonna be me and you,
  273. 0:14:42 Unknown speaker Mayor.
  274. 0:14:44 Unknown speaker Oh, yeah. You'll be there. Okay.
  275. 0:14:47 Unknown speaker Look at that. Every other seat. Okay.
  276. 0:14:49 Unknown speaker Very good. I'll just have to take my
  277. 0:14:51 Unknown speaker gabble and behave over there. [laughter]
  278. 0:14:54 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just bring you
  279. 0:14:57 Unknown speaker closer. Um Okay, that carries
  280. 0:14:59 Unknown speaker unanimously. We are now on to unless um
  281. 0:15:03 Unknown speaker council member Coloffer, did you have a
  282. 0:15:04 Unknown speaker motion to make or are you good? That was
  283. 0:15:06 Unknown speaker that. Okay. Um city manager report. Does
  284. 0:15:10 Unknown speaker the city manager have a report?
  285. 0:15:11 Unknown speaker I actually do tonight. You do.
  286. 0:15:12 Unknown speaker Um wanted to let you all know you um
  287. 0:15:15 Unknown speaker you've taken some um actions as we were
  288. 0:15:18 Unknown speaker looking at the um parking garage. We
  289. 0:15:20 Unknown speaker obviously had the groundbreaking. Um we
  290. 0:15:22 Unknown speaker went and we had a successful sale of the
  291. 0:15:25 Unknown speaker debt for the parking garage. Um, we had
  292. 0:15:28 Unknown speaker a double A+ rating from the rating
  293. 0:15:31 Unknown speaker agencies on that. Um, we stayed within
  294. 0:15:34 Unknown speaker the parameters that council well within
  295. 0:15:37 Unknown speaker the parameters that council established.
  296. 0:15:40 Unknown speaker One of the things that we talked about
  297. 0:15:41 Unknown speaker on the debt issuance was that it was
  298. 0:15:42 Unknown speaker originally going to be um, both public
  299. 0:15:44 Unknown speaker and private debt that was taxable. we
  300. 0:15:47 Unknown speaker were able to work the debt structure to
  301. 0:15:49 Unknown speaker move public projects in. Um, and so
  302. 0:15:53 Unknown speaker [clears throat] the entire debt is non-t
  303. 0:15:54 Unknown speaker taxable which saved us a significant
  304. 0:15:57 Unknown speaker amount of money. Uh, when we look at the
  305. 0:16:00 Unknown speaker the debt service payments over time, the
  306. 0:16:02 Unknown speaker interest rate that we received was 5.1%.
  307. 0:16:05 Unknown speaker Again, within the parameters we talked
  308. 0:16:07 Unknown speaker about, it was not helped by the fact
  309. 0:16:10 Unknown speaker that the day we were literally scheduled
  310. 0:16:12 Unknown speaker to go for sale was the day that all the
  311. 0:16:14 Unknown speaker bad economic news came out. Um, so,
  312. 0:16:18 Unknown speaker um, I think we'd have done a little bit
  313. 0:16:20 Unknown speaker better, but it's just subject to the
  314. 0:16:23 Unknown speaker timing and the information cycle, but
  315. 0:16:25 Unknown speaker overall um, we were pleased with the
  316. 0:16:27 Unknown speaker results.
  317. 0:16:29 Unknown speaker That's great.
  318. 0:16:29 Unknown speaker Teresa, did I miss anything?
  319. 0:16:31 Unknown speaker Nope. Got it.
  320. 0:16:31 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Great. Thank you. Um, on to
  321. 0:16:34 Unknown speaker special reports and presentations. There
  322. 0:16:37 Unknown speaker are none. Uh, first call public invited
  323. 0:16:40 Unknown speaker to be heard. Uh, first person on the
  324. 0:16:42 Unknown speaker list, David Hodes. Um, you have three
  325. 0:16:45 Unknown speaker minutes.
  326. 0:16:55 Unknown speaker Good evening. Um, I'd like to start out
  327. 0:16:57 Unknown speaker by saying that excited to hear that
  328. 0:17:01 Unknown speaker there are 32 applicants to the tech
  329. 0:17:04 Unknown speaker board. I think that illustrates how
  330. 0:17:06 Unknown speaker important the board is. um obviously um
  331. 0:17:10 Unknown speaker to my concerns in terms of the
  332. 0:17:13 Unknown speaker technology around surveillance but also
  333. 0:17:15 Unknown speaker just technology in general and um I
  334. 0:17:18 Unknown speaker think I just want to applaud you as the
  335. 0:17:21 Unknown speaker city council for instituting that um and
  336. 0:17:24 Unknown speaker being a a forerunner
  337. 0:17:27 Unknown speaker um with regard to city governance
  338. 0:17:30 Unknown speaker um in terms of um I'm also happy that we
  339. 0:17:35 Unknown speaker have gone from
  340. 0:17:37 Unknown speaker uh temporarily postponing the ALPRs.
  341. 0:17:41 Unknown speaker Um the visible government league, which
  342. 0:17:43 Unknown speaker I know Meg will talk about when we meet
  343. 0:17:46 Unknown speaker and some of the things we do, but there
  344. 0:17:48 Unknown speaker was a number of our members who
  345. 0:17:51 Unknown speaker participated in a call with um state
  346. 0:17:54 Unknown speaker representatives to get legislation
  347. 0:17:57 Unknown speaker passed. And so um we're intimately
  348. 0:18:00 Unknown speaker involved in that. Tonight, I'd like to
  349. 0:18:02 Unknown speaker talk about Axon, though. Um,
  350. 0:18:07 Unknown speaker I understand the
  351. 0:18:10 Unknown speaker um from a business point of view how
  352. 0:18:12 Unknown speaker Axon would want to um be a soup to nuts
  353. 0:18:16 Unknown speaker provider in terms of justice, but and in
  354. 0:18:20 Unknown speaker terms of a corporation. I just don't
  355. 0:18:21 Unknown speaker think that makes sense for our justice
  356. 0:18:24 Unknown speaker system to a corporation um answers to
  357. 0:18:28 Unknown speaker profits and that doesn't always match up
  358. 0:18:31 Unknown speaker with justice. and and concerning all of
  359. 0:18:34 Unknown speaker the um access points within the justice
  360. 0:18:38 Unknown speaker system from tasers, body cameras, um 911
  361. 0:18:43 Unknown speaker I know is not a part of it in our city,
  362. 0:18:45 Unknown speaker but that's a possibility that I'm sure
  363. 0:18:47 Unknown speaker Axon will try to get us to take on. Um
  364. 0:18:50 Unknown speaker drones as first responders,
  365. 0:18:53 Unknown speaker uh the drone sends, Axon Air, which is
  366. 0:18:56 Unknown speaker the integrated cloud-based digital
  367. 0:18:58 Unknown speaker management. um Axon light post which is
  368. 0:19:01 Unknown speaker pretty scary with within a few minutes
  369. 0:19:04 Unknown speaker they can they advertise as um turning
  370. 0:19:08 Unknown speaker street lights into real time vehicle
  371. 0:19:10 Unknown speaker detection tools. So bringing
  372. 0:19:13 Unknown speaker surveillance to our neighborhoods.
  373. 0:19:16 Unknown speaker I know Axon draft one is controversial
  374. 0:19:19 Unknown speaker but that is one that's a possibility.
  375. 0:19:22 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  376. 0:19:23 Unknown speaker We also have Axon outpost for the cars,
  377. 0:19:26 Unknown speaker Axon fleet. Um, so that's quite an quite
  378. 0:19:30 Unknown speaker a uh outside of um 911
  379. 0:19:35 Unknown speaker from the time someone's in the justice
  380. 0:19:38 Unknown speaker system to being prosecuted that could be
  381. 0:19:41 Unknown speaker controlled by a corporation. And I just
  382. 0:19:43 Unknown speaker caution you to really think about how we
  383. 0:19:48 Unknown speaker work with that within our city because I
  384. 0:19:51 Unknown speaker think a corporation again our
  385. 0:19:52 Unknown speaker corporation's goals do not align with
  386. 0:19:55 Unknown speaker justice.
  387. 0:19:56 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you, Lance Whitaker.
  388. 0:20:12 Unknown speaker Bing.
  389. 0:20:16 Unknown speaker Good morning, mayor and council. My name
  390. 0:20:18 Unknown speaker is Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street,
  391. 0:20:20 Unknown speaker resident for 47 odd years now. Um today
  392. 0:20:24 Unknown speaker is National Chicken and Waffles Day. Day
  393. 0:20:28 Unknown speaker um on writing, youth confidence day. Um
  394. 0:20:33 Unknown speaker uh branded fruit and pharmaceut pharmacy
  395. 0:20:37 Unknown speaker tech day. Um it's also Mickey Manel, Tom
  396. 0:20:42 Unknown speaker Petty, Kamla Harris, and Snoop Dog's
  397. 0:20:45 Unknown speaker birthday today.
  398. 0:20:48 Unknown speaker In 1818, the Canadian border was
  399. 0:20:51 Unknown speaker established.
  400. 0:20:53 Unknown speaker And um you know teachers will love this
  401. 0:20:56 Unknown speaker one. In 1975 the Supreme Court
  402. 0:21:01 Unknown speaker um gave teachers the authority to smack
  403. 0:21:04 Unknown speaker pupils after their first warning.
  404. 0:21:09 Unknown speaker So you teachers should know pretty good
  405. 0:21:11 Unknown speaker about that, huh? All right. And then um
  406. 0:21:14 Unknown speaker memories [laughter] if I got enough
  407. 0:21:16 Unknown speaker time. I got an email the other day that
  408. 0:21:19 Unknown speaker the city is allocating a small portion
  409. 0:21:22 Unknown speaker of the funding in 2027 to support the
  410. 0:21:25 Unknown speaker creation of a second sustainable
  411. 0:21:27 Unknown speaker business program fruit tree hub building
  412. 0:21:30 Unknown speaker in the uh successful implementation
  413. 0:21:33 Unknown speaker of the first hub at the TLC learning
  414. 0:21:36 Unknown speaker center in 2026. The fruit tree hub
  415. 0:21:39 Unknown speaker initiate initiative transforms
  416. 0:21:42 Unknown speaker underutilized space in extreme heat
  417. 0:21:45 Unknown speaker zones to community resources by planting
  418. 0:21:48 Unknown speaker fruit bearing trees and shrubs that
  419. 0:21:50 Unknown speaker provide fresh locally grown fruit
  420. 0:21:53 Unknown speaker while supporting climate resilient
  421. 0:21:56 Unknown speaker resiliency.
  422. 0:21:58 Unknown speaker this out. These hubs are designated to
  423. 0:22:00 Unknown speaker be accessible to the community, allowing
  424. 0:22:02 Unknown speaker residents to harvest fruit at no cost
  425. 0:22:05 Unknown speaker while benefiting the increased tree
  426. 0:22:06 Unknown speaker canopy and reduce reducing urban heat
  427. 0:22:09 Unknown speaker and greater biodiversity.
  428. 0:22:12 Unknown speaker I would like to thank you all. Thank
  429. 0:22:15 Unknown speaker you. That'll be all.
  430. 0:22:16 Unknown speaker I think it's back over there. [laughter]
  431. 0:22:19 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you, Megan. Uh Meg
  432. 0:22:21 Unknown speaker Thornbury.
  433. 0:22:29 Unknown speaker Hello everybody. I am the aforementioned
  434. 0:22:31 Unknown speaker Meg here to tell you about Visible
  435. 0:22:32 Unknown speaker Government League. Um we are having one
  436. 0:22:35 Unknown speaker of our uh twice monthly socials this
  437. 0:22:38 Unknown speaker upcoming Monday. Um we are going to have
  438. 0:22:40 Unknown speaker a presentation by a professor from CU
  439. 0:22:43 Unknown speaker named Zach Weaver. He is currently
  440. 0:22:45 Unknown speaker teaching a class that is called Hacking
  441. 0:22:47 Unknown speaker the Apocalypse. Um and so he will be
  442. 0:22:49 Unknown speaker giving us a sort of crash course about
  443. 0:22:51 Unknown speaker all of the technology that's happening
  444. 0:22:53 Unknown speaker right now. And so if you just sort of
  445. 0:22:54 Unknown speaker want to, you know, learn more about
  446. 0:22:55 Unknown speaker everything that's going on within a
  447. 0:22:57 Unknown speaker professor's framework, um we really hope
  448. 0:22:59 Unknown speaker that you can come join us on Monday at
  449. 0:23:01 Unknown speaker St. Brain Cery from 7 to 9:00 p.m. Um
  450. 0:23:05 Unknown speaker and yes, we are working with state
  451. 0:23:08 Unknown speaker stuff, trying to get some uh statewide
  452. 0:23:10 Unknown speaker legislation going um partially to take
  453. 0:23:12 Unknown speaker the work off of your guys' plates and
  454. 0:23:13 Unknown speaker then the state just says it and
  455. 0:23:14 Unknown speaker everybody else gets it. So um we are
  456. 0:23:17 Unknown speaker excited to be working on that front um
  457. 0:23:19 Unknown speaker and are excited to yeah have that
  458. 0:23:22 Unknown speaker connection with them. Um, also for the
  459. 0:23:24 Unknown speaker what it's worth, um, I just wanted to
  460. 0:23:26 Unknown speaker share how I voted. We had a great ballot
  461. 0:23:28 Unknown speaker filling out parties and, um, I had got
  462. 0:23:30 Unknown speaker the compliment at the end of it that it
  463. 0:23:32 Unknown speaker felt like I was not pressuring anybody
  464. 0:23:34 Unknown speaker into how to vote. I was just telling
  465. 0:23:36 Unknown speaker people the facts. So, I'm going to try
  466. 0:23:38 Unknown speaker to do that again here. Um, for full
  467. 0:23:41 Unknown speaker disclosure, I am a Democratic socialist.
  468. 0:23:43 Unknown speaker So, take it or leave it. Um, but I am,
  469. 0:23:46 Unknown speaker yeah, hoping to just, you know, provide
  470. 0:23:48 Unknown speaker some insights because we have a long
  471. 0:23:50 Unknown speaker ballot this year and there are a lot of
  472. 0:23:51 Unknown speaker tricky things on it. So, I'm not going
  473. 0:23:53 Unknown speaker to talk about any of the candidates. I'm
  474. 0:23:55 Unknown speaker just going to stick with the measures.
  475. 0:23:57 Unknown speaker Um, for context, if you guys haven't
  476. 0:24:00 Unknown speaker heard about Advanced Colorado, it is an
  477. 0:24:01 Unknown speaker organization that is backed by
  478. 0:24:03 Unknown speaker billionaires. Um, it features the
  479. 0:24:05 Unknown speaker Anshutes family and the Kors and um, a
  480. 0:24:08 Unknown speaker billionaire from Wisconsin. So, all of
  481. 0:24:10 Unknown speaker these things all say that they have been
  482. 0:24:12 Unknown speaker citizen initiated. They were basically
  483. 0:24:14 Unknown speaker just, you know, they found their front
  484. 0:24:16 Unknown speaker person to take that to pretend that it's
  485. 0:24:17 Unknown speaker citizen initiated, but it's been fully
  486. 0:24:19 Unknown speaker funded by billionaires. Um, so just keep
  487. 0:24:22 Unknown speaker in mind that those things were then not
  488. 0:24:24 Unknown speaker actually brought on to the ballot by
  489. 0:24:26 Unknown speaker citizens through passion. That this was
  490. 0:24:28 Unknown speaker a very much paid to be on the ballot
  491. 0:24:30 Unknown speaker initiative. Also, just when we're
  492. 0:24:32 Unknown speaker talking about amendments, just remember
  493. 0:24:34 Unknown speaker that's our state constitution. That's
  494. 0:24:35 Unknown speaker like a big thing to do to amend a
  495. 0:24:38 Unknown speaker constitution. So just for the context of
  496. 0:24:40 Unknown speaker all of the amendments, just like really
  497. 0:24:42 Unknown speaker think about what it means to put it in a
  498. 0:24:44 Unknown speaker constitution. So, real quick speedrun um
  499. 0:24:48 Unknown speaker 81 would force compliance with um ICE in
  500. 0:24:51 Unknown speaker terms of communication and establishing
  501. 0:24:52 Unknown speaker that. I think that that's a weird thing
  502. 0:24:54 Unknown speaker to do with a 25-year-old agency to put
  503. 0:24:56 Unknown speaker that into your state's constitution.
  504. 0:24:58 Unknown speaker Just a thing. Um similarly with selling
  505. 0:25:01 Unknown speaker uh 82 is to ensure the right to sell
  506. 0:25:04 Unknown speaker natural gas. Um also not a thing that I
  507. 0:25:06 Unknown speaker think needs to be in a constitution. Um
  508. 0:25:09 Unknown speaker 83 is to sort of go back to um some
  509. 0:25:12 Unknown speaker older hunting rules that would then
  510. 0:25:13 Unknown speaker allow more hunting for wildlife
  511. 0:25:16 Unknown speaker management. Um it is not recommended by
  512. 0:25:18 Unknown speaker any of the ecological groups. So I did
  513. 0:25:20 Unknown speaker not vote in uh favor of that.
  514. 0:25:22 Unknown speaker Proposition 84 is all about Oh my gosh.
  515. 0:25:25 Unknown speaker IDs. Um we don't need to do that one. Um
  516. 0:25:27 Unknown speaker 1334 135. Thank you.
  517. 0:25:30 Unknown speaker Thank you. Uh seeing no one else on the
  518. 0:25:32 Unknown speaker list, I will now close. Public invited
  519. 0:25:35 Unknown speaker to be heard. We are now on to item nine.
  520. 0:25:37 Unknown speaker consent agenda and introdu introduction
  521. 0:25:40 Unknown speaker and reading by title of first reading
  522. 0:25:42 Unknown speaker ordinances. Uh, Don, can you please read
  523. 0:25:44 Unknown speaker the consent agenda into the record?
  524. 0:25:47 Unknown speaker Yes, mayor. The second reading and
  525. 0:25:49 Unknown speaker public hearing for ordinances introduced
  526. 0:25:50 Unknown speaker on the consent agenda will be held on
  527. 0:25:52 Unknown speaker November 3rd, 2026.
  528. 0:25:55 Unknown speaker Item 9A is ordinance 2026-74,
  529. 0:25:58 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance conditionally
  530. 0:25:59 Unknown speaker approving the vacation of public utility
  531. 0:26:01 Unknown speaker easements generally located 11 at 11
  532. 0:26:04 Unknown speaker South Main Street. 9B is ordinance
  533. 0:26:06 Unknown speaker 2026-75,
  534. 0:26:08 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance conditionally
  535. 0:26:09 Unknown speaker approving the Longmont Gateway
  536. 0:26:10 Unknown speaker Northwest, generally located at the
  537. 0:26:12 Unknown speaker northwest corner of US Highway 287 and
  538. 0:26:14 Unknown speaker Park Ridge Avenue within the southwest
  539. 0:26:16 Unknown speaker quarter of section 2022, Township 3
  540. 0:26:19 Unknown speaker North, Range 68 West, comprehensive land
  541. 0:26:22 Unknown speaker use plan amendment 9 C is ordinance
  542. 0:26:24 Unknown speaker 2026-76,
  543. 0:26:26 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance conditionally
  544. 0:26:28 Unknown speaker approving the Longmont Gateway Northwest
  545. 0:26:29 Unknown speaker annexation and concept plan. Uh, same
  546. 0:26:33 Unknown speaker information and zoning the property
  547. 0:26:34 Unknown speaker residential mixed neighborhood R-Mn.
  548. 0:26:37 Unknown speaker 9D is resolution 2026-71,
  549. 0:26:40 Unknown speaker a resolution of the Longmont City
  550. 0:26:41 Unknown speaker Council approving the Longmont Tourism
  551. 0:26:43 Unknown speaker Improvement District's 2027 operating
  552. 0:26:45 Unknown speaker plan and budget. 9E is resolution
  553. 0:26:48 Unknown speaker 2026-72, a resolution of the Longmont
  554. 0:26:50 Unknown speaker City Council, conditionally approving
  555. 0:26:52 Unknown speaker the Harvest Moon Business Improvement
  556. 0:26:54 Unknown speaker Districts 2027 operating plan and draft
  557. 0:26:56 Unknown speaker budget. 9F is resolution 2026-73,
  558. 0:27:00 Unknown speaker resolution of Longmont City Council,
  559. 0:27:01 Unknown speaker conditionally approving the LFM business
  560. 0:27:03 Unknown speaker improvement district's 2027 operating
  561. 0:27:05 Unknown speaker plan and draft budget. 9G is resolution
  562. 0:27:08 Unknown speaker 2026-74, a resolution of the Longmont
  563. 0:27:11 Unknown speaker City Council approving the amendment to
  564. 0:27:13 Unknown speaker the 2026 intergovernmental agreement
  565. 0:27:15 Unknown speaker between the city and the Longmont
  566. 0:27:17 Unknown speaker Downtown Development Authority for
  567. 0:27:18 Unknown speaker support and services. 9H is reapprove
  568. 0:27:21 Unknown speaker approved reappointment of Longmont
  569. 0:27:23 Unknown speaker Tourism Improvement District Directors
  570. 0:27:25 Unknown speaker Muhammad Islam and Sean McCoy. 9 is
  571. 0:27:28 Unknown speaker approved one capital improvement program
  572. 0:27:29 Unknown speaker amendment. 9J approved one capital
  573. 0:27:32 Unknown speaker improvement program program amendment.
  574. 0:27:34 Unknown speaker 9K is accept seven capital improvement
  575. 0:27:36 Unknown speaker program amendments approved by the city
  576. 0:27:38 Unknown speaker manager. Okay. Um are there any council
  577. 0:27:40 Unknown speaker members who want to pull items? Council
  578. 0:27:43 Unknown speaker member Marcen.
  579. 0:27:44 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to pull items
  580. 0:27:46 Unknown speaker B and C.
  581. 0:27:47 Unknown speaker B and C. Okay. Um, seeing no one else in
  582. 0:27:51 Unknown speaker the queue, can I have a motion to accept
  583. 0:27:53 Unknown speaker the consent agenda minus B and C?
  584. 0:27:56 Unknown speaker So,
  585. 0:27:57 Unknown speaker okay. So, go ahead. Were you gonna I'll
  586. 0:27:59 Unknown speaker second it.
  587. 0:28:01 Unknown speaker No, it's [laughter] all right. Um, so
  588. 0:28:03 Unknown speaker the motion has been made to approve the
  589. 0:28:06 Unknown speaker consent agenda it minus items B and C.
  590. 0:28:09 Unknown speaker Motion was made by Mayor Prom McCoy and
  591. 0:28:12 Unknown speaker seconded by myself. Seeing no one in the
  592. 0:28:14 Unknown speaker queue, let's go ahead and vote.
  593. 0:28:20 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  594. 0:28:22 Unknown speaker are now on to ordinances on second
  595. 0:28:25 Unknown speaker reading and public hearings on any
  596. 0:28:26 Unknown speaker matter. Um, so we have item A, ordinance
  597. 0:28:31 Unknown speaker 2026-65,
  598. 0:28:32 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance fixing and
  599. 0:28:34 Unknown speaker levying taxes upon the real and personal
  600. 0:28:36 Unknown speaker property within the city of Longmont for
  601. 0:28:38 Unknown speaker the fiscal year 2026 to pay budgeted
  602. 0:28:41 Unknown speaker city expenses for the 2027 fiscal year.
  603. 0:28:45 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have Oh, it looks like Do we
  604. 0:28:47 Unknown speaker have a staff presentation? It says
  605. 0:28:50 Unknown speaker Kristen Coat, senior planner, invite to
  606. 0:28:53 Unknown speaker the podium.
  607. 0:28:54 Unknown speaker It's in my script. [laughter]
  608. 0:28:56 Unknown speaker Not on this item. I don't
  609. 0:28:57 Unknown speaker Not on this item. Okay.
  610. 0:28:59 Unknown speaker Okay. So, do we have any questions from
  611. 0:29:01 Unknown speaker council? Council member Popkin.
  612. 0:29:04 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Just one. Um since
  613. 0:29:06 Unknown speaker we've had many presentations on the
  614. 0:29:08 Unknown speaker budget, a question for the city manager
  615. 0:29:09 Unknown speaker on this, I think. Um
  616. 0:29:11 Unknown speaker just reading through there's a lot of
  617. 0:29:13 Unknown speaker mill levy discussion and no mills are
  618. 0:29:15 Unknown speaker changing just in plain language. Um are
  619. 0:29:17 Unknown speaker there any taxes being raised to meet our
  620. 0:29:19 Unknown speaker obligations under our current budget?
  621. 0:29:21 Unknown speaker No.
  622. 0:29:21 Unknown speaker Thank you very much. That's all.
  623. 0:29:24 Unknown speaker Okay. Um so seeing no other council um I
  624. 0:29:30 Unknown speaker will now um I will now open the public
  625. 0:29:33 Unknown speaker hearing for ordinance 2026-65.
  626. 0:29:36 Unknown speaker So there is no one signed up for this
  627. 0:29:38 Unknown speaker item. Is there anyone in the audience
  628. 0:29:39 Unknown speaker who would wish to come forward and
  629. 0:29:41 Unknown speaker speak? Seeing none, I will now close the
  630. 0:29:44 Unknown speaker public hearing. Can I have a motion to
  631. 0:29:46 Unknown speaker pass and adopt ordinance 2026-65?
  632. 0:29:49 Unknown speaker Move uh ordinance uh 2026 pass-.
  633. 0:29:54 Unknown speaker Okay. Second.
  634. 0:29:55 Unknown speaker So, the motion has been made to pass and
  635. 0:29:57 Unknown speaker adopt ordinance 2026-65.
  636. 0:30:00 Unknown speaker Motion was made by Mayor Prom McCoy,
  637. 0:30:02 Unknown speaker seconded by Council Member Christ.
  638. 0:30:04 Unknown speaker Seeing no one in the queue, let's go
  639. 0:30:05 Unknown speaker ahead and vote.
  640. 0:30:13 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  641. 0:30:15 Unknown speaker are now on to item B, ordinance 2026-66,
  642. 0:30:20 Unknown speaker bill for an ordinance fixing and levying
  643. 0:30:22 Unknown speaker taxes upon the real and personal
  644. 0:30:24 Unknown speaker property within the Longmont Downtown
  645. 0:30:26 Unknown speaker Development District for the year 2026
  646. 0:30:28 Unknown speaker to pay budgeted expenses of the Longmont
  647. 0:30:31 Unknown speaker Downtown Development Authority for the
  648. 0:30:33 Unknown speaker 2027 fiscal year. Are there any
  649. 0:30:35 Unknown speaker questions from council? Council member
  650. 0:30:37 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  651. 0:30:38 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Uh, question for the
  652. 0:30:40 Unknown speaker city manager. Just, uh, given the title
  653. 0:30:42 Unknown speaker of the bill and all the language on mil
  654. 0:30:43 Unknown speaker levies again, one more question for you.
  655. 0:30:45 Unknown speaker Are there any taxes being raised to meet
  656. 0:30:46 Unknown speaker our fiscal obligations for the LDDA?
  657. 0:30:48 Unknown speaker Nope.
  658. 0:30:49 Unknown speaker Thank you very much.
  659. 0:30:50 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. So, can I have a
  660. 0:30:53 Unknown speaker motion? Oh, I'm sorry. Never mind. I got
  661. 0:30:55 Unknown speaker to open the public hearing. So do we uh
  662. 0:30:57 Unknown speaker there is no one signed up on the um on
  663. 0:31:00 Unknown speaker the list to speak but um now seeing I
  664. 0:31:05 Unknown speaker will now open the public hearing. Is
  665. 0:31:06 Unknown speaker there anyone in the audience who wishes
  666. 0:31:08 Unknown speaker to speak on this item? Okay.
  667. 0:31:10 Unknown speaker [clears throat] Seeing none I will now
  668. 0:31:12 Unknown speaker close public hearing. May I have a
  669. 0:31:13 Unknown speaker motion to pass and adopt ordinance
  670. 0:31:15 Unknown speaker 2026-66?
  671. 0:31:17 Unknown speaker So the motion was made by council member
  672. 0:31:19 Unknown speaker Christ to pass and adopt ordinance
  673. 0:31:21 Unknown speaker 2026-66.
  674. 0:31:23 Unknown speaker Seconded by council member Kuffer.
  675. 0:31:26 Unknown speaker Seeing no one in the queue, let's go
  676. 0:31:27 Unknown speaker ahead and vote on this item.
  677. 0:31:32 Unknown speaker And that carries unanimously. We are now
  678. 0:31:34 Unknown speaker on to item C, ordinance 2026-67,
  679. 0:31:38 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance making
  680. 0:31:40 Unknown speaker additional appropriations for expenses
  681. 0:31:42 Unknown speaker and liabilities of the city of Longmont
  682. 0:31:44 Unknown speaker for the fiscal year beginning in January
  683. 0:31:46 Unknown speaker 1st, 2026. Uh, 13th appropriation. Are
  684. 0:31:50 Unknown speaker there any questions from council?
  685. 0:31:53 Unknown speaker None. Okay. I thought he was going to
  686. 0:31:55 Unknown speaker ask the same thing. [laughter]
  687. 0:31:57 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, I will now open the public
  688. 0:32:00 Unknown speaker hearing for ordinance 2026-67.
  689. 0:32:03 Unknown speaker Uh, no one signed up for this. Is there
  690. 0:32:05 Unknown speaker anyone in the audience wishing to speak
  691. 0:32:07 Unknown speaker on this item? Seeing none, I will now
  692. 0:32:09 Unknown speaker close the public hearing. Can I have a
  693. 0:32:11 Unknown speaker motion to pass and adopt ordinance
  694. 0:32:13 Unknown speaker 2026-67?
  695. 0:32:15 Unknown speaker Second.
  696. 0:32:15 Unknown speaker Motion was made by Mayor Prom and
  697. 0:32:18 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Chris to pass
  698. 0:32:20 Unknown speaker and adopt ordinance 2026-67.
  699. 0:32:22 Unknown speaker See no one in the queue. Let's go ahead
  700. 0:32:24 Unknown speaker and vote.
  701. 0:32:30 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  702. 0:32:33 Unknown speaker We are now on to item D, ordinance
  703. 0:32:36 Unknown speaker 2026-68,
  704. 0:32:38 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance making
  705. 0:32:39 Unknown speaker additional appropriations for expenses
  706. 0:32:41 Unknown speaker and liabilities for the city of Longmont
  707. 0:32:44 Unknown speaker for the fiscal year beginning in January
  708. 0:32:46 Unknown speaker 1st, 2026. This is our 14th
  709. 0:32:48 Unknown speaker appropriation. Are there any questions
  710. 0:32:50 Unknown speaker from council?
  711. 0:32:52 Unknown speaker Seeing none, I will now open the public
  712. 0:32:54 Unknown speaker hearing for ordinance 2026-68.
  713. 0:32:58 Unknown speaker There uh no one signed up. Are there any
  714. 0:33:00 Unknown speaker members of the audience wishing to speak
  715. 0:33:02 Unknown speaker on this item? Seeing none, I will now
  716. 0:33:05 Unknown speaker close the public hearing. May I have a
  717. 0:33:06 Unknown speaker motion to pass and adopt?
  718. 0:33:08 Unknown speaker So moved.
  719. 0:33:09 Unknown speaker Second.
  720. 0:33:09 Unknown speaker Okay. So the motion um to pass and adopt
  721. 0:33:12 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-68 was made by council
  722. 0:33:15 Unknown speaker member Chris, seconded by Mayor Prom
  723. 0:33:17 Unknown speaker McCoy. Seeing no one in the queue, let's
  724. 0:33:19 Unknown speaker go ahead and vote.
  725. 0:33:22 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  726. 0:33:26 Unknown speaker No, you're good.
  727. 0:33:28 Unknown speaker Okay, thank you. That carries
  728. 0:33:30 Unknown speaker unanimously. So, we are now on to item E
  729. 0:33:34 Unknown speaker um 8513
  730. 0:33:36 Unknown speaker St. Rain Road annexation.
  731. 0:33:39 Unknown speaker And
  732. 0:33:40 Unknown speaker this is so we have two items in this. I
  733. 0:33:44 Unknown speaker will condense the public hearing into
  734. 0:33:47 Unknown speaker one public hearing for both items, but
  735. 0:33:50 Unknown speaker it looks like we do have a presentation
  736. 0:33:51 Unknown speaker for resolution 2026-75 and ordinance
  737. 0:33:55 Unknown speaker 2026-69.
  738. 0:34:00 Unknown speaker And now, Kristen Coat, you may come to
  739. 0:34:02 Unknown speaker the I don't know if you wanted to talk
  740. 0:34:04 Unknown speaker about appropriations and all that.
  741. 0:34:06 Unknown speaker Oh, no, definitely not.
  742. 0:34:08 Unknown speaker It was weird that you were in there. I
  743. 0:34:10 Unknown speaker was [laughter] like, okay. Thank you,
  744. 0:34:12 Unknown speaker mayor and council members. I am Kristen
  745. 0:34:14 Unknown speaker Cody, a senior planner in planning and
  746. 0:34:16 Unknown speaker development services. And this evening
  747. 0:34:18 Unknown speaker for your consideration, I will be
  748. 0:34:20 Unknown speaker presenting the
  749. 0:34:22 Unknown speaker information in reference to the 8513
  750. 0:34:25 Unknown speaker St. Vine Road annexation, zoning, and
  751. 0:34:27 Unknown speaker concept plan.
  752. 0:34:30 Unknown speaker So, we are looking to there are two
  753. 0:34:32 Unknown speaker items for council consideration tonight.
  754. 0:34:34 Unknown speaker The first is the second resolution of
  755. 0:34:36 Unknown speaker statutory compliance which council is
  756. 0:34:39 Unknown speaker required to do to establish that the
  757. 0:34:43 Unknown speaker annexation meets the statutory
  758. 0:34:44 Unknown speaker requirements of the Colorado annexation
  759. 0:34:46 Unknown speaker ordinance of 1965.
  760. 0:34:49 Unknown speaker The second item is the annexation
  761. 0:34:52 Unknown speaker concept plan and zoning for the property
  762. 0:34:54 Unknown speaker at the 8513 St. Fraine location.
  763. 0:35:01 Unknown speaker This in in this slide shows you a
  764. 0:35:03 Unknown speaker depiction of the site location. It is in
  765. 0:35:06 Unknown speaker the northeast corner of Airport Road and
  766. 0:35:09 Unknown speaker 9th Avenue. It is located um adjacent to
  767. 0:35:14 Unknown speaker the Burlington Northern Santa Fe
  768. 0:35:16 Unknown speaker Railroad to the north. It's
  769. 0:35:18 Unknown speaker approximately 4.117 acres. It is located
  770. 0:35:22 Unknown speaker in the airport influence zone and
  771. 0:35:24 Unknown speaker envision Longmont is designated it as
  772. 0:35:26 Unknown speaker mixed neighborhood.
  773. 0:35:30 Unknown speaker These are some pictures of the site.
  774. 0:35:33 Unknown speaker This is a picture of the at the north
  775. 0:35:35 Unknown speaker northerly property line kind of looking
  776. 0:35:37 Unknown speaker down. You can see the railroad.
  777. 0:35:42 Unknown speaker This slide is the view from 9inth Avenue
  778. 0:35:45 Unknown speaker looking at the existing access point
  779. 0:35:49 Unknown speaker and this is the view from airport road
  780. 0:35:51 Unknown speaker of the property currently.
  781. 0:35:56 Unknown speaker So the proposed concept plan is uh is
  782. 0:35:59 Unknown speaker encompasses approximately 4.1 acres of
  783. 0:36:02 Unknown speaker land proposes 27 to 44 residential units
  784. 0:36:05 Unknown speaker per acre. The proposal is for single
  785. 0:36:08 Unknown speaker family detached and attached houses with
  786. 0:36:10 Unknown speaker an RMN re residential mixed neighborhood
  787. 0:36:13 Unknown speaker zoning classification
  788. 0:36:15 Unknown speaker that
  789. 0:36:17 Unknown speaker the unit count comes out to
  790. 0:36:18 Unknown speaker approximately 6.1 to 9.9 DUS per acre.
  791. 0:36:23 Unknown speaker There's planned access and connect
  792. 0:36:25 Unknown speaker connectivity through the Champion Green
  793. 0:36:27 Unknown speaker subdivision which is east of this
  794. 0:36:29 Unknown speaker property and a proposed rightin out
  795. 0:36:32 Unknown speaker access and a gated emergency access onto
  796. 0:36:35 Unknown speaker Airport Road.
  797. 0:36:41 Unknown speaker So this is a slide that depicts the
  798. 0:36:43 Unknown speaker surrounding zoning and land uses. The
  799. 0:36:45 Unknown speaker proposed zoning, as I previously said,
  800. 0:36:47 Unknown speaker is residential mixed neighborhood. It's
  801. 0:36:49 Unknown speaker adjacent to residential mixed
  802. 0:36:51 Unknown speaker neighborhood land, residential single
  803. 0:36:54 Unknown speaker family, agricultural land, and
  804. 0:36:55 Unknown speaker unincorporated Boulder County. The
  805. 0:36:58 Unknown speaker purpose of the RMN district is to
  806. 0:37:00 Unknown speaker establish and preserve [clears throat]
  807. 0:37:02 Unknown speaker mixed density develop neighborhoods to
  808. 0:37:04 Unknown speaker accommodate a variety of housing types,
  809. 0:37:07 Unknown speaker including detached and smaller scale
  810. 0:37:09 Unknown speaker attached dwellings. And it is intended
  811. 0:37:11 Unknown speaker to serve as a transition transition from
  812. 0:37:13 Unknown speaker single family neighborhoods to higher
  813. 0:37:15 Unknown speaker density corridors.
  814. 0:37:19 Unknown speaker This is a depiction of the property as
  815. 0:37:21 Unknown speaker per the envision Longmont comprehensive
  816. 0:37:23 Unknown speaker land use plan. It is designated as
  817. 0:37:25 Unknown speaker residential mixed neighborhood and is
  818. 0:37:27 Unknown speaker proposing to develop as such. A range of
  819. 0:37:31 Unknown speaker residential uses are permitted in this
  820. 0:37:33 Unknown speaker zoning category and that includes single
  821. 0:37:35 Unknown speaker family residential town homes and
  822. 0:37:37 Unknown speaker multifamily buildings. Available or
  823. 0:37:40 Unknown speaker allowable secondary uses include
  824. 0:37:42 Unknown speaker small-cale retail, restaurants, cafes,
  825. 0:37:44 Unknown speaker community gardens, parks and churches.
  826. 0:37:50 Unknown speaker This slide um gives some information in
  827. 0:37:53 Unknown speaker reference to the Envision Longmont
  828. 0:37:55 Unknown speaker comprehensive land use plan in reference
  829. 0:37:57 Unknown speaker to provisions that support this request.
  830. 0:38:00 Unknown speaker It includes goal 1.1A which is growth
  831. 0:38:03 Unknown speaker management 1.2E which is a mix of
  832. 0:38:06 Unknown speaker housing types. It helps to reinforce the
  833. 0:38:09 Unknown speaker development within the city's planning
  834. 0:38:11 Unknown speaker area and provide a compatible transition
  835. 0:38:15 Unknown speaker to between um neighborhoods and adjacent
  836. 0:38:17 Unknown speaker corridors.
  837. 0:38:21 Unknown speaker As per all applications, they must um
  838. 0:38:24 Unknown speaker complete and the review criteria for all
  839. 0:38:27 Unknown speaker application types which discusses
  840. 0:38:30 Unknown speaker consistency with the comprehensive plan
  841. 0:38:32 Unknown speaker and zoning district, compliance with
  842. 0:38:34 Unknown speaker standards, compatibility with
  843. 0:38:36 Unknown speaker surrounding properties, impacts to
  844. 0:38:38 Unknown speaker surrounding properties, compliance with
  845. 0:38:41 Unknown speaker sustainability requirements where
  846. 0:38:43 Unknown speaker applicable, and uh an appropriate
  847. 0:38:45 Unknown speaker transportation plan, multimodal and
  848. 0:38:47 Unknown speaker connectivity.
  849. 0:38:52 Unknown speaker In addition to those review criteria, an
  850. 0:38:54 Unknown speaker annexation must also um respond to the
  851. 0:38:57 Unknown speaker annexation review criteria which include
  852. 0:39:00 Unknown speaker includes compliance with the municipal
  853. 0:39:02 Unknown speaker annexation act location within the
  854. 0:39:04 Unknown speaker municipal service area, ability to
  855. 0:39:07 Unknown speaker integrate the land into the city and
  856. 0:39:09 Unknown speaker compliance with the environmental
  857. 0:39:11 Unknown speaker requirements etc.
  858. 0:39:15 Unknown speaker So, this request was heard by the
  859. 0:39:17 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission on April
  860. 0:39:19 Unknown speaker 15th of 2026. They conducted a public
  861. 0:39:22 Unknown speaker hearing. They heard presentations from
  862. 0:39:24 Unknown speaker staff and the applicant. There was a
  863. 0:39:27 Unknown speaker discussion and the proposal raised um a
  864. 0:39:32 Unknown speaker a lot of public comment and after
  865. 0:39:35 Unknown speaker consideration the planning commission
  866. 0:39:37 Unknown speaker recommended approval 61.
  867. 0:39:43 Unknown speaker So the public comment at the planning
  868. 0:39:45 Unknown speaker commission we've heard
  869. 0:39:48 Unknown speaker many concerns regarding traffic safety
  870. 0:39:50 Unknown speaker density neighborhood access wildlife
  871. 0:39:53 Unknown speaker drainage groundwater
  872. 0:39:55 Unknown speaker utilities and a number of other things.
  873. 0:39:57 Unknown speaker Um staff wants to rec wants council to
  874. 0:40:00 Unknown speaker understand that I recognize or staff
  875. 0:40:03 Unknown speaker recognizes the importance of these
  876. 0:40:05 Unknown speaker issues and that many of them
  877. 0:40:08 Unknown speaker unfortunately are questions that cannot
  878. 0:40:09 Unknown speaker be answered until further along in the
  879. 0:40:11 Unknown speaker development process.
  880. 0:40:16 Unknown speaker So this um application was went to first
  881. 0:40:21 Unknown speaker reading on October 6, 2026.
  882. 0:40:24 Unknown speaker Um council discussion was made and there
  883. 0:40:26 Unknown speaker is a motion. Council member Kulkoffer
  884. 0:40:28 Unknown speaker proposed two conditions. There was
  885. 0:40:30 Unknown speaker discussion regarding those conditions. A
  886. 0:40:32 Unknown speaker motion was made and seconded in carrying
  887. 0:40:34 Unknown speaker 70 to include those conditions.
  888. 0:40:37 Unknown speaker And these are those two conditions
  889. 0:40:40 Unknown speaker in regarding the future development and
  890. 0:40:42 Unknown speaker traffic control me measures and then
  891. 0:40:44 Unknown speaker mitigation of fuel loads and hazardous
  892. 0:40:46 Unknown speaker vegetation.
  893. 0:40:50 Unknown speaker Planning and zoning, as I previously
  894. 0:40:51 Unknown speaker said, voted to recommend approval of the
  895. 0:40:53 Unknown speaker 8513 St. Rain Road application as
  896. 0:40:56 Unknown speaker presented. So council has three options
  897. 0:40:59 Unknown speaker tonight. Approve, approve with
  898. 0:41:01 Unknown speaker conditions, or deny the request.
  899. 0:41:05 Unknown speaker And that is all I have right now. The
  900. 0:41:07 Unknown speaker applicant is present and does also have
  901. 0:41:09 Unknown speaker a presentation. Thank you so very much.
  902. 0:41:11 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  903. 0:41:29 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  904. 0:41:29 Unknown speaker You're welcome.
  905. 0:41:34 Unknown speaker So, I'm going to use this arrow here.
  906. 0:41:40 Unknown speaker But these arrows don't work.
  907. 0:41:42 Unknown speaker Okay.
  908. 0:41:51 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  909. 0:41:53 Unknown speaker Good evening. My name is uh Jack Bestl
  910. 0:41:55 Unknown speaker Best Collaborative. I'm the owner's
  911. 0:41:58 Unknown speaker representative for St. brain property
  912. 0:42:00 Unknown speaker and I'm here to request that you approve
  913. 0:42:03 Unknown speaker the annexation of this property into the
  914. 0:42:05 Unknown speaker city of Longmont.
  915. 0:42:10 Unknown speaker We had several goals that we really
  916. 0:42:12 Unknown speaker wanted to focus on during the planning
  917. 0:42:15 Unknown speaker process and annexation which has gone on
  918. 0:42:18 Unknown speaker for some time now. But we really wanted
  919. 0:42:20 Unknown speaker to focus on listening to the community
  920. 0:42:22 Unknown speaker and complying with state and city
  921. 0:42:24 Unknown speaker criteria as as Kristen has outlined and
  922. 0:42:28 Unknown speaker conform to the Envision Longmont plan.
  923. 0:42:31 Unknown speaker It is uh the land use designation is RMN
  924. 0:42:36 Unknown speaker and um there's about 4.45 acres
  925. 0:42:40 Unknown speaker altogether
  926. 0:42:41 Unknown speaker that can be developed here and the RMN
  927. 0:42:44 Unknown speaker allows 6 to 18 to the acre. Um,
  928. 0:42:49 Unknown speaker we'll talk about that some more. We've
  929. 0:42:51 Unknown speaker had four neighborhood meetings. We've
  930. 0:42:53 Unknown speaker had a number of individual and group
  931. 0:42:55 Unknown speaker sessions. Um, modifications were were
  932. 0:42:59 Unknown speaker really made on these plans based on
  933. 0:43:01 Unknown speaker that. And, uh, I'd like to talk a little
  934. 0:43:04 Unknown speaker bit about the areas of refinement that
  935. 0:43:06 Unknown speaker came from those discussions.
  936. 0:43:09 Unknown speaker This is a a photo of uh, Champion Greens
  937. 0:43:12 Unknown speaker looking south along the property line at
  938. 0:43:15 Unknown speaker a residential unit. and then some of the
  939. 0:43:17 Unknown speaker some of the uh shrubbery and trees that
  940. 0:43:20 Unknown speaker are both on the Champion Green side and
  941. 0:43:22 Unknown speaker on the St. Brain side. This is the
  942. 0:43:25 Unknown speaker landscape buffer that we will provide at
  943. 0:43:28 Unknown speaker 26 ft landscaped along the along the St.
  944. 0:43:32 Unknown speaker Brain side of the of the property line.
  945. 0:43:35 Unknown speaker And then there's also the the buffer
  946. 0:43:37 Unknown speaker landscape uh which will adjoin the St.
  947. 0:43:41 Unknown speaker Brain property. The diagonal is where
  948. 0:43:43 Unknown speaker the development area will be and we can
  949. 0:43:45 Unknown speaker talk a little bit more about that. The
  950. 0:43:47 Unknown speaker planning, the compatibility side of this
  951. 0:43:49 Unknown speaker I think is complimentary. It's a similar
  952. 0:43:51 Unknown speaker scale residential development. It's
  953. 0:43:54 Unknown speaker diversified resident residential mix
  954. 0:43:57 Unknown speaker being brought to the area and the um it
  955. 0:44:01 Unknown speaker really shares similar setbacks and
  956. 0:44:02 Unknown speaker building envelopes.
  957. 0:44:05 Unknown speaker Champion Greens has basement. They have
  958. 0:44:08 Unknown speaker a height limitation of 30 feet which is
  959. 0:44:11 Unknown speaker a part of their development standards
  960. 0:44:12 Unknown speaker and their development plan. This zoning
  961. 0:44:15 Unknown speaker would allow 35 feet and they have a
  962. 0:44:17 Unknown speaker sideyard of zero to 10 ft. Here you can
  963. 0:44:20 Unknown speaker see twotory
  964. 0:44:22 Unknown speaker uh structures at St. Vin. There would be
  965. 0:44:26 Unknown speaker no basement. We will have attached and
  966. 0:44:29 Unknown speaker and possibly single family detach as
  967. 0:44:31 Unknown speaker well. The height in RMN and single
  968. 0:44:34 Unknown speaker family detach is the same 35 ft. The
  969. 0:44:37 Unknown speaker sideyard is 0 to 5 feet.
  970. 0:44:40 Unknown speaker So you can see there's a certain
  971. 0:44:42 Unknown speaker consistency or complimentary uh
  972. 0:44:45 Unknown speaker relationship with the compatible
  973. 0:44:47 Unknown speaker development standards.
  974. 0:44:49 Unknown speaker Engineering wise, Champion Greens was
  975. 0:44:51 Unknown speaker approved after planning with the city
  976. 0:44:54 Unknown speaker and the city required access to the St.
  977. 0:44:56 Unknown speaker Bane property both on the north at uh
  978. 0:45:00 Unknown speaker Champion Green Circle and at the south
  979. 0:45:02 Unknown speaker at Durell Drive. Also, the water loop
  980. 0:45:05 Unknown speaker was another requirement to connect into
  981. 0:45:08 Unknown speaker St. Brain. This shows the Dural Drive
  982. 0:45:10 Unknown speaker development plan on the south the
  983. 0:45:13 Unknown speaker drawing. And this is the improved
  984. 0:45:14 Unknown speaker roadway section looking west. The wall
  985. 0:45:17 Unknown speaker is at the property line with St. Brain.
  986. 0:45:20 Unknown speaker This is uh Champion Green Circle on the
  987. 0:45:22 Unknown speaker north and how it relates to uh the you
  988. 0:45:27 Unknown speaker can see the roundabout there and how it
  989. 0:45:28 Unknown speaker relates to St. Vin where the white wall
  990. 0:45:30 Unknown speaker is in the background. So those were the
  991. 0:45:33 Unknown speaker access points. Traffic of course is
  992. 0:45:35 Unknown speaker always a consideration is always a
  993. 0:45:37 Unknown speaker concern. Uh in this case um we were
  994. 0:45:40 Unknown speaker asked a number of questions and there
  995. 0:45:42 Unknown speaker were a number of comments made. I've
  996. 0:45:44 Unknown speaker kind of aggregated some of these just to
  997. 0:45:46 Unknown speaker make sure you understand kind of where
  998. 0:45:48 Unknown speaker we were thinking and what we were
  999. 0:45:50 Unknown speaker hearing. One of the questions was um if
  1000. 0:45:53 Unknown speaker there if there is for example an access
  1001. 0:45:55 Unknown speaker onto airport road which which came about
  1002. 0:45:58 Unknown speaker later what would be the amount of
  1003. 0:46:00 Unknown speaker traffic that would be [snorts]
  1004. 0:46:02 Unknown speaker uh coming from Champion Greens into St.
  1005. 0:46:05 Unknown speaker B I mean excuse me St. Brain into
  1006. 0:46:06 Unknown speaker Champion Greens it's about 20 to 25% of
  1007. 0:46:09 Unknown speaker of our of the trips in St. Brain. That's
  1008. 0:46:13 Unknown speaker our engineers best estimate. the the
  1009. 0:46:16 Unknown speaker same thing would apply now that there's
  1010. 0:46:18 Unknown speaker an airport access opportunity for about
  1011. 0:46:22 Unknown speaker 20 to 25% from Champion Greens into St.
  1012. 0:46:24 Unknown speaker Brain property. Uh would would the
  1013. 0:46:27 Unknown speaker airport road eliminate access to
  1014. 0:46:28 Unknown speaker Champion Greens? No. Uh those are still
  1015. 0:46:31 Unknown speaker necessary and planned. The southbound
  1016. 0:46:35 Unknown speaker left turn lane, is that a possibility on
  1017. 0:46:37 Unknown speaker the airport road? Because it would be a
  1018. 0:46:38 Unknown speaker right in right now as proposed and as
  1019. 0:46:41 Unknown speaker allowed by the city. Uh so the the quick
  1020. 0:46:44 Unknown speaker answer is no. it doesn't meet the
  1021. 0:46:45 Unknown speaker criteria for the city, but that's the
  1022. 0:46:47 Unknown speaker city's decision.
  1023. 0:46:49 Unknown speaker Um, and the city was very good to work
  1024. 0:46:51 Unknown speaker with us on this opportunity to get an
  1025. 0:46:54 Unknown speaker access on Airport Road. This shows the
  1026. 0:46:57 Unknown speaker Champion Green Circle on the right up
  1027. 0:47:00 Unknown speaker there on and then the roadway going
  1028. 0:47:02 Unknown speaker through St. Vine to Airport Road.
  1029. 0:47:05 Unknown speaker Collectively, the two projects would
  1030. 0:47:07 Unknown speaker generate
  1031. 0:47:09 Unknown speaker to this access point about 30 to 35% of
  1032. 0:47:12 Unknown speaker the total trips. So I think this really
  1033. 0:47:14 Unknown speaker is a very significant mitigation measure
  1034. 0:47:17 Unknown speaker of of introducing just traffic into
  1035. 0:47:20 Unknown speaker Champion Greens
  1036. 0:47:22 Unknown speaker drainage and flood plane. Kristen
  1037. 0:47:24 Unknown speaker mentioned this earlier. It's not in the
  1038. 0:47:26 Unknown speaker flood plane. Uh we can talk about that.
  1039. 0:47:29 Unknown speaker There's uh the runoff would not go to
  1040. 0:47:32 Unknown speaker Champion Greens. It's going the opposite
  1041. 0:47:34 Unknown speaker direction. Here you can see the FEMA
  1042. 0:47:36 Unknown speaker MAC. The flood plane is to the south of
  1043. 0:47:37 Unknown speaker both St. Rain and Champion Greens. Uh
  1044. 0:47:41 Unknown speaker there was mitigation done upstream uh
  1045. 0:47:43 Unknown speaker after the 2013 flood to allow the FEMA
  1046. 0:47:46 Unknown speaker to uh modify this map or amend the map.
  1047. 0:47:50 Unknown speaker Um engineering and drainage also the
  1048. 0:47:53 Unknown speaker concern about St. Rain generating uh
  1049. 0:47:56 Unknown speaker drainage into Champion Greens. No
  1050. 0:47:58 Unknown speaker surface flow, our intent is no surface
  1051. 0:48:01 Unknown speaker flow will go into Champion Greens and
  1052. 0:48:02 Unknown speaker that will be a design that the city will
  1053. 0:48:05 Unknown speaker review if in fact this is annexed and
  1054. 0:48:07 Unknown speaker we're allowed to proceed with the site
  1055. 0:48:08 Unknown speaker plan design.
  1056. 0:48:10 Unknown speaker Uh the detention pond was also a concern
  1057. 0:48:12 Unknown speaker where it was located. We can talk a
  1058. 0:48:15 Unknown speaker little bit about that. You can see the
  1059. 0:48:17 Unknown speaker green area here. There was a concern by
  1060. 0:48:20 Unknown speaker lot one there that we were putting the
  1061. 0:48:24 Unknown speaker pond right on the property line and
  1062. 0:48:25 Unknown speaker that's not the case. And and we've
  1063. 0:48:27 Unknown speaker redrawn this to make sure that our
  1064. 0:48:30 Unknown speaker intent will be to put the pond to the
  1065. 0:48:31 Unknown speaker left or to the west and we'll have the
  1066. 0:48:34 Unknown speaker buffer coming down along that property
  1067. 0:48:36 Unknown speaker line. that again will be carefully
  1068. 0:48:38 Unknown speaker considered by DRC and and the
  1069. 0:48:40 Unknown speaker engineering group. On the left you can
  1070. 0:48:43 Unknown speaker see a lot of squiggly lines uh on the
  1071. 0:48:46 Unknown speaker St. Rain property. Those were surveyed
  1072. 0:48:49 Unknown speaker by our surveyor and those are the
  1073. 0:48:51 Unknown speaker irrigation ditches that were on the St.
  1074. 0:48:54 Unknown speaker Vine property when we bought the
  1075. 0:48:56 Unknown speaker property. They are they are dug, hand
  1076. 0:48:59 Unknown speaker dug and machine dug and they were there
  1077. 0:49:01 Unknown speaker to irrigate the trees and the garden
  1078. 0:49:04 Unknown speaker that the previous owners had. They're
  1079. 0:49:07 Unknown speaker not a part of the Zvec ditch district.
  1080. 0:49:09 Unknown speaker They were they were used there and the
  1081. 0:49:12 Unknown speaker gate valve for this which was on Airport
  1082. 0:49:14 Unknown speaker Road was closed and locked two and a
  1083. 0:49:16 Unknown speaker half years ago. So it's dried out. Um
  1084. 0:49:20 Unknown speaker and of [snorts] course that's affecting
  1085. 0:49:22 Unknown speaker the trees. Speaking of trees, we have
  1086. 0:49:24 Unknown speaker 575 trees. We have fewer now because
  1087. 0:49:28 Unknown speaker we've been taking them down and um
  1088. 0:49:31 Unknown speaker that's something we're serious about and
  1089. 0:49:32 Unknown speaker we've been working at it. It's in
  1090. 0:49:34 Unknown speaker process. This shows the survey that
  1091. 0:49:36 Unknown speaker meets the city's requirement for a tree
  1092. 0:49:38 Unknown speaker inventory. Working with your arborist uh
  1093. 0:49:41 Unknown speaker you know show us where they are, what
  1094. 0:49:42 Unknown speaker kind they are, what quality they are and
  1095. 0:49:46 Unknown speaker uh what could be maintained and what
  1096. 0:49:48 Unknown speaker not. And so we've worked through that
  1097. 0:49:49 Unknown speaker and we continue to work through with the
  1098. 0:49:51 Unknown speaker arborists and and with planning. This
  1099. 0:49:54 Unknown speaker shows some of the clearing that we've
  1100. 0:49:55 Unknown speaker done on the site. Uh this shows some
  1101. 0:49:58 Unknown speaker some native species that at one point I
  1102. 0:50:01 Unknown speaker thought we might be able to maintain.
  1103. 0:50:03 Unknown speaker Taking away the irrigation ditches and
  1104. 0:50:05 Unknown speaker grading that out has reduced their
  1105. 0:50:08 Unknown speaker survivability or their sustainability,
  1106. 0:50:10 Unknown speaker but we'll continue to look at that
  1107. 0:50:12 Unknown speaker carefully. And the main thing is of
  1108. 0:50:13 Unknown speaker course we don't want them to be
  1109. 0:50:14 Unknown speaker dangerous. Some of these are coming down
  1110. 0:50:16 Unknown speaker now. They've been red tagged already.
  1111. 0:50:18 Unknown speaker So, we're the amendments that were
  1112. 0:50:21 Unknown speaker offered um we're we're in in alignment
  1113. 0:50:25 Unknown speaker with I mean, we're going to continue to
  1114. 0:50:27 Unknown speaker we'll develop a plan and and continue to
  1115. 0:50:30 Unknown speaker remove uh dead trees, limbs, and and
  1116. 0:50:33 Unknown speaker really in 2027 is our target to really
  1117. 0:50:36 Unknown speaker get this thing under control and to
  1118. 0:50:39 Unknown speaker hopefully not clearcut it, but to
  1119. 0:50:40 Unknown speaker definitely remove uh the bulk of the
  1120. 0:50:43 Unknown speaker trees under a plan that's worked through
  1121. 0:50:45 Unknown speaker with the city. Uh the there were some
  1122. 0:50:49 Unknown speaker environmental comments of course made
  1123. 0:50:51 Unknown speaker about the project that this was critical
  1124. 0:50:52 Unknown speaker habitat or the prebel mouse was there.
  1125. 0:50:55 Unknown speaker Uh the quick answer to those is those
  1126. 0:50:58 Unknown speaker are this is not critical habitat. Our uh
  1127. 0:51:01 Unknown speaker habitat our species and habitat
  1128. 0:51:03 Unknown speaker conservation plan our analysis with our
  1129. 0:51:05 Unknown speaker consultants showed no critical habitat
  1130. 0:51:07 Unknown speaker compet uh possibilities and the prebel
  1131. 0:51:10 Unknown speaker mouse is not there. There's a yellow
  1132. 0:51:11 Unknown speaker little circle there you can see on the
  1133. 0:51:13 Unknown speaker site. That was the one nest that we
  1134. 0:51:15 Unknown speaker found with the nesting service nesting
  1135. 0:51:18 Unknown speaker survey we were we we uh conducted and it
  1136. 0:51:22 Unknown speaker was not occupied. So of course we'll
  1137. 0:51:24 Unknown speaker look at that again before construction
  1138. 0:51:26 Unknown speaker and so forth. There is a there is a nest
  1139. 0:51:29 Unknown speaker the osprey nest up in the pond to the
  1140. 0:51:30 Unknown speaker northn northwest that is there. We and
  1141. 0:51:33 Unknown speaker we indicated that as we as is necessary.
  1142. 0:51:36 Unknown speaker These are the three concept plans I just
  1143. 0:51:38 Unknown speaker wanted to touch on listening to the
  1144. 0:51:40 Unknown speaker community input and and I don't I'm not
  1145. 0:51:43 Unknown speaker suggesting here that we agree. Um but we
  1146. 0:51:46 Unknown speaker did work very hard to have dialogue and
  1147. 0:51:48 Unknown speaker to communicate with with the people. Um
  1148. 0:51:52 Unknown speaker and I think that by listening we we
  1149. 0:51:54 Unknown speaker learned some stuff that made made the
  1150. 0:51:56 Unknown speaker plan better. This was the first
  1151. 0:51:57 Unknown speaker neighborhood meeting concept plan that
  1152. 0:51:59 Unknown speaker was submitted. You can see there's homes
  1153. 0:52:02 Unknown speaker brown on both sides along and especially
  1154. 0:52:05 Unknown speaker along this the uh Champion Greens uh
  1155. 0:52:09 Unknown speaker property line. Uh about 57 residential
  1156. 0:52:12 Unknown speaker units 12.7 to the acre. There's no
  1157. 0:52:15 Unknown speaker there's no airport access at this point.
  1158. 0:52:18 Unknown speaker Only the Dural and um Champion Green
  1159. 0:52:22 Unknown speaker Circle access
  1160. 0:52:24 Unknown speaker neighborhood meeting two. uh we reduced
  1161. 0:52:27 Unknown speaker from 57 to 43 units in this 12 to 25%
  1162. 0:52:30 Unknown speaker reduction. Still the access is coming
  1163. 0:52:33 Unknown speaker from Champion Greens only. The homes
  1164. 0:52:36 Unknown speaker have been moved over to the left or west
  1165. 0:52:38 Unknown speaker side and now the 26 foot um buffer is
  1166. 0:52:42 Unknown speaker shown landscape buffer is shown. This
  1167. 0:52:44 Unknown speaker helped increase the building distance
  1168. 0:52:47 Unknown speaker building to building distance to
  1169. 0:52:48 Unknown speaker approximately 100 ft from the existing
  1170. 0:52:51 Unknown speaker homes at Champion Greens to the new
  1171. 0:52:53 Unknown speaker homes proposed at uh St. rain
  1172. 0:52:57 Unknown speaker ch we had a neighborhood meeting four
  1173. 0:53:01 Unknown speaker before this the access to airport road
  1174. 0:53:04 Unknown speaker became possible with the help of uh
  1175. 0:53:06 Unknown speaker engineering with the city of longmont
  1176. 0:53:09 Unknown speaker and we introduced that oops sorry I can
  1177. 0:53:12 Unknown speaker go back by doing what
  1178. 0:53:16 Unknown speaker thanks I this is a different keypad for
  1179. 0:53:19 Unknown speaker me okay thanks excuse my jump there so
  1180. 0:53:24 Unknown speaker this plan had the 27 to 44 unit range
  1181. 0:53:27 Unknown speaker 6.1 to 9.9 to the acre really the lower
  1182. 0:53:30 Unknown speaker third of uh the 6 to8 that's allowed
  1183. 0:53:34 Unknown speaker under RMN it but the main thing is the
  1184. 0:53:37 Unknown speaker airport road access uh we maintain 100
  1185. 0:53:39 Unknown speaker foot building to building and the buffer
  1186. 0:53:41 Unknown speaker was enhanced
  1187. 0:53:43 Unknown speaker u this shows an analysis that I that we
  1188. 0:53:46 Unknown speaker did with um just to try to get a grip on
  1189. 0:53:49 Unknown speaker what's really going on here in terms of
  1190. 0:53:51 Unknown speaker overall residential units
  1191. 0:53:53 Unknown speaker uh with the snapshot We took there was
  1192. 0:53:56 Unknown speaker actually about six and a half dwelling
  1193. 0:53:57 Unknown speaker units per acre on at Champion Greens in
  1194. 0:54:00 Unknown speaker a particular location and that would
  1195. 0:54:02 Unknown speaker kind of fit into the bottom of the range
  1196. 0:54:04 Unknown speaker of our 6.1 to 9.9. The overall average
  1197. 0:54:08 Unknown speaker on Champion Greens is about 4.5. So a
  1198. 0:54:12 Unknown speaker quick quick look at the land use
  1199. 0:54:14 Unknown speaker analysis. The the bottom line I guess
  1200. 0:54:17 Unknown speaker for us is we've really tried to listen
  1201. 0:54:18 Unknown speaker to the community. We've tried to be
  1202. 0:54:20 Unknown speaker responsive where we can, and we've
  1203. 0:54:22 Unknown speaker complied with city and state criteria
  1204. 0:54:24 Unknown speaker for annexation, conform to Envision
  1205. 0:54:26 Unknown speaker Longmont.
  1206. 0:54:28 Unknown speaker Those things have allowed us to
  1207. 0:54:29 Unknown speaker introduce a diversified housing mix in
  1208. 0:54:31 Unknown speaker this part of the town. Uh, new home
  1209. 0:54:34 Unknown speaker design will be more sustainable, and
  1210. 0:54:37 Unknown speaker this will be a compact
  1211. 0:54:39 Unknown speaker uh, livable neighborhood along a major
  1212. 0:54:41 Unknown speaker route. Um, so I appreciate you hearing
  1213. 0:54:44 Unknown speaker my presentation. I request that you
  1214. 0:54:47 Unknown speaker approve this for annexation and I'm here
  1215. 0:54:51 Unknown speaker and available to answer any questions.
  1216. 0:54:53 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1217. 0:54:55 Unknown speaker Do we have any questions from council?
  1218. 0:54:58 Unknown speaker Council member Christ.
  1219. 0:55:00 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Mr.
  1220. 0:55:02 Unknown speaker Bestall.
  1221. 0:55:04 Unknown speaker These trees are a significant buffer u
  1222. 0:55:08 Unknown speaker for wind and noise I imagine from
  1223. 0:55:11 Unknown speaker airport road but um so how do you think
  1224. 0:55:15 Unknown speaker um the housing that you put in because
  1225. 0:55:18 Unknown speaker it's going to be close-knit and there
  1226. 0:55:19 Unknown speaker will be more landscaping do you think
  1227. 0:55:21 Unknown speaker that will reduce noise and um wind to
  1228. 0:55:24 Unknown speaker the neighborhood to the east?
  1229. 0:55:29 Unknown speaker Do you have an idea how that might
  1230. 0:55:30 Unknown speaker impact the Champion Green area? I I
  1231. 0:55:34 Unknown speaker really can't compare the trees that are
  1232. 0:55:36 Unknown speaker there now to what buildings like you're
  1233. 0:55:40 Unknown speaker saying along airport road is a little
  1234. 0:55:41 Unknown speaker bit it's a difficult certainly uh more
  1235. 0:55:44 Unknown speaker solid structures will will break noise
  1236. 0:55:46 Unknown speaker but but noise travels in wavelengths and
  1237. 0:55:49 Unknown speaker so it's it's something that would need
  1238. 0:55:50 Unknown speaker to be studied more carefully than for me
  1239. 0:55:52 Unknown speaker to answer just off the top. Um, I think
  1240. 0:55:55 Unknown speaker the big thing we're concerned about
  1241. 0:55:57 Unknown speaker right now is, uh, you know, we we try to
  1242. 0:56:00 Unknown speaker be responsive with dead branches and
  1243. 0:56:02 Unknown speaker trees falling and things like that, but
  1244. 0:56:04 Unknown speaker it's something that we need to we're
  1245. 0:56:05 Unknown speaker putting a plan together to move
  1246. 0:56:07 Unknown speaker expeditiously to if this is annexed to
  1247. 0:56:10 Unknown speaker get, you know, to get the rest of the
  1248. 0:56:12 Unknown speaker trees down that are that are a danger or
  1249. 0:56:14 Unknown speaker or a fire fuel.
  1250. 0:56:17 Unknown speaker Great. But it sounds like a more solid
  1251. 0:56:20 Unknown speaker structure is just going to be helpful
  1252. 0:56:22 Unknown speaker there in terms of having a whole string
  1253. 0:56:25 Unknown speaker of houses on that side and and they're
  1254. 0:56:28 Unknown speaker going to be slightly taller but not a
  1255. 0:56:30 Unknown speaker lot taller from what I understand.
  1256. 0:56:32 Unknown speaker No, I mean we're they'll be 35 ft or
  1257. 0:56:34 Unknown speaker less and I would think mostly less just
  1258. 0:56:37 Unknown speaker the way that we're building these days,
  1259. 0:56:39 Unknown speaker you know, and that that's kind of where
  1260. 0:56:40 Unknown speaker I ended up with this will be a safer
  1261. 0:56:42 Unknown speaker neighborhood both in you both in terms
  1262. 0:56:44 Unknown speaker of fire in terms of even wind.
  1263. 0:56:47 Unknown speaker I I really can't calculate noise very
  1264. 0:56:49 Unknown speaker easily.
  1265. 0:56:50 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah, I hear you since I've been
  1266. 0:56:53 Unknown speaker 37 years next to the train. I hear you.
  1267. 0:56:56 Unknown speaker Thank you so much for your presentation.
  1268. 0:57:00 Unknown speaker Council member Coloffer.
  1269. 0:57:04 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for the
  1270. 0:57:05 Unknown speaker presentation. Uh can you go back to the
  1271. 0:57:07 Unknown speaker last concept plan drawing that you have?
  1272. 0:57:10 Unknown speaker Um backspace.
  1273. 0:57:13 Unknown speaker Okay, thanks.
  1274. 0:57:14 Unknown speaker Yeah, that that's fine. Do you like this
  1275. 0:57:16 Unknown speaker one or what?
  1276. 0:57:16 Unknown speaker Sure. Yeah, that's fine. Where do you
  1277. 0:57:18 Unknown speaker anticipate the residents to park in the
  1278. 0:57:22 Unknown speaker uh the roadway is designed so it'll be
  1279. 0:57:24 Unknown speaker parallel parking on one side. They'll
  1280. 0:57:26 Unknown speaker have driveways that'll park two vehicles
  1281. 0:57:29 Unknown speaker because most of the product we're
  1282. 0:57:30 Unknown speaker looking at is two-car garages. So
  1283. 0:57:33 Unknown speaker there'll be two-car garage, two cars in
  1284. 0:57:36 Unknown speaker front, and then parallel parking on one
  1285. 0:57:38 Unknown speaker side of the street.
  1286. 0:57:39 Unknown speaker And then this is a forale product. Is
  1287. 0:57:41 Unknown speaker there going to be affordable onsite or
  1288. 0:57:43 Unknown speaker um no do the
  1289. 0:57:44 Unknown speaker foo our our intent right now is is
  1290. 0:57:47 Unknown speaker definitely for sale product but our
  1291. 0:57:49 Unknown speaker affordable we will take we'll take care
  1292. 0:57:52 Unknown speaker of offsite at Francis Street which is
  1293. 0:57:54 Unknown speaker the um you know the the project that
  1294. 0:57:58 Unknown speaker this council reviewed
  1295. 0:58:00 Unknown speaker um or we can we can put it there in that
  1296. 0:58:03 Unknown speaker area at Francis Street.
  1297. 0:58:06 Unknown speaker Got it. Thank you.
  1298. 0:58:09 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have any other questions
  1299. 0:58:11 Unknown speaker from council?
  1300. 0:58:15 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin.
  1301. 0:58:17 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, thank you, Mr.
  1302. 0:58:19 Unknown speaker Bostall. Um, just one clarification on
  1303. 0:58:21 Unknown speaker the types of housing. Um, my
  1304. 0:58:23 Unknown speaker understanding from reading this and I
  1305. 0:58:25 Unknown speaker think from your presentation, but I just
  1306. 0:58:26 Unknown speaker wanted to clarify because there's like
  1307. 0:58:27 Unknown speaker single family detached, single family
  1308. 0:58:29 Unknown speaker attached are both options here. Can you
  1309. 0:58:31 Unknown speaker just in plain language describe like
  1310. 0:58:33 Unknown speaker what do those units actually look like
  1311. 0:58:35 Unknown speaker to your team?
  1312. 0:58:38 Unknown speaker Um in terms of materials or
  1313. 0:58:41 Unknown speaker no in terms of like a single family
  1314. 0:58:44 Unknown speaker attached could be multiple potential
  1315. 0:58:46 Unknown speaker like what is a single family detached
  1316. 0:58:48 Unknown speaker those could be duplex they could be
  1317. 0:58:49 Unknown speaker triplex they could be town homes
  1318. 0:58:52 Unknown speaker u but we also saw a chance here to do
  1319. 0:58:54 Unknown speaker single family detached
  1320. 0:58:56 Unknown speaker uh depending on the footprint and uh so
  1321. 0:58:59 Unknown speaker we thought we'd try to take advantage of
  1322. 0:59:00 Unknown speaker that RM which is allowed on RMN
  1323. 0:59:03 Unknown speaker and that's why we asked for the range 27
  1324. 0:59:05 Unknown speaker to 44 I I think if if I had to bet now,
  1325. 0:59:09 Unknown speaker if we were to get into development 28 29
  1326. 0:59:12 Unknown speaker 20 28 29, you know, it would tend to be
  1327. 0:59:15 Unknown speaker more of of a combination of mixed
  1328. 0:59:18 Unknown speaker residential, you know, which would be
  1329. 0:59:21 Unknown speaker triplex and single family and and that
  1330. 0:59:24 Unknown speaker kind of a combination,
  1331. 0:59:25 Unknown speaker but we're it's too early to say.
  1332. 0:59:27 Unknown speaker Fair enough. Thank you.
  1333. 0:59:31 Unknown speaker So, do we have any other questions from
  1334. 0:59:34 Unknown speaker council? Nope. Okay.
  1335. 0:59:37 Unknown speaker So,
  1336. 0:59:40 Unknown speaker so I'm going to go ahead and open the
  1337. 0:59:42 Unknown speaker public hearing for resolution 2026-75
  1338. 0:59:48 Unknown speaker and ordinance 2026-69.
  1339. 0:59:52 Unknown speaker Um, and you will have three minutes to
  1340. 0:59:55 Unknown speaker speak. Tom Smith.
  1341. 1:00:06 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor, city council. My name
  1342. 1:00:09 Unknown speaker is Tom Smith. I live at 1049 Champion
  1343. 1:00:12 Unknown speaker Circle and our home abuts to the
  1344. 1:00:16 Unknown speaker property line immediately west and
  1345. 1:00:18 Unknown speaker adjoining. Uh you've heard me make
  1346. 1:00:22 Unknown speaker comments about the process and we could
  1347. 1:00:24 Unknown speaker touch on that at another time. But since
  1348. 1:00:27 Unknown speaker we started on this process, the function
  1349. 1:00:30 Unknown speaker and the feedback from our community has
  1350. 1:00:33 Unknown speaker been that we have an objective, if you
  1351. 1:00:35 Unknown speaker would, that the proposed annexation and
  1352. 1:00:37 Unknown speaker development needs to be minimized or we
  1353. 1:00:41 Unknown speaker need to minimize adverse impact on the
  1354. 1:00:44 Unknown speaker subdivision and residents. Some of you
  1355. 1:00:47 Unknown speaker are more familiar than others with the
  1356. 1:00:49 Unknown speaker residents in our our neighborhood. I
  1357. 1:00:51 Unknown speaker think one of my neighbors and thank you
  1358. 1:00:53 Unknown speaker there are a number here and who have
  1359. 1:00:55 Unknown speaker helped appreciate their attendance. The
  1360. 1:00:58 Unknown speaker u remaining homeowner priorities and
  1361. 1:01:02 Unknown speaker concerns include the drainage concerns
  1362. 1:01:06 Unknown speaker particularly addressing groundwater as
  1363. 1:01:08 Unknown speaker well as surface drainage. Mr. best all
  1364. 1:01:12 Unknown speaker indicated that would not be a situation
  1365. 1:01:15 Unknown speaker we should concern ourselves with I guess
  1366. 1:01:17 Unknown speaker but top soil disruption, slope change
  1367. 1:01:20 Unknown speaker and those types of things as well as
  1368. 1:01:23 Unknown speaker what you received about the perch
  1369. 1:01:25 Unknown speaker aquafares that inhabit our area and the
  1370. 1:01:30 Unknown speaker uh request about the inground permeable
  1371. 1:01:35 Unknown speaker barriers and pisometric wells. City is
  1372. 1:01:39 Unknown speaker familiar with those. Staff have provided
  1373. 1:01:42 Unknown speaker information about that. As regards to
  1374. 1:01:45 Unknown speaker traffic, uh the volume, the parking
  1375. 1:01:48 Unknown speaker proposed, uh the calming might be we did
  1376. 1:01:51 Unknown speaker get a commitment about redoing the
  1377. 1:01:54 Unknown speaker traffic study. Uh but traffic remains a
  1378. 1:01:57 Unknown speaker concern and I think 9inth Avenue
  1379. 1:02:00 Unknown speaker probably would be on a higher priority
  1380. 1:02:02 Unknown speaker for access and egress than ingress. So,
  1381. 1:02:06 Unknown speaker uh, would restate that, I guess.
  1382. 1:02:08 Unknown speaker Oops.
  1383. 1:02:09 Unknown speaker Your time's not up. You're good. Keep
  1384. 1:02:11 Unknown speaker going. There was the other. Yeah.
  1385. 1:02:13 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  1386. 1:02:14 Unknown speaker Okay. Mayor induced coronary.
  1387. 1:02:17 Unknown speaker Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. [laughter]
  1388. 1:02:19 Unknown speaker Wasn't on me.
  1389. 1:02:21 Unknown speaker The uh, as I mentioned a couple weeks
  1390. 1:02:24 Unknown speaker ago, questions on the how and the why
  1391. 1:02:26 Unknown speaker changing or subdivision zoning. No
  1392. 1:02:29 Unknown speaker homeowner is yet to receive information
  1393. 1:02:31 Unknown speaker that shows that the ninth edition of the
  1394. 1:02:35 Unknown speaker planners guide as well as the uh
  1395. 1:02:38 Unknown speaker commitments that are referenced or cross
  1396. 1:02:40 Unknown speaker referenced in Envision Longmont have
  1397. 1:02:42 Unknown speaker been met. The use of the outlet outlot
  1398. 1:02:46 Unknown speaker and changes uh needing approval from our
  1399. 1:02:50 Unknown speaker HOA have not yet happened. for example,
  1400. 1:02:54 Unknown speaker the landscaping or buffering, the
  1401. 1:02:56 Unknown speaker removal, the inclusion or the tail edge.
  1402. 1:03:00 Unknown speaker It looked on the map or the picture from
  1403. 1:03:02 Unknown speaker Mr. Bestl that the detention pond
  1404. 1:03:06 Unknown speaker has been uh relocated. So, I've got a
  1405. 1:03:09 Unknown speaker handout that has been given to the
  1406. 1:03:12 Unknown speaker mayor.
  1407. 1:03:13 Unknown speaker Yes.
  1408. 1:03:13 Unknown speaker And our ward, if you have questions, I'm
  1409. 1:03:16 Unknown speaker available anytime.
  1410. 1:03:18 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you.
  1411. 1:03:20 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, John Seard.
  1412. 1:03:23 Unknown speaker That's me.
  1413. 1:03:24 Unknown speaker Okay, [snorts] come on down.
  1414. 1:03:30 Unknown speaker My name is John Seard. I live at 954
  1415. 1:03:34 Unknown speaker Champion Circle. Uh, wife and I have
  1416. 1:03:37 Unknown speaker lived there, we moved in 12 years ago.
  1417. 1:03:40 Unknown speaker Wife died three years ago and I live
  1418. 1:03:42 Unknown speaker there alone now. and it's uh the
  1419. 1:03:46 Unknown speaker neighbors and the community have helped
  1420. 1:03:48 Unknown speaker me through these times and it's been
  1421. 1:03:50 Unknown speaker great. But I will address traffic and I
  1422. 1:03:53 Unknown speaker look at the uh Champion Greens has got
  1423. 1:03:56 Unknown speaker 80ome homes on 20ome acres. We have
  1424. 1:04:00 Unknown speaker probably about a 4 acre open space in
  1425. 1:04:03 Unknown speaker the middle.
  1426. 1:04:04 Unknown speaker um the new development they they're kind
  1427. 1:04:08 Unknown speaker of vague and everything. they but if
  1428. 1:04:10 Unknown speaker they go through with 40ome units in
  1429. 1:04:13 Unknown speaker there that's half of our population and
  1430. 1:04:16 Unknown speaker it's going to send if you open both of
  1431. 1:04:19 Unknown speaker those
  1432. 1:04:20 Unknown speaker points of to come into Champions Greens
  1433. 1:04:24 Unknown speaker that opens it to pedestrians as well as
  1434. 1:04:26 Unknown speaker traffic and that's going to be a a 50%
  1435. 1:04:30 Unknown speaker increase of pedestrian and traffic
  1436. 1:04:33 Unknown speaker through the community and those roads
  1437. 1:04:35 Unknown speaker were built as they're narrow small
  1438. 1:04:37 Unknown speaker community streets
  1439. 1:04:39 Unknown speaker Uh the zoning in that was to zone it
  1440. 1:04:42 Unknown speaker that way was I won't get into that but
  1441. 1:04:45 Unknown speaker the traffic
  1442. 1:04:47 Unknown speaker uh airport road was built with five
  1443. 1:04:49 Unknown speaker lanes of traffic. There's a center lane
  1444. 1:04:53 Unknown speaker in there which is put in to give egress
  1445. 1:04:56 Unknown speaker and exit and stuff to the various
  1446. 1:04:59 Unknown speaker properties on the side.
  1447. 1:05:02 Unknown speaker And why I don't know why they cannot use
  1448. 1:05:06 Unknown speaker open have all the traffic go out onto
  1449. 1:05:11 Unknown speaker and go into from Champion Green to um
  1450. 1:05:16 Unknown speaker Airport Road. They say there's a median
  1451. 1:05:18 Unknown speaker there which is in beautiful planter.
  1452. 1:05:20 Unknown speaker Hey, that could be removed and you could
  1453. 1:05:23 Unknown speaker have that use that fifth that open that
  1454. 1:05:26 Unknown speaker middle lane for giving egress and and
  1455. 1:05:30 Unknown speaker exit to uh do everything. And it would
  1456. 1:05:34 Unknown speaker by rooting all that traffic and the
  1457. 1:05:36 Unknown speaker pedestrians in through Champions Greens
  1458. 1:05:38 Unknown speaker is going to change the community
  1459. 1:05:40 Unknown speaker completely. And I have one suggestion to
  1460. 1:05:43 Unknown speaker you people. What I would like to see
  1461. 1:05:47 Unknown speaker Christmas is coming.
  1462. 1:05:51 Unknown speaker aband abandon those two e those two
  1463. 1:05:54 Unknown speaker rightaways that you have and keep
  1464. 1:05:57 Unknown speaker traffic and pedestrians out of Champion
  1465. 1:06:00 Unknown speaker Greens and give the deed to the Champion
  1466. 1:06:04 Unknown speaker Greens homeowners. It would be great
  1467. 1:06:06 Unknown speaker great Christmas present and also to you
  1468. 1:06:10 Unknown speaker people. We moved here with they said
  1469. 1:06:13 Unknown speaker that you people stood for the
  1470. 1:06:16 Unknown speaker residential areas and to keep and
  1471. 1:06:18 Unknown speaker maintain the integrity of the of the
  1472. 1:06:22 Unknown speaker areas of the neighborhoods and
  1473. 1:06:25 Unknown speaker everything and look what that would do
  1474. 1:06:27 Unknown speaker to your reputation too. Says look at
  1475. 1:06:29 Unknown speaker this.
  1476. 1:06:31 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1477. 1:06:32 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, Robert Woods.
  1478. 1:06:45 Unknown speaker [cough]
  1479. 1:06:55 Unknown speaker I don't like public speaking, so bear
  1480. 1:06:57 Unknown speaker with me. I want to thank you for your
  1481. 1:06:59 Unknown speaker time and for keeping an open mind. I
  1482. 1:07:02 Unknown speaker hope that before making your building
  1483. 1:07:03 Unknown speaker decisions, you take a moment to consider
  1484. 1:07:05 Unknown speaker the people who will be directly
  1485. 1:07:07 Unknown speaker affected.
  1486. 1:07:10 Unknown speaker Who are we? Our neighborhood is mostly
  1487. 1:07:13 Unknown speaker retirees with an average age in the late
  1488. 1:07:15 Unknown speaker 70s. Among us are retired teachers,
  1489. 1:07:18 Unknown speaker engineers, medical professionals, first
  1490. 1:07:20 Unknown speaker responders, military veterans, business
  1491. 1:07:23 Unknown speaker owners, mothers, fathers, grandfathers,
  1492. 1:07:26 Unknown speaker grandparents, great-grandparents.
  1493. 1:07:29 Unknown speaker These people spent their lives raising
  1494. 1:07:31 Unknown speaker families, serving this country, and
  1495. 1:07:34 Unknown speaker contributing to the greater Longmont
  1496. 1:07:36 Unknown speaker community.
  1497. 1:07:39 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  1498. 1:07:40 Unknown speaker Retirement hasn't slowed our
  1499. 1:07:42 Unknown speaker contribution in Longmont. Our residents
  1500. 1:07:44 Unknown speaker continue to volunteer in hospitals,
  1501. 1:07:46 Unknown speaker support families in need, work with
  1502. 1:07:48 Unknown speaker children, rescue animals, serve our
  1503. 1:07:50 Unknown speaker community boards and charitable organ
  1504. 1:07:53 Unknown speaker organizations throughout Longmont. For
  1505. 1:07:56 Unknown speaker many of us, Champions Greens is more
  1506. 1:07:58 Unknown speaker than just a place to live. It will be
  1507. 1:08:01 Unknown speaker our final home in our life journey.
  1508. 1:08:06 Unknown speaker [snorts] what we stand to lose. At a
  1509. 1:08:08 Unknown speaker time in our lives where we should be
  1510. 1:08:10 Unknown speaker celebrating our golden years, we find
  1511. 1:08:12 Unknown speaker ourselves worrying about the changes
  1512. 1:08:14 Unknown speaker coming to our neighborhood. The proposed
  1513. 1:08:16 Unknown speaker annexation raises concerns that go far
  1514. 1:08:19 Unknown speaker beyond adding a few more homes. We worry
  1515. 1:08:22 Unknown speaker about increased traffic through our
  1516. 1:08:23 Unknown speaker quiet streets that we walk, drainage and
  1517. 1:08:26 Unknown speaker groundwater problems that could threaten
  1518. 1:08:28 Unknown speaker our homes, and taller buildings that
  1519. 1:08:30 Unknown speaker could compromise our privacy. We worry
  1520. 1:08:33 Unknown speaker about higher home housing density,
  1521. 1:08:37 Unknown speaker increased noise, and changes to the
  1522. 1:08:39 Unknown speaker peaceful environment and neighborhood
  1523. 1:08:42 Unknown speaker character that makes Champion Green
  1524. 1:08:44 Unknown speaker important to us.
  1525. 1:08:46 Unknown speaker These aren't simply concerns about
  1526. 1:08:49 Unknown speaker property values or inconveniences.
  1527. 1:08:51 Unknown speaker This is about their neighborhood and the
  1528. 1:08:53 Unknown speaker community we built together. We are not
  1529. 1:08:56 Unknown speaker asking Longmont to choose between
  1530. 1:08:58 Unknown speaker existing and future residents. We are
  1531. 1:09:01 Unknown speaker asking the city to care about both.
  1532. 1:09:04 Unknown speaker Sometimes
  1533. 1:09:06 Unknown speaker math is simple. 88 is greater than 42.
  1534. 1:09:09 Unknown speaker 88 existing homes versus 42 proposed
  1535. 1:09:13 Unknown speaker homes. Growth should be growth should
  1536. 1:09:17 Unknown speaker add to a community, not diminish the
  1537. 1:09:19 Unknown speaker ones already here. Thank you for
  1538. 1:09:21 Unknown speaker considering the people who must live
  1539. 1:09:23 Unknown speaker with the decisions you make.
  1540. 1:09:28 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, no applause,
  1541. 1:09:30 Unknown speaker please.
  1542. 1:09:32 Unknown speaker Um, thank you. Uh, William Mauling.
  1543. 1:09:39 Unknown speaker Hi, William Ming. Um, live at 1068
  1544. 1:09:42 Unknown speaker Champion Circle. Can you put up a map of
  1545. 1:09:45 Unknown speaker um the property that shows
  1546. 1:09:48 Unknown speaker [clears throat] the streets?
  1547. 1:09:51 Unknown speaker Cool.
  1548. 1:09:54 Unknown speaker I have no idea.
  1549. 1:09:59 Unknown speaker I guess you can reset it.
  1550. 1:10:04 Unknown speaker Just reset it. No worries. Okay. Yeah,
  1551. 1:10:06 Unknown speaker we're going to go ahead and reset your
  1552. 1:10:07 Unknown speaker time.
  1553. 1:10:08 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1554. 1:10:09 Unknown speaker Uhhuh.
  1555. 1:10:10 Unknown speaker I was hoping to see the streets where
  1556. 1:10:11 Unknown speaker show you where I live.
  1557. 1:10:12 Unknown speaker Oh.
  1558. 1:10:13 Unknown speaker Um,
  1559. 1:10:14 Unknown speaker but that does it. That does it.
  1560. 1:10:15 Unknown speaker Is that okay?
  1561. 1:10:16 Unknown speaker Yeah, that works. If you do you guys see
  1562. 1:10:17 Unknown speaker that on your screens?
  1563. 1:10:18 Unknown speaker Yes.
  1564. 1:10:18 Unknown speaker Great. Again, 1068 Champion Circle. It's
  1565. 1:10:21 Unknown speaker at the corner of Dorell and Champion
  1566. 1:10:24 Unknown speaker Circle on that west side of the
  1567. 1:10:25 Unknown speaker property. Um and um so my corner is
  1568. 1:10:30 Unknown speaker going to get the brunt of the traffic
  1569. 1:10:32 Unknown speaker that comes out of the new development.
  1570. 1:10:34 Unknown speaker Um which the folks that come in and out
  1571. 1:10:36 Unknown speaker of Doral and onto the new prop onto the
  1572. 1:10:39 Unknown speaker new development and then back out or the
  1573. 1:10:41 Unknown speaker circle at the other end. Um I'm assuming
  1574. 1:10:44 Unknown speaker if people are going to cut through
  1575. 1:10:45 Unknown speaker Champion Greens, they're going to take a
  1576. 1:10:46 Unknown speaker right-hand turn there. Um and that's
  1577. 1:10:49 Unknown speaker going to get traffic back up and down
  1578. 1:10:50 Unknown speaker that whole street of that West Champion
  1579. 1:10:52 Unknown speaker Circle Street. I'd like to see a a sign
  1580. 1:10:55 Unknown speaker go up that says no right-hand turn um at
  1581. 1:10:57 Unknown speaker that circle so that it encourages
  1582. 1:11:00 Unknown speaker traffic to go straight east on Champion
  1583. 1:11:02 Unknown speaker Circle to go out on Iron Court over to
  1584. 1:11:04 Unknown speaker 9inth Street. Is that making sense? Am I
  1585. 1:11:08 Unknown speaker too confusing?
  1586. 1:11:10 Unknown speaker So anyways, I like to see a a no
  1587. 1:11:11 Unknown speaker right-hand turn on Champion on the
  1588. 1:11:13 Unknown speaker circle that would that keeps people from
  1589. 1:11:16 Unknown speaker going down parallel with the property to
  1590. 1:11:19 Unknown speaker come around the Doral and Champion
  1591. 1:11:21 Unknown speaker Circle corner which will take all the
  1592. 1:11:23 Unknown speaker all of the um traffic. [snorts] Um, and
  1593. 1:11:27 Unknown speaker then I like the idea of um if there's
  1594. 1:11:29 Unknown speaker any way that the gentleman said before
  1595. 1:11:31 Unknown speaker about if we could put uh the out on the
  1596. 1:11:34 Unknown speaker airport road uh deal with the medium,
  1597. 1:11:36 Unknown speaker you know, take that out. And I would
  1598. 1:11:38 Unknown speaker encourage putting a traffic light in
  1599. 1:11:40 Unknown speaker there. Um I don't know if you've ever uh
  1600. 1:11:43 Unknown speaker my neighbors would say, we hear people
  1601. 1:11:45 Unknown speaker race up and down Airport Road. Um it's a
  1602. 1:11:47 Unknown speaker it's an issue. You can kind of count
  1603. 1:11:49 Unknown speaker your clock by about 10 o'clock at night.
  1604. 1:11:51 Unknown speaker People are take a little race down that
  1605. 1:11:53 Unknown speaker road. um it would really slow traffic
  1606. 1:11:55 Unknown speaker down nicely. We like to bike up and down
  1607. 1:11:58 Unknown speaker that road on the sidewalk and it people
  1608. 1:12:00 Unknown speaker just fly up and down getting home after
  1609. 1:12:02 Unknown speaker work. So um if there's a way to mitigate
  1610. 1:12:05 Unknown speaker that, take that island out and put in a
  1611. 1:12:07 Unknown speaker traffic light, I think that'd be a
  1612. 1:12:08 Unknown speaker really safety issue for us. Um and
  1613. 1:12:12 Unknown speaker again, um a no right-hand turn on that
  1614. 1:12:15 Unknown speaker circle would be helpful for for my
  1615. 1:12:17 Unknown speaker house. [laughter]
  1616. 1:12:19 Unknown speaker All right. Thank you and thanks for all
  1617. 1:12:21 Unknown speaker you do. So, I can't imagine dealing with
  1618. 1:12:22 Unknown speaker all of you, but you do.
  1619. 1:12:24 Unknown speaker Thank [clears throat] you. Um, Ann
  1620. 1:12:26 Unknown speaker Marie, um, is it Murphy or Mercy?
  1621. 1:12:55 Unknown speaker I'm going to assume you can hear me. Um,
  1622. 1:12:58 Unknown speaker my name is Anna Marie Murthy. I live at
  1623. 1:13:01 Unknown speaker 3811 Doral Drive,
  1624. 1:13:05 Unknown speaker [clears throat] exactly three houses
  1625. 1:13:07 Unknown speaker away from the entrance at uh, Wood
  1626. 1:13:10 Unknown speaker Court. Uh my concern is as
  1627. 1:13:15 Unknown speaker uh it has been stated we are a
  1628. 1:13:17 Unknown speaker residential area. We are uh residents
  1629. 1:13:21 Unknown speaker most of us are retired. We uh enjoy our
  1630. 1:13:26 Unknown speaker community but we are concerned about the
  1631. 1:13:28 Unknown speaker traffic. Uh, one of the things that I
  1632. 1:13:31 Unknown speaker did want to say is not only the traffic
  1633. 1:13:36 Unknown speaker from onto airport, but uh, we have we
  1634. 1:13:40 Unknown speaker back 9th Avenue. And one of my big
  1635. 1:13:43 Unknown speaker concerns is there is a little bit of a
  1636. 1:13:48 Unknown speaker access
  1637. 1:13:50 Unknown speaker or or pulloff before you turn into iron
  1638. 1:13:53 Unknown speaker court. There is nothing like that. When
  1639. 1:13:57 Unknown speaker I'm coming down from Hover to an
  1640. 1:14:01 Unknown speaker approaching airport to make a right onto
  1641. 1:14:05 Unknown speaker Wood Court, I have to slow my car down.
  1642. 1:14:09 Unknown speaker It's a one lane. I'm watching the
  1643. 1:14:11 Unknown speaker traffic or the car behind me. He has no
  1644. 1:14:15 Unknown speaker idea, even though I have my signal on,
  1645. 1:14:18 Unknown speaker that you can't see the entrance to Wood
  1646. 1:14:21 Unknown speaker Court. And I'm afraid at some point I'm
  1647. 1:14:26 Unknown speaker going to get rearended because I'm
  1648. 1:14:28 Unknown speaker slowing down to less than 20 m an hour
  1649. 1:14:31 Unknown speaker to make that right turn. So that's one
  1650. 1:14:34 Unknown speaker of my concerns. My other thing is
  1651. 1:14:38 Unknown speaker will the development have any sort of
  1652. 1:14:42 Unknown speaker HOA to control and maintain their
  1653. 1:14:45 Unknown speaker property? And also uh there is the
  1654. 1:14:49 Unknown speaker danger of potential natural disasters
  1655. 1:14:53 Unknown speaker even though flooding is supposed to be
  1656. 1:14:55 Unknown speaker mitigated. Um there is a possibility of
  1657. 1:15:00 Unknown speaker fire of the uh dried overgrowth and
  1658. 1:15:04 Unknown speaker weeds along the railroad tracks. There
  1659. 1:15:07 Unknown speaker was a fire at one point and if it wasn't
  1660. 1:15:10 Unknown speaker for a neighbor who was in the backyard
  1661. 1:15:12 Unknown speaker and had a garden hose um to put out the
  1662. 1:15:16 Unknown speaker fence already went on fire. So that and
  1663. 1:15:20 Unknown speaker then we're talking about the center of
  1664. 1:15:22 Unknown speaker airport road. I want it considered that
  1665. 1:15:25 Unknown speaker we have a um major gas line that runs
  1666. 1:15:30 Unknown speaker down the center of airport road and if
  1667. 1:15:33 Unknown speaker there should ever be any
  1668. 1:15:36 Unknown speaker incident that with that gas line we're
  1669. 1:15:41 Unknown speaker going to have a very uh serious problem
  1670. 1:15:45 Unknown speaker and so an evacuation plan and we did uh
  1671. 1:15:51 Unknown speaker we've been uh in Champion grains for
  1672. 1:15:54 Unknown speaker over 25 years.
  1673. 1:15:57 Unknown speaker So good.
  1674. 1:15:58 Unknown speaker And we lived through the flood.
  1675. 1:16:01 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1676. 1:16:02 Unknown speaker Thank you, Carrie Spectre.
  1677. 1:16:16 Unknown speaker Good evening. Thank you.
  1678. 1:16:18 Unknown speaker Uh you've heard a little bit about the
  1679. 1:16:20 Unknown speaker uh drainage and groundwater issues in
  1680. 1:16:22 Unknown speaker the neighborhood and I just wanted to
  1681. 1:16:24 Unknown speaker share a little bit of my experience as a
  1682. 1:16:26 Unknown speaker homeowner at Champion Greens uh dealing
  1683. 1:16:28 Unknown speaker with the groundwater long-standing
  1684. 1:16:30 Unknown speaker groundwater uh issues. Uh our home is
  1685. 1:16:33 Unknown speaker one of the homes in Champion Greens
  1686. 1:16:35 Unknown speaker where the sump pump has run 24/7
  1687. 1:16:39 Unknown speaker whenever there's been any irrigation
  1688. 1:16:41 Unknown speaker activity on the property that's up for
  1689. 1:16:43 Unknown speaker development. Um, it used to actually be
  1690. 1:16:45 Unknown speaker our next door neighbor, um, whose sump
  1691. 1:16:48 Unknown speaker pump ran 24/7 and then after the flood
  1692. 1:16:50 Unknown speaker in 2013, something shifted underground
  1693. 1:16:53 Unknown speaker and their sump pump does not run now and
  1694. 1:16:55 Unknown speaker now it's ours uh, right next door. Uh,
  1695. 1:16:58 Unknown speaker we currently have an industrial-grade
  1696. 1:17:00 Unknown speaker sump pump in our basement because uh,
  1697. 1:17:03 Unknown speaker the previous one was not up to the task
  1698. 1:17:05 Unknown speaker of handling all the water. Um, and it
  1699. 1:17:08 Unknown speaker gave out in 2018. Our basement flooded
  1700. 1:17:11 Unknown speaker for the second time in five years.
  1701. 1:17:14 Unknown speaker um the volume of water is so tremendous
  1702. 1:17:17 Unknown speaker when it's running that um the discharge
  1703. 1:17:20 Unknown speaker pipe had to be rerouted to the street so
  1704. 1:17:23 Unknown speaker that the water could go out into the
  1705. 1:17:24 Unknown speaker street. And I just want to mention too
  1706. 1:17:26 Unknown speaker that the developer mentioned uh that the
  1707. 1:17:28 Unknown speaker drainage plan for runoff management is
  1708. 1:17:31 Unknown speaker based on the assumption that the uh the
  1709. 1:17:33 Unknown speaker water is flowing southwest, but I can
  1710. 1:17:36 Unknown speaker tell you from uh the the water that's
  1711. 1:17:39 Unknown speaker coming out of our discharge pipe that
  1712. 1:17:41 Unknown speaker that is going due east. um all the way
  1713. 1:17:43 Unknown speaker to the eastern end of the subdivision.
  1714. 1:17:46 Unknown speaker Um, I know one of my neighbors had uh
  1715. 1:17:48 Unknown speaker reached out to the state geological
  1716. 1:17:50 Unknown speaker survey with some questions and might
  1717. 1:17:52 Unknown speaker have forwarded that correspondence to
  1718. 1:17:53 Unknown speaker you, but he had corresponded with the um
  1719. 1:17:56 Unknown speaker deputy director of that survey and she
  1720. 1:17:59 Unknown speaker reported that they often receive
  1721. 1:18:00 Unknown speaker complaints after new development about
  1722. 1:18:04 Unknown speaker um increased, you know, overactive sump
  1723. 1:18:08 Unknown speaker pumps, uh wet basement,
  1724. 1:18:11 Unknown speaker inquiries about sink holes. Um, as you
  1725. 1:18:15 Unknown speaker saw from Kristen's photographs, that
  1726. 1:18:17 Unknown speaker that property is covered with trees, 575
  1727. 1:18:20 Unknown speaker I think Jack said. Um, and those most of
  1728. 1:18:23 Unknown speaker those will have to be removed for the uh
  1729. 1:18:25 Unknown speaker for the development and that obviously
  1730. 1:18:27 Unknown speaker has consequences on groundwater. Those
  1731. 1:18:29 Unknown speaker are very deeply rooted trees. Um,
  1732. 1:18:33 Unknown speaker building all the building obviously uh
  1733. 1:18:35 Unknown speaker roads, foundations, pavements that all
  1734. 1:18:38 Unknown speaker affects the groundwater. So, I just want
  1735. 1:18:39 Unknown speaker to I know I'm running out of time, but I
  1736. 1:18:42 Unknown speaker just wanted to ask you uh in terms of
  1737. 1:18:44 Unknown speaker conditions on the uh on the development
  1738. 1:18:46 Unknown speaker to require at the very least to require
  1739. 1:18:49 Unknown speaker a very thorough um independent analysis
  1740. 1:18:53 Unknown speaker of what's happening underground in this
  1741. 1:18:55 Unknown speaker area to better understand how this
  1742. 1:18:57 Unknown speaker development might affect that and also
  1743. 1:19:00 Unknown speaker please consider whether uh this proposed
  1744. 1:19:03 Unknown speaker development is worth that risk. Thank
  1745. 1:19:05 Unknown speaker you so much for your time and all your
  1746. 1:19:07 Unknown speaker work for the city. Thank you. Thank you.
  1747. 1:19:10 Unknown speaker So, there is no one else on this list.
  1748. 1:19:12 Unknown speaker Please, um, let's maintain orderly
  1749. 1:19:14 Unknown speaker function of our meeting. Um, there's no
  1750. 1:19:17 Unknown speaker one else on the list. Is there anyone in
  1751. 1:19:19 Unknown speaker the public who would like to speak on
  1752. 1:19:20 Unknown speaker this item? Come on down and then just
  1753. 1:19:23 Unknown speaker state your name when you get to the
  1754. 1:19:24 Unknown speaker podium, please.
  1755. 1:19:33 Unknown speaker Good evening. My name is Mary Hendricks
  1756. 1:19:35 Unknown speaker and I'm a resident of Champion Greens at
  1757. 1:19:37 Unknown speaker 1064 Champion Circle. Um, I think it's
  1758. 1:19:41 Unknown speaker important for you all to know that of
  1759. 1:19:42 Unknown speaker our 88 houses, how many of us are here
  1760. 1:19:45 Unknown speaker from Champion Greens tonight?
  1761. 1:19:46 Unknown speaker Raise your hand. Yeah.
  1762. 1:19:48 Unknown speaker And I'd like you to re We're senior
  1763. 1:19:50 Unknown speaker citizens, folks. We're in bed by eight.
  1764. 1:19:53 Unknown speaker So, this is a huge turnout for I'm
  1765. 1:19:55 Unknown speaker sorry, we are, you know, but this is a
  1766. 1:19:57 Unknown speaker huge turnout. So, it's very important to
  1767. 1:19:59 Unknown speaker us. We will argue and I have argued that
  1768. 1:20:02 Unknown speaker we are the um community that was changed
  1769. 1:20:05 Unknown speaker to multiple um what do you call it
  1770. 1:20:08 Unknown speaker multiple residential albeit we are 88
  1771. 1:20:11 Unknown speaker single families and we have been since
  1772. 1:20:13 Unknown speaker our incorporation. If you look at the
  1773. 1:20:15 Unknown speaker zoning map we are a corner surrounded by
  1774. 1:20:19 Unknown speaker single families and a golf course. So
  1775. 1:20:22 Unknown speaker what we're fundamentally doing is taking
  1776. 1:20:24 Unknown speaker four acres. It's going to be
  1777. 1:20:26 Unknown speaker multifamily.
  1778. 1:20:28 Unknown speaker We've talked about um coffee shops and
  1779. 1:20:31 Unknown speaker all those wonder things. Oh my god,
  1780. 1:20:34 Unknown speaker that's not going to fit there. I can
  1781. 1:20:35 Unknown speaker guarantee that. But I think with the
  1782. 1:20:37 Unknown speaker most important thing and and we've
  1783. 1:20:38 Unknown speaker referenced it to a couple times tonight
  1784. 1:20:40 Unknown speaker is continuity. I'm a member of NGLA and
  1785. 1:20:43 Unknown speaker we talk about continuity amongst our
  1786. 1:20:45 Unknown speaker communities. Look at our homes and look
  1787. 1:20:48 Unknown speaker at what he's proposed. And across the
  1788. 1:20:50 Unknown speaker street, what these people are going to
  1789. 1:20:52 Unknown speaker be looking at from continuity
  1790. 1:20:54 Unknown speaker is a farm. That's the property Zwex that
  1791. 1:20:57 Unknown speaker goes all the way out. You can go past
  1792. 1:20:59 Unknown speaker Pella and you go out towards Lions. And
  1793. 1:21:02 Unknown speaker that's not continuity, folks. That's our
  1794. 1:21:05 Unknown speaker homes. That's these group of homes. And
  1795. 1:21:09 Unknown speaker then there's farm. And again, we're the
  1796. 1:21:13 Unknown speaker senior generation. We're vulnerable.
  1797. 1:21:15 Unknown speaker We're not We're not going to get jobs.
  1798. 1:21:17 Unknown speaker We're not going to make more money. This
  1799. 1:21:19 Unknown speaker is our lives that you're impacting for a
  1800. 1:21:23 Unknown speaker potential 44 homes and I really ask you
  1801. 1:21:27 Unknown speaker not to. I can't ask anything else other
  1802. 1:21:30 Unknown speaker than beg for it.
  1803. 1:21:33 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1804. 1:21:34 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um do we have anyone else in
  1805. 1:21:36 Unknown speaker the audience? Okay. See Oh yeah. So if
  1806. 1:21:39 Unknown speaker you can make your way forward. I see two
  1807. 1:21:41 Unknown speaker hands that went up.
  1808. 1:21:49 Unknown speaker Yeah, my name is Jeff Woodward. I live
  1809. 1:21:50 Unknown speaker at uh 1057 Champion Circle and uh
  1810. 1:21:54 Unknown speaker Champion Greens. A couple of points of
  1811. 1:21:57 Unknown speaker fact. Uh when the um
  1812. 1:22:01 Unknown speaker um nest was shown for the eagles and the
  1813. 1:22:06 Unknown speaker osprey, they didn't even pick the one up
  1814. 1:22:09 Unknown speaker that's right on the golf course that is
  1815. 1:22:11 Unknown speaker right next to Champion Greens. The other
  1816. 1:22:14 Unknown speaker thing is
  1817. 1:22:16 Unknown speaker uh I have a PBLE's mouse that was found
  1818. 1:22:19 Unknown speaker on my patio and I have sent it over to a
  1819. 1:22:22 Unknown speaker People's Mouse expert. She's asked me to
  1820. 1:22:25 Unknown speaker preserve it for a museum
  1821. 1:22:28 Unknown speaker and she's doing some analysis on it now.
  1822. 1:22:31 Unknown speaker I believe it is a I don't know if it's a
  1823. 1:22:35 Unknown speaker nesting area, but if you go on to the
  1824. 1:22:38 Unknown speaker site that shows where the people's mouse
  1825. 1:22:41 Unknown speaker habitat is and then it's area of
  1826. 1:22:43 Unknown speaker interest,
  1827. 1:22:44 Unknown speaker we are right next to it. It's no
  1828. 1:22:47 Unknown speaker surprise that one showed up there. Uh
  1829. 1:22:50 Unknown speaker for flood plane stuff, I worked for FEMA
  1830. 1:22:52 Unknown speaker for 15 years. I'm a flood insurance
  1831. 1:22:54 Unknown speaker expert. I studied flood insurance uh
  1832. 1:22:58 Unknown speaker studies flood uh so
  1833. 1:23:02 Unknown speaker FEMA did a project out at Pella Crossing
  1834. 1:23:04 Unknown speaker when it was flooded took out all the
  1835. 1:23:07 Unknown speaker sand and stuff that had and silt that
  1836. 1:23:09 Unknown speaker had filled those ponds up. It's all
  1837. 1:23:12 Unknown speaker silted back again. I got that from
  1838. 1:23:15 Unknown speaker somebody from the Longmont Water
  1839. 1:23:16 Unknown speaker Department.
  1840. 1:23:18 Unknown speaker So that's not going to work. What's
  1841. 1:23:20 Unknown speaker going to happen is the same rain, if it
  1842. 1:23:23 Unknown speaker does divert the water to the same brain,
  1843. 1:23:24 Unknown speaker the same brain is going to be higher
  1844. 1:23:26 Unknown speaker than it was in the last time it flooded.
  1845. 1:23:29 Unknown speaker Um the other one other thing was the
  1846. 1:23:33 Unknown speaker what is referred to as the outlot. I
  1847. 1:23:37 Unknown speaker believe that is actually part of in the
  1848. 1:23:40 Unknown speaker city of Longmont right now. And as such,
  1849. 1:23:43 Unknown speaker those trees should be maintained
  1850. 1:23:45 Unknown speaker according to your guidelines for trees
  1851. 1:23:48 Unknown speaker that are a danger. There are several
  1852. 1:23:51 Unknown speaker trees there that have uh widow makers
  1853. 1:23:53 Unknown speaker hanging in them. A lot of them came down
  1854. 1:23:55 Unknown speaker in the May uh snowstorm we had. Uh so I
  1855. 1:23:59 Unknown speaker don't think that the owner has really
  1856. 1:24:00 Unknown speaker paid a lot of attention to what really
  1857. 1:24:03 Unknown speaker is a danger. one of our uh homeowners,
  1858. 1:24:06 Unknown speaker their daughter was out cleaning uh some
  1859. 1:24:09 Unknown speaker of the debris away from that uh
  1860. 1:24:11 Unknown speaker snowstorm and one of those limbs came
  1861. 1:24:13 Unknown speaker down and almost impaled her. So, I think
  1862. 1:24:17 Unknown speaker there's some real missing pieces here.
  1863. 1:24:20 Unknown speaker And the other thing is what back to what
  1864. 1:24:22 Unknown speaker Mary was saying. If you pull up that
  1865. 1:24:25 Unknown speaker zoning
  1866. 1:24:27 Unknown speaker thing, you will see if you actually put
  1867. 1:24:30 Unknown speaker uh Champion Greens as the single family,
  1868. 1:24:33 Unknown speaker you'll see that whole area. There's
  1869. 1:24:35 Unknown speaker there's thousands of single family homes
  1870. 1:24:37 Unknown speaker around this area. This is one little
  1871. 1:24:39 Unknown speaker section that is we're trying to put into
  1872. 1:24:43 Unknown speaker multiple units and it just really
  1873. 1:24:46 Unknown speaker doesn't fit. You can't transition to
  1874. 1:24:47 Unknown speaker anything because across the street is uh
  1875. 1:24:50 Unknown speaker open space.
  1876. 1:24:51 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, I saw was it
  1877. 1:24:55 Unknown speaker one or two people to to Okay.
  1878. 1:24:59 Unknown speaker Just state your name.
  1879. 1:25:00 Unknown speaker Hi. Um my name is Darcy Louie and I live
  1880. 1:25:03 Unknown speaker in um the Greens neighborhood. So, just
  1881. 1:25:05 Unknown speaker on the other side of the tracks. Um, and
  1882. 1:25:08 Unknown speaker I feel like our neighborhood really got
  1883. 1:25:09 Unknown speaker to know the um other neighborhood, the
  1884. 1:25:13 Unknown speaker Champion Greens um neighborhood during
  1885. 1:25:15 Unknown speaker the flood when we came came together.
  1886. 1:25:17 Unknown speaker Um,
  1887. 1:25:19 Unknown speaker you know, the railroad tracks were
  1888. 1:25:20 Unknown speaker destroyed, fences destroyed and all
  1889. 1:25:22 Unknown speaker that. And I really got to see what this
  1890. 1:25:24 Unknown speaker neighborhood was all about and what a
  1891. 1:25:26 Unknown speaker community, a tight-knit community. um
  1892. 1:25:28 Unknown speaker they invited us to um an event that they
  1893. 1:25:30 Unknown speaker had at their park. And so my concerns
  1894. 1:25:34 Unknown speaker are, you know, for our neighborhood as
  1895. 1:25:36 Unknown speaker well with the the land. Um what people
  1896. 1:25:39 Unknown speaker were talking about with the flood, it is
  1897. 1:25:40 Unknown speaker in a flood zone. Um we have people in
  1898. 1:25:44 Unknown speaker our neighborhood that also have to um
  1899. 1:25:48 Unknown speaker um some pump water out of their homes.
  1900. 1:25:50 Unknown speaker There's a few in the neighborhood that
  1901. 1:25:51 Unknown speaker still have to do that. And um and I
  1902. 1:25:53 Unknown speaker remember years ago when I was part of
  1903. 1:25:55 Unknown speaker NGLA that I had to research the
  1904. 1:25:58 Unknown speaker neighborhood um so I could write a blurb
  1905. 1:26:00 Unknown speaker about it and it showed that it was in a
  1906. 1:26:03 Unknown speaker blood zone and then all of a sudden it
  1907. 1:26:05 Unknown speaker was rubber stamped and it wasn't. So I'm
  1908. 1:26:06 Unknown speaker not really sure what happened with that
  1909. 1:26:08 Unknown speaker but I just do feel like it's an issue
  1910. 1:26:10 Unknown speaker still as well. Um and so
  1911. 1:26:14 Unknown speaker I just feel that um there are also you
  1912. 1:26:18 Unknown speaker know he's saying between 27 and 44 homes
  1913. 1:26:20 Unknown speaker that's a big difference. I mean, think
  1914. 1:26:22 Unknown speaker about it. I'm a teacher. Like, if they
  1915. 1:26:23 Unknown speaker said I was going to have 27 kids in my
  1916. 1:26:25 Unknown speaker class and then all of a sudden I had 44,
  1917. 1:26:27 Unknown speaker that's a big difference. And then, you
  1918. 1:26:29 Unknown speaker know, and me saying, "Oh, it could be
  1919. 1:26:31 Unknown speaker single you or, you know, single story.
  1920. 1:26:33 Unknown speaker It could be town homes." Well, that's
  1921. 1:26:35 Unknown speaker saying like I'm going to have all of one
  1922. 1:26:37 Unknown speaker demographic in my class and now I have
  1923. 1:26:40 Unknown speaker four different demographics in my class.
  1924. 1:26:42 Unknown speaker So, I just feel like it there needs to
  1925. 1:26:44 Unknown speaker be a little bit more transparency of
  1926. 1:26:46 Unknown speaker exactly what's going to go in there. I
  1927. 1:26:48 Unknown speaker think um both neighborhoods are in
  1928. 1:26:50 Unknown speaker agreement that you know it's fine that
  1929. 1:26:52 Unknown speaker something goes there but it's something
  1930. 1:26:54 Unknown speaker that needs to fit with the neighborhood
  1931. 1:26:56 Unknown speaker and the people that already live there
  1932. 1:26:58 Unknown speaker and you know maybe single family homes
  1933. 1:27:00 Unknown speaker might be a better fit. Um I feel like
  1934. 1:27:03 Unknown speaker we've had enough town homes, apartments,
  1935. 1:27:05 Unknown speaker all of those kinds of housing going up
  1936. 1:27:07 Unknown speaker and what we really need is more
  1937. 1:27:08 Unknown speaker affordable single family homes. Thank
  1938. 1:27:11 Unknown speaker you.
  1939. 1:27:12 Unknown speaker Thank you. Okay. Go a go ahead.
  1940. 1:27:18 Unknown speaker Hi, I'm Lori Edson. I also live in the
  1941. 1:27:22 Unknown speaker Greens uh on the south end. We back up
  1942. 1:27:25 Unknown speaker to the railroad tracks and partially to
  1943. 1:27:29 Unknown speaker Champion Greens. Um I wholeheartedly
  1944. 1:27:32 Unknown speaker agree with Darcy. We've lived in that
  1945. 1:27:35 Unknown speaker neighborhood for 38 years and we chose
  1946. 1:27:39 Unknown speaker that neighborhood because of the open
  1947. 1:27:41 Unknown speaker space around it um on the golf course
  1948. 1:27:45 Unknown speaker and then I mean Champion Greens came in
  1949. 1:27:47 Unknown speaker but [laughter] they are they're
  1950. 1:27:49 Unknown speaker wonderful neighbors and we still have
  1951. 1:27:51 Unknown speaker open areas in between. Um, so I just and
  1952. 1:27:57 Unknown speaker as far as the dividers there on Airport
  1953. 1:28:01 Unknown speaker Road, I thought they were put there as
  1954. 1:28:03 Unknown speaker kind of a flood
  1955. 1:28:05 Unknown speaker deterrent, but I'm not sure about that
  1956. 1:28:08 Unknown speaker either and I don't know that that would
  1957. 1:28:09 Unknown speaker help any in this like in the
  1958. 1:28:12 Unknown speaker circumstance of our last flood. Um,
  1959. 1:28:15 Unknown speaker but I understand all of their concerns
  1960. 1:28:17 Unknown speaker and ours as well. uh we back up to the
  1961. 1:28:20 Unknown speaker track so we actually have a pretty good
  1962. 1:28:22 Unknown speaker view and I don't know yeah it's quite a
  1963. 1:28:26 Unknown speaker variation of housing that he put in
  1964. 1:28:29 Unknown speaker there um because we've got a pretty open
  1965. 1:28:32 Unknown speaker view now and if there's a you know
  1966. 1:28:34 Unknown speaker multi-level
  1967. 1:28:36 Unknown speaker units being put in there um number one
  1968. 1:28:40 Unknown speaker we'd lose our view and number two we
  1969. 1:28:42 Unknown speaker would have people looking over into our
  1970. 1:28:45 Unknown speaker backyard which is why not why we
  1971. 1:28:48 Unknown speaker purchased just that lot. So that's kind
  1972. 1:28:51 Unknown speaker of a big concern to us. But um so yeah,
  1973. 1:28:55 Unknown speaker it is a big would like to get some more
  1974. 1:28:58 Unknown speaker definition on what kind of units and how
  1975. 1:29:01 Unknown speaker big and how that's going in there. So
  1976. 1:29:04 Unknown speaker thank you.
  1977. 1:29:05 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you.
  1978. 1:29:08 Unknown speaker And are we done with any slides? I was
  1979. 1:29:10 Unknown speaker just going to switch my screen.
  1980. 1:29:14 Unknown speaker Okay. So um thank you. I will now close
  1981. 1:29:18 Unknown speaker um the public hearing. And so I'm
  1982. 1:29:23 Unknown speaker splitting this out into two. So one is
  1983. 1:29:25 Unknown speaker for the res resolution 2026-75.
  1984. 1:29:29 Unknown speaker And this is a resolution finding a
  1985. 1:29:31 Unknown speaker parcel of land known as the 8513 St.
  1986. 1:29:36 Unknown speaker Rain Road annexation generally located
  1987. 1:29:38 Unknown speaker east of Airport Road and north of 9th
  1988. 1:29:40 Unknown speaker Avenue within the southeast quarter of
  1989. 1:29:43 Unknown speaker section 31 township 3 north range 69
  1990. 1:29:47 Unknown speaker west in case anyone was wanting clarifi
  1991. 1:29:50 Unknown speaker clarification um that it is eligible for
  1992. 1:29:54 Unknown speaker annexation.
  1993. 1:29:56 Unknown speaker So do I have a motion to approve or yes
  1994. 1:30:00 Unknown speaker council member Marcen.
  1995. 1:30:02 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. In the spirit of moving
  1996. 1:30:03 Unknown speaker to the main annexation ocean motion
  1997. 1:30:05 Unknown speaker fairly quickly, I move resolution
  1998. 1:30:07 Unknown speaker 202675.
  1999. 1:30:09 Unknown speaker Okay. And do I have a second?
  2000. 1:30:12 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion to um adopt the
  2001. 1:30:14 Unknown speaker resolution 2026-75
  2002. 1:30:16 Unknown speaker and that is just stating that we agree
  2003. 1:30:19 Unknown speaker that it is eligible for annexation. Um
  2004. 1:30:23 Unknown speaker and I believe it was
  2005. 1:30:25 Unknown speaker um rather I lost that smart. Um so with
  2006. 1:30:30 Unknown speaker the provisions of the municipal
  2007. 1:30:31 Unknown speaker annexation act of 1965.
  2008. 1:30:34 Unknown speaker So um the motion was made by council
  2009. 1:30:36 Unknown speaker member Marcen seconded by council member
  2010. 1:30:39 Unknown speaker Popkin. Um do we have any comments on
  2011. 1:30:42 Unknown speaker this part? Coun um mayor prom.
  2012. 1:30:45 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. Um I'll time myself
  2013. 1:30:48 Unknown speaker here. Um [laughter]
  2014. 1:30:50 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  2015. 1:30:51 Unknown speaker I don't really think that this is
  2016. 1:30:54 Unknown speaker necessarily ready for prime time. I
  2017. 1:30:56 Unknown speaker think there's better uses of of this. I
  2018. 1:30:58 Unknown speaker think we can do a better job. I think
  2019. 1:31:01 Unknown speaker that uh it just doesn't quite meet what
  2020. 1:31:04 Unknown speaker we're looking for. I mean, there's so
  2021. 1:31:05 Unknown speaker many questions about high threat
  2022. 1:31:07 Unknown speaker expectations and other things like that,
  2023. 1:31:10 Unknown speaker entrances into the property, exes from
  2024. 1:31:13 Unknown speaker the property, and even just what would
  2025. 1:31:15 Unknown speaker be best for uh the two uh adjoining
  2026. 1:31:19 Unknown speaker communities uh of uh the Greens.
  2027. 1:31:22 Unknown speaker I'm sorry. So this one I'm wondering if
  2028. 1:31:25 Unknown speaker that is best suited for the next the
  2029. 1:31:28 Unknown speaker ordinance and this is just for the
  2030. 1:31:29 Unknown speaker eligibility for the annexation
  2031. 1:31:31 Unknown speaker piece. I'm not in support.
  2032. 1:31:32 Unknown speaker Okay, sounds good. Thank you.
  2033. 1:31:35 Unknown speaker Okay, see no one else in the queue.
  2034. 1:31:37 Unknown speaker Let's go ahead and vote.
  2035. 1:31:46 Unknown speaker Okay, and that carries six to one with
  2036. 1:31:48 Unknown speaker uh Mayor Prom McCoy in opposition. And
  2037. 1:31:52 Unknown speaker now we are on to the
  2038. 1:31:54 Unknown speaker um
  2039. 1:31:57 Unknown speaker the ordinance 2026-69,
  2040. 1:31:59 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance conditionally
  2041. 1:32:01 Unknown speaker approving the 8 8513
  2042. 1:32:04 Unknown speaker St. Vin Road annexation and concept plan
  2043. 1:32:07 Unknown speaker and zoning um the property residential
  2044. 1:32:10 Unknown speaker mixeduse neighborhood RMN. Um do we have
  2045. 1:32:15 Unknown speaker a motion or I know that there were some
  2046. 1:32:19 Unknown speaker amendments coming through. So, I believe
  2047. 1:32:22 Unknown speaker this would be the time. So, Council
  2048. 1:32:24 Unknown speaker Member Coloffer.
  2049. 1:32:25 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. After speaking with
  2050. 1:32:26 Unknown speaker staff, I'd like to amend both the
  2051. 1:32:28 Unknown speaker conditions that I had before um to make
  2052. 1:32:30 Unknown speaker sure that they they align properly with
  2053. 1:32:32 Unknown speaker what staff can do. Um so, the first uh
  2054. 1:32:34 Unknown speaker motion uh I'm going to amend condition
  2055. 1:32:37 Unknown speaker one. So, I move to amend condition one
  2056. 1:32:39 Unknown speaker by striking the existing traffic
  2057. 1:32:41 Unknown speaker condition in its entirety and replacing
  2058. 1:32:43 Unknown speaker it with the following. Future
  2059. 1:32:45 Unknown speaker development of the property shall
  2060. 1:32:46 Unknown speaker implement traffic.
  2061. 1:32:49 Unknown speaker Sorry.
  2062. 1:32:50 Unknown speaker implement traffic calming measures to
  2063. 1:32:52 Unknown speaker the maximum extent feasible and as
  2064. 1:32:54 Unknown speaker approved by the development review
  2065. 1:32:55 Unknown speaker committee to reduce pass pass through
  2066. 1:32:58 Unknown speaker vehicular speeds into Champion Green
  2067. 1:33:00 Unknown speaker subdivision.
  2068. 1:33:01 Unknown speaker Second.
  2069. 1:33:04 Unknown speaker Okay. And so the um motion was made by
  2070. 1:33:07 Unknown speaker council member Coloffer to amend
  2071. 1:33:09 Unknown speaker condition one um by striking the
  2072. 1:33:11 Unknown speaker existing and does this show up on the
  2073. 1:33:12 Unknown speaker screen or should I I should probably
  2074. 1:33:14 Unknown speaker read it for the
  2075. 1:33:15 Unknown speaker Okay. So to amend condition one by
  2076. 1:33:18 Unknown speaker striking the existing traffic condition
  2077. 1:33:20 Unknown speaker in its entirety and replacing it with
  2078. 1:33:22 Unknown speaker the following. Um future development of
  2079. 1:33:26 Unknown speaker the property shall implement traffic
  2080. 1:33:28 Unknown speaker calming measures to the maximum extent
  2081. 1:33:30 Unknown speaker feasible and as approved by the
  2082. 1:33:33 Unknown speaker development review committee to reduce
  2083. 1:33:36 Unknown speaker pass through vehicular speeds into
  2084. 1:33:38 Unknown speaker Champion Circle or Champion Green
  2085. 1:33:40 Unknown speaker subdivision. And the um motion was
  2086. 1:33:43 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Marcen.
  2087. 1:33:46 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin.
  2088. 1:33:48 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. I just had a
  2089. 1:33:50 Unknown speaker clarifying question for council member
  2090. 1:33:52 Unknown speaker Koffer on this. Um the particular like
  2091. 1:33:56 Unknown speaker infrastructure speed reducing strategies
  2092. 1:33:59 Unknown speaker here are not specifically listed. And I
  2093. 1:34:01 Unknown speaker I just wanted to clarify if that was
  2094. 1:34:02 Unknown speaker your intention to leave it flexible for
  2095. 1:34:05 Unknown speaker staff to work through that process once
  2096. 1:34:07 Unknown speaker the types of units are kind of known and
  2097. 1:34:09 Unknown speaker kind of once the final layout is known.
  2098. 1:34:10 Unknown speaker Is that is [clears throat] that your
  2099. 1:34:11 Unknown speaker intent?
  2100. 1:34:19 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Popkin. Yes.
  2101. 1:34:21 Unknown speaker Um that is my intent and also we heard
  2102. 1:34:22 Unknown speaker from some residents about, you know, uh
  2103. 1:34:24 Unknown speaker different strategies that they'd like to
  2104. 1:34:26 Unknown speaker see put in place. [clears throat] And I
  2105. 1:34:28 Unknown speaker think it behooves us to see what the
  2106. 1:34:30 Unknown speaker final design is before we start coming
  2107. 1:34:33 Unknown speaker up with solutions the transportation
  2108. 1:34:35 Unknown speaker department um sees appropriate because
  2109. 1:34:37 Unknown speaker if we start doing solutions now and we
  2110. 1:34:39 Unknown speaker don't know what the final design looks
  2111. 1:34:40 Unknown speaker like it might not make sense. Sure.
  2112. 1:34:42 Unknown speaker Um so it would be
  2113. 1:34:44 Unknown speaker important for us to know what we're
  2114. 1:34:46 Unknown speaker dealing with how many units and then
  2115. 1:34:48 Unknown speaker coming up with the appropriate
  2116. 1:34:49 Unknown speaker solutions.
  2117. 1:34:50 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  2118. 1:34:53 Unknown speaker Okay. Um do we have any Nope. Okay. So,
  2119. 1:34:57 Unknown speaker let's go ahead and vote on this
  2120. 1:34:59 Unknown speaker amendment.
  2121. 1:35:03 Unknown speaker See no one in the queue.
  2122. 1:35:08 Unknown speaker And that carries unanimously.
  2123. 1:35:11 Unknown speaker Okay. And so, do we have another
  2124. 1:35:12 Unknown speaker amendment? Council member Koffer.
  2125. 1:35:16 Unknown speaker Yes. And then I move to amend condition
  2126. 1:35:18 Unknown speaker two by striking the existing fire
  2127. 1:35:20 Unknown speaker mitigation condition in its entirety and
  2128. 1:35:22 Unknown speaker replacing it with the following. The
  2129. 1:35:24 Unknown speaker property owner shall submit a fire
  2130. 1:35:25 Unknown speaker mitigation and vegetation management
  2131. 1:35:27 Unknown speaker plan by March 1st, 2027 in coordination
  2132. 1:35:30 Unknown speaker with the city fire, forestry, and code
  2133. 1:35:32 Unknown speaker enforcement divisions. Dead or dying
  2134. 1:35:34 Unknown speaker trees, vegetation, and other combustible
  2135. 1:35:36 Unknown speaker material identified in the plan must be
  2136. 1:35:37 Unknown speaker removed by August 1st, 2027.
  2137. 1:35:41 Unknown speaker Second.
  2138. 1:35:42 Unknown speaker Okay. So, um, the motion was made, um,
  2139. 1:35:47 Unknown speaker by council member Kulkoffer to amend
  2140. 1:35:49 Unknown speaker condition two by striking the existing
  2141. 1:35:52 Unknown speaker fire mitigation condition in its
  2142. 1:35:54 Unknown speaker entirety and replacing it with the
  2143. 1:35:55 Unknown speaker following. The property owner shall
  2144. 1:35:57 Unknown speaker submit a fire mitigation and vegetation
  2145. 1:35:59 Unknown speaker management plan by March 1st, 2027, in
  2146. 1:36:03 Unknown speaker coordination with the city's fire,
  2147. 1:36:05 Unknown speaker forestry, and code enforcement
  2148. 1:36:06 Unknown speaker divisions. dead or dying trees,
  2149. 1:36:09 Unknown speaker vegetation, and other combustible
  2150. 1:36:10 Unknown speaker material identified in the plan shall be
  2151. 1:36:13 Unknown speaker removed by August 1st, 2027. And do we
  2152. 1:36:17 Unknown speaker have any um questions or comments from
  2153. 1:36:20 Unknown speaker um council members? Council member
  2154. 1:36:22 Unknown speaker Prito,
  2155. 1:36:25 Unknown speaker just some clarification on the motion.
  2156. 1:36:27 Unknown speaker Um this is just to submit a plan. You're
  2157. 1:36:30 Unknown speaker not giving any like exact dates that
  2158. 1:36:32 Unknown speaker they have to take down.
  2159. 1:36:35 Unknown speaker August 1st. August 1st, 2027.
  2160. 1:36:38 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you.
  2161. 1:36:42 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Seeing no one else in the
  2162. 1:36:46 Unknown speaker queue, let's go ahead and vote on this
  2163. 1:36:48 Unknown speaker amendment or this condition.
  2164. 1:36:56 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries six to one with
  2165. 1:36:58 Unknown speaker council member Prito in opposition.
  2166. 1:37:00 Unknown speaker Okay. Um did we have other Were you
  2167. 1:37:03 Unknown speaker gonna Okay. Not on this one. Okay. So,
  2168. 1:37:06 Unknown speaker now we are back to the um
  2169. 1:37:10 Unknown speaker motion as or the um ordinance 2026-69.
  2170. 1:37:15 Unknown speaker These always get me when they're
  2171. 1:37:16 Unknown speaker amended. Uh with amendments. So, do we
  2172. 1:37:21 Unknown speaker have a motion to
  2173. 1:37:25 Unknown speaker um pass and adopt as amended? Council
  2174. 1:37:28 Unknown speaker member Popkin.
  2175. 1:37:30 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um you don't quite
  2176. 1:37:32 Unknown speaker have a motion yet. Um, but I had a
  2177. 1:37:33 Unknown speaker question based on some of the public
  2178. 1:37:34 Unknown speaker comments that I heard for staff on this.
  2179. 1:37:36 Unknown speaker Hi, [clears throat] um,
  2180. 1:37:38 Unknown speaker we heard a couple comments on the
  2181. 1:37:40 Unknown speaker traffic impacts here and and one of the
  2182. 1:37:42 Unknown speaker interesting things that I noticed in
  2183. 1:37:43 Unknown speaker both the concept plan and kind of
  2184. 1:37:45 Unknown speaker reinforced some public comments was the
  2185. 1:37:47 Unknown speaker access to airport road and I understand
  2186. 1:37:49 Unknown speaker that that it sounds like the developer
  2187. 1:37:51 Unknown speaker worked with staff already to create one
  2188. 1:37:54 Unknown speaker access point out of the development onto
  2189. 1:37:56 Unknown speaker Airport Road, but it sounds like that's
  2190. 1:37:57 Unknown speaker only a right turn. Um, could you just
  2191. 1:37:59 Unknown speaker speak a little bit more to the reason
  2192. 1:38:01 Unknown speaker why like working through the median is
  2193. 1:38:03 Unknown speaker not an option or changing kind of the
  2194. 1:38:05 Unknown speaker median structure isn't an option? It
  2195. 1:38:06 Unknown speaker seems like there's enough space on
  2196. 1:38:08 Unknown speaker airport road in general and I want to
  2197. 1:38:10 Unknown speaker just understand kind of why that's
  2198. 1:38:11 Unknown speaker reducing some of the options.
  2199. 1:38:13 Unknown speaker I
  2200. 1:38:17 Unknown speaker whether it's you Kristen or Josh or
  2201. 1:38:19 Unknown speaker I was gonna say
  2202. 1:38:22 Unknown speaker oh you're not on. Yeah,
  2203. 1:38:28 Unknown speaker no problem. Hi, Josh. Uh, good evening,
  2204. 1:38:31 Unknown speaker mayor and members of [clears throat]
  2205. 1:38:32 Unknown speaker council. Good evening, council member
  2206. 1:38:33 Unknown speaker Popkin. Uh, Josh Sherman, civil engineer
  2207. 1:38:35 Unknown speaker with public works. Um, so
  2208. 1:38:39 Unknown speaker the current intersection um, proposed on
  2209. 1:38:42 Unknown speaker Airport Road is a public rideway, which
  2210. 1:38:44 Unknown speaker it needs to be. Can't be a private
  2211. 1:38:45 Unknown speaker access. There is an existing center
  2212. 1:38:47 Unknown speaker median. Um, there's actually a couple
  2213. 1:38:49 Unknown speaker different center medians there. Mhm.
  2214. 1:38:51 Unknown speaker Looking at the map, I'm going to start
  2215. 1:38:53 Unknown speaker from the north and work south. Um the
  2216. 1:38:55 Unknown speaker center median um that abuts sort of the
  2217. 1:38:58 Unknown speaker railroad crossing is necessary to
  2218. 1:39:00 Unknown speaker separate
  2219. 1:39:02 Unknown speaker um the directional traffic there, the
  2220. 1:39:03 Unknown speaker north south traffic. And then you can
  2221. 1:39:05 Unknown speaker imagine when the gate arms come down um
  2222. 1:39:07 Unknown speaker for the railroad, it it provides that
  2223. 1:39:09 Unknown speaker complete closure of that crossing. So
  2224. 1:39:12 Unknown speaker it's not uncommon to see those types of
  2225. 1:39:14 Unknown speaker uh medians at railroad crossing
  2226. 1:39:16 Unknown speaker intersections. Um [clears throat] and so
  2227. 1:39:19 Unknown speaker that particular median is what I feel
  2228. 1:39:22 Unknown speaker like I'm getting feedback is what um
  2229. 1:39:26 Unknown speaker um presents challenges with a left end
  2230. 1:39:29 Unknown speaker to that particular access. A left end
  2231. 1:39:31 Unknown speaker would have to be made out of the left
  2232. 1:39:33 Unknown speaker hand through lane um because there's not
  2233. 1:39:36 Unknown speaker a lot of room there to get rid of that
  2234. 1:39:38 Unknown speaker center median uh due to the railroad
  2235. 1:39:40 Unknown speaker crossing to allow for the queuing and
  2236. 1:39:42 Unknown speaker the taper that's necessary um to be able
  2237. 1:39:44 Unknown speaker to use that fifth lane, that center lane
  2238. 1:39:47 Unknown speaker as a turn lane if you're heading south
  2239. 1:39:49 Unknown speaker on Airport Road and then you were trying
  2240. 1:39:51 Unknown speaker to make a left into that proposed
  2241. 1:39:52 Unknown speaker access.
  2242. 1:39:55 Unknown speaker That's understood. Thank you. That's
  2243. 1:39:56 Unknown speaker that's clarifying. How about in terms of
  2244. 1:39:58 Unknown speaker making an a left out of the proposed
  2245. 1:40:01 Unknown speaker development onto Airport Road going
  2246. 1:40:02 Unknown speaker south?
  2247. 1:40:03 Unknown speaker Sure. Um,
  2248. 1:40:05 Unknown speaker [clears throat] what one of the things I
  2249. 1:40:07 Unknown speaker would say is, you know, we start looking
  2250. 1:40:08 Unknown speaker at access points and
  2251. 1:40:11 Unknown speaker we [clears throat] start looking at
  2252. 1:40:12 Unknown speaker restrictions to access points. The first
  2253. 1:40:14 Unknown speaker one that we restrict is the left out.
  2254. 1:40:16 Unknown speaker That puts you at a threequarter
  2255. 1:40:17 Unknown speaker movement. Then if you restrict the left
  2256. 1:40:19 Unknown speaker in, that puts you at a ride in, right
  2257. 1:40:20 Unknown speaker out.
  2258. 1:40:21 Unknown speaker Um, so the left out
  2259. 1:40:22 Unknown speaker the fewest number of conflict points
  2260. 1:40:24 Unknown speaker between potential vehicles.
  2261. 1:40:26 Unknown speaker Yes. Exactly. Mhm. Um, so I think one of
  2262. 1:40:28 Unknown speaker the challenges with a left out or to
  2263. 1:40:30 Unknown speaker allow a left out is you're also going to
  2264. 1:40:33 Unknown speaker allow a left in. Um, potentially
  2265. 1:40:37 Unknown speaker it can be hard to set up the medians and
  2266. 1:40:40 Unknown speaker the islands to prevent the left end if
  2267. 1:40:43 Unknown speaker you're allowing the left out.
  2268. 1:40:45 Unknown speaker Even I see what you're saying. So,
  2269. 1:40:46 Unknown speaker you're saying if you allow for the space
  2270. 1:40:49 Unknown speaker to go left out, southbound, there's you
  2271. 1:40:52 Unknown speaker are now opening up the opportunity for
  2272. 1:40:54 Unknown speaker someone to get creative with their left
  2273. 1:40:56 Unknown speaker turn going into the development.
  2274. 1:40:57 Unknown speaker Yes.
  2275. 1:40:59 Unknown speaker And because we have to account for human
  2276. 1:41:00 Unknown speaker behavior in a lot of different ways
  2277. 1:41:02 Unknown speaker here, that is one of the things that
  2278. 1:41:03 Unknown speaker traffic and transportation safety keeps
  2279. 1:41:05 Unknown speaker in mind.
  2280. 1:41:06 Unknown speaker Yes.
  2281. 1:41:07 Unknown speaker But to be clear, can the center median
  2282. 1:41:09 Unknown speaker be removed? The the one further south,
  2283. 1:41:11 Unknown speaker you could potentially remove it opening
  2284. 1:41:13 Unknown speaker up that center turn lane.
  2285. 1:41:23 Unknown speaker Thank you, Josh. I appreciate that
  2286. 1:41:25 Unknown speaker clarification there. Um, I do appreciate
  2287. 1:41:27 Unknown speaker Council Member Koffer already offering
  2288. 1:41:29 Unknown speaker kind of his motion before on mitigating
  2289. 1:41:32 Unknown speaker the the traffic uh impacts on the
  2290. 1:41:34 Unknown speaker Champion Greens neighborhood to the
  2291. 1:41:35 Unknown speaker maximum extent feasible. Um, even though
  2292. 1:41:37 Unknown speaker it was broad right now, I I appreciate
  2293. 1:41:39 Unknown speaker the flexibility that it allows there.
  2294. 1:41:41 Unknown speaker Um, just a question for staff on this.
  2295. 1:41:44 Unknown speaker Given Council Member Kuffer's prior
  2296. 1:41:46 Unknown speaker motion, I'm looking to see if I can I
  2297. 1:41:49 Unknown speaker don't have the wording right in front of
  2298. 1:41:50 Unknown speaker me. Does Does council member Kuffer's mo
  2299. 1:41:52 Unknown speaker motion allow for that option
  2300. 1:41:55 Unknown speaker as it's currently written?
  2301. 1:41:58 Unknown speaker The option to have full access at the
  2302. 1:42:00 Unknown speaker onto airport.
  2303. 1:42:01 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  2304. 1:42:02 Unknown speaker that I will again ask our um
  2305. 1:42:04 Unknown speaker Josh, one of your steps in getting your
  2306. 1:42:06 Unknown speaker steps in today.
  2307. 1:42:08 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2308. 1:42:12 Unknown speaker Uh good evening again. I think if I
  2309. 1:42:13 Unknown speaker understood the previous condition had to
  2310. 1:42:17 Unknown speaker do with uh traffic calming and traffic
  2311. 1:42:19 Unknown speaker control really through the existing
  2312. 1:42:21 Unknown speaker subdivision, not so much with this
  2313. 1:42:23 Unknown speaker proposed access onto airport road.
  2314. 1:42:25 Unknown speaker Gotcha. And I realize there are
  2315. 1:42:26 Unknown speaker different engineering considerations the
  2316. 1:42:27 Unknown speaker moment you start hitting a major road
  2317. 1:42:29 Unknown speaker like airport. Okay. Thank you. I wanted
  2318. 1:42:31 Unknown speaker to just understand this more. I
  2319. 1:42:32 Unknown speaker appreciate that.
  2320. 1:42:33 Unknown speaker Okay. Um
  2321. 1:42:36 Unknown speaker I I did want to offer a broader comment
  2322. 1:42:38 Unknown speaker on some of the density comments that I
  2323. 1:42:40 Unknown speaker heard. Um you know, I don't think
  2324. 1:42:42 Unknown speaker highdensity housing makes sense here at
  2325. 1:42:44 Unknown speaker all. Um that would change the character
  2326. 1:42:46 Unknown speaker of the neighborhood. Um and I think
  2327. 1:42:48 Unknown speaker that's part of the why on as an aside
  2328. 1:42:50 Unknown speaker why why I think we need to do everything
  2329. 1:42:51 Unknown speaker we can to focus our higher density
  2330. 1:42:52 Unknown speaker housing in our core of the city um and
  2331. 1:42:55 Unknown speaker away from existing neighborhoods. I I
  2332. 1:42:57 Unknown speaker will say though, this is and this may
  2333. 1:42:59 Unknown speaker not be of comfort to anyone in
  2334. 1:43:00 Unknown speaker particular, but this is one of the
  2335. 1:43:01 Unknown speaker lowest density housing proposals that we
  2336. 1:43:03 Unknown speaker have seen come through here um in at
  2337. 1:43:06 Unknown speaker least the past two years I've been on
  2338. 1:43:07 Unknown speaker city council in the last four years
  2339. 1:43:09 Unknown speaker between planning and zoning and and city
  2340. 1:43:11 Unknown speaker council here and I recognize some of the
  2341. 1:43:13 Unknown speaker folks who have come tonight from the
  2342. 1:43:14 Unknown speaker planning and zoning hearing from from a
  2343. 1:43:16 Unknown speaker few months ago. Um so, thank you for
  2344. 1:43:17 Unknown speaker coming back. Um
  2345. 1:43:20 Unknown speaker I think there's no doubt that there will
  2346. 1:43:22 Unknown speaker be some impact on those if this gets
  2347. 1:43:24 Unknown speaker approved to to the east. Um and and
  2348. 1:43:27 Unknown speaker hopefully the conditions that council
  2349. 1:43:28 Unknown speaker member Koffer offered are there to
  2350. 1:43:30 Unknown speaker mitigate this as much as possible. Um
  2351. 1:43:33 Unknown speaker you know just for context you know I
  2352. 1:43:35 Unknown speaker live in a single family neighborhood and
  2353. 1:43:36 Unknown speaker this is all all of the density the dus
  2354. 1:43:39 Unknown speaker per acre is less than um is all lower
  2355. 1:43:42 Unknown speaker density even at the highest range
  2356. 1:43:44 Unknown speaker proposed than the single family
  2357. 1:43:45 Unknown speaker neighborhood that or street that I live
  2358. 1:43:47 Unknown speaker on um which is 10 dus per acre. Um, so I
  2359. 1:43:50 Unknown speaker just wanted to offer that perspective to
  2360. 1:43:51 Unknown speaker folks because sometimes the DUS per acre
  2361. 1:43:53 Unknown speaker planning terms can get a little bit hard
  2362. 1:43:55 Unknown speaker to wrestle with. Um, so I I know this
  2363. 1:43:58 Unknown speaker won't alleviate any or all concerns
  2364. 1:44:00 Unknown speaker necessarily, but I hope that's a helpful
  2365. 1:44:01 Unknown speaker perspective and just context for folks
  2366. 1:44:03 Unknown speaker who are concerned about that. Thank you.
  2367. 1:44:06 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, thank you, Council Member
  2368. 1:44:08 Unknown speaker Koffer.
  2369. 1:44:09 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, Chris May, this is
  2370. 1:44:12 Unknown speaker for you. When what is the next steps in
  2371. 1:44:15 Unknown speaker this process? when do we have the
  2372. 1:44:17 Unknown speaker opportunity to, you know, figure out
  2373. 1:44:19 Unknown speaker what the design is going to look like,
  2374. 1:44:20 Unknown speaker what the final unit count's going to
  2375. 1:44:21 Unknown speaker look like? Just walk us through what
  2376. 1:44:23 Unknown speaker this next steps are.
  2377. 1:44:24 Unknown speaker Sure. So, the next steps in the process
  2378. 1:44:26 Unknown speaker would be subdivision of the property and
  2379. 1:44:28 Unknown speaker a site development plan. Those items
  2380. 1:44:31 Unknown speaker would both be reviewed by city staff.
  2381. 1:44:33 Unknown speaker Um, preliminary plat requires planning
  2382. 1:44:35 Unknown speaker commission approval if it is more than
  2383. 1:44:37 Unknown speaker three new lots established. So that
  2384. 1:44:40 Unknown speaker would go before the planning commission
  2385. 1:44:41 Unknown speaker for consideration, but really you don't
  2386. 1:44:43 Unknown speaker know the more fine-tuned details until
  2387. 1:44:46 Unknown speaker it gets into that site plan review
  2388. 1:44:48 Unknown speaker process.
  2389. 1:44:49 Unknown speaker And then during the site plan review
  2390. 1:44:50 Unknown speaker process, is that when either planning
  2391. 1:44:52 Unknown speaker and zoning or city council has the
  2392. 1:44:54 Unknown speaker opportunity to kind of weigh in on some
  2393. 1:44:57 Unknown speaker of the design elements?
  2394. 1:44:59 Unknown speaker It would not come back to city council.
  2395. 1:45:01 Unknown speaker planning and zoning would have the
  2396. 1:45:03 Unknown speaker opportunity to weigh in on the design
  2397. 1:45:04 Unknown speaker aspects of the property
  2398. 1:45:06 Unknown speaker and then that will also be open to the
  2399. 1:45:08 Unknown speaker public as well.
  2400. 1:45:09 Unknown speaker Correct.
  2401. 1:45:10 Unknown speaker Thank you. And then for the groundwater,
  2402. 1:45:12 Unknown speaker when when is that going to be addressed?
  2403. 1:45:14 Unknown speaker That would be addressed at time of sight
  2404. 1:45:16 Unknown speaker development plan. Geotech will be
  2405. 1:45:18 Unknown speaker required to be submitted with those
  2406. 1:45:20 Unknown speaker applications and reviewed for
  2407. 1:45:23 Unknown speaker groundwater issues as well as you know
  2408. 1:45:26 Unknown speaker other issues pertinent to the
  2409. 1:45:27 Unknown speaker geotechnical analysis.
  2410. 1:45:30 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Yeah,
  2411. 1:45:32 Unknown speaker I have a really quick question while
  2412. 1:45:33 Unknown speaker you're up here. If um the study finds
  2413. 1:45:36 Unknown speaker that there is significant groundwater
  2414. 1:45:38 Unknown speaker issues, what happens after that? Like
  2415. 1:45:42 Unknown speaker what that would have to be conversations
  2416. 1:45:45 Unknown speaker that would be had between planning and
  2417. 1:45:47 Unknown speaker the developer and engineering to see if
  2418. 1:45:51 Unknown speaker a resolution could be found or if
  2419. 1:45:55 Unknown speaker perhaps the developer would need to
  2420. 1:45:57 Unknown speaker amend their concept plan. in that if
  2421. 1:45:59 Unknown speaker there would be a concept plan amendment
  2422. 1:46:01 Unknown speaker would come back to council for
  2423. 1:46:02 Unknown speaker consideration. So it' be considered if
  2424. 1:46:05 Unknown speaker it couldn't be mitigated there'd be
  2425. 1:46:07 Unknown speaker potential that the concept plan would
  2426. 1:46:08 Unknown speaker need to change which is a council
  2427. 1:46:09 Unknown speaker action.
  2428. 1:46:10 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. So then um so then it is
  2429. 1:46:13 Unknown speaker required that a a groundwater study be
  2430. 1:46:17 Unknown speaker be conducted.
  2431. 1:46:18 Unknown speaker Yeah. The geotechnical analysis.
  2432. 1:46:20 Unknown speaker Geotechnical [clears throat]
  2433. 1:46:20 Unknown speaker analysis. I'm learning all these. Oh my
  2434. 1:46:22 Unknown speaker gosh. Okay.
  2435. 1:46:24 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um council or mayor prom.
  2436. 1:46:27 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. Uh Josh, I think you
  2437. 1:46:29 Unknown speaker need to come back down. Um
  2438. 1:46:30 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  2439. 1:46:35 Unknown speaker sorry, Chris,
  2440. 1:46:40 Unknown speaker I'll find a closer seat.
  2441. 1:46:42 Unknown speaker Sorry.
  2442. 1:46:42 Unknown speaker Yeah, just have a seat in the front.
  2443. 1:46:44 Unknown speaker You might want to stick around, but
  2444. 1:46:45 Unknown speaker Okay, so here's here's my thought. you
  2445. 1:46:48 Unknown speaker know, I I see that uh you know, we we've
  2446. 1:46:51 Unknown speaker are trying to actually, you know, figure
  2447. 1:46:54 Unknown speaker something out on the inside of uh
  2448. 1:46:56 Unknown speaker Champion Greens and and I and I like
  2449. 1:46:59 Unknown speaker that, but uh I think what about uh
  2450. 1:47:03 Unknown speaker adding a second ride in ride out? Uh
  2451. 1:47:07 Unknown speaker [clears throat] is there enough room? Um
  2452. 1:47:10 Unknown speaker so the intersection spacing on an
  2453. 1:47:11 Unknown speaker arterial street is 660 ft. So, I don't
  2454. 1:47:14 Unknown speaker believe there's enough frontage along
  2455. 1:47:16 Unknown speaker this property
  2456. 1:47:17 Unknown speaker to accommodate two access points and
  2457. 1:47:19 Unknown speaker meet the spacing requirements.
  2458. 1:47:20 Unknown speaker Okay. The second the second part of my
  2459. 1:47:23 Unknown speaker question is is that I've often had a
  2460. 1:47:24 Unknown speaker concern about that airport uh road going
  2461. 1:47:28 Unknown speaker further uh north and uh the greens where
  2462. 1:47:33 Unknown speaker if we have people doing right in and
  2463. 1:47:34 Unknown speaker right out and then all of a sudden
  2464. 1:47:36 Unknown speaker thinking that they need to take uh a
  2465. 1:47:39 Unknown speaker left turn, they're going to try to take
  2466. 1:47:40 Unknown speaker that left turn or U-turn at uh Mountain
  2467. 1:47:45 Unknown speaker View, which is already a really weirdly
  2468. 1:47:47 Unknown speaker congested location. Uh uh and I'm
  2469. 1:47:52 Unknown speaker wondering if a a roundabout or something
  2470. 1:47:54 Unknown speaker like that could be done at the Greens
  2471. 1:47:57 Unknown speaker location so that some of those folks
  2472. 1:47:59 Unknown speaker could at least get out onto Airport Road
  2473. 1:48:01 Unknown speaker without some of the trouble and it would
  2474. 1:48:04 Unknown speaker be a traffic slowing,
  2475. 1:48:07 Unknown speaker you know, aspect as well as as maybe
  2476. 1:48:11 Unknown speaker encourage people not to turn at
  2477. 1:48:13 Unknown speaker [clears throat] I I I understand your
  2478. 1:48:16 Unknown speaker question. um at the intersection of
  2479. 1:48:18 Unknown speaker Mountain View and Airport. I guess I
  2480. 1:48:20 Unknown speaker would offer a broad um answer, which is
  2481. 1:48:23 Unknown speaker a a traffic circle can be used to
  2482. 1:48:26 Unknown speaker replace a traffic light, a traffic
  2483. 1:48:27 Unknown speaker signal as a traffic control device at an
  2484. 1:48:30 Unknown speaker intersection.
  2485. 1:48:30 Unknown speaker Well, I was thinking more back uh going
  2486. 1:48:34 Unknown speaker south from that at the Greens entrance
  2487. 1:48:37 Unknown speaker where
  2488. 1:48:38 Unknown speaker so that the folks in the greens can get
  2489. 1:48:40 Unknown speaker in and out easier, slows things down and
  2490. 1:48:42 Unknown speaker it doesn't provide and
  2491. 1:48:44 Unknown speaker that people are not
  2492. 1:48:46 Unknown speaker thinking that it's there. It kind of
  2493. 1:48:48 Unknown speaker helps the neighborhood in a sense uh you
  2494. 1:48:51 Unknown speaker know decide which way they want to go
  2495. 1:48:53 Unknown speaker without especially with that right in
  2496. 1:48:55 Unknown speaker and right out.
  2497. 1:48:56 Unknown speaker Yeah. Okay. Um I um I don't know the
  2498. 1:48:59 Unknown speaker name of that street, but I know what
  2499. 1:49:00 Unknown speaker street you're talking about,
  2500. 1:49:01 Unknown speaker right?
  2501. 1:49:01 Unknown speaker Um possible. I don't know if there's
  2502. 1:49:04 Unknown speaker enough real estate there within the ride
  2503. 1:49:06 Unknown speaker ofway, right,
  2504. 1:49:06 Unknown speaker to implement a traffic circle. That's
  2505. 1:49:08 Unknown speaker basically a three-way intersection. So
  2506. 1:49:10 Unknown speaker it's the the local street and then the
  2507. 1:49:12 Unknown speaker north south airport road,
  2508. 1:49:13 Unknown speaker right? So they're they're tempt I mean I
  2509. 1:49:16 Unknown speaker I suppose there are moments where people
  2510. 1:49:18 Unknown speaker can take a left at certain times of the
  2511. 1:49:22 Unknown speaker day but for the most part most people
  2512. 1:49:24 Unknown speaker always probably have to for the speed of
  2513. 1:49:27 Unknown speaker traffic and everything take a right out
  2514. 1:49:30 Unknown speaker of that. [snorts]
  2515. 1:49:31 Unknown speaker Yes. And if I recall that subdivision
  2516. 1:49:33 Unknown speaker also has an access on Mountain View.
  2517. 1:49:35 Unknown speaker Right. So if you didn't feel safe taking
  2518. 1:49:37 Unknown speaker a left to head south on airport,
  2519. 1:49:40 Unknown speaker travel through the neighborhood,
  2520. 1:49:41 Unknown speaker go through the subdivision, make a left
  2521. 1:49:43 Unknown speaker on the Mountain View, and then use the
  2522. 1:49:45 Unknown speaker signal there.
  2523. 1:49:46 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Thank you.
  2524. 1:49:50 Unknown speaker Great. Um, thank you.
  2525. 1:49:53 Unknown speaker Um, okay. Oh,
  2526. 1:49:56 Unknown speaker did I? Okay. So, did we have
  2527. 1:50:01 Unknown speaker did we have a motion to approve this
  2528. 1:50:06 Unknown speaker item? Do we have any other comments from
  2529. 1:50:08 Unknown speaker council?
  2530. 1:50:11 Unknown speaker I do have some things to say. So,
  2531. 1:50:12 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2532. 1:50:14 Unknown speaker so I'm going to say or did you want to
  2533. 1:50:15 Unknown speaker I'm going to let you jump. Get it out of
  2534. 1:50:17 Unknown speaker the way.
  2535. 1:50:19 Unknown speaker I I wasn't going to say anything on
  2536. 1:50:20 Unknown speaker this, but I think the the comments from
  2537. 1:50:22 Unknown speaker residents and the the really I I think
  2538. 1:50:25 Unknown speaker um genuine feedback that we've heard
  2539. 1:50:27 Unknown speaker that I also heard during the planning
  2540. 1:50:29 Unknown speaker discussion, I I do feel the need to just
  2541. 1:50:31 Unknown speaker just kind of lay out there for the folks
  2542. 1:50:33 Unknown speaker in this room where where I'm thinking on
  2543. 1:50:35 Unknown speaker this ahead of the vote. Um I am
  2544. 1:50:37 Unknown speaker incredibly sympathetic to all of the
  2545. 1:50:39 Unknown speaker concerns that we've heard tonight,
  2546. 1:50:41 Unknown speaker particularly around drainage, around
  2547. 1:50:42 Unknown speaker traffic. Um they're real issues. They
  2548. 1:50:44 Unknown speaker deserve to be taken seriously. I believe
  2549. 1:50:46 Unknown speaker that they will be. Um, as part of this
  2550. 1:50:48 Unknown speaker process, I I also think it really
  2551. 1:50:50 Unknown speaker matters that this project has changed
  2552. 1:50:52 Unknown speaker substantially because of the engagement
  2553. 1:50:54 Unknown speaker of residents in this community. This is
  2554. 1:50:56 Unknown speaker not the same proposal that many of you
  2555. 1:50:59 Unknown speaker heard about when this project was
  2556. 1:51:00 Unknown speaker originally proposed. We've gone from 12
  2557. 1:51:02 Unknown speaker units per acre to between 6 and a half
  2558. 1:51:04 Unknown speaker and nine. Increased buffering and
  2559. 1:51:06 Unknown speaker building separation, responded to
  2560. 1:51:08 Unknown speaker concerns about neighborhood access and
  2561. 1:51:09 Unknown speaker impacts. That is really honestly from
  2562. 1:51:12 Unknown speaker where I sit pretty rare for a
  2563. 1:51:14 Unknown speaker development to change that much as a
  2564. 1:51:16 Unknown speaker response to community feedback. I
  2565. 1:51:18 Unknown speaker understand that that is not going to
  2566. 1:51:19 Unknown speaker alleviate every concern, but I do want
  2567. 1:51:21 Unknown speaker to thank uh Mr. Bestl for for the work
  2568. 1:51:24 Unknown speaker that's gone into trying to move the
  2569. 1:51:26 Unknown speaker needle on this. Um I also heard a
  2570. 1:51:29 Unknown speaker comment about, you know, the difference
  2571. 1:51:30 Unknown speaker between 27 homes and 44 homes
  2572. 1:51:32 Unknown speaker potentially in this development. That is
  2573. 1:51:35 Unknown speaker actually I mean what I've learned in
  2574. 1:51:36 Unknown speaker this job is that may sound like a pretty
  2575. 1:51:38 Unknown speaker big difference but we're going to hear
  2576. 1:51:40 Unknown speaker about a potential proposal later tonight
  2577. 1:51:42 Unknown speaker that's like 160 to 500 like the the the
  2578. 1:51:45 Unknown speaker difference here is is actually pretty
  2579. 1:51:47 Unknown speaker tight. Um
  2580. 1:51:50 Unknown speaker we're actually yeah as a council I think
  2581. 1:51:53 Unknown speaker we've also decided and I appreciate
  2582. 1:51:54 Unknown speaker council member cockoffer for for
  2583. 1:51:56 Unknown speaker bringing in additional protections
  2584. 1:51:57 Unknown speaker around traffic circulation. So for me
  2585. 1:51:59 Unknown speaker really the question is not are the
  2586. 1:52:02 Unknown speaker concerns of the neighborhood being
  2587. 1:52:04 Unknown speaker ignored. It's whether they're being
  2588. 1:52:06 Unknown speaker identified, whether they're being
  2589. 1:52:07 Unknown speaker planned for, studied, addressed, and
  2590. 1:52:09 Unknown speaker eventually through the rest of the
  2591. 1:52:10 Unknown speaker development process able to be answered.
  2592. 1:52:12 Unknown speaker And and I think the record shows that
  2593. 1:52:14 Unknown speaker they largely have been. Um, and I also
  2594. 1:52:17 Unknown speaker want to be really clear. I think the
  2595. 1:52:18 Unknown speaker project matters because of what it is.
  2596. 1:52:21 Unknown speaker We're talking about a relatively small
  2597. 1:52:23 Unknown speaker neighborhood with a mix of attached
  2598. 1:52:24 Unknown speaker homes, detached homes at a scale that is
  2599. 1:52:26 Unknown speaker much closer to the surrounding
  2600. 1:52:28 Unknown speaker neighborhood than where this project
  2601. 1:52:29 Unknown speaker originally began. This is really, in my
  2602. 1:52:32 Unknown speaker view, what Longmont needs. Um, I get
  2603. 1:52:35 Unknown speaker asked a lot, as we all do, about a part.
  2604. 1:52:37 Unknown speaker Um, and my response is that we need to
  2605. 1:52:40 Unknown speaker get choosy on annexation. I say that a
  2606. 1:52:42 Unknown speaker lot, that annexation is the one real
  2607. 1:52:43 Unknown speaker opportunity that we have as a council to
  2608. 1:52:45 Unknown speaker be choosy about what we get as a city
  2609. 1:52:47 Unknown speaker and if we get what we need. We need more
  2610. 1:52:50 Unknown speaker housing choice in Longmont between large
  2611. 1:52:53 Unknown speaker apartment complexes and detached single
  2612. 1:52:55 Unknown speaker family homes that are out of reach for a
  2613. 1:52:57 Unknown speaker lot of folks. Um, we need town homes, we
  2614. 1:52:59 Unknown speaker need attached homes, we need smaller
  2615. 1:53:01 Unknown speaker detached homes, and we need other forms
  2616. 1:53:03 Unknown speaker of forale housing if we're going to
  2617. 1:53:05 Unknown speaker avoid the massive multif family rental
  2618. 1:53:08 Unknown speaker apartment complexes that so many folks
  2619. 1:53:09 Unknown speaker have seen pop up over the last several
  2620. 1:53:12 Unknown speaker years. And if we want Longmont to
  2621. 1:53:13 Unknown speaker survive as a community where
  2622. 1:53:14 Unknown speaker working-class folks can put down roots
  2623. 1:53:16 Unknown speaker and make it here, I I think we need to
  2624. 1:53:18 Unknown speaker be choosy. I think we are being choosy.
  2625. 1:53:21 Unknown speaker So supporting this uh does not mean that
  2626. 1:53:23 Unknown speaker I'm dismissing concerns about drainage
  2627. 1:53:25 Unknown speaker or about traffic. I I I'm not. I I think
  2628. 1:53:27 Unknown speaker we have to manage those issues and still
  2629. 1:53:30 Unknown speaker allow the kind of housing that our
  2630. 1:53:32 Unknown speaker community needs, especially as we've
  2631. 1:53:34 Unknown speaker seen in the last several years,
  2632. 1:53:36 Unknown speaker different kinds of massive multif family
  2633. 1:53:38 Unknown speaker development pop up that does not meet
  2634. 1:53:40 Unknown speaker this scale and does not address the need
  2635. 1:53:42 Unknown speaker that this project seeks to address in
  2636. 1:53:44 Unknown speaker that missing middle. So, I am
  2637. 1:53:45 Unknown speaker comfortable supporting this tonight. And
  2638. 1:53:47 Unknown speaker uh with that, I I wasn't going to do it,
  2639. 1:53:50 Unknown speaker but I guess I'll do it. Um I move
  2640. 1:53:51 Unknown speaker ordinance 20269.
  2641. 1:53:53 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have a second?
  2642. 1:53:54 Unknown speaker As amended.
  2643. 1:53:55 Unknown speaker As amended. Yes.
  2644. 1:53:57 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have a second?
  2645. 1:53:59 Unknown speaker Second.
  2646. 1:54:00 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion was made to pass
  2647. 1:54:02 Unknown speaker and adopt ordinance 2026-69
  2648. 1:54:05 Unknown speaker as amended. The motion was made by
  2649. 1:54:07 Unknown speaker council member Par um Marcine. I was
  2650. 1:54:10 Unknown speaker going to like combine Popkin and
  2651. 1:54:12 Unknown speaker Marcine. It was like a smash of
  2652. 1:54:14 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2653. 1:54:16 Unknown speaker no.
  2654. 1:54:20 Unknown speaker Yeah, that was funny. Um so Council
  2655. 1:54:23 Unknown speaker Member Marcen and um seconded by um
  2656. 1:54:26 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin. Um I do have
  2657. 1:54:29 Unknown speaker something to say. So this you know just
  2658. 1:54:31 Unknown speaker seeing the process when CH um Champion
  2659. 1:54:35 Unknown speaker Greens was part of Ward 2 and then it
  2660. 1:54:38 Unknown speaker became part of W one. And so, you know,
  2661. 1:54:40 Unknown speaker part of having historical knowledge is
  2662. 1:54:42 Unknown speaker also um, you know, inheriting the trauma
  2663. 1:54:46 Unknown speaker that goes with it. [laughter] And,
  2664. 1:54:49 Unknown speaker you know, I just this this property has
  2665. 1:54:52 Unknown speaker has been a problem as I see, you know,
  2666. 1:54:54 Unknown speaker it's it's a narrow strip of land. Um,
  2667. 1:54:58 Unknown speaker there's a lot of uncertainty and I
  2668. 1:55:00 Unknown speaker appreciate the um the amendments made.
  2669. 1:55:05 Unknown speaker So, you know, in the event that it it
  2670. 1:55:07 Unknown speaker does pass, you know, I I I do want to
  2671. 1:55:09 Unknown speaker see these, you know, these things come
  2672. 1:55:12 Unknown speaker to fa pass with the um geotechnical
  2673. 1:55:17 Unknown speaker study. Um and if any kind of alarms or
  2674. 1:55:21 Unknown speaker red flags go up, you know, please please
  2675. 1:55:24 Unknown speaker address these. Um I I just in even
  2676. 1:55:29 Unknown speaker looking at the change and I'm looking at
  2677. 1:55:31 Unknown speaker staff you all weren't here when the
  2678. 1:55:33 Unknown speaker initial change happened of moving it
  2679. 1:55:35 Unknown speaker from single family to multif family but
  2680. 1:55:39 Unknown speaker I I have just seen that that process
  2681. 1:55:42 Unknown speaker wasn't done um to the extent that it
  2682. 1:55:45 Unknown speaker could and what our practice is today. I
  2683. 1:55:49 Unknown speaker cannot in good faith and just knowing
  2684. 1:55:51 Unknown speaker what I know and just I I cannot in good
  2685. 1:55:53 Unknown speaker faith move forward on this. So I will be
  2686. 1:55:56 Unknown speaker a no. Um
  2687. 1:55:58 Unknown speaker but um I mean that's that's how I feel.
  2688. 1:56:02 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2689. 1:56:03 Unknown speaker I just don't think it's a good it's for
  2690. 1:56:05 Unknown speaker that particular space. It's it's just
  2691. 1:56:08 Unknown speaker not a good good move. Um I've had a
  2692. 1:56:11 Unknown speaker chance to kind of check it out over the
  2693. 1:56:13 Unknown speaker years and I just um no no audience
  2694. 1:56:17 Unknown speaker participation please. Um, Council Member
  2695. 1:56:19 Unknown speaker Kulkoffer.
  2696. 1:56:22 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, this this is
  2697. 1:56:24 Unknown speaker really challenging. I do want to
  2698. 1:56:26 Unknown speaker appreciate that everybody's concerns,
  2699. 1:56:29 Unknown speaker you know, mean something and
  2700. 1:56:32 Unknown speaker voting on stuff like this matters and I
  2701. 1:56:35 Unknown speaker don't take it light-heartedly um because
  2702. 1:56:39 Unknown speaker this does affect the folks in the in the
  2703. 1:56:41 Unknown speaker neighborhood. I have had a chance to
  2704. 1:56:43 Unknown speaker look at the neighborhood and look at the
  2705. 1:56:46 Unknown speaker the property and I'm not proud of the
  2706. 1:56:49 Unknown speaker property how it stands right now. It is
  2707. 1:56:51 Unknown speaker not it is not a nicel looking property.
  2708. 1:56:53 Unknown speaker It's in disrepair. The trees are really
  2709. 1:56:56 Unknown speaker bad. It's it's something that is very
  2710. 1:56:58 Unknown speaker concerning to me because of the
  2711. 1:57:00 Unknown speaker condition that it's in right now. I
  2712. 1:57:02 Unknown speaker believe it's a it's a safety issue. I
  2713. 1:57:05 Unknown speaker believe that, you know, if we don't
  2714. 1:57:07 Unknown speaker bring it in, it's not something that we
  2715. 1:57:09 Unknown speaker can keep an eye on. And I'm hopeful that
  2716. 1:57:13 Unknown speaker when we start to look at all of the
  2717. 1:57:14 Unknown speaker improvements that are happening in this
  2718. 1:57:16 Unknown speaker neighborhood, and when we start to see
  2719. 1:57:18 Unknown speaker the development and the new neighbors
  2720. 1:57:21 Unknown speaker with all of the conditions that we're
  2721. 1:57:22 Unknown speaker putting in this in in place, it will
  2722. 1:57:25 Unknown speaker help the neighbors coexist together. I'm
  2723. 1:57:29 Unknown speaker nervous that if we don't do something,
  2724. 1:57:31 Unknown speaker we're going to continue to kick the can
  2725. 1:57:32 Unknown speaker down the road. And I'm really concerned
  2726. 1:57:34 Unknown speaker about a fire that is coming. I just went
  2727. 1:57:36 Unknown speaker to a water conference today and fire
  2728. 1:57:38 Unknown speaker risk is is huge. If we don't do anything
  2729. 1:57:41 Unknown speaker and it stays in Boulder County, Boulder
  2730. 1:57:43 Unknown speaker County doesn't have the ability to
  2731. 1:57:45 Unknown speaker manage the property and if we don't
  2732. 1:57:47 Unknown speaker annex this and it doesn't get developed,
  2733. 1:57:49 Unknown speaker I am nervous that something detrimental
  2734. 1:57:51 Unknown speaker is going to happen to the neighborhood
  2735. 1:57:54 Unknown speaker immediately to the east. And this is not
  2736. 1:57:56 Unknown speaker an easy decision for me because I know
  2737. 1:57:58 Unknown speaker that it's something that is going to
  2738. 1:58:00 Unknown speaker affect, you know, these these residents.
  2739. 1:58:02 Unknown speaker Um, so I'm I am going to be voting in
  2740. 1:58:05 Unknown speaker support of this because I do believe
  2741. 1:58:07 Unknown speaker it's going to help the neighbors
  2742. 1:58:09 Unknown speaker immediately to the to the east.
  2743. 1:58:11 Unknown speaker Thank you. Uh, let's go ahead and vote.
  2744. 1:58:17 Unknown speaker There's no third.
  2745. 1:58:23 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2746. 1:58:24 Unknown speaker Give you a few.
  2747. 1:58:25 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries uh 5 to2 with um
  2748. 1:58:29 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom McCoy and myself in
  2749. 1:58:31 Unknown speaker opposition. Um okay, now
  2750. 1:58:35 Unknown speaker we are done with [laughter]
  2751. 1:58:38 Unknown speaker Okay, we are on um to item F, ordinance
  2752. 1:58:44 Unknown speaker 2026-70.
  2753. 1:58:46 Unknown speaker Do we need a break?
  2754. 1:58:47 Unknown speaker Okay, we were sitting down for a while.
  2755. 1:58:49 Unknown speaker Okay, thanks. I'm gonna take a five
  2756. 1:58:52 Unknown speaker minute break.
  2757. 1:58:56 Unknown speaker [music]
  2758. 1:59:06 Unknown speaker [music]
  2759. 1:59:18 Unknown speaker [music]
  2760. 2:00:13 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  2761. 2:00:59 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  2762. 2:01:14 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  2763. 2:01:36 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  2764. 2:03:50 Unknown speaker Heat. Hey. Hey. Hey.
  2765. 2:03:58 Unknown speaker [music]
  2766. 2:04:39 Unknown speaker Hey,
  2767. 2:04:47 Unknown speaker hey, hey.
  2768. 2:04:57 Unknown speaker [music]
  2769. 2:05:03 Unknown speaker [music]
  2770. 2:05:10 Unknown speaker [music]
  2771. 2:05:15 Unknown speaker Hey, [music]
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  2777. 2:05:54 Unknown speaker Okay, if council members can make
  2778. 2:05:56 Unknown speaker [music] their way back to their seats.
  2779. 2:06:00 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  2780. 2:06:03 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2781. 2:06:05 Unknown speaker They're not listening to me.
  2782. 2:06:19 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah, they're they're taking their
  2783. 2:06:21 Unknown speaker time.
  2784. 2:06:24 Unknown speaker Oh, yeah.
  2785. 2:06:26 Unknown speaker Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah.
  2786. 2:06:31 Unknown speaker Yes.
  2787. 2:06:32 Unknown speaker Forget how good Kit Kats are.
  2788. 2:06:33 Unknown speaker I know. My did not get any candy this
  2789. 2:06:36 Unknown speaker this year.
  2790. 2:06:37 Unknown speaker Okay. We are now on to ordinance
  2791. 2:06:39 Unknown speaker 2026-70,
  2792. 2:06:41 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance approving the
  2793. 2:06:43 Unknown speaker development agreement with Main Street
  2794. 2:06:46 Unknown speaker Tibo LLC to coordinate construction of
  2795. 2:06:50 Unknown speaker the first and main transit center and
  2796. 2:06:52 Unknown speaker transit oriented
  2797. 2:06:55 Unknown speaker design project. Um, do we have a
  2798. 2:06:57 Unknown speaker presentation or
  2799. 2:06:59 Unknown speaker We're here for questions if the council
  2800. 2:07:02 Unknown speaker has it tonight and the developers here
  2801. 2:07:03 Unknown speaker as well. Okay. And then we do have some
  2802. 2:07:05 Unknown speaker updated renderings hot off the press if
  2803. 2:07:07 Unknown speaker council would like to see those.
  2804. 2:07:09 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah, let's go ahead and show
  2805. 2:07:11 Unknown speaker those
  2806. 2:07:13 Unknown speaker pretty pictures. That's right.
  2807. 2:07:15 Unknown speaker Awesome.
  2808. 2:07:18 Unknown speaker Let's see if I can get rid of this.
  2809. 2:07:24 Unknown speaker Okay, so I am Molly O'Donnell. I'm the
  2810. 2:07:26 Unknown speaker director of housing for for Longmont.
  2811. 2:07:29 Unknown speaker And then we have Brian Bear here
  2812. 2:07:30 Unknown speaker representing our development partner for
  2813. 2:07:34 Unknown speaker uh the development agreement that you're
  2814. 2:07:35 Unknown speaker considering tonight. Um we're available
  2815. 2:07:37 Unknown speaker for questions. We've talked about this
  2816. 2:07:39 Unknown speaker project joint project a lot in the past,
  2817. 2:07:42 Unknown speaker but I did want to share that we have
  2818. 2:07:44 Unknown speaker some brand new renderings from the arch
  2819. 2:07:46 Unknown speaker the developers architect that came in.
  2820. 2:07:48 Unknown speaker Um and so I'm going to share those right
  2821. 2:07:51 Unknown speaker now. This is from This would be from
  2822. 2:07:54 Unknown speaker Main Street looking southwest to at
  2823. 2:07:58 Unknown speaker First Avenue at the um mixeduse
  2824. 2:08:02 Unknown speaker development proposed by the developer.
  2825. 2:08:04 Unknown speaker Okay,
  2826. 2:08:06 Unknown speaker here's a view from the side of the
  2827. 2:08:09 Unknown speaker mixeduse building along Main Street.
  2828. 2:08:13 Unknown speaker [clears throat] Here's looking at the
  2829. 2:08:15 Unknown speaker wrap product with the uh parking garage.
  2830. 2:08:19 Unknown speaker So, this would be going north on Main
  2831. 2:08:21 Unknown speaker Street looking to the northwest.
  2832. 2:08:26 Unknown speaker And then here's our Coffman Street view
  2833. 2:08:27 Unknown speaker of our transit station. And you can see
  2834. 2:08:29 Unknown speaker the edge of the mixed use there on the
  2835. 2:08:31 Unknown speaker north end. So, we just want to share
  2836. 2:08:33 Unknown speaker these since they just came in this
  2837. 2:08:34 Unknown speaker afternoon.
  2838. 2:08:35 Unknown speaker Nice.
  2839. 2:08:36 Unknown speaker And then we're open for any questions
  2840. 2:08:37 Unknown speaker you might have.
  2841. 2:08:38 Unknown speaker Okay. Council member Koffer.
  2842. 2:08:42 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, we we've or I've
  2843. 2:08:45 Unknown speaker responded to some emails about the
  2844. 2:08:47 Unknown speaker number of parking spaces. Can you
  2845. 2:08:49 Unknown speaker clarify the number of parking spaces
  2846. 2:08:51 Unknown speaker that are just for the RTD park and ride
  2847. 2:08:53 Unknown speaker versus everything else?
  2848. 2:08:55 Unknown speaker Correct. So, we have the entire garage
  2849. 2:08:57 Unknown speaker will fit approximately 700 spaces. 350
  2850. 2:09:01 Unknown speaker are proposed to be leased for the mixed
  2851. 2:09:04 Unknown speaker use. And then we have um a portion I
  2852. 2:09:07 Unknown speaker have to pull up the exact number
  2853. 2:09:09 Unknown speaker specifically for RTD. 200
  2854. 2:09:11 Unknown speaker 200 specifically for RTD. Thank you. Um
  2855. 2:09:14 Unknown speaker and so that leaves
  2856. 2:09:16 Unknown speaker we are at 150 for for open parking.
  2857. 2:09:23 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have any other questions
  2858. 2:09:25 Unknown speaker from council? Um council member Popkin.
  2859. 2:09:29 Unknown speaker Uh thank you. Uh wow, so many questions
  2860. 2:09:31 Unknown speaker prompted by this rendering. I will keep
  2861. 2:09:33 Unknown speaker it to two or three. Um just on this
  2862. 2:09:35 Unknown speaker slide here or this picture is that are
  2863. 2:09:37 Unknown speaker those elements of public art that are
  2864. 2:09:38 Unknown speaker built in those like white slabs kind of
  2865. 2:09:40 Unknown speaker like floor to ceiling not floor to
  2866. 2:09:42 Unknown speaker ceiling but like second floor to
  2867. 2:09:44 Unknown speaker ceiling.
  2868. 2:09:44 Unknown speaker Those are historic photos of Longmont
  2869. 2:09:47 Unknown speaker and trainoriented
  2870. 2:09:49 Unknown speaker events that happened in history.
  2871. 2:09:51 Unknown speaker We had a train before. Um no we have
  2872. 2:09:54 Unknown speaker train going through right now from a
  2873. 2:09:55 Unknown speaker freight standpoint. Could you go to the
  2874. 2:09:56 Unknown speaker other uh one of the first ones you
  2875. 2:09:58 Unknown speaker showed?
  2876. 2:09:58 Unknown speaker So that's going to be engraved metal.
  2877. 2:10:00 Unknown speaker Oh that's cool.
  2878. 2:10:01 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  2879. 2:10:01 Unknown speaker That's going to look nice. Thank you.
  2880. 2:10:03 Unknown speaker Tell me when to stop.
  2881. 2:10:04 Unknown speaker Uh, keep going. One more. There we go.
  2882. 2:10:07 Unknown speaker Um, how final are the material
  2883. 2:10:10 Unknown speaker choices? And I'm just curious like I'm
  2884. 2:10:12 Unknown speaker I'm asking because you know a lot of our
  2885. 2:10:14 Unknown speaker downtown historically is brick and I see
  2886. 2:10:17 Unknown speaker this and like that really resonates with
  2887. 2:10:18 Unknown speaker me and I hear a lot from residents about
  2888. 2:10:20 Unknown speaker like the character and the material and
  2889. 2:10:21 Unknown speaker the design kind of the aesthetics
  2890. 2:10:23 Unknown speaker supporting the character that supports
  2891. 2:10:24 Unknown speaker the town. I just wondering it's Brian,
  2892. 2:10:26 Unknown speaker right?
  2893. 2:10:26 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2894. 2:10:27 Unknown speaker Yeah. Thanks, Brian. Hi. Um, yeah. How
  2895. 2:10:28 Unknown speaker how close are we on the material
  2896. 2:10:30 Unknown speaker considerations?
  2897. 2:10:31 Unknown speaker Sure. Yeah. Thank you, Brian Bear with
  2898. 2:10:33 Unknown speaker the uh first domain multif family
  2899. 2:10:35 Unknown speaker project. Uh we're pretty far down the
  2900. 2:10:37 Unknown speaker road here into our final submitt for the
  2901. 2:10:40 Unknown speaker SDP [clears throat]
  2902. 2:10:41 Unknown speaker and uh we're probably 100% complete with
  2903. 2:10:44 Unknown speaker design development drawings. So there is
  2904. 2:10:47 Unknown speaker still, you know, right up until we build
  2905. 2:10:49 Unknown speaker it, there still is possibility for some
  2906. 2:10:51 Unknown speaker changes, but we're pretty set on what
  2907. 2:10:53 Unknown speaker we're doing with uh the three or four
  2908. 2:10:55 Unknown speaker different types of materials along
  2909. 2:10:57 Unknown speaker you'll see along Main Street.
  2910. 2:10:58 Unknown speaker Sure. this building. The intent was
  2911. 2:11:00 Unknown speaker really to kind of look uh more historic
  2912. 2:11:02 Unknown speaker with the brick
  2913. 2:11:03 Unknown speaker and sort of match some of the other
  2914. 2:11:05 Unknown speaker things along Main Street.
  2915. 2:11:07 Unknown speaker Thank you. Yeah, it looks uh is is the
  2916. 2:11:10 Unknown speaker Imperial the one across from Dickens. Is
  2917. 2:11:11 Unknown speaker that what Yeah, it kind of looks like
  2918. 2:11:12 Unknown speaker it's mirroring some of the curvature and
  2919. 2:11:14 Unknown speaker the brick and the material. That that
  2920. 2:11:15 Unknown speaker looks that looks excellent in that
  2921. 2:11:17 Unknown speaker sense. I like the kind of slight design
  2922. 2:11:19 Unknown speaker adjustments as you get to the top to
  2923. 2:11:21 Unknown speaker kind of mimic some of the older
  2924. 2:11:22 Unknown speaker character there. So, really appreciate
  2925. 2:11:24 Unknown speaker the the nuance here. This is this is
  2926. 2:11:27 Unknown speaker exciting to see. Thank you.
  2927. 2:11:28 Unknown speaker Sure,
  2928. 2:11:33 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen.
  2929. 2:11:34 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Kind of a silly
  2930. 2:11:36 Unknown speaker question related to the pretty pictures.
  2931. 2:11:37 Unknown speaker Um, the on the metal engraving piece,
  2932. 2:11:40 Unknown speaker and this may be a question for you,
  2933. 2:11:41 Unknown speaker Brian. I I don't know. Is that are those
  2934. 2:11:44 Unknown speaker images the ones that'll actually be
  2935. 2:11:45 Unknown speaker there or is that an AIP question? Is
  2936. 2:11:48 Unknown speaker that like an AIP bid process? Is that
  2937. 2:11:51 Unknown speaker like is that is that piece of it final?
  2938. 2:11:53 Unknown speaker So, that piece is in progress right now.
  2939. 2:11:56 Unknown speaker That piece is not specifically going
  2940. 2:11:58 Unknown speaker through AIP. There is a different
  2941. 2:12:00 Unknown speaker element. Uh, but this one there are
  2942. 2:12:03 Unknown speaker we're working with the museum staff and
  2943. 2:12:05 Unknown speaker looking at what photos would be most
  2944. 2:12:08 Unknown speaker appropriate and you know the right scale
  2945. 2:12:10 Unknown speaker and
  2946. 2:12:11 Unknown speaker just get a photo of Harold up there.
  2947. 2:12:12 Unknown speaker Just a big photo of [laughter] Harold
  2948. 2:12:15 Unknown speaker just on the side of the No. Okay. No, I
  2949. 2:12:18 Unknown speaker think it No, I think it's great. I I I
  2950. 2:12:20 Unknown speaker want to just echo that the I I thought
  2951. 2:12:23 Unknown speaker Imperial Hotel 2. I had mentioned in the
  2952. 2:12:25 Unknown speaker past that the kind of boxy kind of
  2953. 2:12:27 Unknown speaker modern apartment buildings I think are
  2954. 2:12:28 Unknown speaker getting um architecturally not super
  2955. 2:12:31 Unknown speaker great. So this is this is great. Thank
  2956. 2:12:33 Unknown speaker you for bringing them.
  2957. 2:12:35 Unknown speaker Yes, I concur. So um
  2958. 2:12:38 Unknown speaker yeah and and with the photo of Harold
  2959. 2:12:39 Unknown speaker too. Yeah, let's do it. [laughter]
  2960. 2:12:41 Unknown speaker K. Oh, nope. Okay.
  2961. 2:12:46 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2962. 2:12:47 Unknown speaker He would
  2963. 2:12:49 Unknown speaker Okay. Um
  2964. 2:12:51 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you for that. And I mean
  2965. 2:12:55 Unknown speaker this is a great so we received a letter
  2966. 2:12:58 Unknown speaker from about transit oriented you know
  2967. 2:13:01 Unknown speaker just remember the email. So um it was
  2968. 2:13:05 Unknown speaker recently it was around Oh yeah you did
  2969. 2:13:08 Unknown speaker respond to that and it was you know we
  2970. 2:13:12 Unknown speaker are doing the work with transit oriented
  2971. 2:13:15 Unknown speaker development around these corridors. I
  2972. 2:13:18 Unknown speaker know there's been talk that we're not
  2973. 2:13:20 Unknown speaker doing enough. You know, I look at
  2974. 2:13:22 Unknown speaker projects such as this and in in
  2975. 2:13:24 Unknown speaker meaningful areas where there's access to
  2976. 2:13:27 Unknown speaker businesses, transit. I mean, this I
  2977. 2:13:30 Unknown speaker think this is um this is great. I'm I'm
  2978. 2:13:33 Unknown speaker excited for for what's to come,
  2979. 2:13:34 Unknown speaker especially with Front Range Community
  2980. 2:13:36 Unknown speaker College and the train and all these.
  2981. 2:13:38 Unknown speaker It's very exciting what's going to be um
  2982. 2:13:41 Unknown speaker in this area in the in the years to
  2983. 2:13:43 Unknown speaker come.
  2984. 2:13:43 Unknown speaker Mayor, if I may make a couple of
  2985. 2:13:45 Unknown speaker comments related to that. I've had a few
  2986. 2:13:46 Unknown speaker conversations. So one I think when we
  2987. 2:13:48 Unknown speaker look at the entire area and this came up
  2988. 2:13:51 Unknown speaker during the front range conversation is
  2989. 2:13:53 Unknown speaker we obviously want to minimize the amount
  2990. 2:13:56 Unknown speaker of surface parking
  2991. 2:13:57 Unknown speaker and so in order to do that you focus on
  2992. 2:14:00 Unknown speaker structured parking to accomplish that
  2993. 2:14:03 Unknown speaker goal and from the beginning um what
  2994. 2:14:06 Unknown speaker we've looked at is not just providing
  2995. 2:14:09 Unknown speaker parking for one particular function in
  2996. 2:14:11 Unknown speaker one area but to look at the entire area
  2997. 2:14:14 Unknown speaker and and produce parking that can support
  2998. 2:14:17 Unknown speaker everything within this broader
  2999. 2:14:19 Unknown speaker geographic region. So I think when we
  3000. 2:14:21 Unknown speaker hear
  3001. 2:14:22 Unknown speaker this is what we see at other RTD
  3002. 2:14:24 Unknown speaker facilities,
  3003. 2:14:25 Unknown speaker it's not really taking into account that
  3004. 2:14:27 Unknown speaker this is more than just a bus facility.
  3005. 2:14:30 Unknown speaker This is going to include passenger rail.
  3006. 2:14:33 Unknown speaker This is going to include ride long line.
  3007. 2:14:35 Unknown speaker This also has the housing component of
  3008. 2:14:38 Unknown speaker it, front range component of it. So even
  3009. 2:14:40 Unknown speaker when we look on the east side of the
  3010. 2:14:42 Unknown speaker street as we're moving there, we had
  3011. 2:14:44 Unknown speaker some designs where initially there's
  3012. 2:14:46 Unknown speaker parking lots, but the incre the phased
  3013. 2:14:48 Unknown speaker approach is to build other buildings
  3014. 2:14:50 Unknown speaker within those areas. We're contemplating
  3015. 2:14:53 Unknown speaker another parking structure.
  3016. 2:14:55 Unknown speaker So we're trying to strategically look at
  3017. 2:14:57 Unknown speaker where do we place parking structures to
  3018. 2:14:59 Unknown speaker maximize the development area so we can
  3019. 2:15:02 Unknown speaker fully develop everything, but we also
  3020. 2:15:04 Unknown speaker don't want to overbuild parking either.
  3021. 2:15:06 Unknown speaker Yes. Yeah. So, we're we're managing all
  3022. 2:15:09 Unknown speaker of those pieces, but it's not just this
  3023. 2:15:11 Unknown speaker project.
  3024. 2:15:13 Unknown speaker We're looking at a really large area in
  3025. 2:15:15 Unknown speaker terms of what is that going to look like
  3026. 2:15:17 Unknown speaker when it's fully built out.
  3027. 2:15:19 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um, Council Member
  3028. 2:15:22 Unknown speaker Koffer.
  3029. 2:15:23 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, Harold, who's
  3030. 2:15:24 Unknown speaker going to maintain the garage? Is it
  3031. 2:15:26 Unknown speaker going to be us? Is it going to be RTD?
  3032. 2:15:27 Unknown speaker Is it going to be DVO?
  3033. 2:15:29 Unknown speaker That is going to be us. um based on the
  3034. 2:15:31 Unknown speaker way the debt's structured in the coops
  3035. 2:15:34 Unknown speaker um we've looked at some other options
  3036. 2:15:36 Unknown speaker but because we have the obligation we're
  3037. 2:15:39 Unknown speaker going to maintain it that being said
  3038. 2:15:41 Unknown speaker there are be there there there are
  3039. 2:15:44 Unknown speaker components within the agreements of
  3040. 2:15:45 Unknown speaker where we're going to have maintenance
  3041. 2:15:47 Unknown speaker agreements on the lease spaces we're
  3042. 2:15:49 Unknown speaker also going to have maintenance
  3043. 2:15:50 Unknown speaker agreements with RTD in terms of what's
  3044. 2:15:53 Unknown speaker part of the maintenance that's purely
  3045. 2:15:55 Unknown speaker associated with really the ground floor
  3046. 2:15:57 Unknown speaker function so there will be revenue
  3047. 2:15:59 Unknown speaker streams coming in to offset the
  3048. 2:16:01 Unknown speaker maintenance cost. And then what you
  3049. 2:16:03 Unknown speaker can't see on this is the top deck
  3050. 2:16:05 Unknown speaker actually is going to have solar panels
  3051. 2:16:06 Unknown speaker on it. Um that
  3052. 2:16:10 Unknown speaker LPC's
  3053. 2:16:11 Unknown speaker pro they are participating in this
  3054. 2:16:13 Unknown speaker project with solar panels as part of
  3055. 2:16:15 Unknown speaker what we're looking at for the
  3056. 2:16:17 Unknown speaker distributed energy system. Um so this is
  3057. 2:16:20 Unknown speaker really when we say multiple parties,
  3058. 2:16:23 Unknown speaker there's a lot but we're not going to
  3059. 2:16:24 Unknown speaker absorb 100% of the cost of the
  3060. 2:16:27 Unknown speaker maintenance. That'll be split out.
  3061. 2:16:28 Unknown speaker Sure. And then I love hanging out on
  3062. 2:16:30 Unknown speaker next door. And one comment from uh from
  3063. 2:16:32 Unknown speaker one of the posts is just it's going to
  3064. 2:16:34 Unknown speaker be another place for the unhoused or
  3065. 2:16:36 Unknown speaker homeless to uh to kind of uh hang out
  3066. 2:16:39 Unknown speaker and who's going to maintain the the
  3067. 2:16:41 Unknown speaker safety and the security of the structure
  3068. 2:16:42 Unknown speaker as well.
  3069. 2:16:43 Unknown speaker So we're in conversations right now. So
  3070. 2:16:45 Unknown speaker it's going to be a joint effort. So when
  3071. 2:16:46 Unknown speaker we look at it, um we are [clears throat]
  3072. 2:16:49 Unknown speaker going to have u for security reasons
  3073. 2:16:51 Unknown speaker cameras on every floor. Um we're going
  3074. 2:16:54 Unknown speaker to be partnering with RTD on that. So,
  3075. 2:16:56 Unknown speaker they'll have the camera feed as well.
  3076. 2:16:58 Unknown speaker Um, and then, um, Zach has been talking
  3077. 2:17:01 Unknown speaker with the RTD police chief in terms of
  3078. 2:17:04 Unknown speaker who gets first response on the calls.
  3079. 2:17:06 Unknown speaker It's going to be us. Um, we're also
  3080. 2:17:08 Unknown speaker there's going to be some call boxes um,
  3081. 2:17:11 Unknown speaker in the area as well. Um, so all of those
  3082. 2:17:14 Unknown speaker things are being managed in different
  3083. 2:17:17 Unknown speaker ways.
  3084. 2:17:18 Unknown speaker So, you would be comfortable leaving
  3085. 2:17:19 Unknown speaker your car here for two weeks while you go
  3086. 2:17:21 Unknown speaker to the airport?
  3087. 2:17:21 Unknown speaker Yep. Thanks.
  3088. 2:17:24 Unknown speaker Okay,
  3089. 2:17:24 Unknown speaker great. Thank you. Council member Marcen.
  3090. 2:17:27 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I was actually going
  3091. 2:17:28 Unknown speaker to move it, but I see other lights, so I
  3092. 2:17:30 Unknown speaker I'll hold
  3093. 2:17:30 Unknown speaker Oh, is there Okay, Council Member
  3094. 2:17:32 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  3095. 2:17:33 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Just uh maybe one,
  3096. 2:17:36 Unknown speaker maybe two questions here. Um
  3097. 2:17:38 Unknown speaker do we know if the future AL route or the
  3098. 2:17:41 Unknown speaker current AL route would be kind of future
  3099. 2:17:43 Unknown speaker kind of going through this point? Is
  3100. 2:17:45 Unknown speaker that the goal to either add that stop or
  3101. 2:17:48 Unknown speaker shift around?
  3102. 2:17:49 Unknown speaker Everything's going to be focused in this
  3103. 2:17:50 Unknown speaker area.
  3104. 2:17:51 Unknown speaker So for for regional connectivity, great.
  3105. 2:17:53 Unknown speaker Um, and then the one thing that I see
  3106. 2:17:56 Unknown speaker when I see a parking garage, and this
  3107. 2:17:57 Unknown speaker one looks very well designed. Thank you.
  3108. 2:17:59 Unknown speaker Um, is a lot of gray infrastructure,
  3109. 2:18:02 Unknown speaker right? And yes, I see some tree
  3110. 2:18:03 Unknown speaker renderings here. And if we can go back
  3111. 2:18:05 Unknown speaker to the Let's see. Yeah, a little bit. A
  3112. 2:18:08 Unknown speaker little bit. One more. Go back to my
  3113. 2:18:11 Unknown speaker favorite view. Yeah, that one. Still a
  3114. 2:18:12 Unknown speaker few street trees. Great. But I I see a
  3115. 2:18:14 Unknown speaker lot of gray infrastructure, which means
  3116. 2:18:16 Unknown speaker there's not much water absorption
  3117. 2:18:18 Unknown speaker happening. Are we looking at like green
  3118. 2:18:20 Unknown speaker roofs on the top of the the residential?
  3119. 2:18:22 Unknown speaker How are we managing like storm water and
  3120. 2:18:24 Unknown speaker especially given the proximity to our
  3121. 2:18:25 Unknown speaker greenway and open space areas, how are
  3122. 2:18:27 Unknown speaker we thinking about the water system
  3123. 2:18:28 Unknown speaker there?
  3124. 2:18:28 Unknown speaker So from a storm water perspective, we
  3125. 2:18:31 Unknown speaker are actually creating we're we're taking
  3126. 2:18:33 Unknown speaker a regional storm water approach. So
  3127. 2:18:35 Unknown speaker there will be a detention pond that's
  3128. 2:18:38 Unknown speaker going to be built on the Royal Mobile
  3129. 2:18:40 Unknown speaker Home property that we own. um
  3130. 2:18:43 Unknown speaker that's southwest of this
  3131. 2:18:44 Unknown speaker south immediately adjacent to the river
  3132. 2:18:46 Unknown speaker and that's intentionally being designed
  3133. 2:18:49 Unknown speaker to handle the storm water from a larger
  3134. 2:18:51 Unknown speaker area.
  3135. 2:18:52 Unknown speaker Um and so then as other things develop
  3136. 2:18:55 Unknown speaker they can buy into it or if um let's say
  3137. 2:18:58 Unknown speaker we had a particular desire for something
  3138. 2:19:00 Unknown speaker we could use that as an incentive. Um
  3139. 2:19:03 Unknown speaker that's connected to the storm water
  3140. 2:19:05 Unknown speaker associated with Kaufman Street. And then
  3141. 2:19:08 Unknown speaker along this, what's hard to see is there
  3142. 2:19:10 Unknown speaker are planners um and and other
  3143. 2:19:13 Unknown speaker components. And so they're designing
  3144. 2:19:14 Unknown speaker this to be in compliance with it. What
  3145. 2:19:17 Unknown speaker we're trying to do is really mimic that
  3146. 2:19:19 Unknown speaker fill from downtown in terms of the tree
  3147. 2:19:21 Unknown speaker gr the tree planters and continuing that
  3148. 2:19:24 Unknown speaker as you move from the historic downtown
  3149. 2:19:28 Unknown speaker this area for continuity.
  3150. 2:19:29 Unknown speaker Yeah. Okay.
  3151. 2:19:31 Unknown speaker Great. And then if I'm just
  3152. 2:19:32 Unknown speaker understanding the area across the street
  3153. 2:19:34 Unknown speaker from this view, across Main Street from
  3154. 2:19:35 Unknown speaker this view is the South Main St. Correct.
  3155. 2:19:38 Unknown speaker And that's a
  3156. 2:19:40 Unknown speaker Yeah, you would be looking at it from
  3157. 2:19:42 Unknown speaker South Main Station.
  3158. 2:19:44 Unknown speaker Yeah, correct. That's that's
  3159. 2:19:45 Unknown speaker approximately what? That's four stories
  3160. 2:19:47 Unknown speaker with an accessible rooftop if I
  3161. 2:19:49 Unknown speaker understand corre if I remember
  3162. 2:19:50 Unknown speaker correctly. Right.
  3163. 2:19:51 Unknown speaker It is four stories, right?
  3164. 2:19:53 Unknown speaker He knows it better than we I mean, he he
  3165. 2:19:55 Unknown speaker built it. So,
  3166. 2:19:56 Unknown speaker correct. Four stories along Maine. Um,
  3167. 2:20:00 Unknown speaker one of the one of the buildings,
  3168. 2:20:01 Unknown speaker building four that's sort of off main
  3169. 2:20:04 Unknown speaker where Kimbar would go through that has a
  3170. 2:20:06 Unknown speaker roof deck on it.
  3171. 2:20:07 Unknown speaker Gotcha. So there's kind of a fourth and
  3172. 2:20:08 Unknown speaker a half story if you will. Yeah. Okay. I
  3173. 2:20:11 Unknown speaker just I because I've been up to the roof
  3174. 2:20:12 Unknown speaker of Hotel Longmont now and I look down
  3175. 2:20:14 Unknown speaker when I'm when we're thinking about this
  3176. 2:20:16 Unknown speaker planning. I I think about like, hey,
  3177. 2:20:17 Unknown speaker how's this how how tall is this going to
  3178. 2:20:19 Unknown speaker be relative to what we have around
  3179. 2:20:20 Unknown speaker there? And I'm looking down, not uh
  3180. 2:20:23 Unknown speaker figuratively or literally looking down
  3181. 2:20:26 Unknown speaker on uh South Main Station from from that
  3182. 2:20:28 Unknown speaker hotel, which is only five stories, but
  3183. 2:20:29 Unknown speaker because of the hill, like it I don't
  3184. 2:20:31 Unknown speaker think it's going to feel overpowering
  3185. 2:20:33 Unknown speaker here, and I appreciate the design
  3186. 2:20:34 Unknown speaker aesthetic. I think that's going to help
  3187. 2:20:36 Unknown speaker mitigate that, too. So, thank you.
  3188. 2:20:40 Unknown speaker Great, Council Member Prietto.
  3189. 2:20:43 Unknown speaker Well, this is exciting. Um, question
  3190. 2:20:45 Unknown speaker regarding First Avenue towards South
  3191. 2:20:48 Unknown speaker Pratt Parkway. What are the plans? I've
  3192. 2:20:50 Unknown speaker heard different
  3193. 2:20:53 Unknown speaker feedback as far as like one lane closing
  3194. 2:20:56 Unknown speaker it off. Like what is what is the city
  3195. 2:20:58 Unknown speaker thinking about as far as that straight
  3196. 2:21:00 Unknown speaker goes?
  3197. 2:21:01 Unknown speaker So
  3198. 2:21:03 Unknown speaker So a few things we can we cannot close
  3199. 2:21:05 Unknown speaker that off as long as there's um property
  3200. 2:21:08 Unknown speaker owners that are we have a a mobile home
  3201. 2:21:11 Unknown speaker multif family mobile home park there. So
  3202. 2:21:13 Unknown speaker the road cannot be closed off as long as
  3203. 2:21:17 Unknown speaker people are living there and and so
  3204. 2:21:20 Unknown speaker they're working through the design on
  3205. 2:21:22 Unknown speaker the rail platform because that's going
  3206. 2:21:23 Unknown speaker to be across the street. It is highly
  3207. 2:21:25 Unknown speaker likely that it'll be one way.
  3208. 2:21:27 Unknown speaker Okay. um into
  3209. 2:21:30 Unknown speaker and and everybody's still debating which
  3210. 2:21:32 Unknown speaker direction, but for example, you could go
  3211. 2:21:35 Unknown speaker west into Kaufman as you're leaving and
  3212. 2:21:37 Unknown speaker then you could go um south on Kaufman,
  3213. 2:21:40 Unknown speaker north on Kaufman, or you could go to
  3214. 2:21:42 Unknown speaker Main Street. Coming in, you'd have to
  3215. 2:21:44 Unknown speaker come in on Pratt. But I just to be
  3216. 2:21:48 Unknown speaker frank, I do think it's going to have to
  3217. 2:21:50 Unknown speaker be one way based on the platform design
  3218. 2:21:55 Unknown speaker um that and the space that's needed. But
  3219. 2:21:58 Unknown speaker um the engineers are working it so it's
  3220. 2:22:01 Unknown speaker hard to say exactly at this point. They
  3221. 2:22:03 Unknown speaker may be able to do something different.
  3222. 2:22:05 Unknown speaker But I don't want to set a false
  3223. 2:22:06 Unknown speaker expectation that it won't change. I do
  3224. 2:22:09 Unknown speaker think it's probably once the platform's
  3225. 2:22:11 Unknown speaker built is going to be one way that's not
  3226. 2:22:13 Unknown speaker related to this project. It's related to
  3227. 2:22:15 Unknown speaker the rail platform.
  3228. 2:22:16 Unknown speaker The rail platform. And then just
  3229. 2:22:18 Unknown speaker thinking about the surrounding like the
  3230. 2:22:20 Unknown speaker the neighborhood
  3231. 2:22:22 Unknown speaker uh the trailer park or the mobile home
  3232. 2:22:24 Unknown speaker park. And then there's a couple uh
  3233. 2:22:27 Unknown speaker single family homes. Um there are no
  3234. 2:22:30 Unknown speaker sidewalks on First Avenue.
  3235. 2:22:32 Unknown speaker That's part of the design.
  3236. 2:22:33 Unknown speaker That's going to be part of the design.
  3237. 2:22:34 Unknown speaker So I'm just thinking about the impact,
  3238. 2:22:36 Unknown speaker the increased traffic and the kids that
  3239. 2:22:39 Unknown speaker live on the block. Um, and then I
  3240. 2:22:42 Unknown speaker noticed that um,
  3241. 2:22:43 Unknown speaker if I can jump in, that's one of the
  3242. 2:22:45 Unknown speaker thing that things that Alden has been
  3243. 2:22:47 Unknown speaker talking about in the design is not only
  3244. 2:22:49 Unknown speaker the sidewalks that support the rail
  3245. 2:22:50 Unknown speaker platform,
  3246. 2:22:51 Unknown speaker but to see if they can manage some
  3247. 2:22:53 Unknown speaker sidewalks on the south side.
  3248. 2:22:56 Unknown speaker Again, working through those issues, but
  3249. 2:22:58 Unknown speaker that is front and center for us.
  3250. 2:22:59 Unknown speaker Perfect. And then the last question I
  3251. 2:23:01 Unknown speaker have that I'm a little curious about
  3252. 2:23:03 Unknown speaker just regarding the neighborhoods to the
  3253. 2:23:06 Unknown speaker west. Um I do see in this design that
  3254. 2:23:10 Unknown speaker there are uh residential units up
  3255. 2:23:12 Unknown speaker against First Avenue.
  3256. 2:23:16 Unknown speaker What is this? How does the city kind of
  3257. 2:23:17 Unknown speaker go around
  3258. 2:23:19 Unknown speaker ensuring like how does that happen? And
  3259. 2:23:21 Unknown speaker like cuz I'm I'm assuming that these
  3260. 2:23:24 Unknown speaker residential units will be able to look
  3261. 2:23:26 Unknown speaker over certain residences and so what is
  3262. 2:23:30 Unknown speaker like what can be
  3263. 2:23:32 Unknown speaker done or what has been done in the past
  3264. 2:23:34 Unknown speaker or how does the city support certain
  3265. 2:23:37 Unknown speaker residences to ensure that if they're
  3266. 2:23:40 Unknown speaker bathing in the backyard they don't have
  3267. 2:23:42 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  3268. 2:23:45 Unknown speaker a fan club.
  3269. 2:23:47 Unknown speaker So just to orient us
  3270. 2:23:48 Unknown speaker sunbathing I'm sorry sunbathing
  3271. 2:23:50 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  3272. 2:23:50 Unknown speaker here to orient us this this I don't know
  3273. 2:23:53 Unknown speaker if you can see my cursor here. So this
  3274. 2:23:55 Unknown speaker at the northwest corner this is front uh
  3275. 2:23:59 Unknown speaker first avenue right up here. So these are
  3276. 2:24:01 Unknown speaker the units that would be facing in that
  3277. 2:24:04 Unknown speaker direction. But if you look at an aerial,
  3278. 2:24:07 Unknown speaker which I don't have prepped and ready, um
  3279. 2:24:09 Unknown speaker we do there is still some land in
  3280. 2:24:13 Unknown speaker between this that separates from the
  3281. 2:24:15 Unknown speaker residential area specifically.
  3282. 2:24:18 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3283. 2:24:19 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, a couple of things that are in
  3284. 2:24:21 Unknown speaker play. Um so, we we have some property
  3285. 2:24:23 Unknown speaker that um just to the to the left of this
  3286. 2:24:27 Unknown speaker image. Um I also think there's property
  3287. 2:24:30 Unknown speaker that's for sale immediately across the
  3288. 2:24:33 Unknown speaker street right now.
  3289. 2:24:35 Unknown speaker Um,
  3290. 2:24:36 Unknown speaker I think it's a cabinet or
  3291. 2:24:39 Unknown speaker Don's custom cabinets.
  3292. 2:24:40 Unknown speaker No, it's it's the other one. So, there's
  3293. 2:24:42 Unknown speaker another one that I think is for sale in
  3294. 2:24:44 Unknown speaker the area. Um,
  3295. 2:24:46 Unknown speaker so, you know, I don't know what's going
  3296. 2:24:49 Unknown speaker to happen with that. Um,
  3297. 2:24:52 Unknown speaker but typically, I mean, this is it goes
  3298. 2:24:55 Unknown speaker through a normal process as we review
  3299. 2:24:57 Unknown speaker it. There's not as many looking west
  3300. 2:25:01 Unknown speaker simply because I think it's a bit of a
  3301. 2:25:03 Unknown speaker cutout in there. Am I correct, Brian?
  3302. 2:25:05 Unknown speaker So, it's not solid like it is that you
  3303. 2:25:08 Unknown speaker see from Main Street because it's almost
  3304. 2:25:10 Unknown speaker a horseshoe
  3305. 2:25:11 Unknown speaker that comes in because that's going to
  3306. 2:25:12 Unknown speaker have parking for
  3307. 2:25:15 Unknown speaker that building and some their amenities.
  3308. 2:25:18 Unknown speaker We do have we do have a figure in here.
  3309. 2:25:21 Unknown speaker I know Ariel. There we go.
  3310. 2:25:26 Unknown speaker So, you'll see here that there is that
  3311. 2:25:28 Unknown speaker land that we're talking about that's
  3312. 2:25:29 Unknown speaker kind of a buffer currently between them.
  3313. 2:25:32 Unknown speaker The blue areas is the the edge of the
  3314. 2:25:36 Unknown speaker parcels that would be making up the
  3315. 2:25:38 Unknown speaker transit station area.
  3316. 2:25:39 Unknown speaker And then part of the landscaping on
  3317. 2:25:40 Unknown speaker Kaufman Street as Kaufman's running
  3318. 2:25:42 Unknown speaker through there does include trees and
  3319. 2:25:44 Unknown speaker other things as well.
  3320. 2:25:46 Unknown speaker Um that's going to be on both sides of
  3321. 2:25:48 Unknown speaker the street.
  3322. 2:25:49 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3323. 2:25:50 Unknown speaker That's helpful. Thank you.
  3324. 2:25:51 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you. Um, seeing no
  3325. 2:25:54 Unknown speaker one else, um, I will now open the public
  3326. 2:25:57 Unknown speaker hearing for ordinance 2026-
  3327. 2:26:00 Unknown speaker Whoops, I lost it. 70. Um, is there
  3328. 2:26:04 Unknown speaker nobody had signed up? Is there anyone in
  3329. 2:26:06 Unknown speaker the audience who wishes to speak on this
  3330. 2:26:08 Unknown speaker item?
  3331. 2:26:09 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3332. 2:26:12 Unknown speaker No. Seeing none, I will close the public
  3333. 2:26:14 Unknown speaker hearing. May I have a motion to pass and
  3334. 2:26:16 Unknown speaker adopt ordinance 2026-70?
  3335. 2:26:19 Unknown speaker So, the motion was made by Mayor um
  3336. 2:26:22 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom McCoy, seconded. I did hear
  3337. 2:26:25 Unknown speaker Popkin first. I mean, I'll give it to
  3338. 2:26:28 Unknown speaker you. I'll give you the second. No, I
  3339. 2:26:30 Unknown speaker heard McCoy first, then Popkin
  3340. 2:26:33 Unknown speaker May the second. So, I'm giving him the
  3341. 2:26:35 Unknown speaker second and then Yep. [laughter]
  3342. 2:26:38 Unknown speaker And seeing no one in the queue, let's go
  3343. 2:26:40 Unknown speaker ahead and vote.
  3344. 2:26:50 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  3345. 2:26:53 Unknown speaker are now on to item um ordinance I'm
  3346. 2:26:56 Unknown speaker sorry, item G, ordinance 2026-71,
  3347. 2:26:59 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance amending section
  3348. 2:27:02 Unknown speaker 2.04 of the Longmont Municipal Code
  3349. 2:27:04 Unknown speaker regarding elections to remain consistent
  3350. 2:27:07 Unknown speaker with statutory election laws. Are there
  3351. 2:27:09 Unknown speaker any questions from council? Seeing none,
  3352. 2:27:12 Unknown speaker I will open the public hearing on
  3353. 2:27:14 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-71.
  3354. 2:27:16 Unknown speaker There was no one signed up. Is there
  3355. 2:27:18 Unknown speaker anyone who wishes to speak on this item?
  3356. 2:27:21 Unknown speaker Okay. Seeing none, I will now close the
  3357. 2:27:23 Unknown speaker public hearing. May I have a motion to
  3358. 2:27:24 Unknown speaker pass and adopt ordinance 2026-71?
  3359. 2:27:28 Unknown speaker Okay. The motion was made by Mayor Prom
  3360. 2:27:30 Unknown speaker McCoy, seconded by Council Member
  3361. 2:27:32 Unknown speaker Coloffer. Seeing no one in the queue,
  3362. 2:27:35 Unknown speaker let's go ahead and vote.
  3363. 2:27:41 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  3364. 2:27:44 Unknown speaker are now on to item H, ordinance 2026-72,
  3365. 2:27:48 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance amending chapter
  3366. 2:27:50 Unknown speaker 2.44 of the Long Mount Municipal Code to
  3367. 2:27:53 Unknown speaker abolish the Gulf Course Advisory Board.
  3368. 2:27:56 Unknown speaker Are there any questions from council?
  3369. 2:27:58 Unknown speaker Okay, seeing none, I will now open the
  3370. 2:28:00 Unknown speaker public hearing on ordinance 2026-72.
  3371. 2:28:03 Unknown speaker There was no one signed up. Is there
  3372. 2:28:05 Unknown speaker anyone wishing to speak on this item?
  3373. 2:28:07 Unknown speaker Okay. Seeing none, I will now close the
  3374. 2:28:09 Unknown speaker public hearing on ordinance 2026-72.
  3375. 2:28:13 Unknown speaker Can I have a motion to pass and adopt
  3376. 2:28:15 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-72?
  3377. 2:28:18 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion was uh wellver.
  3378. 2:28:21 Unknown speaker Yeah, I heard you like a millisecond
  3379. 2:28:23 Unknown speaker first. So, [laughter]
  3380. 2:28:26 Unknown speaker got sharp ears. Um so, Council Member
  3381. 2:28:29 Unknown speaker Christ um made the motion. It was
  3382. 2:28:31 Unknown speaker seconded by Mayor Prom. See no one in
  3383. 2:28:34 Unknown speaker the queue. Let's go ahead and vote.
  3384. 2:28:43 Unknown speaker Okay, we uh that carries unanimously. We
  3385. 2:28:46 Unknown speaker are now on to item I um ordinance
  3386. 2:28:50 Unknown speaker 2026-76,
  3387. 2:28:52 Unknown speaker a resolution of the Longmont City
  3388. 2:28:54 Unknown speaker Council exempting art and public places
  3389. 2:28:56 Unknown speaker funding requirements in connection with
  3390. 2:28:58 Unknown speaker the first and main transit uh center. Um
  3391. 2:29:02 Unknown speaker do we have were you going to show
  3392. 2:29:04 Unknown speaker pictures?
  3393. 2:29:04 Unknown speaker I'm back.
  3394. 2:29:05 Unknown speaker Oh, you're back. [laughter] Okay, so
  3395. 2:29:07 Unknown speaker this one we do have a brief presentation
  3396. 2:29:09 Unknown speaker and I'll keep it brief and then save
  3397. 2:29:11 Unknown speaker most of our time for questions. We also
  3398. 2:29:12 Unknown speaker do have Angela Bril, our staff that uh
  3399. 2:29:15 Unknown speaker works on the AIP program here or maybe
  3400. 2:29:18 Unknown speaker in the other room and coming. Um,
  3401. 2:29:20 Unknown speaker fantastic. There she is. Um, [snorts]
  3402. 2:29:23 Unknown speaker all right. Here's your requested action
  3403. 2:29:26 Unknown speaker tonight. This is a resolution, but it
  3404. 2:29:28 Unknown speaker does require a public hearing. Uh the
  3405. 2:29:32 Unknown speaker question um for you tonight is that
  3406. 2:29:35 Unknown speaker typically 1% of all city CIP
  3407. 2:29:39 Unknown speaker construction projects that meet certain
  3408. 2:29:41 Unknown speaker thresholds would contribute um 1% of
  3409. 2:29:44 Unknown speaker those costs to an art and public places
  3410. 2:29:47 Unknown speaker program. The funding sources for this
  3411. 2:29:50 Unknown speaker project are varied and the code language
  3412. 2:29:54 Unknown speaker requires that um this is really the AIP
  3413. 2:29:58 Unknown speaker contribution applies to funding that is
  3414. 2:30:01 Unknown speaker not restricted in terms of the use
  3415. 2:30:03 Unknown speaker that's allowable. So in this project we
  3416. 2:30:05 Unknown speaker have in the transit station project we
  3417. 2:30:07 Unknown speaker have RTD funds uh DOA funds for the
  3418. 2:30:10 Unknown speaker transit oriented communities
  3419. 2:30:12 Unknown speaker infrastructure program and we have
  3420. 2:30:14 Unknown speaker certificates of participation going in
  3421. 2:30:17 Unknown speaker all of which are not are going to be um
  3422. 2:30:20 Unknown speaker outside the realm of the AIP
  3423. 2:30:22 Unknown speaker contribution. [snorts] So council I
  3424. 2:30:24 Unknown speaker should say municipal code allows council
  3425. 2:30:26 Unknown speaker to exempt improvements after a public
  3426. 2:30:28 Unknown speaker hearing. So, in this case, for this
  3427. 2:30:31 Unknown speaker project, we wanted to include public art
  3428. 2:30:34 Unknown speaker anyway. And so, um, the staff proposes
  3429. 2:30:37 Unknown speaker to set aside $200,000 in the project
  3430. 2:30:40 Unknown speaker budget to integrate a mural on the first
  3431. 2:30:43 Unknown speaker and main transit station on that south
  3432. 2:30:45 Unknown speaker facing wall, and I'll show that here
  3433. 2:30:47 Unknown speaker again in a moment, rather than
  3434. 2:30:49 Unknown speaker contributing to the 1% fund. um the
  3435. 2:30:52 Unknown speaker project I should say the art that is
  3436. 2:30:54 Unknown speaker selected for that project would still go
  3437. 2:30:56 Unknown speaker through the AIP engagement process and
  3438. 2:31:00 Unknown speaker um go through um review with the panel
  3439. 2:31:03 Unknown speaker and go through a selection process etc.
  3440. 2:31:07 Unknown speaker So I just want to show you here's our
  3441. 2:31:10 Unknown speaker approximate south facade of that transit
  3442. 2:31:12 Unknown speaker station garage
  3443. 2:31:14 Unknown speaker and this is
  3444. 2:31:17 Unknown speaker these are our old ones. Oopsies. We have
  3445. 2:31:19 Unknown speaker an old presentation up, but I'm going to
  3446. 2:31:22 Unknown speaker the that new photo that you just saw in
  3447. 2:31:24 Unknown speaker the last presentation um showed this
  3448. 2:31:26 Unknown speaker facade right here. So, it's really this
  3449. 2:31:28 Unknown speaker area that would be um have the mural and
  3450. 2:31:32 Unknown speaker it really does look like a nice gateway
  3451. 2:31:34 Unknown speaker into the lower downtown area.
  3452. 2:31:37 Unknown speaker So, I probably have a different PDF up
  3453. 2:31:39 Unknown speaker here somewhere that I didn't pull, but I
  3454. 2:31:42 Unknown speaker can look for it if you'd like to see it
  3455. 2:31:43 Unknown speaker more closely.
  3456. 2:31:46 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, do we have any
  3457. 2:31:50 Unknown speaker questions from council? Council member
  3458. 2:31:53 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  3459. 2:31:54 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Molly.
  3460. 2:31:56 Unknown speaker Can we throw the other picture back up
  3461. 2:31:58 Unknown speaker again?
  3462. 2:31:58 Unknown speaker Sure.
  3463. 2:32:00 Unknown speaker Yes. Um, this one,
  3464. 2:32:02 Unknown speaker this is slightly unrelated. It's related
  3465. 2:32:04 Unknown speaker to the art by function. Um, but I'm
  3466. 2:32:06 Unknown speaker curious what's happening between the two
  3467. 2:32:08 Unknown speaker buildings. Is that an alley, like an
  3468. 2:32:11 Unknown speaker access alley for safety? Like, I'm just
  3469. 2:32:13 Unknown speaker trying to understand kind of.
  3470. 2:32:14 Unknown speaker Let me pull up that other
  3471. 2:32:14 Unknown speaker from a gateway visual standpoint.
  3472. 2:32:18 Unknown speaker design.
  3473. 2:32:20 Unknown speaker Yes, could be the case.
  3474. 2:32:22 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's an old design. Here's this
  3475. 2:32:24 Unknown speaker is the one we want. I'm not sure why it
  3476. 2:32:27 Unknown speaker made it look like it was
  3477. 2:32:29 Unknown speaker more recent.
  3478. 2:32:35 Unknown speaker Okay. So, what you can see here, if you
  3479. 2:32:37 Unknown speaker can just kind of zoom yourself in,
  3480. 2:32:39 Unknown speaker there's a drive access into the garage
  3481. 2:32:41 Unknown speaker from this corner right here. And
  3482. 2:32:44 Unknown speaker [snorts] so between the two, I'd have to
  3483. 2:32:46 Unknown speaker look at the designs more closely. And of
  3484. 2:32:47 Unknown speaker course, Brian, our our design expert on
  3485. 2:32:50 Unknown speaker the mixeduse, just took off for the
  3486. 2:32:52 Unknown speaker night. But do you have any detail about
  3487. 2:32:54 Unknown speaker what exactly how they how the two
  3488. 2:32:57 Unknown speaker connect in that area?
  3489. 2:33:00 Unknown speaker Between the parking garage and the in
  3490. 2:33:02 Unknown speaker the building to the west
  3491. 2:33:04 Unknown speaker or are you talking to the south here?
  3492. 2:33:07 Unknown speaker Yeah. Between the one
  3493. 2:33:10 Unknown speaker and
  3494. 2:33:11 Unknown speaker so that's that's a driveway and
  3495. 2:33:14 Unknown speaker driveway.
  3496. 2:33:14 Unknown speaker That's a driveway and
  3497. 2:33:15 Unknown speaker it's more like I'm what what I
  3498. 2:33:17 Unknown speaker understood the question to be
  3499. 2:33:19 Unknown speaker how do these two interface right here
  3500. 2:33:22 Unknown speaker the two buildings?
  3501. 2:33:23 Unknown speaker Is that the question?
  3502. 2:33:24 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  3503. 2:33:25 Unknown speaker Um they abut. Um
  3504. 2:33:27 Unknown speaker oh so they're it's just the angle right
  3505. 2:33:28 Unknown speaker now.
  3506. 2:33:29 Unknown speaker It's just the angle that you're seeing
  3507. 2:33:30 Unknown speaker it. Um, and in the foundation design,
  3508. 2:33:33 Unknown speaker they had to play with shear a little bit
  3509. 2:33:35 Unknown speaker in terms of the parking garage, but it
  3510. 2:33:37 Unknown speaker there's not going to be a space.
  3511. 2:33:38 Unknown speaker Gotcha. Thank you. Okay. So, then moving
  3512. 2:33:40 Unknown speaker back to the art piece of this. So, I
  3513. 2:33:41 Unknown speaker Molly, I really appreciate how you
  3514. 2:33:42 Unknown speaker described this as like a the south the
  3515. 2:33:45 Unknown speaker south gateway basically to our downtown.
  3516. 2:33:48 Unknown speaker Is this just a pure like illustrative
  3517. 2:33:51 Unknown speaker rendering at this point? And like the
  3518. 2:33:52 Unknown speaker design itself will go through the AIP
  3519. 2:33:55 Unknown speaker process, figure out a blank slate of
  3520. 2:33:57 Unknown speaker which to work with.
  3521. 2:33:58 Unknown speaker Love it. It's just the canvas.
  3522. 2:33:59 Unknown speaker Yep. Thank you very much. I think that's
  3523. 2:34:01 Unknown speaker all.
  3524. 2:34:03 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Brito.
  3525. 2:34:06 Unknown speaker Question for um well, staff and
  3526. 2:34:09 Unknown speaker potentially Angela. Um, I know that our
  3527. 2:34:13 Unknown speaker last mural, um, our larger mural, um,
  3528. 2:34:17 Unknown speaker specifically spearheaded, I think, by
  3529. 2:34:19 Unknown speaker LDDA
  3530. 2:34:21 Unknown speaker for the,
  3531. 2:34:23 Unknown speaker um, parking garage for Hotel Longmont,
  3532. 2:34:27 Unknown speaker [clears throat] was done by an artist
  3533. 2:34:30 Unknown speaker outside of the state. And we heard a
  3534. 2:34:32 Unknown speaker lot, well I heard a lot of feedback um
  3535. 2:34:36 Unknown speaker regarding local artists um really
  3536. 2:34:40 Unknown speaker wanting opportunities like that. Um, a
  3537. 2:34:43 Unknown speaker lot of the feedback surrounded
  3538. 2:34:45 Unknown speaker local artists saying that they put a lot
  3539. 2:34:48 Unknown speaker of time and effort and energy into small
  3540. 2:34:50 Unknown speaker projects in the city and sometimes as
  3541. 2:34:52 Unknown speaker inind uh donations um and not feeling
  3542. 2:34:56 Unknown speaker like they had an opportunity to
  3543. 2:34:58 Unknown speaker potentially
  3544. 2:35:00 Unknown speaker um be considered for a mural of this
  3545. 2:35:03 Unknown speaker size.
  3546. 2:35:05 Unknown speaker I'm curious if the city and or Angela or
  3547. 2:35:08 Unknown speaker anybody can speak to if this is going to
  3548. 2:35:11 Unknown speaker be available to a local artist or what
  3549. 2:35:13 Unknown speaker the plans are around that or what
  3550. 2:35:16 Unknown speaker remediations like have been done or
  3551. 2:35:17 Unknown speaker conversations have been had with
  3552. 2:35:19 Unknown speaker community members around making sure
  3553. 2:35:21 Unknown speaker that their voice is heard. Making sure
  3554. 2:35:23 Unknown speaker that they have fair opportunity and
  3555. 2:35:25 Unknown speaker making sure that we're valuing our
  3556. 2:35:27 Unknown speaker artists in a way that uh says, "Hey, we
  3557. 2:35:30 Unknown speaker we value you not just for the small
  3558. 2:35:32 Unknown speaker projects but for the big ones as well."
  3559. 2:35:33 Unknown speaker I'll introduce this and then I will
  3560. 2:35:35 Unknown speaker welcome Angela. So generally this is a
  3561. 2:35:38 Unknown speaker very very large scale art installation
  3562. 2:35:41 Unknown speaker and so we do expect that it might take
  3563. 2:35:45 Unknown speaker somebody with that with you know the
  3564. 2:35:47 Unknown speaker experience of doing something so large
  3565. 2:35:49 Unknown speaker which might be harder to find here.
  3566. 2:35:51 Unknown speaker However, we are going to put in place a
  3567. 2:35:53 Unknown speaker mentor mentee relationship program to
  3568. 2:35:56 Unknown speaker make sure that um local artists are
  3569. 2:35:58 Unknown speaker included whether they're doing the main
  3570. 2:36:00 Unknown speaker work or being more in that mentee role
  3571. 2:36:04 Unknown speaker um to make sure that they can get
  3572. 2:36:05 Unknown speaker experience and exposure to this. But
  3573. 2:36:06 Unknown speaker I'll hand it over to Angela for more
  3574. 2:36:08 Unknown speaker specifics.
  3575. 2:36:11 Unknown speaker Yes. Hello. Thank you for having me,
  3576. 2:36:13 Unknown speaker council. Um yes, exactly that. So, this
  3577. 2:36:16 Unknown speaker mural is about 5,000 square ft, which is
  3578. 2:36:19 Unknown speaker very similar to the size of the mural
  3579. 2:36:22 Unknown speaker that we had on the parking garage at the
  3580. 2:36:24 Unknown speaker civic center. And so, with an
  3581. 2:36:26 Unknown speaker opportunity to have public engagement
  3582. 2:36:29 Unknown speaker not only for the concept and thematic
  3583. 2:36:32 Unknown speaker before we open the call for entry uh to
  3584. 2:36:35 Unknown speaker artists about what should this
  3585. 2:36:37 Unknown speaker represent, what should its symbolism be,
  3586. 2:36:39 Unknown speaker what should it be meaningful for the
  3587. 2:36:40 Unknown speaker community. So, lots of public input that
  3588. 2:36:43 Unknown speaker way, but also participation in a mentor
  3589. 2:36:45 Unknown speaker mentee. It's a large project. It takes a
  3590. 2:36:48 Unknown speaker prowess and a certain amount of
  3591. 2:36:50 Unknown speaker understanding of um contracting your
  3592. 2:36:53 Unknown speaker lift operators or if you operate it
  3593. 2:36:56 Unknown speaker yourself, the materials in which you're
  3594. 2:36:57 Unknown speaker going to use. So, uh we'll open it up so
  3595. 2:37:00 Unknown speaker an artist can apply as that mentor
  3596. 2:37:04 Unknown speaker perspective or the mentee. So, uh,
  3597. 2:37:08 Unknown speaker there's opportunity for portfolio review
  3598. 2:37:10 Unknown speaker on either side and to give our local
  3599. 2:37:12 Unknown speaker artists that that wonderful opportunity
  3600. 2:37:15 Unknown speaker for for adding something to their
  3601. 2:37:17 Unknown speaker portfolio should they come in not as
  3602. 2:37:19 Unknown speaker experienced as maybe a nationwide
  3603. 2:37:22 Unknown speaker artist.
  3604. 2:37:23 Unknown speaker That's I'm really excited to hear that
  3605. 2:37:25 Unknown speaker and really appreciate that. Um, because
  3606. 2:37:27 Unknown speaker that was a concern last time and yeah,
  3607. 2:37:30 Unknown speaker how do you get experience if you don't
  3608. 2:37:32 Unknown speaker get the opportunity? Um, I know that
  3609. 2:37:34 Unknown speaker very well. Um, one question. I'm curious
  3610. 2:37:37 Unknown speaker if you would be open to potentially just
  3611. 2:37:41 Unknown speaker maybe having kind of like a a small
  3612. 2:37:44 Unknown speaker feedback circle or loop with local
  3613. 2:37:47 Unknown speaker artists around like what are concerns?
  3614. 2:37:49 Unknown speaker How could we make this process feel more
  3615. 2:37:52 Unknown speaker equitable? How can we adjust and making
  3616. 2:37:54 Unknown speaker sure that you guys are heard? Like just
  3617. 2:37:57 Unknown speaker to make sure that the feedback we took
  3618. 2:37:59 Unknown speaker last time we're really taking moving
  3619. 2:38:01 Unknown speaker forward and that they feel a part of
  3620. 2:38:03 Unknown speaker this process from the beginning. I know
  3621. 2:38:06 Unknown speaker um I was a part of those conversations
  3622. 2:38:07 Unknown speaker as well and I and and I totally
  3623. 2:38:10 Unknown speaker understand that like hey everybody has
  3624. 2:38:12 Unknown speaker an opportunity to be a part of the board
  3625. 2:38:14 Unknown speaker and these these groups right and maybe
  3626. 2:38:17 Unknown speaker some of our local artists haven't really
  3627. 2:38:20 Unknown speaker taken um have not taken that opportunity
  3628. 2:38:24 Unknown speaker to um is it a is that is that the
  3629. 2:38:26 Unknown speaker appropriate word a board
  3630. 2:38:28 Unknown speaker it is yeah board and commission
  3631. 2:38:29 Unknown speaker the board and commission and the four
  3632. 2:38:31 Unknown speaker special projects the committees that um
  3633. 2:38:33 Unknown speaker come together and So, a lot of them have
  3634. 2:38:35 Unknown speaker not applied, which is always what we
  3635. 2:38:38 Unknown speaker encourage so that their voice can be
  3636. 2:38:40 Unknown speaker heard. But I'm curious if you'd be open
  3637. 2:38:42 Unknown speaker to just having a small meeting with them
  3638. 2:38:44 Unknown speaker to say, "Hey, this is something that
  3639. 2:38:45 Unknown speaker we're going to do." Maybe introduce the
  3640. 2:38:47 Unknown speaker mentor mentee concept to them and then
  3641. 2:38:50 Unknown speaker get any feedback that would help with
  3642. 2:38:52 Unknown speaker the process moving forward.
  3643. 2:38:53 Unknown speaker Certainly. And that is something that
  3644. 2:38:55 Unknown speaker Art and Public Places has discussed in
  3645. 2:38:58 Unknown speaker review and in the closing out of that
  3646. 2:39:00 Unknown speaker last project is what did we miss? what
  3647. 2:39:02 Unknown speaker is a part of our what has been a normal
  3648. 2:39:05 Unknown speaker process or standard process and what
  3649. 2:39:07 Unknown speaker needs to change and I think that that's
  3650. 2:39:09 Unknown speaker what we heard from the community was
  3651. 2:39:10 Unknown speaker certainly that um from inception of the
  3652. 2:39:13 Unknown speaker project uh the task force has put
  3653. 2:39:16 Unknown speaker together um what the theme of that
  3654. 2:39:20 Unknown speaker project should look like and they used
  3655. 2:39:22 Unknown speaker the heart they use quite literally the
  3656. 2:39:24 Unknown speaker words the heart of downtown and that
  3657. 2:39:26 Unknown speaker colloquialism of a geographic reference
  3658. 2:39:29 Unknown speaker for some is taken a completely different
  3659. 2:39:32 Unknown speaker And so I think that we need to think
  3660. 2:39:34 Unknown speaker about that from the inception of the
  3661. 2:39:36 Unknown speaker project of not just our artist
  3662. 2:39:37 Unknown speaker community, but our community as a whole
  3663. 2:39:40 Unknown speaker because this is such a large project and
  3664. 2:39:42 Unknown speaker as a gateway into our downtown, we
  3665. 2:39:44 Unknown speaker really need to open that up to the
  3666. 2:39:45 Unknown speaker greater community and then provide those
  3667. 2:39:48 Unknown speaker resources of if you want to be a
  3668. 2:39:50 Unknown speaker participant in this creative venture
  3669. 2:39:52 Unknown speaker either as an artist or a community
  3670. 2:39:54 Unknown speaker member on the selection panel, here are
  3671. 2:39:56 Unknown speaker the avenues. Here's how you get
  3672. 2:39:58 Unknown speaker involved. Here's how you apply. and just
  3673. 2:40:00 Unknown speaker really make it accessible to artist,
  3674. 2:40:02 Unknown speaker creative community, but really community
  3675. 2:40:04 Unknown speaker at large.
  3676. 2:40:05 Unknown speaker And will there be a special selection
  3677. 2:40:06 Unknown speaker panel or like a a special panel for this
  3678. 2:40:09 Unknown speaker project right here?
  3679. 2:40:10 Unknown speaker There will. It will go through the
  3680. 2:40:11 Unknown speaker public so they can apply to be a part of
  3681. 2:40:13 Unknown speaker that panel. That's right.
  3682. 2:40:14 Unknown speaker That's really good to hear. I really
  3683. 2:40:17 Unknown speaker appreciate I I mean I can see the steps
  3684. 2:40:20 Unknown speaker that you've taken just regarding the
  3685. 2:40:22 Unknown speaker feedback that you heard last time and
  3686. 2:40:23 Unknown speaker I'm I'm excited to see the mentor mentee
  3687. 2:40:25 Unknown speaker kind of come together because it's not
  3688. 2:40:27 Unknown speaker just one type of art that we're going to
  3689. 2:40:29 Unknown speaker see. We're going to see a mix of
  3690. 2:40:31 Unknown speaker different you know creative minds which
  3691. 2:40:33 Unknown speaker is really exciting for me. So thank you
  3692. 2:40:35 Unknown speaker so much Angela.
  3693. 2:40:35 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3694. 2:40:36 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um council member
  3695. 2:40:38 Unknown speaker Marcy.
  3696. 2:40:39 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. Um question for Angela.
  3697. 2:40:41 Unknown speaker Hi Angela. Um, you I appreciate the
  3698. 2:40:44 Unknown speaker mentor mentee idea. It in in your
  3699. 2:40:48 Unknown speaker thinking I mean it doesn't I don't know
  3700. 2:40:49 Unknown speaker if staff's made up their mind or not. It
  3701. 2:40:51 Unknown speaker sounds a little bit like I mean are you
  3702. 2:40:54 Unknown speaker are you going to ask folks to like apply
  3703. 2:40:55 Unknown speaker to be a mentee on this project or is
  3704. 2:40:57 Unknown speaker there a formal process where there's a
  3705. 2:40:59 Unknown speaker mentor and a mentee and because it
  3706. 2:41:01 Unknown speaker sounds like I mean yeah I'm just I'll
  3707. 2:41:03 Unknown speaker stop there. Is is the idea that folks
  3708. 2:41:05 Unknown speaker will apply to be a mentee or be a part
  3709. 2:41:07 Unknown speaker of the project and then there's a big
  3710. 2:41:09 Unknown speaker picture artist at the top.
  3711. 2:41:10 Unknown speaker Sure. So uh thank you for the question.
  3712. 2:41:13 Unknown speaker Um we have not since I have been in this
  3713. 2:41:16 Unknown speaker position um explored this sort of
  3714. 2:41:19 Unknown speaker project before. Luckily this sort of
  3715. 2:41:22 Unknown speaker project in public art communities is
  3716. 2:41:24 Unknown speaker happening fairly regularly. Uh so I
  3717. 2:41:27 Unknown speaker think that we will lean on some of our
  3718. 2:41:29 Unknown speaker neighbor friends to say what did you do
  3719. 2:41:31 Unknown speaker right? What did you do wrong? Um,
  3720. 2:41:35 Unknown speaker in some of the preliminary conversations
  3721. 2:41:37 Unknown speaker about this project, um, it's important
  3722. 2:41:40 Unknown speaker that compensation is considered
  3723. 2:41:43 Unknown speaker equitable and fair. And so just because
  3724. 2:41:46 Unknown speaker someone is a mentor maybe doesn't mean
  3725. 2:41:48 Unknown speaker that they're putting in less work. We
  3726. 2:41:50 Unknown speaker start thinking about materials and how
  3727. 2:41:52 Unknown speaker that breaks down in the, you know,
  3728. 2:41:54 Unknown speaker project line items, then that's how it
  3729. 2:41:56 Unknown speaker shakes out a little bit. But I think
  3730. 2:41:57 Unknown speaker that just because you're a mentor, a
  3731. 2:41:59 Unknown speaker mentee, um, the work ends up being the
  3732. 2:42:02 Unknown speaker same. So those are things that need to
  3733. 2:42:04 Unknown speaker be worked out, but I think I trust that
  3734. 2:42:07 Unknown speaker the art and public places task force and
  3735. 2:42:08 Unknown speaker the commission will look into that very
  3736. 2:42:11 Unknown speaker heavily before
  3737. 2:42:13 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3738. 2:42:13 Unknown speaker proceeding.
  3739. 2:42:14 Unknown speaker Thank you for that. Um we because we to
  3740. 2:42:16 Unknown speaker council member PTO's point, Mayor, we we
  3741. 2:42:18 Unknown speaker we did hear from a number of local
  3742. 2:42:19 Unknown speaker residents who believe, you know, that
  3743. 2:42:22 Unknown speaker they are capable of a project of this of
  3744. 2:42:24 Unknown speaker this scope. And um I think that's
  3745. 2:42:27 Unknown speaker something that at least in terms of
  3746. 2:42:29 Unknown speaker thinking about bypassing the typical AIP
  3747. 2:42:31 Unknown speaker process and voting that way I think is
  3748. 2:42:33 Unknown speaker something for me to consider. Can you
  3749. 2:42:34 Unknown speaker speak a little bit about how AIP
  3750. 2:42:36 Unknown speaker typically classifies like local artists?
  3751. 2:42:39 Unknown speaker Is there a local designation or a
  3752. 2:42:40 Unknown speaker regional designation? And I know it's a
  3753. 2:42:42 Unknown speaker blind process typically in terms of when
  3754. 2:42:45 Unknown speaker stuff comes in. But if if an artist is
  3755. 2:42:46 Unknown speaker going to be considered local um by AIP,
  3756. 2:42:50 Unknown speaker how would that typically be thought of?
  3757. 2:42:51 Unknown speaker Is that Longmont residence? Is that
  3758. 2:42:54 Unknown speaker broader?
  3759. 2:42:55 Unknown speaker Sure. Thank you for the question. So, um
  3760. 2:42:58 Unknown speaker quite literally when we do a call for
  3761. 2:43:02 Unknown speaker entry, there is a national designation,
  3762. 2:43:05 Unknown speaker a a state designation or a resident. And
  3763. 2:43:10 Unknown speaker so when you go through the portal and
  3764. 2:43:12 Unknown speaker apply, it asks for your address and your
  3765. 2:43:15 Unknown speaker zip code. Um I think I had asked before
  3766. 2:43:18 Unknown speaker what exactly local was because we've
  3767. 2:43:20 Unknown speaker been working on the flag project.
  3768. 2:43:21 Unknown speaker Yeah. And uh so it was
  3769. 2:43:26 Unknown speaker I would I would have to ask exactly what
  3770. 2:43:28 Unknown speaker that language was, but someone
  3771. 2:43:32 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah.
  3772. 2:43:34 Unknown speaker Yeah. Well, while they're looking that
  3773. 2:43:35 Unknown speaker up, I wanted to clarify one thing. This
  3774. 2:43:38 Unknown speaker is going through AIP.
  3775. 2:43:40 Unknown speaker We're just not sending the money to
  3776. 2:43:43 Unknown speaker Correct. Okay. No. Correct. My my
  3777. 2:43:45 Unknown speaker concern is in is quite honestly to
  3778. 2:43:47 Unknown speaker council member Pto's point that that I I
  3779. 2:43:49 Unknown speaker personally do believe we have a strong
  3780. 2:43:51 Unknown speaker local artist community that if we were
  3781. 2:43:52 Unknown speaker to say as a as a community, hey, we
  3782. 2:43:54 Unknown speaker heard the feedback and we would like to
  3783. 2:43:56 Unknown speaker keep this potentially to local artists.
  3784. 2:43:59 Unknown speaker Um, and understanding that there are
  3785. 2:44:02 Unknown speaker probably a pretty small pool of local
  3786. 2:44:03 Unknown speaker artists who could do this and even
  3787. 2:44:05 Unknown speaker potentially looking regionally or
  3788. 2:44:06 Unknown speaker otherwise. I I I would hate for us to
  3789. 2:44:10 Unknown speaker have gone through the process we went
  3790. 2:44:11 Unknown speaker through in the last mural conversation
  3791. 2:44:13 Unknown speaker and then quite literally have a repeated
  3792. 2:44:15 Unknown speaker outcome on a project of a similar size.
  3793. 2:44:18 Unknown speaker Um, and so I I actually
  3794. 2:44:21 Unknown speaker I I'm I'm considering a motion on this,
  3795. 2:44:23 Unknown speaker but I'm I'm gonna I see other lights, so
  3796. 2:44:25 Unknown speaker I'm going to wait um while maybe Jeremy
  3797. 2:44:28 Unknown speaker and staff take a look at that. So, thank
  3798. 2:44:30 Unknown speaker you.
  3799. 2:44:31 Unknown speaker Um, Council Member Christ.
  3800. 2:44:33 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor, and thank you, Angela.
  3801. 2:44:35 Unknown speaker Uh, I have a simple question. Is
  3802. 2:44:37 Unknown speaker $200,000 adequate for this size project?
  3803. 2:44:42 Unknown speaker uh
  3804. 2:44:43 Unknown speaker the [clears throat]
  3805. 2:44:45 Unknown speaker piece that was put onto the civic
  3806. 2:44:48 Unknown speaker center. Uh it's not civic center, but
  3807. 2:44:51 Unknown speaker it's the the parking garage across from
  3808. 2:44:52 Unknown speaker the civic center is about 5,000 square
  3809. 2:44:54 Unknown speaker feet. Uh there was some preliminary work
  3810. 2:44:56 Unknown speaker that we needed to do because it was not
  3811. 2:44:59 Unknown speaker poured in place. There's um a release
  3812. 2:45:02 Unknown speaker agent that actually goes onto the
  3813. 2:45:04 Unknown speaker concrete itself, which we needed to wash
  3814. 2:45:06 Unknown speaker off. A part of that project was included
  3815. 2:45:09 Unknown speaker in that price was um to prime it
  3816. 2:45:12 Unknown speaker appropriately for the materials that
  3817. 2:45:14 Unknown speaker went on. And then we paid the artist
  3818. 2:45:15 Unknown speaker $81,000. It was initially $150,000
  3819. 2:45:20 Unknown speaker budgeted. And so for this piece, uh what
  3820. 2:45:24 Unknown speaker will be built into the construction
  3821. 2:45:25 Unknown speaker project is a lot of that preliminary
  3822. 2:45:28 Unknown speaker work that won't fall to the AIP
  3823. 2:45:31 Unknown speaker designated funds. And uh so what AIP
  3824. 2:45:37 Unknown speaker will be utilizing those funds for of
  3825. 2:45:39 Unknown speaker course will be the purchasing of the art
  3826. 2:45:41 Unknown speaker on top of the uh you know primer and
  3827. 2:45:45 Unknown speaker etc. The construction project may end up
  3828. 2:45:48 Unknown speaker being responsible for the graffiti and
  3829. 2:45:49 Unknown speaker the UV sealant which will be a massive
  3830. 2:45:51 Unknown speaker part for this. Um and then perpetual
  3831. 2:45:54 Unknown speaker maintenance. It's so high up uh graffiti
  3832. 2:45:58 Unknown speaker and such is not our concern. So, uh,
  3833. 2:46:01 Unknown speaker that perpetual maintenance will be
  3834. 2:46:02 Unknown speaker resealing it every number of X years.
  3835. 2:46:05 Unknown speaker So, the $200,000 should be completely
  3836. 2:46:07 Unknown speaker sufficient for a 20-year lifespan of a
  3837. 2:46:09 Unknown speaker mural of this size.
  3838. 2:46:11 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you.
  3839. 2:46:13 Unknown speaker Yeah. And I think one of the issues that
  3840. 2:46:15 Unknown speaker because of the height, so when we talk
  3841. 2:46:17 Unknown speaker about what she's talking about, one of
  3842. 2:46:19 Unknown speaker the issues because of the height is
  3843. 2:46:20 Unknown speaker actually going to be the insurance
  3844. 2:46:22 Unknown speaker requirements.
  3845. 2:46:24 Unknown speaker um because this is um going to be a
  3846. 2:46:27 Unknown speaker dangerous project for anyone that
  3847. 2:46:29 Unknown speaker undertakes it. Um and so insurance
  3848. 2:46:32 Unknown speaker requirements, experience working at
  3849. 2:46:35 Unknown speaker these heights or having somebody with
  3850. 2:46:37 Unknown speaker you that those are going to be critical
  3851. 2:46:39 Unknown speaker pieces. Um as we're looking at this and
  3852. 2:46:43 Unknown speaker you know when you're this high up, those
  3853. 2:46:45 Unknown speaker unfortunately are the realities. Mhm.
  3854. 2:46:50 Unknown speaker Thank you,
  3855. 2:46:51 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin.
  3856. 2:46:53 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, I just wanted to
  3857. 2:46:55 Unknown speaker know I really appreciate the
  3858. 2:46:57 Unknown speaker conversation so far and just wanted to
  3859. 2:47:00 Unknown speaker note that there are other examples as
  3860. 2:47:02 Unknown speaker well of kind of beyond the mentor mentee
  3861. 2:47:04 Unknown speaker kind of dynamics uh that do exist in
  3862. 2:47:06 Unknown speaker terms of apprenticeship partnerships,
  3863. 2:47:08 Unknown speaker local training opportunities. Um, and so
  3864. 2:47:11 Unknown speaker maybe like I've worked on procurements
  3865. 2:47:14 Unknown speaker for u solar technologies and and and
  3866. 2:47:17 Unknown speaker renewable energy, but where you know the
  3867. 2:47:19 Unknown speaker goal of the community is partly to train
  3868. 2:47:21 Unknown speaker up the local workforce there. And so I
  3869. 2:47:23 Unknown speaker think maybe some of that language could
  3870. 2:47:24 Unknown speaker be learned from there too or potentially
  3871. 2:47:26 Unknown speaker considered alongside that. So I'll I'll
  3872. 2:47:28 Unknown speaker drop you a quick note with some of those
  3873. 2:47:29 Unknown speaker excerpts in case it's uh helpful um as
  3874. 2:47:31 Unknown speaker you guys craft it. But really with the
  3875. 2:47:33 Unknown speaker intention of capturing the spirit of
  3876. 2:47:34 Unknown speaker what both council members Marcen and PTO
  3877. 2:47:37 Unknown speaker were sharing on kind of really trying to
  3878. 2:47:39 Unknown speaker think about can we do this locally and
  3879. 2:47:41 Unknown speaker keep it um as and where like it's scored
  3880. 2:47:44 Unknown speaker accordingly where there's like a local
  3881. 2:47:46 Unknown speaker preference uh given um or if you can't
  3882. 2:47:49 Unknown speaker if the local preference doesn't score
  3883. 2:47:50 Unknown speaker high enough then you have an opportunity
  3884. 2:47:51 Unknown speaker to like build a you know regional local
  3885. 2:47:54 Unknown speaker team that can deliver on that and I just
  3886. 2:47:57 Unknown speaker think that I just don't want us to feel
  3887. 2:47:59 Unknown speaker limited by a mentor mentee dynamic. Um I
  3888. 2:48:02 Unknown speaker I don't know the art contracting world
  3889. 2:48:04 Unknown speaker as well. Um but I'll just offer that
  3890. 2:48:06 Unknown speaker there might be broader ways to form a
  3891. 2:48:08 Unknown speaker collaborative team that could deliver on
  3892. 2:48:10 Unknown speaker this. So I'll offer that. Thanks.
  3893. 2:48:13 Unknown speaker And the process isn't necessarily set in
  3894. 2:48:15 Unknown speaker stone right now with mentor mentee. Um
  3895. 2:48:18 Unknown speaker something I've really appreciated Oops.
  3896. 2:48:21 Unknown speaker Okay. Something I've really appreciated
  3897. 2:48:22 Unknown speaker with um
  3898. 2:48:25 Unknown speaker being on the um as liaison to arts and
  3899. 2:48:27 Unknown speaker public places was the level of
  3900. 2:48:30 Unknown speaker reflection after any kind of um pro um
  3901. 2:48:34 Unknown speaker any kind of selection was done, how the
  3902. 2:48:36 Unknown speaker the commissioners went back and and
  3903. 2:48:38 Unknown speaker really analyzed their process and and it
  3904. 2:48:42 Unknown speaker was it was very thoughtful. So I I know
  3905. 2:48:44 Unknown speaker that because I you know I too spoke with
  3906. 2:48:47 Unknown speaker um quite a few um people in the local
  3907. 2:48:49 Unknown speaker art community who were um disappointed
  3908. 2:48:52 Unknown speaker and so but hearing that feedback and
  3909. 2:48:56 Unknown speaker then how the commissioners responded to
  3910. 2:48:59 Unknown speaker that and really trying to to mitigate
  3911. 2:49:02 Unknown speaker and and make sure that local
  3912. 2:49:04 Unknown speaker representation is is first and foremost.
  3913. 2:49:07 Unknown speaker So I I do appreciate that and I I do see
  3914. 2:49:09 Unknown speaker that it's that it's happening. So thank
  3915. 2:49:12 Unknown speaker you. Um, Council Member Marcen.
  3916. 2:49:14 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And this is my second
  3917. 2:49:16 Unknown speaker time. Jeremy, did you have that
  3918. 2:49:17 Unknown speaker definition by chance? Did we figure that
  3919. 2:49:20 Unknown speaker out?
  3920. 2:49:30 Unknown speaker Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh,
  3921. 2:49:32 Unknown speaker Jeremy Terrell, senior uh, assistant
  3922. 2:49:34 Unknown speaker city attorney, also adviser for the
  3923. 2:49:36 Unknown speaker museum, not just land use. Um [laughter]
  3924. 2:49:40 Unknown speaker so in looking at the flag design, I know
  3925. 2:49:42 Unknown speaker council wanted it on a resident um
  3926. 2:49:45 Unknown speaker limitation for the flag design and we
  3927. 2:49:48 Unknown speaker did come up with the conclusion that the
  3928. 2:49:49 Unknown speaker resident would mean someone who um
  3929. 2:49:51 Unknown speaker resides or lives within the corporate
  3930. 2:49:54 Unknown speaker boundaries of the city of Longmont. So
  3931. 2:49:56 Unknown speaker if you're unincorporated Boulder County
  3932. 2:49:58 Unknown speaker but have a Longmont address, that
  3933. 2:49:59 Unknown speaker wouldn't qualify. But if you're within
  3934. 2:50:01 Unknown speaker our annex territory and your address was
  3935. 2:50:04 Unknown speaker there, you would qualify.
  3936. 2:50:06 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3937. 2:50:07 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, and then just a question for
  3938. 2:50:09 Unknown speaker Angel on the budget for the project for
  3939. 2:50:11 Unknown speaker 200,000 and I hate to be I did not
  3940. 2:50:13 Unknown speaker expect him to pick this this much, but
  3941. 2:50:14 Unknown speaker um, does that include if it, let's say
  3942. 2:50:17 Unknown speaker an out ofstate artist to be chosen, does
  3943. 2:50:19 Unknown speaker that budget include the 200,000 lodging,
  3944. 2:50:22 Unknown speaker airfare, anything like that for an out
  3945. 2:50:24 Unknown speaker ofstate artist?
  3946. 2:50:25 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you for the question, uh,
  3947. 2:50:27 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen. The budget is an
  3948. 2:50:30 Unknown speaker overall stipen for the entire project.
  3949. 2:50:33 Unknown speaker We ask each artist to then delineate how
  3950. 2:50:36 Unknown speaker their uh how they utilize their budget
  3951. 2:50:40 Unknown speaker and should travel be included or not uh
  3952. 2:50:43 Unknown speaker is completely up to them. To Harold's
  3953. 2:50:46 Unknown speaker point, a certificate of insurance is
  3954. 2:50:48 Unknown speaker absolutely required as is a 10%
  3955. 2:50:50 Unknown speaker contingency. We require that as part of
  3956. 2:50:53 Unknown speaker our guidelines on every single project.
  3957. 2:50:56 Unknown speaker So travel
  3958. 2:50:58 Unknown speaker um even even someone who were local
  3959. 2:51:01 Unknown speaker sometimes will account for for travel
  3960. 2:51:04 Unknown speaker and such.
  3961. 2:51:05 Unknown speaker That's fair. Okay. Um I I am going to go
  3962. 2:51:07 Unknown speaker ahead and make a motion here. I I I just
  3963. 2:51:09 Unknown speaker sent it over, Don. Um I I do think we
  3964. 2:51:12 Unknown speaker need to be responsive to the feedback
  3965. 2:51:13 Unknown speaker that we heard from the artistic
  3966. 2:51:14 Unknown speaker community. I also understand that a
  3967. 2:51:16 Unknown speaker project of this scope and scale has a
  3968. 2:51:18 Unknown speaker pretty limited pool most likely of
  3969. 2:51:19 Unknown speaker applicants who would be interested or
  3970. 2:51:21 Unknown speaker who would be capable from an insurance
  3971. 2:51:23 Unknown speaker perspective or otherwise to handle it.
  3972. 2:51:24 Unknown speaker But uh I move to amend resolution 202676
  3973. 2:51:28 Unknown speaker to add a specific condition that the
  3974. 2:51:30 Unknown speaker call for entry specifically offer a
  3975. 2:51:31 Unknown speaker distinct preference for the artist to be
  3976. 2:51:34 Unknown speaker a resident of the city of Longmont or
  3977. 2:51:35 Unknown speaker Colorado based artist as defined by
  3978. 2:51:37 Unknown speaker staff. So I'm comfortable if we say city
  3979. 2:51:41 Unknown speaker of Longmont resident. Can we is that is
  3980. 2:51:44 Unknown speaker that allowable? I see city attorney
  3981. 2:51:46 Unknown speaker humruming. Is there a discrimination
  3982. 2:51:50 Unknown speaker type discrimination?
  3983. 2:51:51 Unknown speaker If it wasn't discriminatory on the flag,
  3984. 2:51:54 Unknown speaker mayor and council, maybe I'll have
  3985. 2:51:56 Unknown speaker Jeremy weigh in on this. I'm furiously
  3986. 2:51:58 Unknown speaker reading the art and public places
  3987. 2:51:59 Unknown speaker ordinance. There are selection criteria,
  3988. 2:52:02 Unknown speaker okay,
  3989. 2:52:03 Unknown speaker already in the code.
  3990. 2:52:04 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  3991. 2:52:05 Unknown speaker Um, and maybe Jeremy can pick it up from
  3992. 2:52:08 Unknown speaker there.
  3993. 2:52:08 Unknown speaker Yeah, I'm willing to withdraw and
  3994. 2:52:11 Unknown speaker restate. But so
  3995. 2:52:15 Unknown speaker for my general thoughts, this resolution
  3996. 2:52:18 Unknown speaker is intended to exempt
  3997. 2:52:20 Unknown speaker um the project from the AIP
  3998. 2:52:23 Unknown speaker requirements. A
  3999. 2:52:24 Unknown speaker separate conversation.
  4000. 2:52:25 Unknown speaker Um so what what the resolution is
  4001. 2:52:27 Unknown speaker actually asking council to exempt it
  4002. 2:52:29 Unknown speaker from the process
  4003. 2:52:30 Unknown speaker but then provide an alternative process.
  4004. 2:52:32 Unknown speaker So instead of going paying that $200,000
  4005. 2:52:34 Unknown speaker in the AIP fund,
  4006. 2:52:36 Unknown speaker we're putting into the project fund as a
  4007. 2:52:38 Unknown speaker dedic designated contribution
  4008. 2:52:40 Unknown speaker and then the resolution currently has
  4009. 2:52:42 Unknown speaker council directing it to the AIP process
  4010. 2:52:45 Unknown speaker from there.
  4011. 2:52:47 Unknown speaker I think council could put guidelines on
  4012. 2:52:50 Unknown speaker that direction of the AIP process. Um
  4013. 2:52:54 Unknown speaker locality is not one of the guidelines
  4014. 2:52:56 Unknown speaker set in for the AIP process from the
  4015. 2:52:59 Unknown speaker get-go. So there is an ordinance um
  4016. 2:53:01 Unknown speaker detailing what what the criteria is that
  4017. 2:53:04 Unknown speaker AIP should consider and then it further
  4018. 2:53:07 Unknown speaker gives um the commission um a duty to
  4019. 2:53:11 Unknown speaker establish the procedure and those
  4020. 2:53:12 Unknown speaker guidelines. So I think you could um and
  4021. 2:53:17 Unknown speaker I will leave it at that.
  4022. 2:53:18 Unknown speaker If you say I could, I will. I'll I'll
  4023. 2:53:19 Unknown speaker stand with that motion and see if
  4024. 2:53:21 Unknown speaker anybody's willing to second it.
  4025. 2:53:24 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we have a motion to amend
  4026. 2:53:26 Unknown speaker resolution 2026-76
  4027. 2:53:29 Unknown speaker um to include
  4028. 2:53:33 Unknown speaker uh let's see to add the condition that
  4029. 2:53:35 Unknown speaker the call for entry specifically offered
  4030. 2:53:37 Unknown speaker distinct preference for the artist to be
  4031. 2:53:40 Unknown speaker a resident of the city of Longmont or
  4032. 2:53:42 Unknown speaker Colorado-based artist as defined by
  4033. 2:53:44 Unknown speaker staff and the it was
  4034. 2:53:46 Unknown speaker I know that's a little clunky and it was
  4035. 2:53:48 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Prito. Go
  4036. 2:53:50 Unknown speaker ahead. Yes,
  4037. 2:53:52 Unknown speaker sorry. And just to add on that to to
  4038. 2:53:54 Unknown speaker clarify for fixing the resolution, we'd
  4039. 2:53:57 Unknown speaker otherwise follow the AIP process just
  4040. 2:54:00 Unknown speaker with that one additional criteria.
  4041. 2:54:01 Unknown speaker Yes.
  4042. 2:54:02 Unknown speaker Okay. Thanks.
  4043. 2:54:03 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, Council Member
  4044. 2:54:05 Unknown speaker Coloffer,
  4045. 2:54:07 Unknown speaker thank you, Mayor. I appreciate this
  4046. 2:54:09 Unknown speaker motion. Um, I I am curious. So, let's
  4047. 2:54:12 Unknown speaker say we do have a a call out for artists
  4048. 2:54:14 Unknown speaker and then our local artists are like, we
  4049. 2:54:16 Unknown speaker can't handle this. we then go Boulder
  4050. 2:54:19 Unknown speaker County and then we go state, right? Is
  4051. 2:54:22 Unknown speaker that how is that how it would go? Like
  4052. 2:54:24 Unknown speaker how I'm just nervous that if if our
  4053. 2:54:27 Unknown speaker local artists
  4054. 2:54:29 Unknown speaker don't have the ability to do something
  4055. 2:54:31 Unknown speaker of that height, how
  4056. 2:54:34 Unknown speaker Colorado?
  4057. 2:54:36 Unknown speaker So the way I understand it is local or
  4058. 2:54:38 Unknown speaker Colorado based. Is that
  4059. 2:54:43 Unknown speaker [cough]
  4060. 2:54:44 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  4061. 2:54:47 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Yeah, the intent of
  4062. 2:54:48 Unknown speaker the motion is is understanding to
  4063. 2:54:50 Unknown speaker council member Cockoff's concern that
  4064. 2:54:52 Unknown speaker that the artist pool we're talking about
  4065. 2:54:54 Unknown speaker that are actually official residents of
  4066. 2:54:55 Unknown speaker the city of Longmont is probably
  4067. 2:54:56 Unknown speaker significantly more limited than what
  4068. 2:54:58 Unknown speaker we're talking about in a flag project
  4069. 2:55:00 Unknown speaker that we're willing to open it up to the
  4070. 2:55:01 Unknown speaker broader artist community. And I also
  4071. 2:55:03 Unknown speaker it's not a requirement, right? So, in
  4072. 2:55:05 Unknown speaker the event that AIP were to look at the
  4073. 2:55:08 Unknown speaker process and say, "Hey, actually, we we
  4074. 2:55:10 Unknown speaker don't think that we can that there's an
  4075. 2:55:12 Unknown speaker artist in this applicant pool that is
  4076. 2:55:14 Unknown speaker local or or or state based that can pull
  4077. 2:55:17 Unknown speaker this off." They they reserve the like
  4078. 2:55:19 Unknown speaker I'm not saying they have to, but within
  4079. 2:55:21 Unknown speaker the scoring process, I would like to see
  4080. 2:55:23 Unknown speaker some some distinct um preference given
  4081. 2:55:26 Unknown speaker toward ideally local, but understanding
  4082. 2:55:29 Unknown speaker that that that pool might be pretty
  4083. 2:55:31 Unknown speaker limited, being willing to go out to the
  4084. 2:55:32 Unknown speaker state. I I would I would just hate to
  4085. 2:55:34 Unknown speaker see us go through the process we just
  4086. 2:55:35 Unknown speaker went through a second time. So,
  4087. 2:55:37 Unknown speaker and um and and thank you for the
  4088. 2:55:39 Unknown speaker comment. Uh one of the learning learned
  4089. 2:55:42 Unknown speaker lessons learned uh from the last project
  4090. 2:55:45 Unknown speaker and what has been discussed and again
  4091. 2:55:48 Unknown speaker clearly not finalized is the rubric by
  4092. 2:55:51 Unknown speaker which folks are scored. uh it starts
  4093. 2:55:54 Unknown speaker with an RFQ, a request for
  4094. 2:55:56 Unknown speaker qualifications. And in that uh instance,
  4095. 2:55:59 Unknown speaker that's where the selection panel goes
  4096. 2:56:01 Unknown speaker through and filters down. And it may be
  4097. 2:56:04 Unknown speaker something along the lines of all
  4098. 2:56:06 Unknown speaker Longmont artists then just move on to
  4099. 2:56:08 Unknown speaker round number two. Uh
  4100. 2:56:11 Unknown speaker and depending upon to um Popkins point,
  4101. 2:56:15 Unknown speaker uh we may have it might not be a mentor
  4102. 2:56:17 Unknown speaker mentee, but it could be an
  4103. 2:56:19 Unknown speaker apprenticeship of some sort. So, I think
  4104. 2:56:21 Unknown speaker that art and public places will be
  4105. 2:56:23 Unknown speaker charged with determining what that
  4106. 2:56:25 Unknown speaker rubric is exactly for the situation to
  4107. 2:56:28 Unknown speaker be assured that your local preference is
  4108. 2:56:30 Unknown speaker of course heard and is um appropriate
  4109. 2:56:33 Unknown speaker for the situation at hand. But in this
  4110. 2:56:36 Unknown speaker instance, in this moment, um the
  4111. 2:56:39 Unknown speaker determination of how the standard art
  4112. 2:56:42 Unknown speaker and public places workflow would alter
  4113. 2:56:44 Unknown speaker for this would then be determined based
  4114. 2:56:47 Unknown speaker upon and such.
  4115. 2:56:49 Unknown speaker Thank you. I'm in support.
  4116. 2:56:50 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um I will not be in
  4117. 2:56:53 Unknown speaker support of this. I feel like there is a
  4118. 2:56:55 Unknown speaker process with that the commissioners
  4119. 2:56:57 Unknown speaker we've entrusted the commissioners um to
  4120. 2:57:00 Unknown speaker to go through a process that is
  4121. 2:57:02 Unknown speaker delineated in our code. Um as well as
  4122. 2:57:08 Unknown speaker there has been concerted effort to
  4123. 2:57:10 Unknown speaker address the issues needed. So again, I
  4124. 2:57:12 Unknown speaker feel like I don't want to put so much
  4125. 2:57:15 Unknown speaker guard rails in there and make it so
  4126. 2:57:17 Unknown speaker tight that um our commissioners are
  4127. 2:57:20 Unknown speaker unable to to execute their duties and
  4128. 2:57:24 Unknown speaker and have you know I I trust that they
  4129. 2:57:26 Unknown speaker they've heard our concerns. They've
  4130. 2:57:28 Unknown speaker worked you know they worked with us. I I
  4131. 2:57:30 Unknown speaker spoke with quite a few people and spoke
  4132. 2:57:32 Unknown speaker with you as well. Um I I feel like it's
  4133. 2:57:36 Unknown speaker not going to happen again. Um there is a
  4134. 2:57:38 Unknown speaker concerted effort to address this issue
  4135. 2:57:41 Unknown speaker that happened before and um I just I
  4136. 2:57:44 Unknown speaker don't think this is this is particularly
  4137. 2:57:46 Unknown speaker necessary. Um especially with this with
  4138. 2:57:49 Unknown speaker this resolution. Um Council Member
  4139. 2:57:52 Unknown speaker Prito,
  4140. 2:57:53 Unknown speaker thank you, Mayor. Um just going a little
  4141. 2:57:56 Unknown speaker bit off what uh Council Member Popkin
  4142. 2:57:58 Unknown speaker said, I really like the idea of instead
  4143. 2:58:00 Unknown speaker of mentor mentee, maybe partnership. Um,
  4144. 2:58:03 Unknown speaker I can't imagine putting two separate
  4145. 2:58:04 Unknown speaker artists together that may not know each
  4146. 2:58:06 Unknown speaker other and having them create art, but
  4147. 2:58:09 Unknown speaker I'm I have faith in your ability to
  4148. 2:58:13 Unknown speaker keep them happy and collaborative. Um,
  4149. 2:58:17 Unknown speaker and I'm thinking too like maybe when we
  4150. 2:58:20 Unknown speaker identify a local mentee and or mentor,
  4151. 2:58:24 Unknown speaker then they can be a part of the process
  4152. 2:58:26 Unknown speaker in determining that partnership like in
  4153. 2:58:30 Unknown speaker the final round. Um, I'm just curious
  4154. 2:58:33 Unknown speaker and just throwing some ideas out here,
  4155. 2:58:35 Unknown speaker Angela, but you're the expert. Um, you
  4156. 2:58:38 Unknown speaker know, I would love to see a local
  4157. 2:58:40 Unknown speaker partner, like a a partnership of local
  4158. 2:58:42 Unknown speaker and external. Um, depending on what the
  4159. 2:58:44 Unknown speaker poll is, again, to council member Marc's
  4160. 2:58:48 Unknown speaker motion, um, I I believe that the talent
  4161. 2:58:52 Unknown speaker is here. I do believe that. One concern
  4162. 2:58:55 Unknown speaker I have is um the contingency.
  4163. 2:59:01 Unknown speaker speak to me more about what that looks
  4164. 2:59:02 Unknown speaker like for an artist
  4165. 2:59:05 Unknown speaker and a piece this size.
  4166. 2:59:08 Unknown speaker So a 10% contingency is held back on
  4167. 2:59:12 Unknown speaker every single project and usually it's
  4168. 2:59:14 Unknown speaker for you know defunct work. So an artist
  4169. 2:59:18 Unknown speaker goes in and has a proposal of what that
  4170. 2:59:20 Unknown speaker final piece should look like and it's
  4171. 2:59:22 Unknown speaker not sufficient to what the proposed work
  4172. 2:59:24 Unknown speaker would be. Uh we do it for all our
  4173. 2:59:27 Unknown speaker projects from something as small as the
  4174. 2:59:28 Unknown speaker shock art boxes to something as large as
  4175. 2:59:31 Unknown speaker this. Uh because art can be subjective,
  4176. 2:59:35 Unknown speaker but also it's a scope of work. And when
  4177. 2:59:38 Unknown speaker you put a conceptual piece together,
  4178. 2:59:41 Unknown speaker sometimes you have to make um decisions,
  4179. 2:59:44 Unknown speaker but ultimately it should look like um
  4180. 2:59:48 Unknown speaker what what the city has hired for that
  4181. 2:59:51 Unknown speaker piece to be. And so that 10% holds, you
  4182. 2:59:53 Unknown speaker know, for extra materials that that
  4183. 2:59:55 Unknown speaker artist might need to or they have to um
  4184. 2:59:58 Unknown speaker get new ladders again because we're
  4185. 3:00:00 Unknown speaker telling them that they have to go back
  4186. 3:00:02 Unknown speaker and fix work. So we hold that to the end
  4187. 3:00:05 Unknown speaker until the project is completely finished
  4188. 3:00:07 Unknown speaker and sufficient to the city's u standard
  4189. 3:00:11 Unknown speaker and and then we release that back to
  4190. 3:00:12 Unknown speaker them. They don't lose it.
  4191. 3:00:14 Unknown speaker Perfect. I just wanted to make sure it's
  4192. 3:00:15 Unknown speaker not a deposit someone has to come with
  4193. 3:00:17 Unknown speaker up with out of pocket.
  4194. 3:00:19 Unknown speaker No, not at all. And I'm like, "Oh my
  4195. 3:00:20 Unknown speaker goodness, I can't imagine for a job that
  4196. 3:00:22 Unknown speaker size." Um, okay. Well, you know, I
  4197. 3:00:26 Unknown speaker [clears throat] was going to offer an
  4198. 3:00:27 Unknown speaker amendment to your motion, but I I think
  4199. 3:00:29 Unknown speaker you get the hint, Angela. We we as a
  4200. 3:00:32 Unknown speaker council and or myself as a council
  4201. 3:00:34 Unknown speaker member really want to see our local
  4202. 3:00:36 Unknown speaker artists, our local artists have the
  4203. 3:00:39 Unknown speaker opportunities to be a part of these
  4204. 3:00:41 Unknown speaker types of projects. So, um, that that's
  4205. 3:00:44 Unknown speaker it.
  4206. 3:00:45 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, Council Member Popkin.
  4207. 3:00:49 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Um I I tend to I this
  4208. 3:00:52 Unknown speaker is a really interesting discussion. I
  4209. 3:00:54 Unknown speaker tend to agree with the mayor on this
  4210. 3:00:55 Unknown speaker one. Um and I have a few pragmatic
  4211. 3:00:58 Unknown speaker um concerns with the motion as it
  4212. 3:01:00 Unknown speaker currently the amendment as it currently
  4213. 3:01:02 Unknown speaker stands. Um or yeah, and and I want to
  4214. 3:01:04 Unknown speaker just share those because I think it
  4215. 3:01:06 Unknown speaker might actually be counterproductive to
  4216. 3:01:08 Unknown speaker go down this. I I think first of all I
  4217. 3:01:11 Unknown speaker think the concerns and the articulation
  4218. 3:01:13 Unknown speaker and the clarity on the record here that
  4219. 3:01:15 Unknown speaker Angela and the team have heard and that
  4220. 3:01:18 Unknown speaker we have heard from arts art and public
  4221. 3:01:20 Unknown speaker places I think is very very clear.
  4222. 3:01:23 Unknown speaker Um secondly I think this is why we have
  4223. 3:01:26 Unknown speaker a board that has gone through this
  4224. 3:01:27 Unknown speaker extensively um and learns by doing and
  4225. 3:01:32 Unknown speaker and and we we all learn from lessons
  4226. 3:01:34 Unknown speaker learned. Um
  4227. 3:01:36 Unknown speaker here's my concern. as currently written,
  4228. 3:01:39 Unknown speaker we're assuming it's a singular artist,
  4229. 3:01:42 Unknown speaker not necessarily a team or plural um both
  4230. 3:01:45 Unknown speaker in the artist to be a resident um or um
  4231. 3:01:49 Unknown speaker and and I don't know if we should make
  4232. 3:01:50 Unknown speaker that assumption. Um and especially if
  4233. 3:01:52 Unknown speaker we're thinking of a mentor, mentee, if
  4234. 3:01:54 Unknown speaker we're thinking about an apprenticeship
  4235. 3:01:55 Unknown speaker program, like how are we thinking about
  4236. 3:01:57 Unknown speaker the team or the the uh yeah the team
  4237. 3:02:00 Unknown speaker that's that comes together on this? I I
  4238. 3:02:02 Unknown speaker worry that this is inherently limiting
  4239. 3:02:04 Unknown speaker and I think that we don't need to
  4240. 3:02:05 Unknown speaker overengineer this at this point. Um and
  4241. 3:02:07 Unknown speaker that the intent has already been
  4242. 3:02:09 Unknown speaker conveyed. Um I do wonder if like this is
  4243. 3:02:12 Unknown speaker an opportunity for us to think about
  4244. 3:02:13 Unknown speaker using council contingency funding to
  4245. 3:02:15 Unknown speaker actually enhance what's possible. Um but
  4246. 3:02:18 Unknown speaker that might be a separate conversation.
  4247. 3:02:19 Unknown speaker That's a separate conversation.
  4248. 3:02:20 Unknown speaker You didn't even have to say it, mayor.
  4249. 3:02:22 Unknown speaker Um but so I think I will be voting
  4250. 3:02:24 Unknown speaker against this just because I think it's
  4251. 3:02:25 Unknown speaker actually more limiting than I think we
  4252. 3:02:26 Unknown speaker might want to give the arts and public
  4253. 3:02:28 Unknown speaker places team. uh and I'd rather have them
  4254. 3:02:31 Unknown speaker try to channel the the spirit of what we
  4255. 3:02:33 Unknown speaker have just conveyed to actually do this
  4256. 3:02:35 Unknown speaker as they see as as effectively as
  4257. 3:02:37 Unknown speaker possible. So, thank you.
  4258. 3:02:39 Unknown speaker Thank you. Uh Mayor Prom.
  4259. 3:02:41 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Um as the
  4260. 3:02:44 Unknown speaker representative uh liaison to the art and
  4261. 3:02:48 Unknown speaker public places uh board, um
  4262. 3:02:53 Unknown speaker I think that the mayor is on to
  4263. 3:02:55 Unknown speaker something along with uh council member
  4264. 3:02:57 Unknown speaker Popkin. I think that the point is is
  4265. 3:02:59 Unknown speaker that we don't want to micromanage this.
  4266. 3:03:00 Unknown speaker I think the the commission had uh the
  4267. 3:03:04 Unknown speaker board has uh has figured out what they
  4268. 3:03:07 Unknown speaker maybe had, you know, wandered into
  4269. 3:03:11 Unknown speaker originally and I think they won't make
  4270. 3:03:13 Unknown speaker that same, you know, have that same
  4271. 3:03:17 Unknown speaker issue uh crop up again. I I think that
  4272. 3:03:20 Unknown speaker there's too many other variables as we
  4273. 3:03:23 Unknown speaker get moving. I think we're putting the
  4274. 3:03:25 Unknown speaker cart a little bit before the horse here
  4275. 3:03:27 Unknown speaker in this conversation
  4276. 3:03:30 Unknown speaker and u I would really encourage others to
  4277. 3:03:33 Unknown speaker vote along the lines of of not
  4278. 3:03:36 Unknown speaker supporting this at this point. There
  4279. 3:03:38 Unknown speaker might be another point at some point uh
  4280. 3:03:41 Unknown speaker some later point uh as we get closer to
  4281. 3:03:44 Unknown speaker this if we absolutely feel that we need
  4282. 3:03:46 Unknown speaker to get into the middle of all this. So I
  4283. 3:03:50 Unknown speaker won't be supporting it.
  4284. 3:03:51 Unknown speaker Do you have something to say? Apologies,
  4285. 3:03:53 Unknown speaker [laughter] mayor, not to interrupt the
  4286. 3:03:54 Unknown speaker very vibrant discussion. Uh, the code
  4287. 3:03:56 Unknown speaker does require a public hearing on this
  4288. 3:03:58 Unknown speaker item.
  4289. 3:03:59 Unknown speaker Oh, yes.
  4290. 3:03:59 Unknown speaker I don't believe we open the
  4291. 3:04:00 Unknown speaker but I think this was to amend, right? Or
  4292. 3:04:02 Unknown speaker do we need to do public hearing before
  4293. 3:04:04 Unknown speaker the amendment?
  4294. 3:04:05 Unknown speaker Be it
  4295. 3:04:07 Unknown speaker before it's moved. So, at some point
  4296. 3:04:09 Unknown speaker Okay. So, before the main.
  4297. 3:04:12 Unknown speaker Sure. Before the main.
  4298. 3:04:13 Unknown speaker So, that's I wasn't expecting this this
  4299. 3:04:16 Unknown speaker motion. So, it threw my threw my groove.
  4300. 3:04:18 Unknown speaker So, um,
  4301. 3:04:20 Unknown speaker um, you had your your mic on. Um, what
  4302. 3:04:25 Unknown speaker Yeah, thank you, mayor. I I just I just
  4303. 3:04:28 Unknown speaker wanted to respond to the comment
  4304. 3:04:29 Unknown speaker quickly. I'll be 30 seconds. Um, I think
  4305. 3:04:31 Unknown speaker just as a reminder for my council
  4306. 3:04:33 Unknown speaker teammates, the only way something for
  4307. 3:04:35 Unknown speaker sure ever happens in this city is if we
  4308. 3:04:37 Unknown speaker codify it. And that is why our residents
  4309. 3:04:41 Unknown speaker elect us to do things, right? when the
  4310. 3:04:44 Unknown speaker artist community was upset about the
  4311. 3:04:45 Unknown speaker outcome of the last process, they didn't
  4312. 3:04:47 Unknown speaker reach out necessarily, although I think
  4313. 3:04:48 Unknown speaker Angela probably heard from them. They we
  4314. 3:04:50 Unknown speaker we heard from them, right? They expect
  4315. 3:04:52 Unknown speaker us to ensure that that doesn't happen
  4316. 3:04:54 Unknown speaker again. And the way the only way we can
  4317. 3:04:56 Unknown speaker guarantee that that doesn't happen, I
  4318. 3:04:58 Unknown speaker agree that we've probably heard it, but
  4319. 3:05:00 Unknown speaker if this motion were to fail, the
  4320. 3:05:02 Unknown speaker direction then becomes actually we don't
  4321. 3:05:04 Unknown speaker really necessarily like we can hear it,
  4322. 3:05:06 Unknown speaker but voting against it says something
  4323. 3:05:08 Unknown speaker different, right? So, I I would ask us
  4324. 3:05:10 Unknown speaker to to codify this. Um, I'm willing to
  4325. 3:05:13 Unknown speaker hold on the vote until after the public
  4326. 3:05:14 Unknown speaker hearing though, mayor.
  4327. 3:05:15 Unknown speaker So, okay.
  4328. 3:05:15 Unknown speaker Or if you want to open, it's up to you.
  4329. 3:05:17 Unknown speaker Well, let's um if to do an amendment. Is
  4330. 3:05:21 Unknown speaker it out of order to do an amendment? So,
  4331. 3:05:23 Unknown speaker we could just Okay. So, I'm going to go
  4332. 3:05:25 Unknown speaker ahead and open up the public hearing
  4333. 3:05:27 Unknown speaker because I was not expecting an amendment
  4334. 3:05:29 Unknown speaker at this time. So,
  4335. 3:05:32 Unknown speaker okay. So, um I'm going to go ahead and
  4336. 3:05:34 Unknown speaker open the public hearing for resolution
  4337. 3:05:36 Unknown speaker 2026-76.
  4338. 3:05:38 Unknown speaker There was no one. No one's there wasn't
  4339. 3:05:40 Unknown speaker anyone signed up for this. Is there
  4340. 3:05:42 Unknown speaker anyone in the audience who wishes to
  4341. 3:05:43 Unknown speaker speak? Come on down.
  4342. 3:05:53 Unknown speaker I was reading the communication. Oh, do
  4343. 3:05:55 Unknown speaker I need to say my name and address?
  4344. 3:05:57 Unknown speaker Uh Matt Wilmore, South Main Station,
  4345. 3:05:59 Unknown speaker actually. Um so I'll be seeing this a
  4346. 3:06:02 Unknown speaker lot. Uh, but I was just reading the
  4347. 3:06:04 Unknown speaker communication form and my
  4348. 3:06:07 Unknown speaker concern I know I'm not supposed to ask
  4349. 3:06:09 Unknown speaker questions. So, my concern is that I
  4350. 3:06:12 Unknown speaker don't quite understand what the
  4351. 3:06:15 Unknown speaker given that some of the funding for the
  4352. 3:06:17 Unknown speaker project is excluded from the AI AIP
  4353. 3:06:21 Unknown speaker 1%. I'm curious what the like actual 1%
  4354. 3:06:25 Unknown speaker donation would be because if it's more
  4355. 3:06:27 Unknown speaker than 200,000 then I would be concerned
  4356. 3:06:29 Unknown speaker that AIP AIP that's really difficult to
  4357. 3:06:32 Unknown speaker say would be um you know losing out on
  4358. 3:06:37 Unknown speaker funds for not only this you know project
  4359. 3:06:39 Unknown speaker which it could contribute to but then
  4360. 3:06:41 Unknown speaker also additional projects that local
  4361. 3:06:43 Unknown speaker artists could be um involved in. And so
  4362. 3:06:46 Unknown speaker that's kind of something that I am
  4363. 3:06:47 Unknown speaker curious about and if the 200,000 is more
  4364. 3:06:49 Unknown speaker or less than what that 1% contribution
  4365. 3:06:51 Unknown speaker would be to the general a
  4366. 3:06:54 Unknown speaker fund. Um and then in light of that um I
  4367. 3:06:57 Unknown speaker do appreciate the support for the
  4368. 3:07:01 Unknown speaker emphasis on um a local artist because
  4369. 3:07:04 Unknown speaker unless it's bank I would really love to
  4370. 3:07:06 Unknown speaker see a long artist contribute to this.
  4371. 3:07:08 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  4372. 3:07:11 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you.
  4373. 3:07:14 Unknown speaker So, seeing no one else, um I will now
  4374. 3:07:17 Unknown speaker Did you have a number? Okay. I was You
  4375. 3:07:20 Unknown speaker look like you had a number that you were
  4376. 3:07:22 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  4377. 3:07:25 Unknown speaker So, when you remove the I was trying to
  4378. 3:07:28 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  4379. 3:07:28 Unknown speaker to run math, but um when you remove the
  4380. 3:07:31 Unknown speaker I'm sorry,
  4381. 3:07:32 Unknown speaker 110.
  4382. 3:07:33 Unknown speaker So, when you remove the RTD funds, the
  4383. 3:07:35 Unknown speaker TOCI funds, and the certificates of
  4384. 3:07:37 Unknown speaker participation, we're at 110,000. So,
  4385. 3:07:39 Unknown speaker this is the project contribution is
  4386. 3:07:40 Unknown speaker greater.
  4387. 3:07:41 Unknown speaker Is greater. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, cuz
  4388. 3:07:42 Unknown speaker we're only putting 11 million of public
  4389. 3:07:44 Unknown speaker improvement funds and then uh or 10
  4390. 3:07:48 Unknown speaker million of the public improvement fund
  4391. 3:07:50 Unknown speaker and then 1.6 million um of general fund
  4392. 3:07:54 Unknown speaker public improvement fund. So just
  4393. 3:07:55 Unknown speaker slightly over 11 million.
  4394. 3:07:57 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. So seeing no one else
  4395. 3:08:00 Unknown speaker um wanting to speak on this, I will now
  4396. 3:08:02 Unknown speaker clo close the public hearing and we have
  4397. 3:08:05 Unknown speaker an amendment to resolution 2026-76.
  4398. 3:08:09 Unknown speaker And let's go ahead and vote on this. Uh,
  4399. 3:08:12 Unknown speaker didn't you go twice already for this
  4400. 3:08:14 Unknown speaker amendment?
  4401. 3:08:16 Unknown speaker This is his second time. Okay. Quickly,
  4402. 3:08:19 Unknown speaker I I I actually had a friendly suggestion
  4403. 3:08:21 Unknown speaker for this, a friendly amendment for the
  4404. 3:08:22 Unknown speaker the motion maker on this. Um, I'd be
  4405. 3:08:24 Unknown speaker willing to support this if we take out
  4406. 3:08:26 Unknown speaker this the last part and just say offer a
  4407. 3:08:28 Unknown speaker distinct preference uh a distinct local
  4408. 3:08:31 Unknown speaker preference and you and then you just end
  4409. 3:08:34 Unknown speaker like and we let AIP AIP determine what
  4410. 3:08:37 Unknown speaker exactly that looks like and we let them
  4411. 3:08:39 Unknown speaker figure that out. that that makes the
  4412. 3:08:40 Unknown speaker direction codified and clear.
  4413. 3:08:42 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. So, okay. So, it's been it's
  4414. 3:08:45 Unknown speaker been um accepted. Okay.
  4415. 3:08:49 Unknown speaker So, just to read that for the record,
  4416. 3:08:50 Unknown speaker that would be uh to add a condition that
  4417. 3:08:52 Unknown speaker the call for entry specifically offer a
  4418. 3:08:54 Unknown speaker distinct local preference.
  4419. 3:08:56 Unknown speaker Okay. So, and that has been accepted
  4420. 3:09:00 Unknown speaker as a friendly amendment. So, let's go
  4421. 3:09:02 Unknown speaker ahead and vote on that one.
  4422. 3:09:09 Unknown speaker I don't see
  4423. 3:09:11 Unknown speaker Oh, that's weird. I don't see anything
  4424. 3:09:13 Unknown speaker on my screen.
  4425. 3:09:18 Unknown speaker [cough]
  4426. 3:09:18 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4427. 3:09:19 Unknown speaker To add a condition that the call for
  4428. 3:09:21 Unknown speaker entry specifically offer distinct.
  4429. 3:09:23 Unknown speaker Okay. So, yes, to add the condition that
  4430. 3:09:24 Unknown speaker the call for entry specifically offer um
  4431. 3:09:27 Unknown speaker distinct local preference. Okay.
  4432. 3:09:38 Unknown speaker Oh, she's got it.
  4433. 3:09:40 Unknown speaker Okay. And so that carries um that
  4434. 3:09:44 Unknown speaker carries um five to two with um Council
  4435. 3:09:50 Unknown speaker Member Christ and myself in opposition.
  4436. 3:09:53 Unknown speaker Okay. And then now we are on to the main
  4437. 3:09:55 Unknown speaker motion as amended. Um, can I have a
  4438. 3:09:58 Unknown speaker resol um a motion to pass resolution
  4439. 3:10:01 Unknown speaker 2026-76
  4440. 3:10:03 Unknown speaker uh as amended?
  4441. 3:10:06 Unknown speaker So, um motion was made by council member
  4442. 3:10:09 Unknown speaker Chris, seconded by Mayor Prom McCoy.
  4443. 3:10:12 Unknown speaker Okay, let's go ahead and vote on this.
  4444. 3:10:25 Unknown speaker Okay, that carries unanimously. We are
  4445. 3:10:27 Unknown speaker now on to
  4446. 3:10:30 Unknown speaker um resolution 2026-77,
  4447. 3:10:33 Unknown speaker a resolution for the Lamont City Council
  4448. 3:10:35 Unknown speaker conditionally approving the 206 South
  4449. 3:10:38 Unknown speaker Main Street vehicle sales and rental
  4450. 3:10:41 Unknown speaker conditional secondary use site plan. Uh
  4451. 3:10:44 Unknown speaker are there any questions from council or
  4452. 3:10:46 Unknown speaker is there a presentation?
  4453. 3:10:49 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. No, we're good. We're good.
  4454. 3:10:51 Unknown speaker Um do we have any questions from
  4455. 3:10:54 Unknown speaker council? Council member Popkin.
  4456. 3:10:57 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Um, I think just two
  4457. 3:10:59 Unknown speaker comments or questions here. Um, just
  4458. 3:11:01 Unknown speaker want to clarify on the timing. This
  4459. 3:11:02 Unknown speaker looks like it moved through the process
  4460. 3:11:03 Unknown speaker pretty quickly. Could you just clarify
  4461. 3:11:05 Unknown speaker like start to finish and kind of what
  4462. 3:11:07 Unknown speaker the journey was for this one?
  4463. 3:11:09 Unknown speaker Grab the handheld mic.
  4464. 3:11:14 Unknown speaker [cough]
  4465. 3:11:15 Unknown speaker Good evening, council. Uh, Phil Taylor,
  4466. 3:11:18 Unknown speaker senior planner. Um, I was not involved
  4467. 3:11:21 Unknown speaker in the original discussions for this
  4468. 3:11:23 Unknown speaker project, but we did try to move it
  4469. 3:11:25 Unknown speaker expediently through the process because
  4470. 3:11:28 Unknown speaker they are getting booted out of their
  4471. 3:11:29 Unknown speaker current location. So, we wanted to
  4472. 3:11:31 Unknown speaker provide a resolution to a new location
  4473. 3:11:34 Unknown speaker as soon as possible.
  4474. 3:11:36 Unknown speaker Thank you. Appreciate that. And I
  4475. 3:11:37 Unknown speaker appreciate staff's work on that, moving
  4476. 3:11:39 Unknown speaker that quickly. Um, the one question I
  4477. 3:11:41 Unknown speaker really had was on uh a discussion that
  4478. 3:11:43 Unknown speaker the planning and zoning commission had.
  4479. 3:11:45 Unknown speaker Um, and this was discussed in the the
  4480. 3:11:47 Unknown speaker packet for for us here. And I just
  4481. 3:11:49 Unknown speaker wanted to ask on behalf of the
  4482. 3:11:50 Unknown speaker commission. Um, they request that the
  4483. 3:11:52 Unknown speaker applicant provide additional information
  4484. 3:11:54 Unknown speaker to city council at the time of the
  4485. 3:11:55 Unknown speaker public hearing. Um, specifically on how
  4486. 3:11:58 Unknown speaker rental vehicles are washed and how the
  4487. 3:12:00 Unknown speaker wastewater is managed on site. I'm
  4488. 3:12:01 Unknown speaker reading verbatim from the council packet
  4489. 3:12:03 Unknown speaker here. Um, given given particularly the
  4490. 3:12:06 Unknown speaker property's adjacency to the St. Frame
  4491. 3:12:08 Unknown speaker greenway. Um, so just wanted to
  4492. 3:12:09 Unknown speaker understand kind of what conversations
  4493. 3:12:10 Unknown speaker have happened since the planning and
  4494. 3:12:12 Unknown speaker zoning hearing on that and if there's
  4495. 3:12:13 Unknown speaker any more clarity could lend.
  4496. 3:12:15 Unknown speaker The applicants are here and they will
  4497. 3:12:16 Unknown speaker provide that clarity and I actually have
  4498. 3:12:18 Unknown speaker that language in a slide. I'll put it up
  4499. 3:12:19 Unknown speaker on the screen.
  4500. 3:12:20 Unknown speaker That would be much appreciated. Thank
  4501. 3:12:21 Unknown speaker you.
  4502. 3:12:26 Unknown speaker And I will note that for for my council
  4503. 3:12:28 Unknown speaker colleagues, I'll just note that PNZ went
  4504. 3:12:29 Unknown speaker back and forth as to whether to add a
  4505. 3:12:31 Unknown speaker condition on this topic and they opted
  4506. 3:12:32 Unknown speaker to just kind of pass the conversation to
  4507. 3:12:34 Unknown speaker us to have that conversation. and I
  4508. 3:12:36 Unknown speaker thought that they handled that very
  4509. 3:12:37 Unknown speaker gracefully.
  4510. 3:12:38 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4511. 3:12:39 Unknown speaker Good evening, council. Um my name is
  4512. 3:12:41 Unknown speaker Andrew. I'm actually Andrew Kuang. I'm
  4513. 3:12:43 Unknown speaker actually the franchisee for the AIS
  4514. 3:12:44 Unknown speaker budget franchise in Longmont.
  4515. 3:12:46 Unknown speaker Um our policy is we we will not be
  4516. 3:12:48 Unknown speaker washing on site. Uh the landlord has not
  4517. 3:12:50 Unknown speaker provided us with um uh fixtures to do
  4518. 3:12:53 Unknown speaker so. Therefore, there is actually four uh
  4519. 3:12:56 Unknown speaker car washes within 2 mile radius of this
  4520. 3:12:59 Unknown speaker location which we will be utilizing to
  4521. 3:13:01 Unknown speaker wash the vehicles. And on top of that,
  4522. 3:13:03 Unknown speaker our vehicles um are not intended to be
  4523. 3:13:06 Unknown speaker spotless. We are not a um we're a
  4524. 3:13:08 Unknown speaker franchise location, so we don't have
  4525. 3:13:09 Unknown speaker that same expectation level. We will be
  4526. 3:13:12 Unknown speaker vacuuming the vehicles, but again, that
  4527. 3:13:13 Unknown speaker does not, you know, put anything to the
  4528. 3:13:15 Unknown speaker waterways or cause any waste.
  4529. 3:13:16 Unknown speaker Perfect. I really appreciate you
  4530. 3:13:18 Unknown speaker clarifying that, Andrew. Thanks for
  4531. 3:13:19 Unknown speaker being here.
  4532. 3:13:19 Unknown speaker Sure.
  4533. 3:13:23 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Do we have any other
  4534. 3:13:25 Unknown speaker questions? Okay, seeing none, um I will
  4535. 3:13:29 Unknown speaker now um open the public hearing on
  4536. 3:13:31 Unknown speaker resolution 2026-77.
  4537. 3:13:35 Unknown speaker Uh there was no one signed up. Is there
  4538. 3:13:36 Unknown speaker anyone wishing to speak on this item?
  4539. 3:13:39 Unknown speaker Okay, seeing none, I will now close the
  4540. 3:13:40 Unknown speaker public hearing. May I have a motion to
  4541. 3:13:42 Unknown speaker pass and adopt resolution 2026-77?
  4542. 3:13:46 Unknown speaker That was u moved by council member
  4543. 3:13:48 Unknown speaker Koffer, seconded by council member
  4544. 3:13:50 Unknown speaker Christ.
  4545. 3:14:03 Unknown speaker Okay, that carries unanimously. Um, we
  4546. 3:14:06 Unknown speaker are now on to items removed from consent
  4547. 3:14:09 Unknown speaker agenda. Um, item B,
  4548. 3:14:13 Unknown speaker which was, let me go back to my notes
  4549. 3:14:16 Unknown speaker here. U, that was count, you removed
  4550. 3:14:18 Unknown speaker both B and C. Um, are you making an
  4551. 3:14:21 Unknown speaker amendment on item B?
  4552. 3:14:23 Unknown speaker Um, so this was the
  4553. 3:14:25 Unknown speaker Oh, here. Let me turn on your mic. Go
  4554. 3:14:26 Unknown speaker ahead.
  4555. 3:14:27 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Um, it it actually was
  4556. 3:14:30 Unknown speaker I I I may be a no vote depending on a
  4557. 3:14:32 Unknown speaker question to the applicant potentially.
  4558. 3:14:34 Unknown speaker Um, this is the one there and the
  4559. 3:14:36 Unknown speaker applicant on on 9B is here, correct? Um,
  4560. 3:14:40 Unknown speaker so I just if if that's
  4561. 3:14:43 Unknown speaker Should we invite the is there a formal
  4562. 3:14:45 Unknown speaker process? Okay.
  4563. 3:14:46 Unknown speaker All right. Um,
  4564. 3:14:48 Unknown speaker so I I had a question kind of about the
  4565. 3:14:50 Unknown speaker market study specifically. So the market
  4566. 3:14:53 Unknown speaker study that you and you conducted the
  4567. 3:14:55 Unknown speaker market study, right? Um, and I
  4568. 3:14:56 Unknown speaker appreciated it. It was it was
  4569. 3:14:57 Unknown speaker insightful. Um, it identifies town homes
  4570. 3:14:59 Unknown speaker and row homes as kind of the strongest
  4571. 3:15:01 Unknown speaker near-term opportunity and it says that
  4572. 3:15:03 Unknown speaker there's real demand for that attainable
  4573. 3:15:05 Unknown speaker forale product, which I think we've all
  4574. 3:15:06 Unknown speaker heard a lot. Um, which I agree with. Uh
  4575. 3:15:09 Unknown speaker what housing mix are you actually
  4576. 3:15:11 Unknown speaker envisioning on the site today that
  4577. 3:15:13 Unknown speaker requires the change from single family
  4578. 3:15:16 Unknown speaker neighborhood to mixed neighborhood?
  4579. 3:15:17 Unknown speaker Sure. So under single family
  4580. 3:15:19 Unknown speaker neighborhood, you can do nothing but
  4581. 3:15:21 Unknown speaker single family. So you can't do a duplex,
  4582. 3:15:24 Unknown speaker you can't do anything more dense than a
  4583. 3:15:27 Unknown speaker single family home. Um and so by doing
  4584. 3:15:30 Unknown speaker the mixed residential neighborhood, it
  4585. 3:15:33 Unknown speaker does open the bandwidth for different
  4586. 3:15:35 Unknown speaker types of housing that we do think is
  4587. 3:15:37 Unknown speaker appropriate here. Um, I'll step into the
  4588. 3:15:40 Unknown speaker second part of your question, which is
  4589. 3:15:41 Unknown speaker what do we think the mix looks like?
  4590. 3:15:43 Unknown speaker And,
  4591. 3:15:44 Unknown speaker you know, we've hired a professional
  4592. 3:15:46 Unknown speaker planner on this to really think about
  4593. 3:15:48 Unknown speaker what the appropriate use for this site
  4594. 3:15:50 Unknown speaker is, knowing that um, density is both
  4595. 3:15:54 Unknown speaker kind of been expressed to us as a a
  4596. 3:15:56 Unknown speaker preference from the city as well as
  4597. 3:15:58 Unknown speaker something that's going to be necessary
  4598. 3:16:00 Unknown speaker for kind of u financial feasibility and
  4599. 3:16:03 Unknown speaker trying to keep these homes at a price
  4600. 3:16:05 Unknown speaker point that's attainable. Um so in in
  4601. 3:16:09 Unknown speaker kind of the conversations with those
  4602. 3:16:10 Unknown speaker planners, the project is
  4603. 3:16:14 Unknown speaker um currently scoped to kind of move in
  4604. 3:16:17 Unknown speaker density from very low against the Willis
  4605. 3:16:19 Unknown speaker Heights neighborhood, probably single
  4606. 3:16:22 Unknown speaker family or duplex um and then get more
  4607. 3:16:25 Unknown speaker dense towards the highway. under the
  4608. 3:16:27 Unknown speaker mixed residential zoning, it's kind of a
  4609. 3:16:30 Unknown speaker minimum of six, maximum of 18 um to I
  4610. 3:16:34 Unknown speaker think we've had some discussions about
  4611. 3:16:36 Unknown speaker density here tonight, but it kind of I
  4612. 3:16:39 Unknown speaker think six is a relatively low density
  4613. 3:16:42 Unknown speaker single family housing project. uh you
  4614. 3:16:44 Unknown speaker kind of get into town homes exclusively
  4615. 3:16:47 Unknown speaker at kind of the 8 to 10 and that goes up
  4616. 3:16:49 Unknown speaker to kind of 15 16 and then above that
  4617. 3:16:52 Unknown speaker gets into more kind of traditional uh
  4618. 3:16:55 Unknown speaker multifamily apartments or condos. Um so
  4619. 3:16:59 Unknown speaker I think our target density here is in
  4620. 3:17:02 Unknown speaker the kind of 10 to 12 range um with the
  4621. 3:17:05 Unknown speaker idea that it will be less dense on the
  4622. 3:17:08 Unknown speaker west side, more dense on the east side.
  4623. 3:17:11 Unknown speaker Okay, thank you. that question. Yeah,
  4624. 3:17:12 Unknown speaker that that does address the concern. I
  4625. 3:17:14 Unknown speaker just wanted to hear from you and I
  4626. 3:17:15 Unknown speaker obviously on 9C we'll talk about some of
  4627. 3:17:17 Unknown speaker the the actual development details, but
  4628. 3:17:19 Unknown speaker I I think
  4629. 3:17:20 Unknown speaker Yeah, thank you very much. You bet.
  4630. 3:17:22 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, Council Member
  4631. 3:17:24 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  4632. 3:17:28 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted before
  4633. 3:17:29 Unknown speaker we get too deep in the weeds on this
  4634. 3:17:30 Unknown speaker one, I just wanted to ask, so we're at
  4635. 3:17:33 Unknown speaker 10:12 in the evening and we have a
  4636. 3:17:37 Unknown speaker variance hearing. when we get closer to
  4637. 3:17:39 Unknown speaker time, we'll we'll have a break. We'll
  4638. 3:17:41 Unknown speaker have
  4639. 3:17:42 Unknown speaker the hearing procedures allow for like
  4640. 3:17:43 Unknown speaker substantial discussion. I just want to
  4641. 3:17:45 Unknown speaker know if we should be expecting to go
  4642. 3:17:46 Unknown speaker over or if we should let people
  4643. 3:17:48 Unknown speaker let's let's just continue with the flow
  4644. 3:17:50 Unknown speaker of the meeting. Give let's get right
  4645. 3:17:52 Unknown speaker before that item then we can redisuss.
  4646. 3:17:56 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um okay, council member
  4647. 3:18:00 Unknown speaker Prito, [snorts]
  4648. 3:18:02 Unknown speaker is Molly still with us? I think she
  4649. 3:18:05 Unknown speaker left.
  4650. 3:18:06 Unknown speaker So, okay.
  4651. 3:18:08 Unknown speaker Um, I only ask because I know that she
  4652. 3:18:11 Unknown speaker might have access to our draft housing
  4653. 3:18:15 Unknown speaker assessment.
  4654. 3:18:17 Unknown speaker Um,
  4655. 3:18:19 Unknown speaker and with that,
  4656. 3:18:21 Unknown speaker is this a housing needs assessment?
  4657. 3:18:22 Unknown speaker Uh, the housing needs assessment, which
  4658. 3:18:24 Unknown speaker is
  4659. 3:18:24 Unknown speaker or the newer one
  4660. 3:18:26 Unknown speaker because, you know,
  4661. 3:18:28 Unknown speaker that information is not provided to us
  4662. 3:18:30 Unknown speaker just yet and we're making big decisions
  4663. 3:18:32 Unknown speaker as to the types of housing that are
  4664. 3:18:34 Unknown speaker coming to Longmont. Um I think one
  4665. 3:18:37 Unknown speaker concern I have regarding well I think I
  4666. 3:18:40 Unknown speaker don't even think it's a concern you know
  4667. 3:18:42 Unknown speaker something that I'm really balancing is
  4668. 3:18:44 Unknown speaker uh yes we need mixed types of housing to
  4669. 3:18:48 Unknown speaker meet the different needs of different
  4670. 3:18:50 Unknown speaker families but we also need our single
  4671. 3:18:53 Unknown speaker family homes for our more affluent
  4672. 3:18:56 Unknown speaker families who either are living in
  4673. 3:18:59 Unknown speaker starter homes willing to upgrade and or
  4674. 3:19:02 Unknown speaker for families moving into the city of
  4675. 3:19:04 Unknown speaker Longmont. not um wanting to get into
  4676. 3:19:07 Unknown speaker maybe a larger size house. That way
  4677. 3:19:09 Unknown speaker they're not taking up the housing stock
  4678. 3:19:11 Unknown speaker that currently exists for maybe our
  4679. 3:19:13 Unknown speaker starter families. And so um it's it's
  4680. 3:19:17 Unknown speaker unfortunate that Molly's not here cuz my
  4681. 3:19:20 Unknown speaker question and and maybe to staff, anybody
  4682. 3:19:22 Unknown speaker that's wanting to take a stab at it,
  4683. 3:19:24 Unknown speaker I would say probably Harold. Yeah.
  4684. 3:19:25 Unknown speaker See the draft?
  4685. 3:19:27 Unknown speaker I haven't seen the draft yet.
  4686. 3:19:28 Unknown speaker Okay. Um so I I don't know. Um I that is
  4687. 3:19:33 Unknown speaker something that I'm weighing heavily and
  4688. 3:19:35 Unknown speaker um we have as a council been approving
  4689. 3:19:39 Unknown speaker mixed types of housing and mixed use um
  4690. 3:19:44 Unknown speaker and not so much single family homes.
  4691. 3:19:47 Unknown speaker Would this be a rental or for sale? Can
  4692. 3:19:51 Unknown speaker you can you speak to that a little bit?
  4693. 3:19:57 Unknown speaker Yeah, I think I touched on this in our
  4694. 3:19:59 Unknown speaker last discussion on the east side and I
  4695. 3:20:02 Unknown speaker think it's really going to be market
  4696. 3:20:03 Unknown speaker dependent at the time that we develop
  4697. 3:20:06 Unknown speaker and you know for better or worse there's
  4698. 3:20:08 Unknown speaker a number of additional steps moving
  4699. 3:20:10 Unknown speaker forward on this process to the point
  4700. 3:20:13 Unknown speaker where you know we were not going to be
  4701. 3:20:15 Unknown speaker able to start you know actually building
  4702. 3:20:18 Unknown speaker for 3 years and so you know I think the
  4703. 3:20:21 Unknown speaker market just moves so much faster than
  4704. 3:20:24 Unknown speaker the development process. And I kind of
  4705. 3:20:26 Unknown speaker think of this as a funnel and we're kind
  4706. 3:20:28 Unknown speaker of moving from this land could be
  4707. 3:20:30 Unknown speaker anything to we're kind of putting some
  4708. 3:20:32 Unknown speaker rough parameters on what it is. We'll
  4709. 3:20:34 Unknown speaker study it. We'll come back to you um
  4710. 3:20:37 Unknown speaker andor the planning commission first with
  4711. 3:20:39 Unknown speaker some ideas of more specifics and as we
  4712. 3:20:43 Unknown speaker get closer and closer um we can kind of
  4713. 3:20:46 Unknown speaker answer those questions more
  4714. 3:20:47 Unknown speaker definitively. I would say, you know,
  4715. 3:20:50 Unknown speaker right now um we know that there is a
  4716. 3:20:54 Unknown speaker shortage of forale um housing in the
  4717. 3:20:56 Unknown speaker city. We know that it's something that
  4718. 3:20:58 Unknown speaker this council has identified as a
  4719. 3:21:01 Unknown speaker priority. Um, so if we were at the point
  4720. 3:21:04 Unknown speaker where we were proposing something more
  4721. 3:21:06 Unknown speaker specific and answering this question in
  4722. 3:21:08 Unknown speaker more detail, I think we would um,
  4723. 3:21:10 Unknown speaker challenge ourselves very hard to be able
  4724. 3:21:12 Unknown speaker to address the needs that you have very
  4725. 3:21:16 Unknown speaker clearly put out into the market.
  4726. 3:21:18 Unknown speaker Okay. And can you speak a little bit to
  4727. 3:21:22 Unknown speaker why the change? Why why the ask of the
  4728. 3:21:24 Unknown speaker amendment? Um, what about for sale? Uh
  4729. 3:21:29 Unknown speaker I'm sorry. What about single family
  4730. 3:21:31 Unknown speaker homes? Um
  4731. 3:21:35 Unknown speaker is it some what about this is not doable
  4732. 3:21:37 Unknown speaker for you guys? Yeah. So I mean going back
  4733. 3:21:40 Unknown speaker in time if you if you rewind four years
  4734. 3:21:43 Unknown speaker there was a single family home um
  4735. 3:21:45 Unknown speaker development that was proposed for this.
  4736. 3:21:48 Unknown speaker The council at that time elected not to
  4737. 3:21:51 Unknown speaker move forward with that annexation
  4738. 3:21:53 Unknown speaker because they felt like the
  4739. 3:21:56 Unknown speaker characteristics of this site really um
  4740. 3:21:59 Unknown speaker lent itself to additional density,
  4741. 3:22:01 Unknown speaker especially if there was a thoughtful
  4742. 3:22:03 Unknown speaker transition from the single family
  4743. 3:22:05 Unknown speaker housing into the more dense along the
  4744. 3:22:08 Unknown speaker highway just because it is a major
  4745. 3:22:09 Unknown speaker transportation corridor. It is adjacent
  4746. 3:22:12 Unknown speaker to considerable amount of retail and
  4747. 3:22:14 Unknown speaker there is a transportation hub as a part
  4748. 3:22:16 Unknown speaker of this project. So for those reasons,
  4749. 3:22:19 Unknown speaker the council at that time really felt
  4750. 3:22:21 Unknown speaker like it would be underserving this
  4751. 3:22:23 Unknown speaker particular opportunity to the city to
  4752. 3:22:25 Unknown speaker only have single family homes. I think
  4753. 3:22:28 Unknown speaker the what we're proposing
  4754. 3:22:31 Unknown speaker um will have a component of trying to
  4755. 3:22:33 Unknown speaker address that. Um over the four years
  4756. 3:22:36 Unknown speaker that since that has happened um a lot of
  4757. 3:22:39 Unknown speaker things have happened to make this
  4758. 3:22:40 Unknown speaker project considerably more expensive. Um,
  4759. 3:22:43 Unknown speaker probably one of the biggest ones is just
  4760. 3:22:46 Unknown speaker what the raw water requirement for
  4761. 3:22:47 Unknown speaker annexation is. It's moved from $13,000
  4762. 3:22:51 Unknown speaker per acre foot to I think it's 59
  4763. 3:22:55 Unknown speaker something now. So, if you look at this
  4764. 3:22:57 Unknown speaker 26 acres um that means we have to
  4765. 3:23:00 Unknown speaker dedicate 78 acre feet of water. Um, at
  4766. 3:23:04 Unknown speaker $59,000 an acre foot, that's $4.6
  4767. 3:23:06 Unknown speaker million. So, if you try to, you know,
  4768. 3:23:09 Unknown speaker amortize that cost over just a hundred
  4769. 3:23:12 Unknown speaker homes, every single home has a $46,000
  4770. 3:23:16 Unknown speaker um tax on it essentially just for raw
  4771. 3:23:20 Unknown speaker water, which doesn't actually get you
  4772. 3:23:21 Unknown speaker taps or pipes to get the water there.
  4773. 3:23:24 Unknown speaker And so those infrastructure costs have
  4774. 3:23:27 Unknown speaker just gone up and up and up. As a part of
  4775. 3:23:29 Unknown speaker our discussion with the neighborhood, um
  4776. 3:23:32 Unknown speaker we originally had a plan to um connect
  4777. 3:23:35 Unknown speaker to Park Ridge Avenue and utilize the
  4778. 3:23:38 Unknown speaker light at that intersection as the left
  4779. 3:23:40 Unknown speaker out from this neighborhood. Uh the
  4780. 3:23:43 Unknown speaker neighbors were very vocal about not
  4781. 3:23:45 Unknown speaker wanting additional traffic coming
  4782. 3:23:46 Unknown speaker through u their neighborhood. Uh we
  4783. 3:23:49 Unknown speaker listened to that. um we felt like that
  4784. 3:23:52 Unknown speaker that had some
  4785. 3:23:55 Unknown speaker um justifiable concerns associated with
  4786. 3:23:57 Unknown speaker it and completely redesigned the project
  4787. 3:23:59 Unknown speaker to put a light on the north side of the
  4788. 3:24:01 Unknown speaker project. Um there's a number of reasons
  4789. 3:24:04 Unknown speaker why that I think is great for this
  4790. 3:24:06 Unknown speaker project, the project on the east, the
  4791. 3:24:07 Unknown speaker RTD station. Um but uh it adds another
  4792. 3:24:11 Unknown speaker cost to the project that needs to get
  4793. 3:24:13 Unknown speaker amvertised over the home. So, I think in
  4794. 3:24:16 Unknown speaker trying to find a balance between what
  4795. 3:24:18 Unknown speaker the city's housing needs are, what the
  4796. 3:24:20 Unknown speaker kind of unique elements of this property
  4797. 3:24:23 Unknown speaker are and keeping in mind we're trying to
  4798. 3:24:26 Unknown speaker make this attainable to people who live
  4799. 3:24:28 Unknown speaker and work in this city.
  4800. 3:24:30 Unknown speaker That's important.
  4801. 3:24:31 Unknown speaker All of those factors have kind of led us
  4802. 3:24:33 Unknown speaker to trying to find this right balance.
  4803. 3:24:37 Unknown speaker I appreciate you explaining that. Thank
  4804. 3:24:39 Unknown speaker you.
  4805. 3:24:40 Unknown speaker Thank you. If I can answer part of the
  4806. 3:24:42 Unknown speaker question that was asked earlier. Um
  4807. 3:24:45 Unknown speaker I think generally on the for sale side,
  4808. 3:24:47 Unknown speaker we're seeing we probably need product
  4809. 3:24:51 Unknown speaker across all sectors of the market. Um if
  4810. 3:24:54 Unknown speaker we go back to the um presentation that
  4811. 3:24:58 Unknown speaker we made on the budget and we actually
  4812. 3:24:59 Unknown speaker talked about the developable areas that
  4813. 3:25:02 Unknown speaker were remaining within the community and
  4814. 3:25:05 Unknown speaker and Teresa talked about how much vacant
  4815. 3:25:07 Unknown speaker land we actually have. there's not a vac
  4816. 3:25:09 Unknown speaker a lot of vacant land and just from the
  4817. 3:25:13 Unknown speaker work that we've done on this. Um when
  4818. 3:25:16 Unknown speaker you when you look at it, it really is
  4819. 3:25:18 Unknown speaker how are you trying to take the cost of
  4820. 3:25:21 Unknown speaker the the horizontal improvements and
  4821. 3:25:25 Unknown speaker minimize the impact on the cost of a
  4822. 3:25:27 Unknown speaker home. Um and so the project that we
  4823. 3:25:30 Unknown speaker worked on, um when we talk about True
  4824. 3:25:33 Unknown speaker North, that was a big part of it. Um,
  4825. 3:25:35 Unknown speaker and so that's then where the density
  4826. 3:25:37 Unknown speaker played into that project because the
  4827. 3:25:40 Unknown speaker more units you can put in, the lower the
  4828. 3:25:42 Unknown speaker impact of the horizontal infrastructure
  4829. 3:25:45 Unknown speaker plays into the cost of the housing. So
  4830. 3:25:48 Unknown speaker to answer your question, it's probably
  4831. 3:25:50 Unknown speaker going to tell us we need for sale across
  4832. 3:25:53 Unknown speaker all sectors. Um, and if we look at some
  4833. 3:25:57 Unknown speaker of our larger forale developments that
  4834. 3:25:59 Unknown speaker are at higher price points, they're
  4835. 3:26:01 Unknown speaker actually pretty dense, too, because
  4836. 3:26:02 Unknown speaker they're trying to manage the same issues
  4837. 3:26:05 Unknown speaker on those. So, if you think of the most
  4838. 3:26:08 Unknown speaker recent development off of Nelson and
  4839. 3:26:09 Unknown speaker 75th,
  4840. 3:26:11 Unknown speaker really expensive homes, but they're also
  4841. 3:26:13 Unknown speaker having to to really maximize the density
  4842. 3:26:16 Unknown speaker to minimize those costs.
  4843. 3:26:19 Unknown speaker I think that's what it's probably going
  4844. 3:26:20 Unknown speaker to say, but I haven't seen the draft.
  4845. 3:26:23 Unknown speaker Thank you. Okay, great. Thank you,
  4846. 3:26:25 Unknown speaker Council Member Christ.
  4847. 3:26:28 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor, and thank you, city
  4848. 3:26:30 Unknown speaker manager, for a fine description of
  4849. 3:26:34 Unknown speaker what's going on in the in the building
  4850. 3:26:37 Unknown speaker arena. Uh, I have a question actually
  4851. 3:26:39 Unknown speaker for city attorney. Uh, in one, our
  4852. 3:26:43 Unknown speaker packet and attachment 12, the historic
  4853. 3:26:46 Unknown speaker preservation commission made a motion to
  4854. 3:26:49 Unknown speaker preserve the established farmhouse.
  4855. 3:26:52 Unknown speaker Isn't it? Isn't it the same?
  4856. 3:26:54 Unknown speaker It's the next item.
  4857. 3:26:55 Unknown speaker It's the next item. Yeah. If you want to
  4858. 3:26:57 Unknown speaker save that question for the next item.
  4859. 3:27:00 Unknown speaker Well, okay. So,
  4860. 3:27:01 Unknown speaker okay.
  4861. 3:27:01 Unknown speaker I have that.
  4862. 3:27:02 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Okay. So, I have another
  4863. 3:27:04 Unknown speaker question for Mr. Nells.
  4864. 3:27:06 Unknown speaker Um,
  4865. 3:27:09 Unknown speaker and to be continued.
  4866. 3:27:13 Unknown speaker Um, when do you have to satisfy your raw
  4867. 3:27:16 Unknown speaker water requirement?
  4868. 3:27:18 Unknown speaker Do do you know when you have to come to
  4869. 3:27:20 Unknown speaker the table with raw water completion?
  4870. 3:27:24 Unknown speaker So it could be at time of annexation or
  4871. 3:27:27 Unknown speaker at time of building permit um at our
  4872. 3:27:30 Unknown speaker election. So we couldn't kind of prepay
  4873. 3:27:33 Unknown speaker it back when it was cheap because we
  4874. 3:27:34 Unknown speaker looked into doing that. It wasn't
  4875. 3:27:36 Unknown speaker annexed in and so it wasn't something
  4876. 3:27:39 Unknown speaker that was on the table for us. So as soon
  4877. 3:27:41 Unknown speaker as it gets annexed in, it's eligible to
  4878. 3:27:43 Unknown speaker be paid but we don't have to pay it
  4879. 3:27:45 Unknown speaker until we pull a building permit.
  4880. 3:27:47 Unknown speaker Okay? because we did just approve, you
  4881. 3:27:50 Unknown speaker know, some different indices to
  4882. 3:27:52 Unknown speaker determine that cost. So, I'm interested
  4883. 3:27:54 Unknown speaker to know if that might change for you
  4884. 3:27:56 Unknown speaker going forward.
  4885. 3:27:58 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  4886. 3:27:59 Unknown speaker my guess is it's not going down.
  4887. 3:28:01 Unknown speaker Not necessarily. We actually um the
  4888. 3:28:04 Unknown speaker water board decided on three different
  4889. 3:28:06 Unknown speaker indices that um all taken together kind
  4890. 3:28:09 Unknown speaker of um [clears throat] moderate the price
  4891. 3:28:11 Unknown speaker of water. So, it may be better coming in
  4892. 3:28:14 Unknown speaker 2027 for you. I know they're extremely
  4893. 3:28:16 Unknown speaker thoughtful in how they think about this
  4894. 3:28:18 Unknown speaker and how they advise you on the fees. So,
  4895. 3:28:20 Unknown speaker that's great to hear.
  4896. 3:28:21 Unknown speaker Yeah. Okay. Okay. Good. Thank you.
  4897. 3:28:23 Unknown speaker Great. So, um do we have a motion
  4898. 3:28:28 Unknown speaker to um pass ordinance 2026-75?
  4899. 3:28:34 Unknown speaker Salute.
  4900. 3:28:35 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made by
  4901. 3:28:37 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom. I will second that.
  4902. 3:28:41 Unknown speaker Okay. And
  4903. 3:28:43 Unknown speaker yeah. Um, okay. And then do we have any
  4904. 3:28:47 Unknown speaker comments from
  4905. 3:28:50 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4906. 3:28:51 Unknown speaker totally lost my connection again.
  4907. 3:29:00 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we're wait I know he was call
  4908. 3:29:02 Unknown speaker it's over. [laughter]
  4909. 3:29:03 Unknown speaker So, I mean we could take a twominut
  4910. 3:29:05 Unknown speaker break. Let's take a two-minut break. Um,
  4911. 3:29:08 Unknown speaker while we're waiting for Council Member
  4912. 3:29:10 Unknown speaker Popin,
  4913. 3:29:50 Unknown speaker Just want to pay attention.
  4914. 3:30:09 Unknown speaker I know.
  4915. 3:30:17 Unknown speaker I was going to tell
  4916. 3:30:47 Unknown speaker Target people.
  4917. 3:30:50 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  4918. 3:31:05 Unknown speaker Prioritization system.
  4919. 3:31:28 Unknown speaker Okay, if council members can make their
  4920. 3:31:30 Unknown speaker way back
  4921. 3:31:31 Unknown speaker because of the magnet.
  4922. 3:31:34 Unknown speaker Um, now we can move on with voting.
  4923. 3:31:41 Unknown speaker Okay. So,
  4924. 3:31:45 Unknown speaker okay. So, um, Council Member Christ and
  4925. 3:31:50 Unknown speaker Council Member Prito, I need your vote.
  4926. 3:31:52 Unknown speaker Oh. Oh, we're voting.
  4927. 3:31:53 Unknown speaker We are voting.
  4928. 3:31:59 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  4929. 3:32:01 Unknown speaker are now on to
  4930. 3:32:03 Unknown speaker um item C, ordinance 2026-76.
  4931. 3:32:07 Unknown speaker And that was pulled by council member
  4932. 3:32:09 Unknown speaker Marcen.
  4933. 3:32:10 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Um, I have I
  4934. 3:32:12 Unknown speaker appreciate the applicant and I
  4935. 3:32:13 Unknown speaker appreciate the conversation earlier. I I
  4936. 3:32:15 Unknown speaker have, you know, as we've talked about
  4937. 3:32:16 Unknown speaker tonight, annexation is one of the few
  4938. 3:32:18 Unknown speaker opportunities where we have legislative
  4939. 3:32:19 Unknown speaker prerogative to be a little bit choosy
  4940. 3:32:21 Unknown speaker about how how we we move forward on
  4941. 3:32:24 Unknown speaker projects like this. So, I actually have
  4942. 3:32:25 Unknown speaker have three conditions on the annexation
  4943. 3:32:28 Unknown speaker that I'd like to offer here on first and
  4944. 3:32:30 Unknown speaker then uh for my council teammates
  4945. 3:32:32 Unknown speaker consideration. So, mayor, would you
  4946. 3:32:33 Unknown speaker prefer that I make the motions for the
  4947. 3:32:35 Unknown speaker conditions first and then explain them
  4948. 3:32:37 Unknown speaker or that I
  4949. 3:32:38 Unknown speaker Yes, make the motion first.
  4950. 3:32:39 Unknown speaker So, um Don, this is the first one. Do
  4951. 3:32:41 Unknown speaker you have I sent that earlier today.
  4952. 3:32:42 Unknown speaker I have them. You can do them. I'm going
  4953. 3:32:44 Unknown speaker to do one at a time. Yeah. One, two,
  4954. 3:32:46 Unknown speaker three. Um, so I move that as a condition
  4955. 3:32:50 Unknown speaker of annexation, at least 50% of all
  4956. 3:32:53 Unknown speaker dwelling units developed on the property
  4957. 3:32:55 Unknown speaker shall be on individually platted lots or
  4958. 3:32:58 Unknown speaker condominium units established for
  4959. 3:33:00 Unknown speaker separate individual ownership. In
  4960. 3:33:02 Unknown speaker addition, at least 75% of all dwelling
  4961. 3:33:05 Unknown speaker units developed within the lower density
  4962. 3:33:07 Unknown speaker residential area identified on the
  4963. 3:33:09 Unknown speaker approved concept plan shall be qualified
  4964. 3:33:12 Unknown speaker ownership designated units. In this
  4965. 3:33:14 Unknown speaker ordinance, qualifying ownership
  4966. 3:33:16 Unknown speaker designated units means single family
  4967. 3:33:18 Unknown speaker detached, single family attached, town
  4968. 3:33:20 Unknown speaker home, row home, duplex, triplex, or
  4969. 3:33:23 Unknown speaker condominium units.
  4970. 3:33:26 Unknown speaker Second.
  4971. 3:33:27 Unknown speaker Okay,
  4972. 3:33:27 Unknown speaker I'm happy to speak to it there.
  4973. 3:33:29 Unknown speaker Um, yeah. So, the motion has been made
  4974. 3:33:30 Unknown speaker to amend Ordinance 2026-76.
  4975. 3:33:34 Unknown speaker Um, as a condition of annexation,
  4976. 3:33:36 Unknown speaker at least 50% of all dwelling units
  4977. 3:33:39 Unknown speaker developed on the property shall be
  4978. 3:33:41 Unknown speaker individually platted lots or condominium
  4979. 3:33:45 Unknown speaker units established for separate
  4980. 3:33:47 Unknown speaker individual ownership. In addition, at
  4981. 3:33:50 Unknown speaker least 75% of all dwelling units
  4982. 3:33:53 Unknown speaker developed within the lower density
  4983. 3:33:54 Unknown speaker residential area identified on the
  4984. 3:33:57 Unknown speaker approved concept plan shall be
  4985. 3:33:59 Unknown speaker qualifying ownership designated units.
  4986. 3:34:02 Unknown speaker In this ordinance, qualifying ownership
  4987. 3:34:05 Unknown speaker designated units means single family
  4988. 3:34:07 Unknown speaker detached, single family attached, town
  4989. 3:34:10 Unknown speaker home, row home, duplex, triplex, and
  4990. 3:34:13 Unknown speaker condominium units. I kind of did this
  4991. 3:34:15 Unknown speaker for my own understanding. Thank you,
  4992. 3:34:17 Unknown speaker Mayor. Yeah. for you for you because
  4993. 3:34:18 Unknown speaker I've seen like him trying to I've seen
  4994. 3:34:21 Unknown speaker them trying to take notes and it was
  4995. 3:34:22 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Briette
  4996. 3:34:24 Unknown speaker though.
  4997. 3:34:24 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. No and I appreciate my
  4998. 3:34:26 Unknown speaker my goal here is not to lock the
  4999. 3:34:27 Unknown speaker applicant into anything. That's not why
  5000. 3:34:28 Unknown speaker I'm saying 100% absolutely has to be all
  5001. 3:34:31 Unknown speaker one way or the other. I think what the
  5002. 3:34:34 Unknown speaker as we've talked about tonight, this is
  5003. 3:34:35 Unknown speaker really an opportunity where we should
  5004. 3:34:37 Unknown speaker use the conversation deliberately and
  5005. 3:34:39 Unknown speaker not necessarily just accept whatever
  5006. 3:34:41 Unknown speaker housing product is easiest to finance
  5007. 3:34:43 Unknown speaker whatever, you know, if we recognize and
  5008. 3:34:45 Unknown speaker the applicant themselves recognizes that
  5009. 3:34:47 Unknown speaker there's a community need that this
  5010. 3:34:48 Unknown speaker project could be filling. Let's ask them
  5011. 3:34:51 Unknown speaker to at least make a good faith effort to
  5012. 3:34:52 Unknown speaker fill it as part of the annexation
  5013. 3:34:54 Unknown speaker condition. I in my view the concept plan
  5014. 3:34:56 Unknown speaker is is pretty is honestly exceptionally
  5015. 3:34:58 Unknown speaker broad even even a little broader than
  5016. 3:35:00 Unknown speaker what we're used to. Um and like the
  5017. 3:35:03 Unknown speaker lower density and higher d I mean we're
  5018. 3:35:04 Unknown speaker talking I mentioned it earlier we're
  5019. 3:35:05 Unknown speaker talking about between 156 and 468 units.
  5020. 3:35:09 Unknown speaker Um I'm not comfortable approving
  5021. 3:35:11 Unknown speaker annexation without clear guardrails
  5022. 3:35:14 Unknown speaker about exactly what we're getting. And I
  5023. 3:35:15 Unknown speaker I want to mention too, I am really
  5024. 3:35:17 Unknown speaker sympathetic to the applicants kind of
  5025. 3:35:18 Unknown speaker being bounced around a bit since this
  5026. 3:35:20 Unknown speaker was first brought forward in 21 when I
  5027. 3:35:22 Unknown speaker you know, you read back on the council
  5028. 3:35:24 Unknown speaker comments. Council at that time said
  5029. 3:35:25 Unknown speaker density here makes sense. I agree
  5030. 3:35:27 Unknown speaker density here makes sense. That's why I I
  5031. 3:35:29 Unknown speaker supported the change to multif family. I
  5032. 3:35:32 Unknown speaker think what that density looks like
  5033. 3:35:34 Unknown speaker matters, especially because we know and
  5034. 3:35:36 Unknown speaker and the applicants already identified
  5035. 3:35:37 Unknown speaker that we have seen downward pressure on
  5036. 3:35:39 Unknown speaker rents. So, if we're going to annex this
  5037. 3:35:41 Unknown speaker into the city, I would like to see a a
  5038. 3:35:43 Unknown speaker real commitment made to to ownership and
  5039. 3:35:46 Unknown speaker to individually platted lots on the
  5040. 3:35:48 Unknown speaker rental side as well. So, um that that's
  5041. 3:35:51 Unknown speaker the motion.
  5042. 3:35:52 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5043. 3:35:54 Unknown speaker Council member Kulkoffer.
  5044. 3:35:58 Unknown speaker Kind of curious to hear from the
  5045. 3:36:00 Unknown speaker applicant. Um
  5046. 3:36:02 Unknown speaker me too. [laughter] I see processing. And
  5047. 3:36:05 Unknown speaker if you need me to repeat anything,
  5048. 3:36:08 Unknown speaker um, you know, I I would just be curious
  5049. 3:36:10 Unknown speaker to know if this is even, um, doable.
  5050. 3:36:14 Unknown speaker Um, [laughter]
  5051. 3:36:15 Unknown speaker I mean, and it's on the fly to like
  5052. 3:36:18 Unknown speaker crunch those numbers really, really
  5053. 3:36:19 Unknown speaker fast. [laughter]
  5054. 3:36:22 Unknown speaker Um,
  5055. 3:36:23 Unknown speaker yeah, I'm I'm trying to just wrap my
  5056. 3:36:25 Unknown speaker head around even what the requirements
  5057. 3:36:27 Unknown speaker are and I think that we would need some
  5058. 3:36:29 Unknown speaker time to digest what the implications are
  5059. 3:36:32 Unknown speaker to the project to do this. I think
  5060. 3:36:35 Unknown speaker there's also some nuance on what
  5061. 3:36:38 Unknown speaker individually platted or condoed yeah
  5062. 3:36:40 Unknown speaker means um from a legal standpoint
  5063. 3:36:43 Unknown speaker and then you know I think the second one
  5064. 3:36:46 Unknown speaker the lower density
  5065. 3:36:48 Unknown speaker ownership our qualifying ownership units
  5066. 3:36:52 Unknown speaker I is that about product type or is the I
  5067. 3:36:55 Unknown speaker don't know what a qualified ownership
  5068. 3:36:57 Unknown speaker unit is or if there's a legal
  5069. 3:36:59 Unknown speaker definition. Jeremy can help me out on
  5070. 3:37:01 Unknown speaker some of this. And I appreciate staff as
  5071. 3:37:02 Unknown speaker well for working with me on these
  5072. 3:37:03 Unknown speaker earlier today.
  5073. 3:37:11 Unknown speaker So I is qualified ownership you
  5074. 3:37:15 Unknown speaker designated unit is that a legal term in
  5075. 3:37:18 Unknown speaker the code somewhere or is that the
  5076. 3:37:20 Unknown speaker definition that you've given which means
  5077. 3:37:23 Unknown speaker single family detach, single family
  5078. 3:37:25 Unknown speaker attached, town home, row home?
  5079. 3:37:27 Unknown speaker Yes. duplex, triplex or condominium
  5080. 3:37:29 Unknown speaker units.
  5081. 3:37:30 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5082. 3:37:31 Unknown speaker So if that is the definition to to me
  5083. 3:37:35 Unknown speaker that um
  5084. 3:37:38 Unknown speaker is very much in line with the intention
  5085. 3:37:41 Unknown speaker of that particular area.
  5086. 3:37:44 Unknown speaker Yeah. And and that's I think to the to
  5087. 3:37:46 Unknown speaker the point earlier of of I I hear that in
  5088. 3:37:48 Unknown speaker in what you've provided. I think from
  5089. 3:37:50 Unknown speaker our perspective, codifying that and
  5090. 3:37:51 Unknown speaker saying yes, that is a condition of
  5091. 3:37:53 Unknown speaker annexation that as you move through the
  5092. 3:37:54 Unknown speaker development process, we want to see that
  5093. 3:37:55 Unknown speaker come to fruition is is is part of the
  5094. 3:37:57 Unknown speaker goal.
  5095. 3:37:57 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, so I I guess where I'm landing
  5096. 3:37:59 Unknown speaker on this one is the second one to me, I I
  5097. 3:38:02 Unknown speaker think that I have a really good
  5098. 3:38:03 Unknown speaker understanding of it and I think that it
  5099. 3:38:05 Unknown speaker is in alignment with our intentions. The
  5100. 3:38:08 Unknown speaker first one to me, I I can't say that I
  5101. 3:38:11 Unknown speaker really understand fully the um
  5102. 3:38:14 Unknown speaker implications of that. I I think I'd need
  5103. 3:38:16 Unknown speaker to talk to Kristen, our planner, and
  5104. 3:38:19 Unknown speaker Grant to really understand what that
  5105. 3:38:21 Unknown speaker does to the next steps of the process in
  5106. 3:38:24 Unknown speaker terms of, you know, as we go through,
  5107. 3:38:27 Unknown speaker you know, so the next step would be to
  5108. 3:38:30 Unknown speaker plat it and to put in the public
  5109. 3:38:32 Unknown speaker improvements and then the step beyond
  5110. 3:38:34 Unknown speaker that would be to um do the actual site
  5111. 3:38:37 Unknown speaker development permits. And so what I don't
  5112. 3:38:40 Unknown speaker understand is how that impacts the
  5113. 3:38:42 Unknown speaker workflow as we move forward. So yeah,
  5114. 3:38:46 Unknown speaker that one is more troubling.
  5115. 3:38:47 Unknown speaker And I it's Are you referring to the at
  5116. 3:38:49 Unknown speaker least 50% of all dwelling units
  5117. 3:38:52 Unknown speaker developed on the property shall be
  5118. 3:38:54 Unknown speaker individually platted lots? Okay.
  5119. 3:38:56 Unknown speaker Or condo
  5120. 3:38:57 Unknown speaker or condominium units established.
  5121. 3:38:59 Unknown speaker So I I just
  5122. 3:39:00 Unknown speaker The goal in adding the condo line
  5123. 3:39:02 Unknown speaker specific Sorry, Mayor, I didn't mean to.
  5124. 3:39:03 Unknown speaker No, no, no. I was just trying to
  5125. 3:39:05 Unknown speaker The goal is to offer you more
  5126. 3:39:06 Unknown speaker flexibility in terms of what gets
  5127. 3:39:08 Unknown speaker developed in that space and not
  5128. 3:39:09 Unknown speaker necessarily to limit it within within
  5129. 3:39:11 Unknown speaker the annexation agreement. The goal is to
  5130. 3:39:13 Unknown speaker say if you feel condos are appropriate
  5131. 3:39:15 Unknown speaker here, the goal of the 50% number is the
  5132. 3:39:17 Unknown speaker individual platted for ownership. That
  5133. 3:39:19 Unknown speaker that that really is the goal. Um is is
  5134. 3:39:22 Unknown speaker that we're trying to establish
  5135. 3:39:24 Unknown speaker individual ownership among 50% of of
  5136. 3:39:27 Unknown speaker dwelling units on the property and in
  5137. 3:39:29 Unknown speaker terms of the platting process. That
  5138. 3:39:31 Unknown speaker that's really the the overall goal.
  5139. 3:39:35 Unknown speaker Kristen or Grant, do you have any sort
  5140. 3:39:36 Unknown speaker of thoughts on what that does to the
  5141. 3:39:38 Unknown speaker process?
  5142. 3:39:46 Unknown speaker Uh, good evening council. Um, I guess to
  5143. 3:39:49 Unknown speaker answer the question, Grant Pen, uh,
  5144. 3:39:50 Unknown speaker Planning and Development Services. To
  5145. 3:39:52 Unknown speaker answer the question, I mean,
  5146. 3:39:54 Unknown speaker procedurally, I don't think it
  5147. 3:39:55 Unknown speaker necessarily changes the overall next
  5148. 3:39:58 Unknown speaker steps in the process. Uh, depending on
  5149. 3:40:00 Unknown speaker the path that the applicant chooses. Um,
  5150. 3:40:03 Unknown speaker obviously, uh, platting more than three
  5151. 3:40:05 Unknown speaker individual units necessitates
  5152. 3:40:07 Unknown speaker preliminary plat. um that would have to
  5153. 3:40:09 Unknown speaker go through typical process in front of
  5154. 3:40:12 Unknown speaker our planning commission. Alternatively,
  5155. 3:40:14 Unknown speaker um if a condo product were to be
  5156. 3:40:17 Unknown speaker proposed um that would follow the
  5157. 3:40:20 Unknown speaker general parameters of a site plan um and
  5158. 3:40:24 Unknown speaker again depending on the specifics um that
  5159. 3:40:28 Unknown speaker would be eligible for administrative
  5160. 3:40:30 Unknown speaker approval. Um but broadly I don't think
  5161. 3:40:33 Unknown speaker that changes anything in terms of the
  5162. 3:40:35 Unknown speaker next steps that we would anticipate
  5163. 3:40:37 Unknown speaker again um generally next step subdivision
  5164. 3:40:41 Unknown speaker um further step site plan if that if
  5165. 3:40:44 Unknown speaker that helps.
  5166. 3:40:44 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  5167. 3:40:46 Unknown speaker Okay, Council Member Christ.
  5168. 3:40:52 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor.
  5169. 3:40:57 Unknown speaker and thank you for being such good sports
  5170. 3:40:59 Unknown speaker in this um horse trading that we do up
  5171. 3:41:02 Unknown speaker here. Um I'm I'm looking at your uh land
  5172. 3:41:05 Unknown speaker use and marketing uh survey and I
  5173. 3:41:08 Unknown speaker noticed um one of the first things I
  5174. 3:41:10 Unknown speaker noticed when I started reading it is
  5175. 3:41:12 Unknown speaker that it seems like the survey suggests
  5176. 3:41:15 Unknown speaker that things are changing in the market.
  5177. 3:41:18 Unknown speaker And uh when you go I think it's on page
  5178. 3:41:20 Unknown speaker three, the Longmont Gateway North
  5179. 3:41:23 Unknown speaker residential development implications. It
  5180. 3:41:26 Unknown speaker says best near ne near-term prospects.
  5181. 3:41:29 Unknown speaker Number three is modest single family.
  5182. 3:41:33 Unknown speaker And I do believe uh that struck me
  5183. 3:41:36 Unknown speaker because you don't see that written very
  5184. 3:41:38 Unknown speaker often, but I do believe that's where the
  5185. 3:41:40 Unknown speaker market is going and also where uh the
  5186. 3:41:43 Unknown speaker demand is going in Longmont.
  5187. 3:41:46 Unknown speaker The other thing is this is the gateway
  5188. 3:41:48 Unknown speaker project and we had talked um in talking
  5189. 3:41:51 Unknown speaker with the developers they were talking
  5190. 3:41:52 Unknown speaker about having more density towards the
  5191. 3:41:55 Unknown speaker highway 287.
  5192. 3:41:57 Unknown speaker But remember that when people come into
  5193. 3:41:59 Unknown speaker town this is something that they're
  5194. 3:42:00 Unknown speaker going to see first.
  5195. 3:42:03 Unknown speaker And I'm thinking as a council and just
  5196. 3:42:08 Unknown speaker for all of us to think, you know, we
  5197. 3:42:10 Unknown speaker want to be proud of what we build there
  5198. 3:42:12 Unknown speaker in the next 10 to 15 years. we we need
  5199. 3:42:15 Unknown speaker to really consider what's it going to
  5200. 3:42:16 Unknown speaker look like and how's it going to
  5201. 3:42:18 Unknown speaker represent the city and and so I just
  5202. 3:42:21 Unknown speaker wanted to throw that out to everyone to
  5203. 3:42:24 Unknown speaker consider as we're making this decision
  5204. 3:42:27 Unknown speaker and thank you Mr. Penland for explaining
  5205. 3:42:29 Unknown speaker what that might mean to the process.
  5206. 3:42:32 Unknown speaker Thank you uh Mayor Prom.
  5207. 3:42:34 Unknown speaker Oh thank you mayor.
  5208. 3:42:37 Unknown speaker I wonder if this it's it wouldn't be
  5209. 3:42:42 Unknown speaker fair for the applicant to come back and
  5210. 3:42:47 Unknown speaker uh at our next regular meeting and give
  5211. 3:42:49 Unknown speaker us a response about these things because
  5212. 3:42:52 Unknown speaker it seems like uh uh we would want to be
  5213. 3:42:57 Unknown speaker uh you know e fair and equitable in this
  5214. 3:43:00 Unknown speaker case here to to see is that something
  5215. 3:43:03 Unknown speaker that is a reasonable request that way
  5216. 3:43:06 Unknown speaker they actually give us that. I I kind of
  5217. 3:43:09 Unknown speaker feel like these are kind of
  5218. 3:43:11 Unknown speaker I thought there was a timeline. Isn't
  5219. 3:43:13 Unknown speaker there a timeline?
  5220. 3:43:16 Unknown speaker Um
  5221. 3:43:18 Unknown speaker yes. So
  5222. 3:43:20 Unknown speaker but then there's also like notices to
  5223. 3:43:22 Unknown speaker the public. There's there's several
  5224. 3:43:24 Unknown speaker things that have to happen.
  5225. 3:43:27 Unknown speaker It's not just for us.
  5226. 3:43:28 Unknown speaker I just
  5227. 3:43:30 Unknown speaker the short answer is yes. It's possible.
  5228. 3:43:33 Unknown speaker Um, so when council considered the first
  5229. 3:43:35 Unknown speaker resolution that establishes
  5230. 3:43:40 Unknown speaker the hearing date
  5231. 3:43:42 Unknown speaker for the second reading public hearing.
  5232. 3:43:46 Unknown speaker This is going to sound weird, but under
  5233. 3:43:47 Unknown speaker the Municipal Annization Act, you're
  5234. 3:43:49 Unknown speaker allowed to continue the public hearing
  5235. 3:43:51 Unknown speaker as long as the hearing is open for at
  5236. 3:43:53 Unknown speaker least one hour.
  5237. 3:43:55 Unknown speaker That doesn't mean you get the item only
  5238. 3:43:57 Unknown speaker open for 1 hour. So, as long as we come
  5239. 3:43:59 Unknown speaker back on the public hearing date for the
  5240. 3:44:02 Unknown speaker applicant to reconsider the first
  5241. 3:44:03 Unknown speaker reading, as long as we open the item and
  5242. 3:44:06 Unknown speaker then come back to it after looking at
  5243. 3:44:08 Unknown speaker some other items, if we don't take the
  5244. 3:44:09 Unknown speaker full hour, that's fine.
  5245. 3:44:12 Unknown speaker So, the short answer, yes, it's doable.
  5246. 3:44:17 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5247. 3:44:19 Unknown speaker Oh god.
  5248. 3:44:19 Unknown speaker Say that again.
  5249. 3:44:20 Unknown speaker Okay, sure.
  5250. 3:44:21 Unknown speaker Um, so the Municipal Annexation Act
  5251. 3:44:23 Unknown speaker required that on the first resolution,
  5252. 3:44:25 Unknown speaker we establish a public hearing date. We
  5253. 3:44:27 Unknown speaker already did that the last council
  5254. 3:44:28 Unknown speaker meeting. Yes.
  5255. 3:44:29 Unknown speaker Um
  5256. 3:44:30 Unknown speaker we have to publish it four conse for
  5257. 3:44:32 Unknown speaker four consecutive weeks in the newspaper.
  5258. 3:44:34 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  5259. 3:44:35 Unknown speaker And the act requires a public hearing
  5260. 3:44:37 Unknown speaker take place on that day.
  5261. 3:44:39 Unknown speaker The act allows the public hearing to be
  5262. 3:44:41 Unknown speaker continued if after one hour of testimony
  5263. 3:44:44 Unknown speaker is one hour of the public hearing
  5264. 3:44:46 Unknown speaker happens,
  5265. 3:44:48 Unknown speaker additional time is needed. It sounds
  5266. 3:44:50 Unknown speaker like that's what uh Mayor Prom McCoy is
  5267. 3:44:52 Unknown speaker suggesting is that we allow the
  5268. 3:44:54 Unknown speaker applicant time to come back, consider
  5269. 3:44:56 Unknown speaker this condition, come back the public
  5270. 3:44:58 Unknown speaker hearing date. As long as you open the
  5271. 3:45:00 Unknown speaker item and say, "Hey, we're here for the
  5272. 3:45:02 Unknown speaker item." You can move on to other business
  5273. 3:45:04 Unknown speaker and then come back to close the item
  5274. 3:45:06 Unknown speaker after one hour.
  5275. 3:45:07 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5276. 3:45:08 Unknown speaker And you're talking about if we did that
  5277. 3:45:10 Unknown speaker at the next
  5278. 3:45:11 Unknown speaker at the public hearing date.
  5279. 3:45:12 Unknown speaker At the public hearing date,
  5280. 3:45:14 Unknown speaker which is the next
  5281. 3:45:16 Unknown speaker November, is it November?
  5282. 3:45:18 Unknown speaker November 3rd. November.
  5283. 3:45:19 Unknown speaker November 3rd.
  5284. 3:45:19 Unknown speaker I believe November 3rd is the date for
  5285. 3:45:21 Unknown speaker the
  5286. 3:45:22 Unknown speaker two weeks from from tonight.
  5287. 3:45:23 Unknown speaker That's Yes.
  5288. 3:45:26 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5289. 3:45:26 Unknown speaker It's weird, but
  5290. 3:45:27 Unknown speaker yeah,
  5291. 3:45:28 Unknown speaker just because of the statuto
  5292. 3:45:29 Unknown speaker requirements.
  5293. 3:45:30 Unknown speaker Um, no, I'm just wondering how much
  5294. 3:45:33 Unknown speaker we're convoluting. So,
  5295. 3:45:35 Unknown speaker well, I I'm not trying to add a layer of
  5296. 3:45:37 Unknown speaker of
  5297. 3:45:38 Unknown speaker complexity
  5298. 3:45:39 Unknown speaker complexity to it. It's just that I
  5299. 3:45:42 Unknown speaker I would
  5300. 3:45:42 Unknown speaker I guess Yeah, I want to know the
  5301. 3:45:44 Unknown speaker purpose. What would be the purpose of
  5302. 3:45:45 Unknown speaker Well, I I would want to make sure that
  5303. 3:45:48 Unknown speaker they
  5304. 3:45:50 Unknown speaker Well, I that they fully understood the
  5305. 3:45:54 Unknown speaker Okay. If you think they can come back on
  5306. 3:45:56 Unknown speaker second reading and
  5307. 3:45:58 Unknown speaker get that same level of
  5308. 3:46:02 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5309. 3:46:04 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5310. 3:46:04 Unknown speaker It wouldn't have to necessarily be
  5311. 3:46:06 Unknown speaker second reading at that point either. It
  5312. 3:46:08 Unknown speaker would just be
  5313. 3:46:09 Unknown speaker the public hearing. So there there's no
  5314. 3:46:11 Unknown speaker statutory requirement that the public
  5315. 3:46:13 Unknown speaker hearing takes place on first reading or
  5316. 3:46:14 Unknown speaker second reading.
  5317. 3:46:15 Unknown speaker Reading. Yes,
  5318. 3:46:16 Unknown speaker we could just continue.
  5319. 3:46:18 Unknown speaker We can have this discussion concerning
  5320. 3:46:19 Unknown speaker the motion concerning the conditions. Um
  5321. 3:46:23 Unknown speaker the applicant can come back at the
  5322. 3:46:25 Unknown speaker public hearing date
  5323. 3:46:27 Unknown speaker on first reading to weigh in more or
  5324. 3:46:30 Unknown speaker weigh in further on the proposed
  5325. 3:46:32 Unknown speaker conditions.
  5326. 3:46:33 Unknown speaker We open for the hour and then you just
  5327. 3:46:35 Unknown speaker continue the second reading public
  5328. 3:46:37 Unknown speaker hearing to another.
  5329. 3:46:38 Unknown speaker That's what I wanted to hear. what you
  5330. 3:46:40 Unknown speaker just said right there that they have
  5331. 3:46:42 Unknown speaker another chance to weigh in and and give
  5332. 3:46:44 Unknown speaker us some feedback on this
  5333. 3:46:45 Unknown speaker before we do the final
  5334. 3:46:46 Unknown speaker before we do the final one. That's all I
  5335. 3:46:48 Unknown speaker wanted to know out of this because I
  5336. 3:46:50 Unknown speaker wanted I didn't want to come
  5337. 3:46:52 Unknown speaker have have some sort of legal thing tied
  5338. 3:46:54 Unknown speaker up in this because we
  5339. 3:46:57 Unknown speaker did some wedding planning as Mr. Popkin
  5340. 3:46:59 Unknown speaker likes to say. [laughter]
  5341. 3:47:01 Unknown speaker No, perfectly fine. We can come back at
  5342. 3:47:03 Unknown speaker first reading at the public hearing date
  5343. 3:47:05 Unknown speaker and we'll provide the procedure for all
  5344. 3:47:08 Unknown speaker of that. That's not is
  5345. 3:47:09 Unknown speaker so and I guess I'm trying to understand.
  5346. 3:47:11 Unknown speaker So then would your recommendation be to
  5347. 3:47:14 Unknown speaker hold off on this particular amendment
  5348. 3:47:17 Unknown speaker until the next
  5349. 3:47:19 Unknown speaker No, no. I I'm I'm willing to go ahead
  5350. 3:47:21 Unknown speaker with this. I just want because we can
  5351. 3:47:23 Unknown speaker whatever the the whatever happens at
  5352. 3:47:27 Unknown speaker second reading happens at second reading
  5353. 3:47:29 Unknown speaker and we'll get some feedback from the
  5354. 3:47:31 Unknown speaker applicant at that time. There's a few
  5355. 3:47:33 Unknown speaker amendments
  5356. 3:47:34 Unknown speaker and then so but if this amendment gets
  5357. 3:47:36 Unknown speaker approved then it becomes a requirement.
  5358. 3:47:41 Unknown speaker Yeah requirement.
  5359. 3:47:42 Unknown speaker It's Yes. Yes.
  5360. 3:47:44 Unknown speaker So okay.
  5361. 3:47:45 Unknown speaker Yeah. Then it comes to second
  5362. 3:47:47 Unknown speaker and then we can decide to to eliminate
  5363. 3:47:49 Unknown speaker it if we need to. Okay.
  5364. 3:47:50 Unknown speaker So that that was my that's all I wanted.
  5365. 3:47:52 Unknown speaker Okay. That's what I I'm just trying to
  5366. 3:47:54 Unknown speaker make sure I follow.
  5367. 3:47:56 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um Council Member
  5368. 3:48:00 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  5369. 3:48:03 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Um, Council Member
  5370. 3:48:05 Unknown speaker Marcen, I I appreciate the spirit of
  5371. 3:48:07 Unknown speaker where this is coming from and kind of
  5372. 3:48:09 Unknown speaker the goal of, you know, broader
  5373. 3:48:11 Unknown speaker compatibility with our housing needs
  5374. 3:48:13 Unknown speaker that this is aimed at. Um, I'm
  5375. 3:48:17 Unknown speaker I'm a little bit with the mayor prom on
  5376. 3:48:19 Unknown speaker this and I'm a little uncomfortable
  5377. 3:48:20 Unknown speaker voting on it tonight and I there's just
  5378. 3:48:24 Unknown speaker multiple pieces on this and I would like
  5379. 3:48:26 Unknown speaker to hear kind of I would like to digest
  5380. 3:48:29 Unknown speaker what plan uh planning director Pendland
  5381. 3:48:31 Unknown speaker said and what the applicant has shared
  5382. 3:48:32 Unknown speaker so far considering they're kind of
  5383. 3:48:34 Unknown speaker almost two pieces to this already. So
  5384. 3:48:38 Unknown speaker considering it's been introduced, I'm
  5385. 3:48:40 Unknown speaker wondering if we don't yet vote on this
  5386. 3:48:42 Unknown speaker tonight, but withdraw noting that the
  5387. 3:48:45 Unknown speaker applicant can at least consider the
  5388. 3:48:46 Unknown speaker language now that it's been put out
  5389. 3:48:48 Unknown speaker there. I just I I don't want to because
  5390. 3:48:52 Unknown speaker right now we would have to basically
  5391. 3:48:53 Unknown speaker vote to procedure wise. We would vote on
  5392. 3:48:56 Unknown speaker amending it and then it's in there
  5393. 3:48:57 Unknown speaker unless we remove it.
  5394. 3:48:58 Unknown speaker Okay. So, and I just want to make sure
  5395. 3:49:00 Unknown speaker I'm following this. your your
  5396. 3:49:03 Unknown speaker recommendation is not to withhold the
  5397. 3:49:05 Unknown speaker whole 202676
  5398. 3:49:07 Unknown speaker but just this particular amendment this
  5399. 3:49:10 Unknown speaker condition. Okay.
  5400. 3:49:10 Unknown speaker We've introduced the condition if the if
  5401. 3:49:12 Unknown speaker the um if council member Marson would
  5402. 3:49:14 Unknown speaker like to as the proposer of it would like
  5403. 3:49:16 Unknown speaker to withdraw it. It's now at least in the
  5404. 3:49:18 Unknown speaker public record for consideration. The
  5405. 3:49:19 Unknown speaker applicant can sit with this but none of
  5406. 3:49:21 Unknown speaker us have to like we don't vote on
  5407. 3:49:23 Unknown speaker something we're still trying to grapple
  5408. 3:49:24 Unknown speaker with I guess is what I'm trying to get
  5409. 3:49:26 Unknown speaker at.
  5410. 3:49:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay.
  5411. 3:49:28 Unknown speaker Can we table the amendment? Um that
  5412. 3:49:30 Unknown speaker that's I think that's
  5413. 3:49:32 Unknown speaker that effectively is tableabling an
  5414. 3:49:33 Unknown speaker amendment. You don't table amendment.
  5415. 3:49:35 Unknown speaker Yeah. But it's not
  5416. 3:49:36 Unknown speaker table I'm withdrawing. Yeah.
  5417. 3:49:38 Unknown speaker So thank you mayor because and thank you
  5418. 3:49:40 Unknown speaker to council proclaim because the process
  5419. 3:49:42 Unknown speaker exists for us to review this and for the
  5420. 3:49:44 Unknown speaker applicant to have the chance to review
  5421. 3:49:45 Unknown speaker it. I would prefer that we leave it in
  5422. 3:49:47 Unknown speaker the ordinance for annexation as a
  5423. 3:49:49 Unknown speaker condition for now. And if the applicant
  5424. 3:49:51 Unknown speaker comes to us and says and well actually
  5425. 3:49:53 Unknown speaker upon further review this is not like if
  5426. 3:49:56 Unknown speaker the applicant comes to us and says you
  5427. 3:49:58 Unknown speaker know if we hear additional information
  5428. 3:49:59 Unknown speaker from the applicant when it comes back to
  5429. 3:50:01 Unknown speaker us on seconds we we can have that
  5430. 3:50:03 Unknown speaker conversation then I'm perfectly happy to
  5431. 3:50:06 Unknown speaker pull it I to to to to have that
  5432. 3:50:08 Unknown speaker conversation now my preference would be
  5433. 3:50:11 Unknown speaker to to the broader conversation we have
  5434. 3:50:13 Unknown speaker been having for the last year about
  5435. 3:50:15 Unknown speaker housing and our housing needs that we
  5436. 3:50:17 Unknown speaker lock in this condition now that we
  5437. 3:50:19 Unknown speaker narrow some of the scope a little bit
  5438. 3:50:20 Unknown speaker and we make clear that hey we we are
  5439. 3:50:22 Unknown speaker we're with you in this partnership. We
  5440. 3:50:24 Unknown speaker want to get this right. We do it now um
  5441. 3:50:27 Unknown speaker as a condition of annexation on first so
  5442. 3:50:29 Unknown speaker that we don't then have to republish on
  5443. 3:50:31 Unknown speaker seconds and that whole process. So I
  5444. 3:50:33 Unknown speaker would rather do it now than than wait.
  5445. 3:50:35 Unknown speaker And I I appreciate the concern of
  5446. 3:50:37 Unknown speaker wanting to digest um the bottom line
  5447. 3:50:39 Unknown speaker language here is the goal is 50% units
  5448. 3:50:42 Unknown speaker platted for individual ownership in in
  5449. 3:50:45 Unknown speaker the whole project and 75 in the lower
  5450. 3:50:47 Unknown speaker density section. So
  5451. 3:50:50 Unknown speaker um if the event if it comes back so this
  5452. 3:50:54 Unknown speaker my question for staff legal um and even
  5453. 3:50:58 Unknown speaker Dawn I'm thinking about publication so
  5454. 3:51:00 Unknown speaker when we have to go back and we amend
  5455. 3:51:02 Unknown speaker something on second reading there's a
  5456. 3:51:04 Unknown speaker whole process of what happens that does
  5457. 3:51:06 Unknown speaker have financial implications if we end up
  5458. 3:51:10 Unknown speaker striking this having to go back and then
  5459. 3:51:12 Unknown speaker strike it
  5460. 3:51:15 Unknown speaker does does that mean we have to change
  5461. 3:51:18 Unknown speaker our notices to the public,
  5462. 3:51:21 Unknown speaker all the things.
  5463. 3:51:23 Unknown speaker Not notices the public. So any ordinance
  5464. 3:51:26 Unknown speaker passed on first reading gets published
  5465. 3:51:27 Unknown speaker in full
  5466. 3:51:29 Unknown speaker and then if it's amended on second
  5467. 3:51:30 Unknown speaker reading has to get republished.
  5468. 3:51:32 Unknown speaker Um just as
  5469. 3:51:33 Unknown speaker so anyway whether you're striking
  5470. 3:51:35 Unknown speaker language or adding new language it's
  5471. 3:51:37 Unknown speaker equally it has to be republished
  5472. 3:51:39 Unknown speaker if it's amended. If it's not amended
  5473. 3:51:41 Unknown speaker doesn't get republished.
  5474. 3:51:42 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5475. 3:51:43 Unknown speaker So anytime it gets
  5476. 3:51:44 Unknown speaker right
  5477. 3:51:44 Unknown speaker the title
  5478. 3:51:45 Unknown speaker just Oh just the title. Sorry,
  5479. 3:51:47 Unknown speaker just the title. So then this Okay.
  5480. 3:51:51 Unknown speaker Yeah. Did you want to
  5481. 3:51:52 Unknown speaker I was just I mean I think Jeremy stated
  5482. 3:51:54 Unknown speaker it right. If when council makes
  5483. 3:51:56 Unknown speaker amendments on second reading
  5484. 3:51:58 Unknown speaker then we republish the full ordinance
  5485. 3:52:00 Unknown speaker again and incur that cost
  5486. 3:52:04 Unknown speaker again.
  5487. 3:52:04 Unknown speaker Again.
  5488. 3:52:05 Unknown speaker That that was that. Yeah.
  5489. 3:52:06 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah. I Okay. Thanks. That answers
  5490. 3:52:10 Unknown speaker my question. Council member Coloffer.
  5491. 3:52:13 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh I'm curious with
  5492. 3:52:14 Unknown speaker the applicant. Is two weeks enough time
  5493. 3:52:16 Unknown speaker to digest this and come back on second
  5494. 3:52:18 Unknown speaker reading to determine if this is
  5495. 3:52:21 Unknown speaker workable?
  5496. 3:52:27 Unknown speaker Oh, and turn on your mic.
  5497. 3:52:29 Unknown speaker In a word, yes. Um, I think
  5498. 3:52:32 Unknown speaker [clears throat] my question is, are
  5499. 3:52:33 Unknown speaker there other things that we need to talk
  5500. 3:52:36 Unknown speaker about? Are there other considerations?
  5501. 3:52:39 Unknown speaker Um, because let's hear all of those. I
  5502. 3:52:42 Unknown speaker know it's getting late. Um I will say
  5503. 3:52:45 Unknown speaker just in terms of the cadence of this, we
  5504. 3:52:47 Unknown speaker were um you know approved by planning
  5505. 3:52:51 Unknown speaker commission for recommendation of this in
  5506. 3:52:53 Unknown speaker June.
  5507. 3:52:54 Unknown speaker It took us four months to get on the
  5508. 3:52:56 Unknown speaker calendar um for first reading. Um we
  5509. 3:53:00 Unknown speaker have second reading on November
  5510. 3:53:03 Unknown speaker 3rd.
  5511. 3:53:04 Unknown speaker Mailing for that already went out. Um
  5512. 3:53:07 Unknown speaker and then you know to the extent that
  5513. 3:53:10 Unknown speaker this pushes on beyond that um I don't
  5514. 3:53:14 Unknown speaker know when we can get back on the
  5515. 3:53:16 Unknown speaker calendar and also you know I know we
  5516. 3:53:18 Unknown speaker talked about some timing implications
  5517. 3:53:19 Unknown speaker about just what we're trying to do in
  5518. 3:53:21 Unknown speaker terms of getting a little bit of
  5519. 3:53:23 Unknown speaker certainty around this so that we can
  5520. 3:53:25 Unknown speaker convey some land to RTD and I think I
  5521. 3:53:28 Unknown speaker impressed upon you all how critical that
  5522. 3:53:31 Unknown speaker timing is for them to keep the BRT
  5523. 3:53:33 Unknown speaker funding they have which is I've been
  5524. 3:53:35 Unknown speaker told well over a million dollars and
  5525. 3:53:37 Unknown speaker they have access to more if they need it
  5526. 3:53:39 Unknown speaker right now.
  5527. 3:53:41 Unknown speaker So, I I don't mean to push. You guys
  5528. 3:53:43 Unknown speaker need to make a decision faster than
  5529. 3:53:45 Unknown speaker Thank you for pointing that out. That's
  5530. 3:53:46 Unknown speaker why I felt like, okay, you guys, we've
  5531. 3:53:49 Unknown speaker got to
  5532. 3:53:50 Unknown speaker come to a consensus and let's and let's
  5533. 3:53:52 Unknown speaker um move this forward because there's
  5534. 3:53:55 Unknown speaker other factors outside of this project
  5535. 3:53:57 Unknown speaker alone, this standalone. There's other
  5536. 3:53:59 Unknown speaker again I know I've talked a little bit
  5537. 3:54:00 Unknown speaker about the timing and the next steps like
  5538. 3:54:03 Unknown speaker we will get another bite at this apple
  5539. 3:54:05 Unknown speaker in terms of making sure that these
  5540. 3:54:07 Unknown speaker conditions that you want are met and it
  5541. 3:54:09 Unknown speaker would be closer to the time that we're
  5542. 3:54:10 Unknown speaker building.
  5543. 3:54:11 Unknown speaker So you know I think that um approving
  5544. 3:54:14 Unknown speaker this as it is doesn't necessarily
  5545. 3:54:17 Unknown speaker foreclose the option to do that in the
  5546. 3:54:19 Unknown speaker future.
  5547. 3:54:19 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5548. 3:54:20 Unknown speaker So
  5549. 3:54:21 Unknown speaker okay thank you. Um so seeing no one else
  5550. 3:54:24 Unknown speaker in the queue let's go ahead and vote on
  5551. 3:54:26 Unknown speaker this amendment.
  5552. 3:54:38 Unknown speaker Okay, I'm waiting on
  5553. 3:54:51 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries um 5 to2 with uh
  5554. 3:54:55 Unknown speaker council member Popkin and myself in
  5555. 3:54:56 Unknown speaker opposition. So that's that amendment. Um
  5556. 3:55:01 Unknown speaker did anybody need to make a motion for
  5557. 3:55:03 Unknown speaker something else? Yes. Council member
  5558. 3:55:06 Unknown speaker Marcen.
  5559. 3:55:06 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Let's see how this
  5560. 3:55:07 Unknown speaker goes. I move we extend the meeting
  5561. 3:55:09 Unknown speaker beyond 11:00.
  5562. 3:55:11 Unknown speaker Okay. So the motion was made to extend
  5563. 3:55:13 Unknown speaker the meeting past 11. is made by um
  5564. 3:55:17 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen, seconded by
  5565. 3:55:19 Unknown speaker Council Member Prietto.
  5566. 3:55:35 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries um five to two.
  5567. 3:55:37 Unknown speaker Oh, I could have voted in opposition.
  5568. 3:55:39 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5569. 3:55:41 Unknown speaker Keeping my words over here. Um, so that
  5570. 3:55:44 Unknown speaker carries a vote to extend the meeting.
  5571. 3:55:46 Unknown speaker Let's go ahead and get back to our um
  5572. 3:55:49 Unknown speaker item C. Go ahead. Um, council member
  5573. 3:55:53 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Condition Palooa. Um,
  5574. 3:55:55 Unknown speaker I'll go ahead and make this second
  5575. 3:55:57 Unknown speaker condition motion, and this speaks to the
  5576. 3:55:58 Unknown speaker concern that council member Chris raised
  5577. 3:56:00 Unknown speaker a few moments ago. Um uh I move that as
  5578. 3:56:04 Unknown speaker a condition of annexation development
  5579. 3:56:06 Unknown speaker immediately adjacent to US 287 shall be
  5580. 3:56:09 Unknown speaker divi designed to avoid continuous
  5581. 3:56:12 Unknown speaker building frontage exceeding 175 linear
  5582. 3:56:15 Unknown speaker feet with landscaped areas or open space
  5583. 3:56:19 Unknown speaker separating buildings along the frontage
  5584. 3:56:25 Unknown speaker specific. I'll second that.
  5585. 3:56:27 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion was made to amend
  5586. 3:56:30 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-76
  5587. 3:56:34 Unknown speaker um and add as a condition of annexation
  5588. 3:56:38 Unknown speaker development immediately adjacent to US
  5589. 3:56:41 Unknown speaker 287.
  5590. 3:56:43 Unknown speaker Okay. Shall be designed to avoid
  5591. 3:56:45 Unknown speaker continuous building frontage exceeding
  5592. 3:56:48 Unknown speaker 175 linear feet with landscaped areas or
  5593. 3:56:52 Unknown speaker open space separating buildings along
  5594. 3:56:55 Unknown speaker the frontage. So sidewalk
  5595. 3:56:58 Unknown speaker um along 287 essentially 287
  5596. 3:57:01 Unknown speaker and I'm happy to speak to it. Mayor to
  5597. 3:57:02 Unknown speaker help.
  5598. 3:57:03 Unknown speaker Um yeah and that was seconded by council
  5599. 3:57:05 Unknown speaker member Chris. Go ahead.
  5600. 3:57:06 Unknown speaker So as I've said I'm comfortable with
  5601. 3:57:07 Unknown speaker higher density on the site. My concern
  5602. 3:57:09 Unknown speaker is that where it sits and what form that
  5603. 3:57:11 Unknown speaker density takes, right? And I I am
  5604. 3:57:13 Unknown speaker concerned as council member Chris
  5605. 3:57:14 Unknown speaker mentioned as we've heard a little bit
  5606. 3:57:15 Unknown speaker from the community about that that
  5607. 3:57:17 Unknown speaker gateway element um about kind of the
  5608. 3:57:19 Unknown speaker canyon effect right about about what you
  5609. 3:57:22 Unknown speaker get with tall highdensity buildings on
  5610. 3:57:23 Unknown speaker both sides. I'm not opposed to density,
  5611. 3:57:25 Unknown speaker but breaking that up at some point as a
  5612. 3:57:27 Unknown speaker condition. Um, you know, not trying to
  5613. 3:57:29 Unknown speaker dictate, but density doesn't have to
  5614. 3:57:31 Unknown speaker necessarily mean one large building. The
  5615. 3:57:34 Unknown speaker 175 foot number specifically, this came
  5616. 3:57:37 Unknown speaker from individual research and I worked
  5617. 3:57:38 Unknown speaker and I appreciate staff's work on this as
  5618. 3:57:40 Unknown speaker well, uh, was kind of a median number
  5619. 3:57:44 Unknown speaker between roughly average I know I say the
  5620. 3:57:48 Unknown speaker word apartment a lot, but roughly
  5621. 3:57:49 Unknown speaker average large apartment complexes. you
  5622. 3:57:51 Unknown speaker get 175 linear 150 linear feet to like
  5623. 3:57:54 Unknown speaker 200 linear feet. Um nothing larger than
  5624. 3:57:57 Unknown speaker 175 is kind of the standard that that
  5625. 3:57:59 Unknown speaker this would set. Uh the goal being that
  5626. 3:58:02 Unknown speaker we're not going to have any one large
  5627. 3:58:04 Unknown speaker building as the frontage. It's going to
  5628. 3:58:05 Unknown speaker break up along 287 so that the impact
  5629. 3:58:07 Unknown speaker that folks get as they come into the
  5630. 3:58:09 Unknown speaker community um is an import is a good
  5631. 3:58:12 Unknown speaker impression right from folks entering
  5632. 3:58:13 Unknown speaker from the north. Thoughtful about what it
  5633. 3:58:15 Unknown speaker says about the city. Um that's not
  5634. 3:58:17 Unknown speaker saying you can't have high density
  5635. 3:58:18 Unknown speaker there. I know that's the goal of the
  5636. 3:58:19 Unknown speaker applicant is to have density along the
  5637. 3:58:20 Unknown speaker frontage. That's fine. That's great. But
  5638. 3:58:22 Unknown speaker breaking it up to some degree uh really
  5639. 3:58:25 Unknown speaker is the goal of the condition to avoid
  5640. 3:58:26 Unknown speaker that that canyon.
  5641. 3:58:29 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5642. 3:58:30 Unknown speaker Council member Kuffer.
  5643. 3:58:32 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh going to ask a
  5644. 3:58:34 Unknown speaker question for the applicant. Is this uh
  5645. 3:58:36 Unknown speaker standard for some of your other um
  5646. 3:58:38 Unknown speaker buildings that you have that do you
  5647. 3:58:40 Unknown speaker normally have one large building or do
  5648. 3:58:42 Unknown speaker you normally break them up? like what
  5649. 3:58:44 Unknown speaker what what what do you have in vision for
  5650. 3:58:47 Unknown speaker uh this parcel?
  5651. 3:58:48 Unknown speaker I guess it's like design standards like
  5652. 3:58:50 Unknown speaker looking at the design.
  5653. 3:58:52 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  5654. 3:58:54 Unknown speaker off the top of my head, this isn't
  5655. 3:58:56 Unknown speaker wildly concerning. Um I think it is sort
  5656. 3:58:59 Unknown speaker of in line as I try to envision some of
  5657. 3:59:01 Unknown speaker the other things. I try to have a lot of
  5658. 3:59:03 Unknown speaker humility that I'm not a designer. I
  5659. 3:59:05 Unknown speaker haven't been to design school. Um, we
  5660. 3:59:09 Unknown speaker hire very good people to do that who I
  5661. 3:59:12 Unknown speaker trust will do a good job. They're going
  5662. 3:59:14 Unknown speaker to be given the direction that this is
  5663. 3:59:16 Unknown speaker the gateway to the city. We have made
  5664. 3:59:20 Unknown speaker promises whether codified or not that
  5665. 3:59:23 Unknown speaker we're going to do something that people
  5666. 3:59:24 Unknown speaker can be proud of here. I saw all of your
  5667. 3:59:27 Unknown speaker reactions to the design on the first in
  5668. 3:59:30 Unknown speaker Maine project and I want to be here and
  5669. 3:59:33 Unknown speaker do that too and get that reception. um
  5670. 3:59:36 Unknown speaker which was really great. Um so off the
  5671. 3:59:39 Unknown speaker top of my head, it it doesn't seem
  5672. 3:59:41 Unknown speaker overly concerning, but I also, you know,
  5673. 3:59:44 Unknown speaker I hate to tie the the hands of somebody
  5674. 3:59:46 Unknown speaker that's more qualified than me behind
  5675. 3:59:48 Unknown speaker their back. Um
  5676. 3:59:50 Unknown speaker again, this is going to go through lots
  5677. 3:59:52 Unknown speaker of different levels of review and the at
  5678. 3:59:56 Unknown speaker least planning commission is going to
  5679. 3:59:58 Unknown speaker get to um comment on the architecture a
  5680. 4:00:00 Unknown speaker lot. So, is this necessary? I I don't
  5681. 4:00:04 Unknown speaker know. [clears throat] Does this put us
  5682. 4:00:06 Unknown speaker in a position where it's going to be an
  5683. 4:00:07 Unknown speaker infeasible project? Probably not.
  5684. 4:00:10 Unknown speaker I like this, but the 175, that's a weird
  5685. 4:00:13 Unknown speaker number. I don't know. Does that make
  5686. 4:00:14 Unknown speaker sense?
  5687. 4:00:15 Unknown speaker That's the average of of [laughter]
  5688. 4:00:16 Unknown speaker Yeah. Okay.
  5689. 4:00:17 Unknown speaker It's a developer question.
  5690. 4:00:18 Unknown speaker Okay. So, um, Council Member Popkin.
  5691. 4:00:23 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Ming. I
  5692. 4:00:24 Unknown speaker appreciate the creativity and the spirit
  5693. 4:00:27 Unknown speaker of this. Um, you just said something was
  5694. 4:00:29 Unknown speaker interesting to me, which is this is the
  5695. 4:00:31 Unknown speaker average of some other types of similar
  5696. 4:00:34 Unknown speaker of some unions. You know, I I hear what
  5697. 4:00:37 Unknown speaker the applicants saying on, you know, they
  5698. 4:00:39 Unknown speaker don't want this to be average. They
  5699. 4:00:40 Unknown speaker don't I'm going to play on that word for
  5700. 4:00:42 Unknown speaker a second. They want this to be a a
  5701. 4:00:44 Unknown speaker gateway they can be proud of, a project
  5702. 4:00:45 Unknown speaker they can be proud of. Um, you know, if
  5703. 4:00:48 Unknown speaker this was the first time a development
  5704. 4:00:49 Unknown speaker this development team was building our
  5705. 4:00:51 Unknown speaker community, I might feel differently
  5706. 4:00:53 Unknown speaker about getting more a little bit more
  5707. 4:00:54 Unknown speaker specific or rigid. I I I understand that
  5708. 4:00:57 Unknown speaker you're trying to not you're trying to
  5709. 4:00:59 Unknown speaker mitigate some of the adverse conditions
  5710. 4:01:01 Unknown speaker to the maximum extent feasible here and
  5711. 4:01:03 Unknown speaker kind of set those parameters up front. I
  5712. 4:01:05 Unknown speaker I think flexibility is an asset for a
  5713. 4:01:08 Unknown speaker gateway project and I don't think we
  5714. 4:01:10 Unknown speaker want I will be voting against this right
  5715. 4:01:12 Unknown speaker now because I think this is
  5716. 4:01:15 Unknown speaker unnecessarily restrictive and rigid in
  5717. 4:01:18 Unknown speaker that though I agree with the spirit for
  5718. 4:01:21 Unknown speaker the development team to listen to of
  5719. 4:01:22 Unknown speaker like not building a single frontage and
  5720. 4:01:25 Unknown speaker just a chunk of something and popping it
  5721. 4:01:27 Unknown speaker there. I don't think they want to do
  5722. 4:01:28 Unknown speaker that.
  5723. 4:01:29 Unknown speaker I don't think they would be proud of
  5724. 4:01:30 Unknown speaker that. So I I want to give them some
  5725. 4:01:32 Unknown speaker flexibility on at least the design
  5726. 4:01:33 Unknown speaker aspect of this um and and not tie their
  5727. 4:01:36 Unknown speaker hands at this point in the process.
  5728. 4:01:37 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um C uh Council Member
  5729. 4:01:40 Unknown speaker Prietto.
  5730. 4:01:42 Unknown speaker Question for staff.
  5731. 4:01:45 Unknown speaker Um
  5732. 4:01:47 Unknown speaker so say like all these amendments pass
  5733. 4:01:50 Unknown speaker and they pass second reading and we're
  5734. 4:01:53 Unknown speaker on to bigger and other things. Um,
  5735. 4:01:58 Unknown speaker if for some reason this did not work out
  5736. 4:02:01 Unknown speaker for whatever reason, like any of the
  5737. 4:02:03 Unknown speaker amendments or just there was like
  5738. 4:02:04 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5739. 4:02:05 Unknown speaker a big sinkhole or something. I don't
  5740. 4:02:08 Unknown speaker know. [gasps] Um, could could the
  5741. 4:02:11 Unknown speaker developer come back and and ask for like
  5742. 4:02:13 Unknown speaker an exception in the future? Is like is
  5743. 4:02:16 Unknown speaker that something that they could do?
  5744. 4:02:19 Unknown speaker Technically,
  5745. 4:02:20 Unknown speaker they do have the option to ask for a
  5746. 4:02:21 Unknown speaker concept plan amendment. So, yes, they
  5747. 4:02:23 Unknown speaker could.
  5748. 4:02:23 Unknown speaker Perfect. So, with that being said, um
  5749. 4:02:26 Unknown speaker you know, I'm I'm a little bit in
  5750. 4:02:28 Unknown speaker alignment with uh Council Member Marcy
  5751. 4:02:31 Unknown speaker here. I'd rather put up the protections
  5752. 4:02:32 Unknown speaker up front and then adjust as we go and
  5753. 4:02:36 Unknown speaker have that discretion as we go as as as
  5754. 4:02:38 Unknown speaker time passes and and work with our
  5755. 4:02:40 Unknown speaker developers because we absolutely want to
  5756. 4:02:41 Unknown speaker make uh make this deal work for both our
  5757. 4:02:45 Unknown speaker residents and our developers and and
  5758. 4:02:47 Unknown speaker doing business in the city. So, thank
  5759. 4:02:49 Unknown speaker you for that clarification. I really
  5760. 4:02:51 Unknown speaker appreciate it.
  5761. 4:02:52 Unknown speaker Okay. Thanks. Oh, Council Member Popkin.
  5762. 4:02:56 Unknown speaker And this is
  5763. 4:02:56 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's my second time. Second
  5764. 4:02:57 Unknown speaker time. Um, I I just want to speak briefly
  5765. 4:02:59 Unknown speaker to Council Member Prito here. So, uh,
  5766. 4:03:01 Unknown speaker yes, the developer has the chance to
  5767. 4:03:03 Unknown speaker come back. They are doing that on a
  5768. 4:03:05 Unknown speaker separate project right now and going
  5769. 4:03:06 Unknown speaker through an an amendment to a process,
  5770. 4:03:08 Unknown speaker but that in of itself is another
  5771. 4:03:09 Unknown speaker process. And we as a council have talked
  5772. 4:03:11 Unknown speaker about one of our goals also is to try to
  5773. 4:03:14 Unknown speaker streamline the permitting process and
  5774. 4:03:16 Unknown speaker try to make things move faster. And this
  5775. 4:03:19 Unknown speaker applicant has been in the process for a
  5776. 4:03:21 Unknown speaker while trying to work multiple things
  5777. 4:03:22 Unknown speaker through that they are trying to be proud
  5778. 4:03:24 Unknown speaker of too. And I think we want to send the
  5779. 4:03:25 Unknown speaker market signal that we want that. And
  5780. 4:03:28 Unknown speaker when we get into wedding planning at
  5781. 4:03:29 Unknown speaker this stage of the design, it creates a
  5782. 4:03:31 Unknown speaker lot more complications potentially down
  5783. 4:03:33 Unknown speaker the road. I think this is not a
  5784. 4:03:35 Unknown speaker situation where the guard rail the
  5785. 4:03:37 Unknown speaker guardrail is worth the squeeze here on
  5786. 4:03:39 Unknown speaker this. I though I think the spirit of
  5787. 4:03:42 Unknown speaker this is well-intentioned. I think the
  5788. 4:03:44 Unknown speaker applicant has heard us. We have seen
  5789. 4:03:45 Unknown speaker them be respons responsive to past
  5790. 4:03:47 Unknown speaker councils in terms of what they're trying
  5791. 4:03:49 Unknown speaker to do um and really try to take feedback
  5792. 4:03:52 Unknown speaker from residents, neighbors, and council
  5793. 4:03:54 Unknown speaker to heart. I think it would be a mistake
  5794. 4:03:56 Unknown speaker to just assume that it's an easy like
  5795. 4:03:57 Unknown speaker layup to just come back and request an
  5796. 4:03:59 Unknown speaker amendment because we've seen that that
  5797. 4:04:00 Unknown speaker is not the case.
  5798. 4:04:01 Unknown speaker Okay. Thanks. Let's go ahead and vote.
  5799. 4:04:11 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries um four to three
  5800. 4:04:15 Unknown speaker with um Council Member Popkin, Council
  5801. 4:04:18 Unknown speaker Member Coloffer, and myself in
  5802. 4:04:19 Unknown speaker opposition. Okay. So,
  5803. 4:04:24 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcy,
  5804. 4:04:25 Unknown speaker last one. Mayor, I swear. Um I move that
  5805. 4:04:29 Unknown speaker as a condition of annexation, the
  5806. 4:04:30 Unknown speaker historic Thompson farmhouse shall be
  5807. 4:04:32 Unknown speaker preserved and incorporated into the
  5808. 4:04:34 Unknown speaker future development of the property. The
  5809. 4:04:36 Unknown speaker farmhouse may be relocated within the
  5810. 4:04:39 Unknown speaker annexation area if necessary to
  5811. 4:04:41 Unknown speaker accommodate development. Subject to
  5812. 4:04:43 Unknown speaker review by the Historic Preservation
  5813. 4:04:45 Unknown speaker Commission and applicable city
  5814. 4:04:46 Unknown speaker requirements. Demolition of the
  5815. 4:04:48 Unknown speaker farmhouse shall not be permitted.
  5816. 4:04:53 Unknown speaker Okay. So, okay. So, council Yes. Council
  5817. 4:04:57 Unknown speaker member Marcen made the motion. is a
  5818. 4:04:59 Unknown speaker condition of annexation. Uh the historic
  5819. 4:05:02 Unknown speaker Thompson farmhouse shall be preserved
  5820. 4:05:04 Unknown speaker and incorporated into future development
  5821. 4:05:06 Unknown speaker of the property. The farmhouse may be
  5822. 4:05:08 Unknown speaker relocated within annexation area if nec
  5823. 4:05:10 Unknown speaker necessary to accommodate development.
  5824. 4:05:13 Unknown speaker Subject to review by the historic
  5825. 4:05:15 Unknown speaker preservation commission and applicable
  5826. 4:05:18 Unknown speaker um city requirements. Demolition of the
  5827. 4:05:20 Unknown speaker farmhouse shall not be permitted. And
  5828. 4:05:22 Unknown speaker that was seconded by I didn't know who
  5829. 4:05:25 Unknown speaker was it council member Christ.
  5830. 4:05:28 Unknown speaker No.
  5831. 4:05:30 Unknown speaker Um, okay.
  5832. 4:05:32 Unknown speaker Um, Council Member Prietto,
  5833. 4:05:36 Unknown speaker um, just a question for the applicant.
  5834. 4:05:39 Unknown speaker Um,
  5835. 4:05:42 Unknown speaker is this something that you guys have
  5836. 4:05:43 Unknown speaker thought of yet or are you still kind of
  5837. 4:05:45 Unknown speaker in the pre preliminary
  5838. 4:05:48 Unknown speaker phase of this? Have you looked into it
  5839. 4:05:50 Unknown speaker very much? I know u you may have or I
  5840. 4:05:53 Unknown speaker know that you you had reached out to the
  5841. 4:05:55 Unknown speaker historic preservation board. So can you
  5842. 4:05:57 Unknown speaker speak to that?
  5843. 4:05:57 Unknown speaker I've more than reached out to them. We
  5844. 4:05:58 Unknown speaker have had meetings in this very room with
  5845. 4:06:01 Unknown speaker them.
  5846. 4:06:02 Unknown speaker You know
  5847. 4:06:03 Unknown speaker on this one I understand commissioner
  5848. 4:06:06 Unknown speaker Marson what you're
  5849. 4:06:07 Unknown speaker working towards. I I think
  5850. 4:06:11 Unknown speaker we have been in front of the historic
  5851. 4:06:13 Unknown speaker planning commission the historic
  5852. 4:06:14 Unknown speaker commission. They recommended certain
  5853. 4:06:17 Unknown speaker language be included in the approved
  5854. 4:06:20 Unknown speaker annexation agreement that gives
  5855. 4:06:23 Unknown speaker preference to keeping the house and
  5856. 4:06:26 Unknown speaker coming back to them. I think one of the
  5857. 4:06:29 Unknown speaker reasons that they approved that language
  5858. 4:06:31 Unknown speaker is because they had not fully satisfied
  5859. 4:06:34 Unknown speaker themselves that that house can or should
  5860. 4:06:38 Unknown speaker be saved in its entirety and that there
  5861. 4:06:41 Unknown speaker are additional alternative ways to
  5862. 4:06:44 Unknown speaker achieve the goals that they have. Maybe
  5863. 4:06:47 Unknown speaker that's moving it, maybe that's, you
  5864. 4:06:49 Unknown speaker know, saving a part of it and putting it
  5865. 4:06:51 Unknown speaker on a new structure. Um, we haven't gone
  5866. 4:06:54 Unknown speaker in and really been able to establish the
  5867. 4:06:57 Unknown speaker structural soundness of the house. Uh,
  5868. 4:07:00 Unknown speaker we did have a group look at what the
  5869. 4:07:03 Unknown speaker cost of moving it would be. No surprise.
  5870. 4:07:05 Unknown speaker It's very expensive. Again, that's a
  5871. 4:07:07 Unknown speaker project cost that has to be borne by the
  5872. 4:07:10 Unknown speaker eventual residents of this, especially
  5873. 4:07:13 Unknown speaker if it's for sale
  5874. 4:07:14 Unknown speaker because for sale housing, it's like
  5875. 4:07:16 Unknown speaker whatever it costs to build plus a
  5876. 4:07:18 Unknown speaker margin, that's what the house costs, you
  5877. 4:07:20 Unknown speaker know? So, every single little thing that
  5878. 4:07:22 Unknown speaker we do goes into the affordability of the
  5879. 4:07:25 Unknown speaker house. And I think there's a really
  5880. 4:07:27 Unknown speaker distinct process here in Longmont of how
  5881. 4:07:29 Unknown speaker these situations get um evaluated and
  5882. 4:07:32 Unknown speaker addressed. And I I think to make that
  5883. 4:07:36 Unknown speaker decision right now in this meeting is
  5884. 4:07:38 Unknown speaker unnecessary because we already do have
  5885. 4:07:40 Unknown speaker to go back to the historic planning uh
  5886. 4:07:43 Unknown speaker group and they have the expertise um to
  5887. 4:07:46 Unknown speaker be able to kind of take all the
  5888. 4:07:48 Unknown speaker information that's presented at the time
  5889. 4:07:50 Unknown speaker and make a really good recommendation of
  5890. 4:07:53 Unknown speaker what we think is in the public interest
  5891. 4:07:56 Unknown speaker in terms of historic preservation and
  5892. 4:07:58 Unknown speaker the public interest in terms of being
  5893. 4:07:59 Unknown speaker able to deliver more affordable housing.
  5894. 4:08:02 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  5895. 4:08:03 Unknown speaker Um I and I'm sorry I didn't mean to say
  5896. 4:08:05 Unknown speaker you reached out. I know that you have
  5897. 4:08:07 Unknown speaker been working with us. So my apologies
  5898. 4:08:09 Unknown speaker correct myself on that.
  5899. 4:08:10 Unknown speaker Um
  5900. 4:08:12 Unknown speaker I'm just curious, Council Member Marcen.
  5901. 4:08:14 Unknown speaker Um I think it's already assumed that the
  5902. 4:08:17 Unknown speaker developer is going to work with the
  5903. 4:08:18 Unknown speaker historic preservation board in trying to
  5904. 4:08:20 Unknown speaker do what they can regarding this
  5905. 4:08:22 Unknown speaker property. And first and foremost, I'm a
  5906. 4:08:24 Unknown speaker people person first. Um and so if you
  5907. 4:08:28 Unknown speaker know if it comes back that
  5908. 4:08:31 Unknown speaker trying to preserve this either adds to
  5909. 4:08:34 Unknown speaker the cost of these homes and or takes
  5910. 4:08:37 Unknown speaker away from the amount of homes that are
  5911. 4:08:38 Unknown speaker available to families. Um I would not be
  5912. 4:08:41 Unknown speaker for that. So I'm curious if we should
  5913. 4:08:45 Unknown speaker just leave it as is as far as the work
  5914. 4:08:47 Unknown speaker that they're doing with the historic
  5915. 4:08:48 Unknown speaker preservation. I'm I'm curious to hear
  5916. 4:08:51 Unknown speaker what you have to say on that.
  5917. 4:08:54 Unknown speaker So, Council Member Marcy.
  5918. 4:08:57 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. As the council
  5919. 4:08:58 Unknown speaker leazison to the Historic Preservation
  5920. 4:09:00 Unknown speaker Commission, I'm happy to speak to this.
  5921. 4:09:02 Unknown speaker Um, so for those that didn't see it, HBC
  5922. 4:09:04 Unknown speaker did review this site in a full site
  5923. 4:09:06 Unknown speaker survey back in when it came in front of
  5924. 4:09:08 Unknown speaker HBC. It was a 79page report um that
  5925. 4:09:11 Unknown speaker detailed not just this farmhouse, but a
  5926. 4:09:14 Unknown speaker number of older structures um on the
  5927. 4:09:17 Unknown speaker site. I I am not asking that we preserve
  5928. 4:09:19 Unknown speaker every agricultural building on this
  5929. 4:09:21 Unknown speaker property, but this council a couple
  5930. 4:09:22 Unknown speaker weeks ago spent a great deal of time
  5931. 4:09:24 Unknown speaker talking about a grain silo um for a
  5932. 4:09:26 Unknown speaker similar reason that yeah, not council
  5933. 4:09:28 Unknown speaker prito this farmhouse when we talk about
  5934. 4:09:32 Unknown speaker historic preservation and the nature of
  5935. 4:09:33 Unknown speaker historic structures in this community,
  5936. 4:09:35 Unknown speaker this farmhouse is tenfold more impactful
  5937. 4:09:38 Unknown speaker and important than a grain silo. Um the
  5938. 4:09:40 Unknown speaker agricultural survey actually found that
  5939. 4:09:42 Unknown speaker that Thompson farm and the farmhouse
  5940. 4:09:43 Unknown speaker specifically is eligible for national
  5941. 4:09:45 Unknown speaker register placement on two different
  5942. 4:09:48 Unknown speaker criteria. It is one of an increasingly
  5943. 4:09:50 Unknown speaker rare number of these kinds of structures
  5944. 4:09:53 Unknown speaker that exist within um our our region. Um
  5945. 4:09:58 Unknown speaker these these these farm houses are are
  5946. 4:10:00 Unknown speaker are large and and I see Jennifer here as
  5947. 4:10:02 Unknown speaker well and she's the the staff liaison to
  5948. 4:10:04 Unknown speaker the farmhouse as well. So she can speak
  5949. 4:10:05 Unknown speaker a little bit more to the staff process
  5950. 4:10:07 Unknown speaker on on Thompson. Um but agg our our
  5951. 4:10:09 Unknown speaker agricultural history is physically
  5952. 4:10:11 Unknown speaker disappearing and I know that there was
  5953. 4:10:12 Unknown speaker some discussion at the board at HPC
  5954. 4:10:14 Unknown speaker specifically regarding potential
  5955. 4:10:16 Unknown speaker incorporation into the development other
  5956. 4:10:18 Unknown speaker options. Um I think you know we cannot
  5957. 4:10:21 Unknown speaker recreate a historic resource after we
  5958. 4:10:23 Unknown speaker bulldoze it and I I understand
  5959. 4:10:27 Unknown speaker I am a people person first too. Um, but
  5960. 4:10:30 Unknown speaker I yeah, I HPC my memory of that hearing
  5961. 4:10:34 Unknown speaker was not just that they had a preference
  5962. 4:10:36 Unknown speaker for preserving it, but that their their
  5963. 4:10:37 Unknown speaker their distinct desire was to see the
  5964. 4:10:40 Unknown speaker farmhouse be preserved. And I think
  5965. 4:10:41 Unknown speaker Jennifer can speak to that, too.
  5966. 4:10:43 Unknown speaker Yes. U Council Member Marsy and members
  5967. 4:10:45 Unknown speaker of the council, uh, Jennifer Huitt
  5968. 4:10:47 Unknown speaker Aerson, principal planner, staff leaison
  5969. 4:10:49 Unknown speaker to the historic preservation commission.
  5970. 4:10:51 Unknown speaker So there is a specific condition that is
  5971. 4:10:54 Unknown speaker within contained within I believe
  5972. 4:10:56 Unknown speaker section three of the annexation
  5973. 4:10:57 Unknown speaker agreement relating to development of a
  5974. 4:11:00 Unknown speaker historic preservation plan that the
  5975. 4:11:02 Unknown speaker developer must develop and bring back to
  5976. 4:11:04 Unknown speaker the commission for approval.
  5977. 4:11:07 Unknown speaker The language specifically does say that
  5978. 4:11:09 Unknown speaker particular consideration be given to
  5979. 4:11:11 Unknown speaker preservation of the farmhouse. Um the
  5980. 4:11:15 Unknown speaker significance of the farm structure is
  5981. 4:11:18 Unknown speaker it's not just the farmhouse said it's a
  5982. 4:11:20 Unknown speaker collection of farm buildings. Um and
  5983. 4:11:23 Unknown speaker this goes back the the survey it was
  5984. 4:11:25 Unknown speaker there was an original one done like 20
  5985. 4:11:27 Unknown speaker some odd years ago that was updated. Um
  5986. 4:11:29 Unknown speaker so it is an intact collection. However,
  5987. 4:11:31 Unknown speaker a number of those buildings are in very
  5988. 4:11:33 Unknown speaker poor condition and the commission rec
  5989. 4:11:35 Unknown speaker recognized that. Um there are challenges
  5990. 4:11:37 Unknown speaker with the location of the house on the
  5991. 4:11:40 Unknown speaker site in that it's pretty much in the
  5992. 4:11:42 Unknown speaker only place where the C dot access could
  5993. 4:11:44 Unknown speaker go onto 287. So relocation is really
  5994. 4:11:48 Unknown speaker what would need what would the option
  5995. 4:11:50 Unknown speaker would be. That said, um, as the
  5996. 4:11:53 Unknown speaker applicant has indicated, you know, there
  5997. 4:11:55 Unknown speaker are there's additional work that needs
  5998. 4:11:58 Unknown speaker to be done to
  5999. 4:12:00 Unknown speaker consider, you know, to to basically look
  6000. 4:12:02 Unknown speaker into a the feasibility and also be of
  6001. 4:12:04 Unknown speaker moving it and or relocating it, but also
  6002. 4:12:06 Unknown speaker where would be an appropriate place. Um,
  6003. 4:12:09 Unknown speaker so I don't think there's any um, you
  6004. 4:12:12 Unknown speaker disagreement that it's an important
  6005. 4:12:13 Unknown speaker structure. um I think is a question of
  6006. 4:12:16 Unknown speaker um you know where we are in the process
  6007. 4:12:18 Unknown speaker and there is an additional so we have
  6008. 4:12:20 Unknown speaker the initial we have the original um or
  6009. 4:12:23 Unknown speaker not the original I'm sorry we have the
  6010. 4:12:24 Unknown speaker we have the historic survey um the
  6011. 4:12:26 Unknown speaker historic report on file um and the
  6012. 4:12:30 Unknown speaker commission has definitely taken a look
  6013. 4:12:31 Unknown speaker at it and discussed it and taken it very
  6014. 4:12:33 Unknown speaker seriously. Um you know our our historic
  6015. 4:12:36 Unknown speaker preservation commission members are very
  6016. 4:12:37 Unknown speaker fond of saying they are not the historic
  6017. 4:12:38 Unknown speaker commemoration commission they are the
  6018. 4:12:41 Unknown speaker historic preservation commission. So um
  6019. 4:12:44 Unknown speaker you know so they definitely as a
  6020. 4:12:46 Unknown speaker commission do give high priority to
  6021. 4:12:49 Unknown speaker preserving this building. Um but again I
  6022. 4:12:51 Unknown speaker think there's um at least from my
  6023. 4:12:54 Unknown speaker opinion as staff um and the discussions
  6024. 4:12:57 Unknown speaker that there you know part of the historic
  6025. 4:12:58 Unknown speaker preservation plan will be that um you
  6026. 4:13:01 Unknown speaker know understanding the structural
  6027. 4:13:05 Unknown speaker any structural issues and what it's
  6028. 4:13:06 Unknown speaker going to take but also identifying an
  6029. 4:13:08 Unknown speaker appropriate location on the property.
  6030. 4:13:09 Unknown speaker So, I think that's part of the that it's
  6031. 4:13:12 Unknown speaker it's a multiaceted project process. And
  6032. 4:13:14 Unknown speaker this is something typically with
  6033. 4:13:16 Unknown speaker annexations um you know where we've had
  6034. 4:13:18 Unknown speaker annexations that that have had um
  6035. 4:13:21 Unknown speaker potentially historic properties on the
  6036. 4:13:23 Unknown speaker site. The condition is typically that
  6037. 4:13:26 Unknown speaker there will be a historic preservation
  6038. 4:13:28 Unknown speaker plan that's developed and and approved
  6039. 4:13:31 Unknown speaker signed off on by the historic
  6040. 4:13:33 Unknown speaker preservation commission. So, it's kind
  6041. 4:13:35 Unknown speaker of a two-step in this case. they went a
  6042. 4:13:37 Unknown speaker step further and said that they do want
  6043. 4:13:39 Unknown speaker to see that house preserved if at all
  6044. 4:13:41 Unknown speaker possible. So that is their h that is the
  6045. 4:13:43 Unknown speaker priority of the commission is to see
  6046. 4:13:45 Unknown speaker that house preserved. So but there is
  6047. 4:13:47 Unknown speaker some additional work to figure out
  6048. 4:13:48 Unknown speaker exactly
  6049. 4:13:50 Unknown speaker what that take what what form that
  6050. 4:13:52 Unknown speaker takes.
  6051. 4:13:53 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6052. 4:13:55 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, Council Member Christ and
  6053. 4:13:57 Unknown speaker if there's any preservation donors out
  6054. 4:14:00 Unknown speaker there,
  6055. 4:14:02 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  6056. 4:14:03 Unknown speaker just saying
  6057. 4:14:06 Unknown speaker help out. Uh, council member Christ.
  6058. 4:14:09 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. And so to return to my
  6059. 4:14:12 Unknown speaker question for the city attorney and then
  6060. 4:14:13 Unknown speaker also for um Miss uh Huitt Aerson,
  6061. 4:14:18 Unknown speaker do you need the council to make a motion
  6062. 4:14:20 Unknown speaker to endorse what the historic
  6063. 4:14:23 Unknown speaker preservation commission recommended or
  6064. 4:14:26 Unknown speaker to give more, you know, strength to it?
  6065. 4:14:29 Unknown speaker Sounds like it would go back to historic
  6066. 4:14:31 Unknown speaker preservation and then they would go
  6067. 4:14:33 Unknown speaker forward. But
  6068. 4:14:34 Unknown speaker is it important to you that we make our
  6069. 4:14:36 Unknown speaker preferences known as well?
  6070. 4:14:44 Unknown speaker Excellent question, uh, Council Member
  6071. 4:14:46 Unknown speaker Chris. I I think Jennifer addressed most
  6072. 4:14:48 Unknown speaker of that. I would just add to if the
  6073. 4:14:51 Unknown speaker property is annexed, it is subject to
  6074. 4:14:53 Unknown speaker our demolition requirements. And so even
  6075. 4:14:56 Unknown speaker if there's no um development application
  6076. 4:15:00 Unknown speaker pending, if the applicant wanted to
  6077. 4:15:03 Unknown speaker demolish it for any reason at all, so
  6078. 4:15:05 Unknown speaker even just sitting there, if they needed
  6079. 4:15:07 Unknown speaker to demolish it, uh it's old enough that
  6080. 4:15:09 Unknown speaker it would trigger the historic
  6081. 4:15:10 Unknown speaker preservation commission review
  6082. 4:15:11 Unknown speaker automatically.
  6083. 4:15:13 Unknown speaker It's not the original square.
  6084. 4:15:14 Unknown speaker We already had process,
  6085. 4:15:16 Unknown speaker but it's old.
  6086. 4:15:17 Unknown speaker It's old, but it's not the original
  6087. 4:15:18 Unknown speaker square mile.
  6088. 4:15:19 Unknown speaker It isn't 50 years enough.
  6089. 4:15:20 Unknown speaker It's 50 years and within the original
  6090. 4:15:22 Unknown speaker square.
  6091. 4:15:23 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  6092. 4:15:24 Unknown speaker Oh, Jennifer can add more.
  6093. 4:15:26 Unknown speaker Okay, so the demolition the demolition
  6094. 4:15:27 Unknown speaker review would be triggered if it were the
  6095. 4:15:29 Unknown speaker original square mile. Um,
  6096. 4:15:32 Unknown speaker again, it this condition is is in the
  6097. 4:15:36 Unknown speaker annexation agreement. So, that is
  6098. 4:15:37 Unknown speaker something the council approves anyway.
  6099. 4:15:40 Unknown speaker Um it based on the discussion between um
  6100. 4:15:47 Unknown speaker attorney Terrell and I uh just now
  6101. 4:15:49 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  6102. 4:15:49 Unknown speaker um perhaps
  6103. 4:15:53 Unknown speaker conditioning that any demolition permit
  6104. 4:15:55 Unknown speaker be reviewed by historic preservation if
  6105. 4:15:58 Unknown speaker it comes forward. Um, but I do think,
  6106. 4:16:01 Unknown speaker you know, at least from my perspective,
  6107. 4:16:03 Unknown speaker um, a historic preservation plan is is a
  6108. 4:16:05 Unknown speaker condition is part of the annexation
  6109. 4:16:07 Unknown speaker agreement that would need to be
  6110. 4:16:08 Unknown speaker completed as part of any future
  6111. 4:16:10 Unknown speaker development applications. So,
  6112. 4:16:13 Unknown speaker so my question is,
  6113. 4:16:16 Unknown speaker could it still be demolished if historic
  6114. 4:16:18 Unknown speaker preservation said, "Well, we we can't
  6115. 4:16:20 Unknown speaker figure out a way to preserve it, so go
  6116. 4:16:22 Unknown speaker ahead and tear it down."
  6117. 4:16:25 Unknown speaker Potentially, and I will say this
  6118. 4:16:26 Unknown speaker commission has a pretty high bar for for
  6119. 4:16:28 Unknown speaker demolition. um as you've seen in other
  6120. 4:16:31 Unknown speaker you know previous cases
  6121. 4:16:33 Unknown speaker I have a lot of confidence in
  6122. 4:16:34 Unknown speaker commission.
  6123. 4:16:35 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  6124. 4:16:35 Unknown speaker So they do have a pretty high high
  6125. 4:16:37 Unknown speaker threshold for for demolition. So um
  6126. 4:16:42 Unknown speaker yeah. Okay.
  6127. 4:16:47 Unknown speaker So do we still want to add this to the
  6128. 4:16:49 Unknown speaker Well um we have a couple other people in
  6129. 4:16:52 Unknown speaker the queue so I'm going to
  6130. 4:16:54 Unknown speaker that will be the question. [laughter]
  6131. 4:16:56 Unknown speaker Council member Kuffer. Thank you, mayor.
  6132. 4:16:59 Unknown speaker Um I have a have a follow-up question.
  6133. 4:17:02 Unknown speaker So this this reminds me of another
  6134. 4:17:03 Unknown speaker project that we have on the south. Um so
  6135. 4:17:06 Unknown speaker 287 for the um the Wallace edition fifth
  6136. 4:17:11 Unknown speaker filing. Um what was the requirement for
  6137. 4:17:14 Unknown speaker that project to keep the farmhouse and
  6138. 4:17:16 Unknown speaker move it? How is that different than this
  6139. 4:17:18 Unknown speaker project?
  6140. 4:17:21 Unknown speaker So
  6141. 4:17:22 Unknown speaker the Wallace farmhouse that was already a
  6142. 4:17:25 Unknown speaker designated historic landmark. So that is
  6143. 4:17:28 Unknown speaker that was the key. It had already been
  6144. 4:17:30 Unknown speaker landmarked into the city. Um so
  6145. 4:17:33 Unknown speaker therefore it was subject to historic
  6146. 4:17:35 Unknown speaker preservation review. In that case um the
  6147. 4:17:38 Unknown speaker landmark ordinance was um the landmark
  6148. 4:17:41 Unknown speaker designation was revised because it had
  6149. 4:17:43 Unknown speaker originally applied to the entire Wallace
  6150. 4:17:45 Unknown speaker fifth parcel. It was revised to only
  6151. 4:17:47 Unknown speaker apply to the structures and that
  6152. 4:17:50 Unknown speaker particular um developer
  6153. 4:17:53 Unknown speaker worked with the historic preservation
  6154. 4:17:55 Unknown speaker commission as well. um quite extensively
  6155. 4:17:58 Unknown speaker to um you know ensure the preservation
  6156. 4:18:01 Unknown speaker plan. So that in that particular case
  6157. 4:18:03 Unknown speaker the farmhouse stayed where it was. Um it
  6158. 4:18:05 Unknown speaker is being incorporated into I would say
  6159. 4:18:07 Unknown speaker the larger development which is six
  6160. 4:18:09 Unknown speaker properties total. Um but it is being
  6161. 4:18:11 Unknown speaker incorporated into it. the farm accessory
  6162. 4:18:15 Unknown speaker farm structures were relocated to that
  6163. 4:18:18 Unknown speaker lot to that particular front lot that
  6164. 4:18:20 Unknown speaker larger lot in that particular
  6165. 4:18:22 Unknown speaker subdivision in roughly the same or
  6166. 4:18:25 Unknown speaker basically in the same orientation where
  6167. 4:18:27 Unknown speaker they were prior. Um so little different
  6168. 4:18:30 Unknown speaker situation. it was already landmarked and
  6169. 4:18:32 Unknown speaker um Jeremy did pull up the code and did
  6170. 4:18:36 Unknown speaker confirm that we would still need to re
  6171. 4:18:39 Unknown speaker review any demolition permits um if they
  6172. 4:18:42 Unknown speaker came through to the historic
  6173. 4:18:43 Unknown speaker preservation commission because there is
  6174. 4:18:44 Unknown speaker a property identified through a historic
  6175. 4:18:47 Unknown speaker survey as potentially um historic. So
  6176. 4:18:50 Unknown speaker regardless of where the property is
  6177. 4:18:52 Unknown speaker located um under any condition if the if
  6178. 4:18:55 Unknown speaker a a owner opted you know not opted but
  6179. 4:19:01 Unknown speaker sought to demolish the property, it
  6180. 4:19:02 Unknown speaker would still need to go through historic
  6181. 4:19:04 Unknown speaker preservation review regardless.
  6182. 4:19:06 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  6183. 4:19:07 Unknown speaker Okay. Thanks. Um, Mayor Prom.
  6184. 4:19:10 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor.
  6185. 4:19:12 Unknown speaker I'm always a little bit concerned about
  6186. 4:19:16 Unknown speaker preservation for the sake of
  6187. 4:19:18 Unknown speaker preservation. Haven't been on that
  6188. 4:19:20 Unknown speaker commission before. But more importantly,
  6189. 4:19:24 Unknown speaker once it's moved or placed somewhere,
  6190. 4:19:27 Unknown speaker what do we do with it? because we have
  6191. 4:19:29 Unknown speaker buildings in our community that we are
  6192. 4:19:32 Unknown speaker already taking care of. You know, we
  6193. 4:19:33 Unknown speaker have our Sandstone Ranch, we have our
  6194. 4:19:36 Unknown speaker Callahan House, and we have uh our uh
  6195. 4:19:39 Unknown speaker you know, St. V uh
  6196. 4:19:43 Unknown speaker historic Society that's doing all kinds
  6197. 4:19:46 Unknown speaker of things to take care of things like
  6198. 4:19:48 Unknown speaker the Hover Home.
  6199. 4:19:50 Unknown speaker Is there bandwidth for people to take on
  6200. 4:19:53 Unknown speaker another
  6201. 4:19:55 Unknown speaker building? I I just wonder if if in the
  6202. 4:19:58 Unknown speaker end here, so it gets moved because it's
  6203. 4:20:01 Unknown speaker in the logical spot for an RTD station
  6204. 4:20:05 Unknown speaker and then we move it somewhere. What
  6205. 4:20:07 Unknown speaker happens to it then? I've seen this story
  6206. 4:20:10 Unknown speaker play out several times and the buildings
  6207. 4:20:13 Unknown speaker have been moved and uh literally sat
  6208. 4:20:17 Unknown speaker there with trucks with rotting wheels
  6209. 4:20:19 Unknown speaker out on 287.
  6210. 4:20:21 Unknown speaker I saw that. I know. That's unacceptable.
  6211. 4:20:23 Unknown speaker That's unacceptable. And that's and and
  6212. 4:20:26 Unknown speaker the ridiculousness of of that entire
  6213. 4:20:28 Unknown speaker thei and that that entire situation is
  6214. 4:20:31 Unknown speaker is just a a statement to what do we do
  6215. 4:20:34 Unknown speaker with it [clears throat] when it if we
  6216. 4:20:36 Unknown speaker move it. Okay.
  6217. 4:20:37 Unknown speaker We have to have the money to take care
  6218. 4:20:39 Unknown speaker of it for for forever.
  6219. 4:20:41 Unknown speaker So we need to make sure that we're doing
  6220. 4:20:43 Unknown speaker the right thing here.
  6221. 4:20:43 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Did you want to Okay.
  6222. 4:20:46 Unknown speaker If if I may. Um there at this point
  6223. 4:20:48 Unknown speaker there is no contemplation that the
  6224. 4:20:51 Unknown speaker properties would be dedicated to the
  6225. 4:20:53 Unknown speaker city. So at that point that this is not
  6226. 4:20:55 Unknown speaker something that's being discussed at this
  6227. 4:20:56 Unknown speaker point.
  6228. 4:20:57 Unknown speaker So um historic preservation plan I mean
  6229. 4:21:00 Unknown speaker I'll defer to the to the applicant on
  6230. 4:21:02 Unknown speaker this but it would um really be up to
  6231. 4:21:04 Unknown speaker them to come up with a plan for the
  6232. 4:21:06 Unknown speaker buildings.
  6233. 4:21:07 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um seeing no one else
  6234. 4:21:09 Unknown speaker in the queue, let's go ahead and vote um
  6235. 4:21:12 Unknown speaker for the amendment um to
  6236. 4:21:17 Unknown speaker 220 uh 20 2676
  6237. 4:21:21 Unknown speaker um
  6238. 4:21:29 Unknown speaker Okay. And then are you a She's an A.
  6239. 4:21:33 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6240. 4:21:35 Unknown speaker And then Council Member Popkin, you got
  6241. 4:21:38 Unknown speaker it. Okay.
  6242. 4:21:47 Unknown speaker And then Don, did you get um Council
  6243. 4:21:49 Unknown speaker Member Brito's vote?
  6244. 4:21:50 Unknown speaker No.
  6245. 4:21:51 Unknown speaker She was a nay.
  6246. 4:21:53 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  6247. 4:21:54 Unknown speaker Okay. And so that fails um three to four
  6248. 4:21:57 Unknown speaker with council member Popkin, Mayor Prom
  6249. 4:22:00 Unknown speaker McCoy, Council Member Prito, and myself
  6250. 4:22:02 Unknown speaker in opposition. Okay. So now, oh, Council
  6251. 4:22:06 Unknown speaker Member Koffer.
  6252. 4:22:08 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um so I have a motion
  6253. 4:22:10 Unknown speaker similar to the other annexation motion.
  6254. 4:22:12 Unknown speaker U so I move to amend the ordinance to
  6255. 4:22:14 Unknown speaker add the following condition to mitigate
  6256. 4:22:16 Unknown speaker adverse traffic impacts to the maximum
  6257. 4:22:18 Unknown speaker extent feasible. Future development of
  6258. 4:22:20 Unknown speaker the property shall implement traffic
  6259. 4:22:22 Unknown speaker calming measures as approved by the
  6260. 4:22:23 Unknown speaker development review committee to re sorry
  6261. 4:22:28 Unknown speaker to reduce pass through vehicle speeds in
  6262. 4:22:31 Unknown speaker established neighborhoods on the western
  6263. 4:22:32 Unknown speaker boundaries of the property.
  6264. 4:22:34 Unknown speaker Seconded.
  6265. 4:22:35 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6266. 4:22:37 Unknown speaker So the motion has been made to amend um
  6267. 4:22:41 Unknown speaker oh you have it up now. um 2026-76
  6268. 4:22:46 Unknown speaker to add the following condition to
  6269. 4:22:48 Unknown speaker mitigate adverse traffic impacts to the
  6270. 4:22:50 Unknown speaker maximum extent feasible. Future
  6271. 4:22:52 Unknown speaker development of the property shall
  6272. 4:22:54 Unknown speaker implement traffic calming measures as
  6273. 4:22:56 Unknown speaker approved by the development review
  6274. 4:22:58 Unknown speaker committee to reduce pass through
  6275. 4:23:00 Unknown speaker vehicular speeds into the established
  6276. 4:23:02 Unknown speaker neighborhood on the western boundaries
  6277. 4:23:05 Unknown speaker of the property. Okay. So, and that was
  6278. 4:23:08 Unknown speaker seconded made by council member
  6279. 4:23:09 Unknown speaker Coloffer, seconded by Mayor Prom McCoy.
  6280. 4:23:13 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, it looks like we don't have
  6281. 4:23:15 Unknown speaker any discussion on that and we've
  6282. 4:23:17 Unknown speaker discussed the the impacts at the last.
  6283. 4:23:20 Unknown speaker So, let's go ahead and vote on this.
  6284. 4:23:25 Unknown speaker Bless you.
  6285. 4:23:27 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  6286. 4:23:31 Unknown speaker Okay. Council member Kuffer.
  6287. 4:23:34 Unknown speaker This is my last one.
  6288. 4:23:35 Unknown speaker Okay. Do you promise? Yeah.
  6289. 4:23:37 Unknown speaker Uh well, maybe [laughter]
  6290. 4:23:42 Unknown speaker my third motion would be to approve it.
  6291. 4:23:44 Unknown speaker Approve the whole thing. Okay.
  6292. 4:23:45 Unknown speaker As amended. Um so I move to amend the
  6293. 4:23:47 Unknown speaker ordinance to add the following
  6294. 4:23:48 Unknown speaker conditions to promote compatibility with
  6295. 4:23:50 Unknown speaker the established neighborhoods on the
  6296. 4:23:51 Unknown speaker western and southern uh boundaries of
  6297. 4:23:53 Unknown speaker the property. Parks within the de
  6298. 4:23:55 Unknown speaker development shall be designed to provide
  6299. 4:23:57 Unknown speaker public pedestrian accidents for
  6300. 4:23:59 Unknown speaker residents of said neighborhood subject
  6301. 4:24:01 Unknown speaker to city approval through the development
  6302. 4:24:03 Unknown speaker review process. And I can explain what
  6303. 4:24:05 Unknown speaker that is in a second. Okay. I was looking
  6304. 4:24:08 Unknown speaker for your language, but I think she's
  6305. 4:24:12 Unknown speaker okay. She's got it. So, the motion was
  6306. 4:24:14 Unknown speaker made by Council Member Koffer to amend
  6307. 4:24:16 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-76
  6308. 4:24:19 Unknown speaker to add the following condition to
  6309. 4:24:21 Unknown speaker promote compatibility with the
  6310. 4:24:23 Unknown speaker established neighborhood on the western
  6311. 4:24:24 Unknown speaker and southern boundaries of the property.
  6312. 4:24:27 Unknown speaker Um, parks within the development shall
  6313. 4:24:29 Unknown speaker be designed to provide public pedestrian
  6314. 4:24:32 Unknown speaker access for residents of said
  6315. 4:24:34 Unknown speaker neighborhood subject to city approval
  6316. 4:24:36 Unknown speaker through the development review process.
  6317. 4:24:38 Unknown speaker And yes, speak to this one, please.
  6318. 4:24:40 Unknown speaker Do you want a second first?
  6319. 4:24:41 Unknown speaker Um, do we have a second?
  6320. 4:24:43 Unknown speaker Second.
  6321. 4:24:43 Unknown speaker So, it was seconded by um, council
  6322. 4:24:45 Unknown speaker member Prietto.
  6323. 4:24:46 Unknown speaker Yeah. So basically this is just to
  6324. 4:24:48 Unknown speaker ensure that the neighborhoods uh that
  6325. 4:24:50 Unknown speaker are already established have access to
  6326. 4:24:52 Unknown speaker you know any facilities uh park
  6327. 4:24:54 Unknown speaker facilities that are on this new
  6328. 4:24:56 Unknown speaker development. Um so you know basically
  6329. 4:24:58 Unknown speaker just not having a sign that's like for
  6330. 4:25:00 Unknown speaker residents only.
  6331. 4:25:03 Unknown speaker Okay. And your intent is really like a
  6332. 4:25:05 Unknown speaker public like a park to make it like not
  6333. 4:25:07 Unknown speaker necessarily like a community room or
  6334. 4:25:10 Unknown speaker Okay. Just the park the
  6335. 4:25:11 Unknown speaker park that's park that's open to the
  6336. 4:25:13 Unknown speaker public.
  6337. 4:25:14 Unknown speaker Okay. If if there are any
  6338. 4:25:16 Unknown speaker if there are any.
  6339. 4:25:17 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  6340. 4:25:17 Unknown speaker Okay. So, it's not requiring Oh, the
  6341. 4:25:19 Unknown speaker other piece. It's not requiring that
  6342. 4:25:22 Unknown speaker those space be there, but if it is Okay.
  6343. 4:25:24 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  6344. 4:25:24 Unknown speaker Um, Council Member Popkin.
  6345. 4:25:27 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. The only clarifying
  6346. 4:25:29 Unknown speaker question I had maybe for staff on this
  6347. 4:25:31 Unknown speaker uh is that my understanding of the
  6348. 4:25:34 Unknown speaker neighborhoods due due west and due south
  6349. 4:25:36 Unknown speaker are actually county and not city. And so
  6350. 4:25:38 Unknown speaker I'm just wondering from a public
  6351. 4:25:39 Unknown speaker pedestrian accessibility standpoint
  6352. 4:25:41 Unknown speaker given your wording if that is a
  6353. 4:25:43 Unknown speaker connectivity issue between the systems.
  6354. 4:25:47 Unknown speaker Just wanted to check on that before we
  6355. 4:25:48 Unknown speaker vote on something there.
  6356. 4:25:52 Unknown speaker Could you restate your question, please?
  6357. 4:25:53 Unknown speaker Yeah. So the the wording of the the
  6358. 4:25:55 Unknown speaker motion or the condition currently is um
  6359. 4:26:01 Unknown speaker shall be designed to provide public
  6360. 4:26:03 Unknown speaker pedestrian access for residents of said
  6361. 4:26:05 Unknown speaker neighborhood on the western and southern
  6362. 4:26:07 Unknown speaker boundaries.
  6363. 4:26:09 Unknown speaker And I because to my knowledge those are
  6364. 4:26:11 Unknown speaker county neighborhoods not city. I just
  6365. 4:26:15 Unknown speaker wanted to understand the the connection
  6366. 4:26:17 Unknown speaker physically, literally and figuratively
  6367. 4:26:19 Unknown speaker between county codes for pedestrian
  6368. 4:26:22 Unknown speaker access and city codes will require
  6369. 4:26:26 Unknown speaker connectivity. So, installation of any
  6370. 4:26:28 Unknown speaker required sidewalks, walkways, etc. to um
  6371. 4:26:33 Unknown speaker the the extent of the property, the
  6372. 4:26:36 Unknown speaker county connectivity is in place and will
  6373. 4:26:39 Unknown speaker be connected to at every opportunity.
  6374. 4:26:41 Unknown speaker But if there's not connected
  6375. 4:26:42 Unknown speaker connectivity in place in the county,
  6376. 4:26:44 Unknown speaker that would create an issue.
  6377. 4:26:46 Unknown speaker Thank you. Just wanted to make sure we
  6378. 4:26:47 Unknown speaker were clear on that. And then Council
  6379. 4:26:49 Unknown speaker Member Colover, is your
  6380. 4:26:51 Unknown speaker is the spirit of the is the intent of
  6381. 4:26:53 Unknown speaker your motion really to actually
  6382. 4:26:57 Unknown speaker just not restrict other like residents
  6383. 4:26:59 Unknown speaker to the west or south from entering the
  6384. 4:27:01 Unknown speaker property and basically treating as a
  6385. 4:27:02 Unknown speaker private like truly private access space
  6386. 4:27:06 Unknown speaker like a gated or fenced in thing.
  6387. 4:27:09 Unknown speaker Go ahead. Thank you, mayor. I just don't
  6388. 4:27:11 Unknown speaker want it to be a private park where the
  6389. 4:27:12 Unknown speaker residents that are to the west don't
  6390. 4:27:14 Unknown speaker have access to a park if they choose to
  6391. 4:27:17 Unknown speaker have a park on their property.
  6392. 4:27:18 Unknown speaker Sure. But to be clear, this would not be
  6393. 4:27:20 Unknown speaker a city-maintained public park. This
  6394. 4:27:22 Unknown speaker would be just a an access like this
  6395. 4:27:25 Unknown speaker would
  6396. 4:27:25 Unknown speaker like if they decide to have a pocket
  6397. 4:27:27 Unknown speaker park.
  6398. 4:27:27 Unknown speaker Sure.
  6399. 4:27:28 Unknown speaker Then it should be available
  6400. 4:27:29 Unknown speaker as part of the development.
  6401. 4:27:30 Unknown speaker Yes.
  6402. 4:27:31 Unknown speaker Correct.
  6403. 4:27:32 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  6404. 4:27:32 Unknown speaker Is that permissible with like HOA or
  6405. 4:27:36 Unknown speaker regulations? I just am wondering
  6406. 4:27:38 Unknown speaker it's the word public that's tripping me
  6407. 4:27:40 Unknown speaker up here.
  6408. 4:27:40 Unknown speaker Yeah, I think I think so. Um I'm going
  6409. 4:27:43 Unknown speaker to ask Yeah. the applicant.
  6410. 4:27:46 Unknown speaker Could you ask a clarifying question
  6411. 4:27:47 Unknown speaker because there is a
  6412. 4:27:49 Unknown speaker Oh, don't Yeah. Yeah. Can you turn on
  6413. 4:27:50 Unknown speaker your mic, please?
  6414. 4:27:51 Unknown speaker Yes. I would like to ask a clarifying
  6415. 4:27:53 Unknown speaker question because there is a public park
  6416. 4:27:55 Unknown speaker that is a component of this project. Um
  6417. 4:27:59 Unknown speaker you know, on the concept plan that says
  6418. 4:28:00 Unknown speaker pocket park location to be determined
  6419. 4:28:02 Unknown speaker with the future application. and we've
  6420. 4:28:04 Unknown speaker indicated that this will be an acre or
  6421. 4:28:06 Unknown speaker larger. One thing I want to make sure of
  6422. 4:28:08 Unknown speaker is if there are any specific HOA
  6423. 4:28:11 Unknown speaker amenities like a gym or something like
  6424. 4:28:14 Unknown speaker that that's shared amongst them that
  6425. 4:28:15 Unknown speaker it's this doesn't apply to that. So,
  6426. 4:28:18 Unknown speaker it's just the public park component.
  6427. 4:28:20 Unknown speaker Otherwise, I think it makes sense to
  6428. 4:28:22 Unknown speaker give those neighbors some assurances
  6429. 4:28:24 Unknown speaker that you're going to get some benefits
  6430. 4:28:26 Unknown speaker associated with what gets built here.
  6431. 4:28:28 Unknown speaker Yeah. And this is just a park, not any
  6432. 4:28:31 Unknown speaker amenities like a gym or a pool. that's
  6433. 4:28:33 Unknown speaker that's locked. This is just a public
  6434. 4:28:35 Unknown speaker park and we would maintain that as part
  6435. 4:28:38 Unknown speaker of the HOA on the project.
  6436. 4:28:40 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um
  6437. 4:28:45 Unknown speaker yes, go ahead. Yeah.
  6438. 4:28:46 Unknown speaker Clarify the commission. I would
  6439. 4:28:47 Unknown speaker recommend adding public park in there
  6440. 4:28:48 Unknown speaker just in case they decide to build a dog
  6441. 4:28:50 Unknown speaker park
  6442. 4:28:51 Unknown speaker just prevent any issues going forward.
  6443. 4:28:54 Unknown speaker Like if it is an HOA owned dog park.
  6444. 4:28:58 Unknown speaker Yeah. Sorry.
  6445. 4:28:59 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6446. 4:29:01 Unknown speaker Oh, go ahead. Um, Cal, Council Member
  6447. 4:29:04 Unknown speaker Koffer, you wanted to amend your
  6448. 4:29:06 Unknown speaker amendment.
  6449. 4:29:07 Unknown speaker I'm Yeah, I'm I'm okay with that
  6450. 4:29:08 Unknown speaker amendment. And I kind of also want to
  6451. 4:29:10 Unknown speaker amend and strike out southern because
  6452. 4:29:12 Unknown speaker there is not going to be a road on the
  6453. 4:29:14 Unknown speaker southern part. So, it's just going to be
  6454. 4:29:15 Unknown speaker on the western part. So, I'd like to
  6455. 4:29:17 Unknown speaker Yes.
  6456. 4:29:18 Unknown speaker Okay. So, strike strike southern
  6457. 4:29:21 Unknown speaker and um where it says parks, public park.
  6458. 4:29:25 Unknown speaker Yep.
  6459. 4:29:26 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. So, the motion was made by
  6460. 4:29:30 Unknown speaker council member Koffer. Um, council
  6461. 4:29:33 Unknown speaker member Prito, do you still want to
  6462. 4:29:34 Unknown speaker second the changes?
  6463. 4:29:36 Unknown speaker Second.
  6464. 4:29:37 Unknown speaker Yes. Okay. So, let's go ahead and vote
  6465. 4:29:39 Unknown speaker on this. [laughter]
  6466. 4:29:45 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. So,
  6467. 4:29:50 Unknown speaker now we're on to the main. [laughter]
  6468. 4:29:53 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  6469. 4:29:54 Unknown speaker sure.
  6470. 4:29:54 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6471. 4:29:55 Unknown speaker I move.
  6472. 4:29:56 Unknown speaker Okay. Go ahead, Mayor Pro.
  6473. 4:29:59 Unknown speaker Let me see here. Uh, this just jumped in
  6474. 4:30:02 Unknown speaker my
  6475. 4:30:03 Unknown speaker Yeah, it's
  6476. 4:30:04 Unknown speaker in my Yeah, I'm trying.
  6477. 4:30:05 Unknown speaker Ordinance 2026.
  6478. 4:30:06 Unknown speaker Ordinance 202676.
  6479. 4:30:08 Unknown speaker Uh, with all the amendments
  6480. 4:30:11 Unknown speaker added. Yes.
  6481. 4:30:12 Unknown speaker Added.
  6482. 4:30:13 Unknown speaker Okay. All the conditions.
  6483. 4:30:14 Unknown speaker Conditions.
  6484. 4:30:16 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6485. 4:30:16 Unknown speaker I do not.
  6486. 4:30:17 Unknown speaker No. Okay. Do we have a second?
  6487. 4:30:20 Unknown speaker Second.
  6488. 4:30:20 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion was made to approve
  6489. 4:30:22 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-76
  6490. 4:30:25 Unknown speaker as amended. um made by Mayor Prom McCoy,
  6491. 4:30:29 Unknown speaker seconded by Council Member Christ. See
  6492. 4:30:30 Unknown speaker no one in the queue. Let's go ahead and
  6493. 4:30:32 Unknown speaker vote.
  6494. 4:30:36 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  6495. 4:30:39 Unknown speaker Okay. Where are we at?
  6496. 4:30:41 Unknown speaker Lordy lordy. We are now on to general
  6497. 4:30:44 Unknown speaker business.
  6498. 4:30:46 Unknown speaker Um
  6499. 4:30:49 Unknown speaker okay. So um may I please um so general
  6500. 4:30:52 Unknown speaker business. So, we need to recess as the
  6501. 4:30:54 Unknown speaker Longmont City Council and convene as a
  6502. 4:30:56 Unknown speaker board of directors of the Longmont
  6503. 4:30:58 Unknown speaker General Improvement District number one.
  6504. 4:30:59 Unknown speaker May I have a motion to Yeah. Okay. So,
  6505. 4:31:01 Unknown speaker we have a motion uh made by Mayor Prom
  6506. 4:31:04 Unknown speaker McCoy and seconded by Council Member
  6507. 4:31:06 Unknown speaker Popkin
  6508. 4:31:08 Unknown speaker um
  6509. 4:31:10 Unknown speaker to recess as the Longmont City Council
  6510. 4:31:12 Unknown speaker and convene as the board of directors of
  6511. 4:31:13 Unknown speaker the Longmont General Improvement
  6512. 4:31:15 Unknown speaker District number one. Let's go ahead and
  6513. 4:31:16 Unknown speaker vote.
  6514. 4:31:23 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  6515. 4:31:26 Unknown speaker So we are on item A um resolution LGID
  6516. 4:31:31 Unknown speaker 2026-202
  6517. 4:31:34 Unknown speaker a resolution fixing and levying taxes on
  6518. 4:31:36 Unknown speaker the real and personal property within
  6519. 4:31:38 Unknown speaker the Longmont General Improvement
  6520. 4:31:39 Unknown speaker District number one for the year 2026 to
  6521. 4:31:42 Unknown speaker pay budgeted expenses of the district
  6522. 4:31:45 Unknown speaker for the 2027 fiscal year. Are there any
  6523. 4:31:48 Unknown speaker questions from council? Mayor Promp. Oh,
  6524. 4:31:51 Unknown speaker I'm sorry. That on there.
  6525. 4:31:53 Unknown speaker Very good. Sketch out. There we go.
  6526. 4:31:56 Unknown speaker Okay. So, seeing um seeing no questions
  6527. 4:32:00 Unknown speaker from council, may I have a motion to
  6528. 4:32:02 Unknown speaker pass resolution LG 2026-02.
  6529. 4:32:07 Unknown speaker So, motion was made by um council member
  6530. 4:32:10 Unknown speaker Chris, seconded by Mayor Prom.
  6531. 4:32:15 Unknown speaker And seeing no one in the queue, let's go
  6532. 4:32:16 Unknown speaker ahead and vote.
  6533. 4:32:19 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. And that carries
  6534. 4:32:21 Unknown speaker unanimously. Can I have a motion to
  6535. 4:32:23 Unknown speaker adjurnn as the um board of directors of
  6536. 4:32:26 Unknown speaker the Longmont General Improvement
  6537. 4:32:27 Unknown speaker District number one and reconvene as a
  6538. 4:32:29 Unknown speaker Longmont City Council?
  6539. 4:32:30 Unknown speaker Second.
  6540. 4:32:31 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion was made by Mayor
  6541. 4:32:32 Unknown speaker Prom and seconded by Council Member
  6542. 4:32:34 Unknown speaker Popkin. Uh let's go ahead and vote.
  6543. 4:32:41 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries.
  6544. 4:32:44 Unknown speaker Having a good time in the
  6545. 4:32:45 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6546. 4:32:48 Unknown speaker But you but
  6547. 4:32:49 Unknown speaker so that carries six to one with council
  6548. 4:32:51 Unknown speaker member Marcen in opposition. Okay.
  6549. 4:32:55 Unknown speaker Yeah. [laughter]
  6550. 4:32:57 Unknown speaker Let's just hop back in there. Okay. So
  6551. 4:32:59 Unknown speaker we are now um back as Longmont City
  6552. 4:33:02 Unknown speaker Council. Item B, the appeal of a
  6553. 4:33:04 Unknown speaker variance to reduce site setbacks at 545
  6554. 4:33:07 Unknown speaker Collier Street and consideration of
  6555. 4:33:09 Unknown speaker resolution 2026-78.
  6556. 4:33:12 Unknown speaker a resolution for um of the Longmont City
  6557. 4:33:14 Unknown speaker Council upholding the decision of the
  6558. 4:33:16 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission to
  6559. 4:33:19 Unknown speaker conditionally approve a garage setbacks
  6560. 4:33:21 Unknown speaker variance request at 5:45 Collier Street.
  6561. 4:33:25 Unknown speaker And do you have presentation? I do and I
  6562. 4:33:29 Unknown speaker will try to be as brief as possible
  6563. 4:33:31 Unknown speaker given the hour. [laughter] So again,
  6564. 4:33:34 Unknown speaker Jennifer Huitt Afferson, principal
  6565. 4:33:35 Unknown speaker planner of planning and development
  6566. 4:33:36 Unknown speaker services. Uh we are here concerning an
  6567. 4:33:39 Unknown speaker appeal of a variance that was approved
  6568. 4:33:41 Unknown speaker by the Longmont Planning and Zoning
  6569. 4:33:43 Unknown speaker Commission at their September 16th
  6570. 4:33:45 Unknown speaker meeting.
  6571. 4:33:47 Unknown speaker Um just as background, this property is
  6572. 4:33:49 Unknown speaker 545 Collier Street. It is located at the
  6573. 4:33:52 Unknown speaker southwest corner of Collier Street and
  6574. 4:33:54 Unknown speaker 6th Avenue. Uh Collier Park is this
  6575. 4:33:56 Unknown speaker green area immediately to the northwest.
  6576. 4:33:59 Unknown speaker This is a quarter acre lot that is
  6577. 4:34:01 Unknown speaker located in the historic East Side
  6578. 4:34:02 Unknown speaker neighborhood. It is zoned residential
  6579. 4:34:04 Unknown speaker single family and designated a single
  6580. 4:34:06 Unknown speaker family neighborhood by Envision
  6581. 4:34:08 Unknown speaker Longmont. 545 Collier is a designated
  6582. 4:34:11 Unknown speaker historic landmark that is known as the
  6583. 4:34:12 Unknown speaker Bemis Rowan House.
  6584. 4:34:16 Unknown speaker So, as I noted on September 16th, the
  6585. 4:34:18 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission approved
  6586. 4:34:20 Unknown speaker variance uh to reduce the required side
  6587. 4:34:22 Unknown speaker setbacks from 5T to 0 feet to allow for
  6588. 4:34:25 Unknown speaker a new garage to be built in the
  6589. 4:34:27 Unknown speaker approximate location where one
  6590. 4:34:29 Unknown speaker previously had existed. Um this appro
  6591. 4:34:31 Unknown speaker this approval was conditioned on all
  6592. 4:34:34 Unknown speaker applicable fire codes being met.
  6593. 4:34:37 Unknown speaker So following this decision, an appeal
  6594. 4:34:39 Unknown speaker was filed in accordance with section
  6595. 4:34:41 Unknown speaker 15024
  6596. 4:34:44 Unknown speaker K um by a party in interest arguing that
  6597. 4:34:47 Unknown speaker the decision was plainly inconsistent
  6598. 4:34:49 Unknown speaker with the review criteria as shown by
  6599. 4:34:51 Unknown speaker clear and convincing evidence.
  6600. 4:34:55 Unknown speaker So, just as background, um there
  6601. 4:34:57 Unknown speaker originally, this is the original um
  6602. 4:34:59 Unknown speaker original conditions on the property.
  6603. 4:35:01 Unknown speaker This is the garage location in question.
  6604. 4:35:04 Unknown speaker Um there originally was a singlecar
  6605. 4:35:06 Unknown speaker garage located um in the southwest
  6606. 4:35:09 Unknown speaker corner of this property. It had been
  6607. 4:35:11 Unknown speaker built approximately 2 and 1/2 ft over
  6608. 4:35:13 Unknown speaker the western property line and was
  6609. 4:35:16 Unknown speaker roughly a foot to a foot and a half um
  6610. 4:35:19 Unknown speaker north of the southern property line.
  6611. 4:35:21 Unknown speaker It's not really clear when this garage
  6612. 4:35:22 Unknown speaker was originally built um because it there
  6613. 4:35:27 Unknown speaker there is a very detailed cultural survey
  6614. 4:35:28 Unknown speaker done that was done for this property. It
  6615. 4:35:31 Unknown speaker really wasn't referenced. The landmark
  6616. 4:35:34 Unknown speaker designation really only dealt with the
  6617. 4:35:36 Unknown speaker house. So we don't have a lot of
  6618. 4:35:37 Unknown speaker information on the garage. And I can
  6619. 4:35:38 Unknown speaker tell you also the gentleman who did
  6620. 4:35:41 Unknown speaker complete that cultural survey is beyond
  6621. 4:35:43 Unknown speaker thor he was beyond thorough in his
  6622. 4:35:45 Unknown speaker assessment. So, if he had been able to
  6623. 4:35:47 Unknown speaker find data on find information on that
  6624. 4:35:49 Unknown speaker garage construction date, it would have
  6625. 4:35:50 Unknown speaker been in there. Um, so the southeast
  6626. 4:35:53 Unknown speaker portion, there's this little L-shaped
  6627. 4:35:55 Unknown speaker spot that is a shed that at some point
  6628. 4:35:58 Unknown speaker had been attached to garage to the
  6629. 4:36:00 Unknown speaker garage. Um, and again, as I noted, this
  6630. 4:36:02 Unknown speaker was not considered historically
  6631. 4:36:04 Unknown speaker significant. So, for context, the
  6632. 4:36:07 Unknown speaker requested variance would enable the
  6633. 4:36:09 Unknown speaker homeowner um to build a new garage in
  6634. 4:36:12 Unknown speaker approximately the same location as the
  6635. 4:36:14 Unknown speaker original garage minus the encroachments
  6636. 4:36:16 Unknown speaker over the western property line. So, this
  6637. 4:36:18 Unknown speaker area outlined in green is roughly where
  6638. 4:36:22 Unknown speaker they would be the the home homeowner
  6639. 4:36:25 Unknown speaker would be looking to to build the garage
  6640. 4:36:27 Unknown speaker so it would no longer encroach on over
  6641. 4:36:29 Unknown speaker the property line because that is not
  6642. 4:36:31 Unknown speaker permitted. Um
  6643. 4:36:34 Unknown speaker so um basically there was an erroneous
  6644. 4:36:37 Unknown speaker demolition of the original garage during
  6645. 4:36:40 Unknown speaker what was supposed to be replacement of a
  6646. 4:36:42 Unknown speaker roof structure. Um hence the request to
  6647. 4:36:45 Unknown speaker seek the variance to locate a new garage
  6648. 4:36:48 Unknown speaker in roughly the same location. Um the
  6649. 4:36:50 Unknown speaker existing shed remains on the property
  6650. 4:36:52 Unknown speaker and has been converted into an AR
  6651. 4:36:54 Unknown speaker studio. So that is a you know existing
  6652. 4:36:56 Unknown speaker building that is firmly in place. So
  6653. 4:36:59 Unknown speaker that definitely presents some some
  6654. 4:37:00 Unknown speaker challenges there. So as noted um the
  6655. 4:37:04 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission did
  6656. 4:37:05 Unknown speaker approve the requested variance through
  6657. 4:37:07 Unknown speaker PZR17B
  6658. 4:37:09 Unknown speaker um finding that the application conforms
  6659. 4:37:11 Unknown speaker to the applicable requirements of
  6660. 4:37:13 Unknown speaker sections 1502
  6661. 4:37:15 Unknown speaker uh 055 and 1502060
  6662. 4:37:19 Unknown speaker of the land development code with a
  6663. 4:37:20 Unknown speaker condition that all applicable fire codes
  6664. 4:37:23 Unknown speaker um be complied with. So this evening,
  6665. 4:37:26 Unknown speaker uh, city council will consider an appeal
  6666. 4:37:29 Unknown speaker of this decision. I'm just going to do a
  6667. 4:37:30 Unknown speaker quick overview given the hour and given
  6668. 4:37:32 Unknown speaker that you also have recently had a
  6669. 4:37:35 Unknown speaker variance appeal on your agenda. So as
  6670. 4:37:38 Unknown speaker noted, staff will present the appeal
  6671. 4:37:39 Unknown speaker report um followed by a presentation by
  6672. 4:37:43 Unknown speaker the appellant um at which point
  6673. 4:37:46 Unknown speaker following that the applicant uh may also
  6674. 4:37:49 Unknown speaker present an argument as well. code does
  6675. 4:37:52 Unknown speaker provide that each side may have up to 15
  6676. 4:37:55 Unknown speaker minutes subject to discretion of city
  6677. 4:37:57 Unknown speaker council. Um so the council may also
  6678. 4:38:01 Unknown speaker consider additional evidence um that is
  6679. 4:38:04 Unknown speaker relevant to the appeal um at their
  6680. 4:38:07 Unknown speaker discretion. Again,
  6681. 4:38:10 Unknown speaker if that additional evidence is
  6682. 4:38:11 Unknown speaker presented, there will be opportunities
  6683. 4:38:13 Unknown speaker for um both the staff appellant and
  6684. 4:38:16 Unknown speaker applicant to discuss those those items.
  6685. 4:38:20 Unknown speaker Finally, council obviously you can ask
  6686. 4:38:22 Unknown speaker questions and have discussions um and
  6687. 4:38:24 Unknown speaker then you would vote on the appeal
  6688. 4:38:25 Unknown speaker resolutions. This is the final
  6689. 4:38:27 Unknown speaker decision-making stage of that process.
  6690. 4:38:31 Unknown speaker So really there are three questions
  6691. 4:38:33 Unknown speaker before council and it's really
  6692. 4:38:37 Unknown speaker was the commission plainly in error when
  6693. 4:38:39 Unknown speaker making their decision. Um section K
  6694. 4:38:42 Unknown speaker offers um there are three conditions or
  6695. 4:38:44 Unknown speaker three three um situations um for
  6696. 4:38:47 Unknown speaker consideration. One is was the planning
  6697. 4:38:49 Unknown speaker and zoning commission's decision um to
  6698. 4:38:52 Unknown speaker plainly in error because the decision
  6699. 4:38:54 Unknown speaker was not supported by any competent
  6700. 4:38:56 Unknown speaker evidence on the record. Was the planning
  6701. 4:38:58 Unknown speaker and zoning commission's uh decision
  6702. 4:39:01 Unknown speaker plainly in error because the decision
  6703. 4:39:03 Unknown speaker was plainly inconsistent with the review
  6704. 4:39:05 Unknown speaker criteria as shown by clear and
  6705. 4:39:07 Unknown speaker convincing evidence? And um was the
  6706. 4:39:11 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission's
  6707. 4:39:12 Unknown speaker decision plainly or was the comm
  6708. 4:39:15 Unknown speaker decision plainly an error um because
  6709. 4:39:17 Unknown speaker they exceeded their authority? Um
  6710. 4:39:22 Unknown speaker so essentially you have four options. Um
  6711. 4:39:25 Unknown speaker you can uphold if if you find that there
  6712. 4:39:28 Unknown speaker note all those questions you can up you
  6713. 4:39:30 Unknown speaker would uphold the planning and zoning
  6714. 4:39:32 Unknown speaker commission decision. If they're as yes
  6715. 4:39:34 Unknown speaker to any of those, you could reverse the
  6716. 4:39:37 Unknown speaker planning and zoning
  6717. 4:39:38 Unknown speaker commission's decision. Um the there's
  6718. 4:39:41 Unknown speaker also the option if there are some
  6719. 4:39:43 Unknown speaker respects there um you may pass a
  6720. 4:39:46 Unknown speaker resolution modifying the decision. Um
  6721. 4:39:49 Unknown speaker and alternatively um or finally I should
  6722. 4:39:52 Unknown speaker say if you feel like there are certain
  6723. 4:39:54 Unknown speaker things that need to be considered um you
  6724. 4:39:56 Unknown speaker could remand the appeal back to the
  6725. 4:39:58 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission for
  6726. 4:40:00 Unknown speaker additional consideration.
  6727. 4:40:02 Unknown speaker So again, just kind of going to fly
  6728. 4:40:04 Unknown speaker through this real quick. Um, there are
  6729. 4:40:09 Unknown speaker review criteria for all types that all
  6730. 4:40:11 Unknown speaker applications must meet. Variances must
  6731. 4:40:14 Unknown speaker also um
  6732. 4:40:16 Unknown speaker meet additional review criteria. Um, I'm
  6733. 4:40:19 Unknown speaker just going to provide a quick overview
  6734. 4:40:21 Unknown speaker simply because this is all in your
  6735. 4:40:22 Unknown speaker packet. Um, basically we're looking at
  6736. 4:40:25 Unknown speaker consistency with PL with our
  6737. 4:40:27 Unknown speaker comprehensive plan and various
  6738. 4:40:28 Unknown speaker regulations, compliance with city
  6739. 4:40:30 Unknown speaker standards, compatibility with
  6740. 4:40:32 Unknown speaker surrounding properties. Um, impacts to
  6741. 4:40:35 Unknown speaker surrounding properties. Um, this fifth
  6742. 4:40:38 Unknown speaker one is not applicable here. We are not
  6743. 4:40:39 Unknown speaker looking at sustainability evaluation
  6744. 4:40:41 Unknown speaker requirements. Um, and the sixth one
  6745. 4:40:43 Unknown speaker really is not very much applicable
  6746. 4:40:44 Unknown speaker applicable here either.
  6747. 4:40:47 Unknown speaker So again when we get with variances um
  6748. 4:40:50 Unknown speaker there are additional review criteria um
  6749. 4:40:53 Unknown speaker specific to variances um really looking
  6750. 4:40:56 Unknown speaker at special circumstances or practical
  6751. 4:40:59 Unknown speaker difficulty meeting those code standards.
  6752. 4:41:01 Unknown speaker So again this information is in your
  6753. 4:41:04 Unknown speaker packet so I just will not go through it.
  6754. 4:41:06 Unknown speaker Um so the final review set of review
  6755. 4:41:09 Unknown speaker criteria specific to variances ask is
  6756. 4:41:11 Unknown speaker asks some key questions of whether the
  6757. 4:41:15 Unknown speaker variance impairs the purpose and intent
  6758. 4:41:17 Unknown speaker of the code, whether it adversely
  6759. 4:41:19 Unknown speaker impacts surrounding properties um or
  6760. 4:41:22 Unknown speaker areas, whether it creates a safety
  6761. 4:41:24 Unknown speaker hazard, um whether it's needed because
  6762. 4:41:27 Unknown speaker of a self-imposed hardship or and
  6763. 4:41:30 Unknown speaker whether or not this was the least
  6764. 4:41:32 Unknown speaker deviation from the standard that would
  6765. 4:41:33 Unknown speaker afford relief. So,
  6766. 4:41:37 Unknown speaker just to review, um there are three
  6767. 4:41:40 Unknown speaker questions for city council this evening,
  6768. 4:41:42 Unknown speaker [clears throat] and that is really
  6769. 4:41:43 Unknown speaker whether the planning and zoning
  6770. 4:41:44 Unknown speaker commission was plainly an error based on
  6771. 4:41:46 Unknown speaker one of these three questions.
  6772. 4:41:49 Unknown speaker So, with that, I'm going to turn the
  6773. 4:41:52 Unknown speaker floor over to the appellent, Miss Sharon
  6774. 4:41:54 Unknown speaker Olirri. Um following Miss Olyri, um
  6775. 4:41:57 Unknown speaker Lizzie Wolf, the property owner, um
  6776. 4:41:59 Unknown speaker would like to speak as well. Thank you.
  6777. 4:42:01 Unknown speaker Okay. And then um they do have up to 15
  6778. 4:42:04 Unknown speaker minutes.
  6779. 4:42:05 Unknown speaker Do you know how to set the timer on on
  6780. 4:42:08 Unknown speaker this? Okay. So we can
  6781. 4:42:10 Unknown speaker I can sit my phone.
  6782. 4:42:12 Unknown speaker Yeah, we can do it.
  6783. 4:42:12 Unknown speaker We'll do it on the phone
  6784. 4:42:14 Unknown speaker and I'll just let them know.
  6785. 4:42:16 Unknown speaker Yeah. When it gets close to time.
  6786. 4:42:44 Unknown speaker Let me know.
  6787. 4:43:11 Unknown speaker Good evening. Soon into the morning. Sha
  6788. 4:43:15 Unknown speaker Liry, 534 Emory Street, co-chair of the
  6789. 4:43:18 Unknown speaker historic East Side neighborhood and a
  6790. 4:43:20 Unknown speaker variance letter recipient.
  6791. 4:43:24 Unknown speaker Major Mayor, uh, procedural point.
  6792. 4:43:26 Unknown speaker Yes. I it appears that the appellant is
  6793. 4:43:31 Unknown speaker augmenting the record with additional
  6794. 4:43:33 Unknown speaker evidence and that's a that's a
  6795. 4:43:36 Unknown speaker determination council needs to
  6796. 4:43:38 Unknown speaker approve. So is that this document right
  6797. 4:43:42 Unknown speaker here? Okay.
  6798. 4:43:43 Unknown speaker Yes. My understanding is that was not in
  6799. 4:43:45 Unknown speaker the notice of appeal. Is that correct?
  6800. 4:43:47 Unknown speaker Okay. What's correct is I didn't know
  6801. 4:43:49 Unknown speaker how to appeal and I started writing a
  6802. 4:43:51 Unknown speaker dissertation and thinking it was unfair
  6803. 4:43:53 Unknown speaker that I had a week to do that when all I
  6804. 4:43:55 Unknown speaker had to say is I appealed.
  6805. 4:43:57 Unknown speaker So I'm just telling council what do we
  6806. 4:44:00 Unknown speaker need to um then do we need to vote to
  6807. 4:44:02 Unknown speaker approve this whether to take
  6808. 4:44:05 Unknown speaker augment the record with additional
  6809. 4:44:07 Unknown speaker Can I say one other thing
  6810. 4:44:08 Unknown speaker so we can make it um legit? Can we vote
  6811. 4:44:11 Unknown speaker to see if um the council will approve
  6812. 4:44:14 Unknown speaker additional
  6813. 4:44:16 Unknown speaker documentation?
  6814. 4:44:18 Unknown speaker Okay. So, can I have a motion to approve
  6815. 4:44:22 Unknown speaker this evidence?
  6816. 4:44:25 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6817. 4:44:26 Unknown speaker So, so the motion was made to approve
  6818. 4:44:28 Unknown speaker additional documentation made by council
  6819. 4:44:31 Unknown speaker member Prito, seconded by council member
  6820. 4:44:34 Unknown speaker Popkin. Um if that's not in the queue,
  6821. 4:44:38 Unknown speaker we can do a verbal vote. Oh, nope. We
  6822. 4:44:39 Unknown speaker got it.
  6823. 4:44:42 Unknown speaker And then you can
  6824. 4:44:43 Unknown speaker I just want to clarify in that the night
  6825. 4:44:45 Unknown speaker of the planning and zoning I had a whole
  6826. 4:44:48 Unknown speaker slideshow but I'm not proficient with
  6827. 4:44:51 Unknown speaker PCs and clicking and reading
  6828. 4:44:55 Unknown speaker simultaneously that only the first photo
  6829. 4:44:58 Unknown speaker went up.
  6830. 4:44:59 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6831. 4:45:00 Unknown speaker So that's that's why that is why I'm not
  6832. 4:45:02 Unknown speaker trying to bend any rules.
  6833. 4:45:04 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6834. 4:45:05 Unknown speaker All right. Um so hold on. We haven't
  6835. 4:45:07 Unknown speaker finished voting. We're It's on waiting.
  6836. 4:45:09 Unknown speaker It hasn't loaded yet. Oh,
  6837. 4:45:12 Unknown speaker and I just refreshed. So,
  6838. 4:45:16 Unknown speaker okay.
  6839. 4:45:22 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. You
  6840. 4:45:23 Unknown speaker can go ahead and
  6841. 4:45:24 Unknown speaker Thank you. I appreciate your long and
  6842. 4:45:26 Unknown speaker thoughtful day and I'll try not to
  6843. 4:45:28 Unknown speaker impact. Please review the photos. Um,
  6844. 4:45:32 Unknown speaker and what I want you to know is as you
  6845. 4:45:34 Unknown speaker look at these f photos, the roof was
  6846. 4:45:37 Unknown speaker taken off 42826.
  6847. 4:45:40 Unknown speaker Three walls came down 51526.
  6848. 4:45:44 Unknown speaker All walls came down 52726
  6849. 4:45:49 Unknown speaker and the building permit was pulled and
  6850. 4:45:52 Unknown speaker paid for 6926.
  6851. 4:45:56 Unknown speaker at the PNZ meeting. This was the only
  6852. 4:45:59 Unknown speaker photo that went up on the slide. This is
  6853. 4:46:02 Unknown speaker how the shed and
  6854. 4:46:05 Unknown speaker garage looked.
  6855. 4:46:07 Unknown speaker The [laughter] historic East Side
  6856. 4:46:08 Unknown speaker neighborhood thinks that it is important
  6857. 4:46:10 Unknown speaker to hold 545 Kier accountable because it
  6858. 4:46:14 Unknown speaker creates a precedence for future
  6859. 4:46:16 Unknown speaker variances. If this is not addressed,
  6860. 4:46:19 Unknown speaker we're kicking the can down the road for
  6861. 4:46:21 Unknown speaker the next neighbor or developer. We also
  6862. 4:46:24 Unknown speaker think it's imperative that there is a
  6863. 4:46:26 Unknown speaker system for verification that permits
  6864. 4:46:29 Unknown speaker have been paid for prior to the
  6865. 4:46:31 Unknown speaker construction ever beginning. It is
  6866. 4:46:34 Unknown speaker awkward to apply today's planning
  6867. 4:46:36 Unknown speaker standards on the oldest neighborhood in
  6868. 4:46:39 Unknown speaker Longmont. We started out as an orderly
  6869. 4:46:42 Unknown speaker rectangular map of the original square
  6870. 4:46:44 Unknown speaker mile, but it has been altered greatly
  6871. 4:46:46 Unknown speaker due to zoning changes throughout the
  6872. 4:46:48 Unknown speaker years. One sizefits-all is not
  6873. 4:46:51 Unknown speaker applicable. In section I lowerase,
  6874. 4:46:56 Unknown speaker special circumstances will be considered
  6875. 4:46:58 Unknown speaker in determining practical difficulty. We
  6876. 4:47:01 Unknown speaker believe the hardship was self-imposed by
  6877. 4:47:03 Unknown speaker the applicant and several planning and
  6878. 4:47:06 Unknown speaker zoning commissioners agreed. In section
  6879. 4:47:09 Unknown speaker lowercase double I whether the property
  6880. 4:47:12 Unknown speaker in development can have beneficial use
  6881. 4:47:15 Unknown speaker without a variance. We believe the
  6882. 4:47:17 Unknown speaker boundary line survey will ensure that
  6883. 4:47:19 Unknown speaker future problems are addressed and not
  6884. 4:47:22 Unknown speaker create new ones.
  6885. 4:47:24 Unknown speaker The owner
  6886. 4:47:26 Unknown speaker I just lost my place. Dang.
  6887. 4:47:30 Unknown speaker In section B, the degree to which the
  6888. 4:47:33 Unknown speaker variance deviates from the otherwise
  6889. 4:47:36 Unknown speaker applicable standard is 0 to 5 ft. A
  6890. 4:47:39 Unknown speaker survey will tell us exactly that needed
  6891. 4:47:41 Unknown speaker information. The owner of 545 bought the
  6892. 4:47:45 Unknown speaker home as it was aware of the condition of
  6893. 4:47:48 Unknown speaker the garage and location. I'm going to
  6894. 4:47:50 Unknown speaker briefly give you the history of
  6895. 4:47:52 Unknown speaker Longmont's oldest neighborhood. In the
  6896. 4:47:54 Unknown speaker 20s, the city did not want urban sprawl.
  6897. 4:47:58 Unknown speaker So, Longmont addressed that through a
  6898. 4:47:59 Unknown speaker zoning change, and the city condoned and
  6899. 4:48:02 Unknown speaker encouraged subdividing the deeper lots
  6900. 4:48:05 Unknown speaker within the historic side. So our number
  6901. 4:48:08 Unknown speaker streets fourth, fifth, 6th, Longs Peak,
  6902. 4:48:10 Unknown speaker and 8th Avenue were subdivided.
  6903. 4:48:13 Unknown speaker This is a unique pattern. This is when
  6904. 4:48:16 Unknown speaker our neighborhood deviated from the
  6905. 4:48:18 Unknown speaker traditional large rectangular lots as
  6906. 4:48:22 Unknown speaker represented on the maps in bronze plaque
  6907. 4:48:24 Unknown speaker on Main Street and the original Longmont
  6908. 4:48:27 Unknown speaker Mile. If you walk down those east west
  6909. 4:48:29 Unknown speaker streets, you're going to see more small
  6910. 4:48:31 Unknown speaker bungalows and mid-century homes, a
  6911. 4:48:34 Unknown speaker result of zoning changes within the
  6912. 4:48:36 Unknown speaker neighborhood, but not citywide.
  6913. 4:48:38 Unknown speaker The historic
  6914. 4:48:40 Unknown speaker this is clearly
  6915. 4:48:42 Unknown speaker not this is not happening on the
  6916. 4:48:45 Unknown speaker historic west side. Also, another
  6917. 4:48:48 Unknown speaker feature unique to the historic east side
  6918. 4:48:50 Unknown speaker is multif family apartment buildings
  6919. 4:48:52 Unknown speaker dispersed throughout the neighborhood.
  6920. 4:48:54 Unknown speaker This zoning allowed the demolition of
  6921. 4:48:56 Unknown speaker older, smaller homes to replace them
  6922. 4:48:59 Unknown speaker with apartment buildings. It's clearly
  6923. 4:49:01 Unknown speaker reflected on Emery Street, the 500
  6924. 4:49:03 Unknown speaker block. There's a twostory small
  6925. 4:49:06 Unknown speaker apartment building with a bungalow next
  6926. 4:49:08 Unknown speaker door. The design change reflects zoning
  6927. 4:49:10 Unknown speaker changes impact. If you move north to the
  6928. 4:49:13 Unknown speaker corner of Long's Peak and Emory, you'll
  6929. 4:49:15 Unknown speaker see three multi-family apartment units.
  6930. 4:49:19 Unknown speaker Again, a sign of demolition and
  6931. 4:49:20 Unknown speaker replacement housing changes. These
  6932. 4:49:23 Unknown speaker apartments replace the demolished Brian
  6933. 4:49:26 Unknown speaker Elementary School. A little backstory on
  6934. 4:49:29 Unknown speaker 545 CER. Many records were co-mingled
  6935. 4:49:33 Unknown speaker with 1545
  6936. 4:49:34 Unknown speaker CER as I researched on 81226 and again
  6937. 4:49:39 Unknown speaker this week.
  6938. 4:49:41 Unknown speaker 42325.
  6939. 4:49:43 Unknown speaker A demolition to the garage all the way
  6940. 4:49:47 Unknown speaker to the ground was put in record.
  6941. 4:49:50 Unknown speaker Eventually that was cancelled. 91025
  6942. 4:49:55 Unknown speaker HPC building permit historical shed was
  6943. 4:49:58 Unknown speaker not a part of the demo and it was good
  6944. 4:50:00 Unknown speaker for 2 years. 3 uh 2826 Lizzy Wolf listed
  6945. 4:50:06 Unknown speaker herself as the contractor with a
  6946. 4:50:09 Unknown speaker handdrawn application.
  6947. 4:50:12 Unknown speaker 3426
  6948. 4:50:13 Unknown speaker improvement location certificate states
  6949. 4:50:16 Unknown speaker that the form cannot be used as a
  6950. 4:50:18 Unknown speaker factual document for property lines and
  6951. 4:50:21 Unknown speaker locations of structure. And you can see
  6952. 4:50:24 Unknown speaker that reflected in photo number nine.
  6953. 4:50:29 Unknown speaker Um 6926 accessory building it the it
  6954. 4:50:35 Unknown speaker read accessory building repairing
  6955. 4:50:38 Unknown speaker roofing roof structure on the garage and
  6956. 4:50:40 Unknown speaker shed pouring concrete inside the garage
  6957. 4:50:43 Unknown speaker closing the hole between the two
  6958. 4:50:45 Unknown speaker structures insulating drywalling shed
  6959. 4:50:47 Unknown speaker replacing broken windows in the shed
  6960. 4:50:49 Unknown speaker installing main door in the shed and was
  6961. 4:50:52 Unknown speaker paid with a check
  6962. 4:50:55 Unknown speaker at the planning and zoning meeting only
  6963. 4:50:57 Unknown speaker this first
  6964. 4:50:59 Unknown speaker photo was shown. Again, I already said
  6965. 4:51:02 Unknown speaker because of my inability to read and work
  6966. 4:51:05 Unknown speaker a PC simultaneously.
  6967. 4:51:08 Unknown speaker Um, now I'm going to list some
  6968. 4:51:09 Unknown speaker discrepancies from the PNZ meeting. The
  6969. 4:51:12 Unknown speaker land development code 1502
  6970. 4:51:15 Unknown speaker 040 talks about the distance from the
  6971. 4:51:18 Unknown speaker subject property specified. It also
  6972. 4:51:20 Unknown speaker states that the registered neighborhood
  6973. 4:51:22 Unknown speaker group who's defined within those
  6974. 4:51:24 Unknown speaker boundaries lie a required notification.
  6975. 4:51:28 Unknown speaker Our neighborhood is a registered
  6976. 4:51:30 Unknown speaker neighborhood. Neither myself or our
  6977. 4:51:32 Unknown speaker co-chair received notification.
  6978. 4:51:36 Unknown speaker Number one, looking at the original
  6979. 4:51:38 Unknown speaker photo of the garage, it is not affecting
  6980. 4:51:41 Unknown speaker the driveway or the shed. Number two,
  6981. 4:51:44 Unknown speaker the photo of the original garage
  6982. 4:51:48 Unknown speaker shed that was used in the planning and
  6983. 4:51:50 Unknown speaker zoning presentation has striking
  6984. 4:51:53 Unknown speaker differences than the ones you are being
  6985. 4:51:56 Unknown speaker shown. Number three, during the
  6986. 4:51:58 Unknown speaker presentation, the planner stated that
  6987. 4:52:01 Unknown speaker something went arry, but up to that
  6988. 4:52:03 Unknown speaker point, there was no permit, and that was
  6989. 4:52:06 Unknown speaker never stated. I was the resident that
  6990. 4:52:09 Unknown speaker brought the no permit to the planning
  6991. 4:52:11 Unknown speaker department's attention. Number four,
  6992. 4:52:13 Unknown speaker miscommunication went beyond the
  6993. 4:52:15 Unknown speaker homeowner and the contractor. A stop
  6994. 4:52:18 Unknown speaker work order was put and complied with.
  6995. 4:52:20 Unknown speaker Number five, a city planner went in and
  6996. 4:52:23 Unknown speaker stated that a sheer wall was needed for
  6997. 4:52:26 Unknown speaker safety. This is a discrepancy that
  6998. 4:52:28 Unknown speaker should be challenged. My husband has
  6999. 4:52:30 Unknown speaker worked his entire life in construction.
  7000. 4:52:32 Unknown speaker He stated the wall should have been laid
  7001. 4:52:34 Unknown speaker down rather than allowing construction
  7002. 4:52:36 Unknown speaker to continue. Number six, the offset
  7003. 4:52:39 Unknown speaker driveway is not a problem. We have many
  7004. 4:52:42 Unknown speaker example of neighbor many examples
  7005. 4:52:44 Unknown speaker throughout the neighborhood.
  7006. 4:52:46 Unknown speaker Um, presently
  7007. 4:52:50 Unknown speaker I lost my place again. Number seven,
  7008. 4:52:52 Unknown speaker several neighbors requested a full
  7009. 4:52:54 Unknown speaker survey and indicate indicated it should
  7010. 4:52:56 Unknown speaker have happened sooner. Presently the
  7011. 4:52:59 Unknown speaker staff stated that the pin survey is
  7012. 4:53:01 Unknown speaker required. At the beginning of the
  7013. 4:53:03 Unknown speaker presentation, the planner had
  7014. 4:53:05 Unknown speaker conflicting statements about the garage.
  7015. 4:53:07 Unknown speaker It was stated that it was not
  7016. 4:53:09 Unknown speaker contributing historic factor but then
  7017. 4:53:11 Unknown speaker later stated it was. The situation here
  7018. 4:53:14 Unknown speaker is due to the self-imposed hardships by
  7019. 4:53:18 Unknown speaker the applicant. The case has wasted
  7020. 4:53:21 Unknown speaker countless hours of city staff time to
  7021. 4:53:25 Unknown speaker citizen boards, the historic
  7022. 4:53:26 Unknown speaker preservation and planning and zoning.
  7023. 4:53:29 Unknown speaker Please deny this variance request and
  7024. 4:53:32 Unknown speaker require a pin survey with structure
  7025. 4:53:35 Unknown speaker locates to be completed as soon as
  7026. 4:53:37 Unknown speaker possible. Another factor here is that
  7027. 4:53:40 Unknown speaker you will restrict the ability of the
  7028. 4:53:42 Unknown speaker home to the west who has a small
  7029. 4:53:45 Unknown speaker attached garage in the future when they
  7030. 4:53:47 Unknown speaker want to replace that. Denying this V
  7031. 4:53:51 Unknown speaker variance will eliminate future problems
  7032. 4:53:54 Unknown speaker and save valuable staff time as well as
  7033. 4:53:58 Unknown speaker volunteer board time.
  7034. 4:54:01 Unknown speaker And then just going back to these
  7035. 4:54:03 Unknown speaker photos, you can sign kind of Do I still
  7036. 4:54:06 Unknown speaker have time?
  7037. 4:54:06 Unknown speaker Oh, you have
  7038. 4:54:07 Unknown speaker Oh, no, you have time.
  7039. 4:54:08 Unknown speaker Okay, continue.
  7040. 4:54:09 Unknown speaker You have six minutes.
  7041. 4:54:11 Unknown speaker Okay. So, [laughter]
  7042. 4:54:13 Unknown speaker in the first photo, that's the roof
  7043. 4:54:15 Unknown speaker coming down. Second photo is showing the
  7044. 4:54:19 Unknown speaker uh if you look in the background that's
  7045. 4:54:21 Unknown speaker the one standing wall on the back south
  7046. 4:54:24 Unknown speaker side here you can clearly see in picture
  7047. 4:54:27 Unknown speaker three the shed and the one standing
  7048. 4:54:30 Unknown speaker wall. Picture four. Oh, there's no more
  7049. 4:54:34 Unknown speaker standing wall. Where did that go? Okay.
  7050. 4:54:37 Unknown speaker And then it shows the starting of
  7051. 4:54:39 Unknown speaker putting up temporary walls in five and
  7052. 4:54:43 Unknown speaker six.
  7053. 4:54:45 Unknown speaker And it continues on um number eight. It
  7054. 4:54:49 Unknown speaker she has her car pulled up all the way
  7055. 4:54:53 Unknown speaker and it follows. It's a straight back
  7056. 4:54:56 Unknown speaker out. This form on number nine was used
  7057. 4:55:01 Unknown speaker time and time and time and time again,
  7058. 4:55:04 Unknown speaker but it clearly states that it's not a
  7059. 4:55:07 Unknown speaker proper survey. Yet, it has been used as
  7060. 4:55:09 Unknown speaker that throughout all processes.
  7061. 4:55:12 Unknown speaker Uh picture 10 is showing the shed
  7062. 4:55:15 Unknown speaker completed um and then the partial walls
  7063. 4:55:18 Unknown speaker that were allowed to go on. Uh something
  7064. 4:55:21 Unknown speaker else that was stated at the meeting
  7065. 4:55:22 Unknown speaker which um kind of made me laugh was that
  7066. 4:55:25 Unknown speaker that bottom picture are the spaces in
  7067. 4:55:28 Unknown speaker between sheds, garages and fences and
  7068. 4:55:31 Unknown speaker said that it could cause a hazard and
  7069. 4:55:33 Unknown speaker made it dangerous. You know what the
  7070. 4:55:35 Unknown speaker most dangerous thing is in this in our
  7071. 4:55:37 Unknown speaker neighborhood? Are drunks at the end of
  7072. 4:55:40 Unknown speaker the night on our front lawn and not in
  7073. 4:55:42 Unknown speaker the little eaves in between our houses.
  7074. 4:55:45 Unknown speaker That is much more fearful. Uh bottom
  7075. 4:55:48 Unknown speaker picture number 12. Her subcontractor
  7076. 4:55:50 Unknown speaker didn't did not follow rules would pull
  7077. 4:55:54 Unknown speaker that long shed up and block the
  7078. 4:55:56 Unknown speaker sidewalk. I kindly went up and suggested
  7079. 4:55:58 Unknown speaker could you pull up or back up. People
  7080. 4:56:01 Unknown speaker walked their dogs over to Kier Park.
  7081. 4:56:04 Unknown speaker people walk to the bus. It's an ongoing
  7082. 4:56:05 Unknown speaker thing. He went man on me and was very
  7083. 4:56:08 Unknown speaker rude and I knew I was going to get
  7084. 4:56:11 Unknown speaker nowhere. So, um I'm a little bit
  7085. 4:56:13 Unknown speaker concerned about the um
  7086. 4:56:16 Unknown speaker the hired help. So, I appreciate your
  7087. 4:56:19 Unknown speaker time and Oh my gosh, it's so late. Thank
  7088. 4:56:21 Unknown speaker you. Great. Thank you. I mean, not for
  7089. 4:56:24 Unknown speaker me, but for you.
  7090. 4:56:28 Unknown speaker Okay. Um so, now we are on to um well,
  7091. 4:56:32 Unknown speaker the applicant. So 15 minutes for the
  7092. 4:56:34 Unknown speaker applicant and then we'll go on to um
  7093. 4:56:36 Unknown speaker council questions and discussion.
  7094. 4:56:39 Unknown speaker So yep.
  7095. 4:56:42 Unknown speaker Yes.
  7096. 4:56:43 Unknown speaker Are we accepting all additional evidence
  7097. 4:56:45 Unknown speaker now
  7098. 4:56:46 Unknown speaker or just piece of evidence?
  7099. 4:56:48 Unknown speaker So
  7100. 4:56:51 Unknown speaker Eugene
  7101. 4:56:52 Unknown speaker Yeah, we would we would have to vote.
  7102. 4:56:53 Unknown speaker So, if you'd submitted something for
  7103. 4:56:55 Unknown speaker additional
  7104. 4:56:57 Unknown speaker consideration,
  7105. 4:56:59 Unknown speaker um, we would vote on whether or not to
  7106. 4:57:02 Unknown speaker accept. Go ahead. Um,
  7107. 4:57:06 Unknown speaker mayor and council, it appeared the
  7108. 4:57:08 Unknown speaker appellite introduced a lot of
  7109. 4:57:11 Unknown speaker evidence, additional evidence to augment
  7110. 4:57:14 Unknown speaker the record. It seems like it would be
  7111. 4:57:15 Unknown speaker fair to Yes. allow
  7112. 4:57:18 Unknown speaker the applicant to do the same.
  7113. 4:57:20 Unknown speaker Okay.
  7114. 4:57:21 Unknown speaker Um, do you have um documentation for us
  7115. 4:57:24 Unknown speaker or is it more in your speaking?
  7116. 4:57:27 Unknown speaker It's more in my speaking. I have paper
  7117. 4:57:29 Unknown speaker with me, but I don't I only have it in
  7118. 4:57:31 Unknown speaker case it becomes relevant. This is just
  7119. 4:57:33 Unknown speaker additional.
  7120. 4:57:34 Unknown speaker Um, so as a procedural question, should
  7121. 4:57:36 Unknown speaker we vote to accept additional
  7122. 4:57:39 Unknown speaker documentation from the appellent at this
  7123. 4:57:41 Unknown speaker time? Applicant at this time?
  7124. 4:57:43 Unknown speaker Sure. That would be
  7125. 4:57:44 Unknown speaker okay. So, um, council member Kuffer has
  7126. 4:57:47 Unknown speaker made the motion to accept. Uh seconded
  7127. 4:57:50 Unknown speaker by council member Popkin. Let's go ahead
  7128. 4:57:52 Unknown speaker and vote.
  7129. 4:58:10 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. So
  7130. 4:58:12 Unknown speaker you may
  7131. 4:58:14 Unknown speaker begin.
  7132. 4:58:15 Unknown speaker Okay. Cool. Thank you. Hi. Um, it's been
  7133. 4:58:18 Unknown speaker a long night for everyone, so I will try
  7134. 4:58:20 Unknown speaker my hardest not to take up the full 15
  7135. 4:58:22 Unknown speaker minutes. Um,
  7136. 4:58:26 Unknown speaker uh, so, um, this might all be in your
  7137. 4:58:30 Unknown speaker packet, but I just wanted to review it
  7138. 4:58:31 Unknown speaker quickly. Um, that I believe, um, and I
  7139. 4:58:35 Unknown speaker might be biased, that the commission has
  7140. 4:58:37 Unknown speaker sound reason to approve the variance. Um
  7141. 4:58:40 Unknown speaker there are existing physical constraints
  7142. 4:58:42 Unknown speaker that um necessitate um the building
  7143. 4:58:46 Unknown speaker being built where it is. It seems to be
  7144. 4:58:49 Unknown speaker an improvement because it used to be 2
  7145. 4:58:51 Unknown speaker and 1/2 ft over the property line and
  7146. 4:58:52 Unknown speaker now it'll be zero feet over the property
  7147. 4:58:54 Unknown speaker line. Um, I I will note that my my
  7148. 4:58:58 Unknown speaker neighbor to my west, the homeowner is a
  7149. 4:59:01 Unknown speaker friend of mine and we talk about this
  7150. 4:59:02 Unknown speaker all the time and he has no concerns
  7151. 4:59:04 Unknown speaker about building a garage on his property
  7152. 4:59:07 Unknown speaker and um is in full support of this
  7153. 4:59:09 Unknown speaker project as I think the letters in there.
  7154. 4:59:12 Unknown speaker Um, there's a letter from him in there.
  7155. 4:59:14 Unknown speaker Um, as well as a letter from the other
  7156. 4:59:16 Unknown speaker neighbor it concerns. Um and then the
  7157. 4:59:21 Unknown speaker new build will be in character with the
  7158. 4:59:23 Unknown speaker neighborhood and with the home.
  7159. 4:59:27 Unknown speaker Um yeah, so um I do have the initial bid
  7160. 4:59:33 Unknown speaker which I signed and gave back to the
  7161. 4:59:36 Unknown speaker person doing the work on the garage. Um
  7162. 4:59:38 Unknown speaker that confirms the scope that's in the
  7163. 4:59:40 Unknown speaker permit. Um the plan was to take the hat
  7164. 4:59:44 Unknown speaker off the structure and put a new hat on.
  7165. 4:59:46 Unknown speaker Um, and it didn't go that way. Um,
  7166. 4:59:50 Unknown speaker I'm admittedly not a details person. I'm
  7167. 4:59:54 Unknown speaker not cut out for things like this. Um, I
  7168. 4:59:56 Unknown speaker excel in other areas of my life, but
  7169. 4:59:58 Unknown speaker this is not an area in which I excel.
  7170. 5:00:00 Unknown speaker So, um,
  7171. 5:00:03 Unknown speaker the process did go sideways. And when I
  7172. 5:00:10 Unknown speaker came home to all of the walls being
  7173. 5:00:12 Unknown speaker gone,
  7174. 5:00:14 Unknown speaker um I immediately texted my neighbor to
  7175. 5:00:17 Unknown speaker the south um because I could see her
  7176. 5:00:20 Unknown speaker backyard for the first time and I'm
  7177. 5:00:22 Unknown speaker like, "Oh my god, Mary Joe, I'm so
  7178. 5:00:24 Unknown speaker sorry." And she is in full support of
  7179. 5:00:26 Unknown speaker this project and we have had no qualms
  7180. 5:00:28 Unknown speaker over this project at any point. Um and
  7181. 5:00:33 Unknown speaker so um the plan didn't go the way it was
  7182. 5:00:36 Unknown speaker supposed to go. Um, they took down the
  7183. 5:00:38 Unknown speaker walls. They claimed that there was rot.
  7184. 5:00:40 Unknown speaker I don't entirely agree with the methods.
  7185. 5:00:42 Unknown speaker Obviously, I didn't authorize them to
  7186. 5:00:44 Unknown speaker take down any walls. Um, and that's
  7187. 5:00:48 Unknown speaker that's how that happened. Um, so that
  7188. 5:00:50 Unknown speaker where that leaves the project though is
  7189. 5:00:52 Unknown speaker a reconstruction rather than um or a new
  7190. 5:00:56 Unknown speaker build rather than a refurbishment.
  7191. 5:01:00 Unknown speaker It's [snorts] late. Um
  7192. 5:01:03 Unknown speaker so the reason why I'm asking for a
  7193. 5:01:06 Unknown speaker variance is one there there are already
  7194. 5:01:09 Unknown speaker there's already framing built um in in
  7195. 5:01:12 Unknown speaker in the scenario where the variance is
  7196. 5:01:14 Unknown speaker approved. I move one wall in and I pour
  7197. 5:01:17 Unknown speaker new footing um and a new new foundation
  7198. 5:01:20 Unknown speaker as per building department requirements.
  7199. 5:01:24 Unknown speaker Um, if I were to do a five- foot
  7200. 5:01:27 Unknown speaker setback, it wouldn't because the shed is
  7201. 5:01:30 Unknown speaker now a finished structure as permitted by
  7202. 5:01:33 Unknown speaker this permit, um, it wouldn't leave
  7203. 5:01:36 Unknown speaker enough room for a garage and it would be
  7204. 5:01:38 Unknown speaker offset from the driveway, which is in
  7205. 5:01:40 Unknown speaker line with the curb cut.
  7206. 5:01:43 Unknown speaker Um,
  7207. 5:01:45 Unknown speaker yeah.
  7208. 5:01:47 Unknown speaker Um, I think I already went over this. It
  7209. 5:01:49 Unknown speaker corrects the two plus foot um
  7210. 5:01:52 Unknown speaker encroachment on my neighbor's property.
  7211. 5:01:56 Unknown speaker Um [sighs]
  7212. 5:01:57 Unknown speaker so yes, the garage was there when I
  7213. 5:02:00 Unknown speaker bought the home uh like about 5 and a
  7214. 5:02:02 Unknown speaker half years ago. I never step foot in
  7215. 5:02:06 Unknown speaker there cuz the roof was going like this.
  7216. 5:02:08 Unknown speaker It was bowing and and it wasn't
  7217. 5:02:09 Unknown speaker structurally sound. Um I hadn't opened
  7218. 5:02:12 Unknown speaker the garage door. In fact, when we took
  7219. 5:02:14 Unknown speaker it off for this for this construction,
  7220. 5:02:17 Unknown speaker they had to take it apart piece by piece
  7221. 5:02:19 Unknown speaker because the springs were like this big.
  7222. 5:02:21 Unknown speaker Um, and it was a solid piece of wood,
  7223. 5:02:23 Unknown speaker which was quite impressive, but
  7224. 5:02:25 Unknown speaker difficult to get open. So, it wasn't
  7225. 5:02:27 Unknown speaker usable. Um, and I just kind of accepted
  7226. 5:02:29 Unknown speaker that it was this unusable structure on
  7227. 5:02:31 Unknown speaker the corner of my lot that I would
  7228. 5:02:32 Unknown speaker someday find the means and the time to
  7229. 5:02:36 Unknown speaker take care of. Um,
  7230. 5:02:38 Unknown speaker but my goal is to replace it. It was
  7231. 5:02:41 Unknown speaker very dilapidated looking. It was very
  7232. 5:02:43 Unknown speaker unattractive, as was the shed, which
  7233. 5:02:45 Unknown speaker looks really nice now. Um, and
  7234. 5:02:49 Unknown speaker my goal is to reconstruct it in the same
  7235. 5:02:52 Unknown speaker style as the house. Um, and in similar
  7236. 5:02:57 Unknown speaker style actually to my south neighbor.
  7237. 5:02:59 Unknown speaker It's the same kind of sighting.
  7238. 5:03:03 Unknown speaker Um, [sighs]
  7239. 5:03:05 Unknown speaker so one distinction that I'd really like
  7240. 5:03:07 Unknown speaker to go into quickly is that P the
  7241. 5:03:10 Unknown speaker Planning and Zoning Commission, um, I
  7242. 5:03:13 Unknown speaker hope I'm saying the right words, um,
  7243. 5:03:16 Unknown speaker approved this setback. Um, I didn't get
  7244. 5:03:18 Unknown speaker the survey because it's $2,500 and I
  7245. 5:03:21 Unknown speaker thought I might get a no and I didn't
  7246. 5:03:23 Unknown speaker want to spend $2,500 for a no. Um, at no
  7247. 5:03:27 Unknown speaker point did I say an ILC was a legally
  7248. 5:03:29 Unknown speaker binding con or um document, but it was
  7249. 5:03:32 Unknown speaker what I had available to me. And
  7250. 5:03:36 Unknown speaker if I do get to build this where it is
  7251. 5:03:39 Unknown speaker planned or if I do get to build it at
  7252. 5:03:41 Unknown speaker all, I'm still going to have to go
  7253. 5:03:42 Unknown speaker through the building department and
  7254. 5:03:43 Unknown speaker they're going to require a survey. And
  7255. 5:03:46 Unknown speaker in the spirit of letting them do their
  7256. 5:03:47 Unknown speaker jobs, um, planning and zoning approved
  7257. 5:03:51 Unknown speaker it.
  7258. 5:03:53 Unknown speaker I think that's all I
  7259. 5:03:57 Unknown speaker that's all I have actually. That's the
  7260. 5:03:59 Unknown speaker whole thing.
  7261. 5:03:59 Unknown speaker That's the whole thing. Thank you.
  7262. 5:04:01 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  7263. 5:04:01 Unknown speaker Okay. And then now we're on to um
  7264. 5:04:04 Unknown speaker council questions and discussion. Do we
  7265. 5:04:06 Unknown speaker have any um questions from council
  7266. 5:04:11 Unknown speaker comments or added thoughts?
  7267. 5:04:14 Unknown speaker Okay. Unless I skipped a line, but go
  7268. 5:04:16 Unknown speaker ahead. Yeah, just a as a point of
  7269. 5:04:18 Unknown speaker parliamentary procedure here, if I'm
  7270. 5:04:19 Unknown speaker reading the appeal procedure correctly.
  7271. 5:04:21 Unknown speaker I just want to make sure we're covering
  7272. 5:04:22 Unknown speaker our bases on this. Number four says
  7273. 5:04:24 Unknown speaker council may augment the record, which we
  7274. 5:04:26 Unknown speaker did twice.
  7275. 5:04:27 Unknown speaker We did twice
  7276. 5:04:28 Unknown speaker by considering additional evidence
  7277. 5:04:29 Unknown speaker limited to evidence relevant to the
  7278. 5:04:30 Unknown speaker issues raised in the appeal if
  7279. 5:04:32 Unknown speaker additional evidence is allowed. Staff,
  7280. 5:04:33 Unknown speaker appellent, and applicant are entitled to
  7281. 5:04:36 Unknown speaker I just didn't want us to short change
  7282. 5:04:37 Unknown speaker anyone.
  7283. 5:04:38 Unknown speaker Okay. Um,
  7284. 5:04:39 Unknown speaker thanks, mayor.
  7285. 5:04:40 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's fine. Do we have a
  7286. 5:04:42 Unknown speaker rebuttal? I don't think you you you did
  7287. 5:04:45 Unknown speaker not present anything new and you had the
  7288. 5:04:48 Unknown speaker opportunity to did you want to because
  7289. 5:04:51 Unknown speaker you have the document.
  7290. 5:04:54 Unknown speaker Did you want to comment on that piece?
  7291. 5:05:05 Unknown speaker I
  7292. 5:05:06 Unknown speaker and you do have time on your clock. So,
  7293. 5:05:07 Unknown speaker if you wanted to um I
  7294. 5:05:11 Unknown speaker I don't um
  7295. 5:05:13 Unknown speaker Okay,
  7296. 5:05:14 Unknown speaker this is and and I hate to come all the
  7297. 5:05:16 Unknown speaker way up to the microphone to to say I
  7298. 5:05:18 Unknown speaker don't um but
  7299. 5:05:21 Unknown speaker I don't know it,
  7300. 5:05:26 Unknown speaker if I may, on a personal note, I don't
  7301. 5:05:28 Unknown speaker like having my property surveyed and
  7302. 5:05:30 Unknown speaker photographed so so much. It's creepy
  7303. 5:05:33 Unknown speaker and um makes me feel a little unsafe.
  7304. 5:05:36 Unknown speaker That's really all I have to say about
  7305. 5:05:37 Unknown speaker all these photos.
  7306. 5:05:38 Unknown speaker Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Um and
  7307. 5:05:41 Unknown speaker then
  7308. 5:05:44 Unknown speaker so the appellant would do you have any
  7309. 5:05:46 Unknown speaker rebuttal or
  7310. 5:05:49 Unknown speaker to what was stated.
  7311. 5:05:56 Unknown speaker Not another 15 minutes. No, it's my
  7312. 5:05:58 Unknown speaker discretion. So [laughter]
  7313. 5:05:59 Unknown speaker I guess um my main question is is this
  7314. 5:06:03 Unknown speaker standard procedure that um that many
  7315. 5:06:07 Unknown speaker graces were allowed and will be allowed
  7316. 5:06:09 Unknown speaker in the future to um developers and other
  7317. 5:06:15 Unknown speaker um homeowners within the historic east
  7318. 5:06:18 Unknown speaker side neighborhood. I think here's the
  7319. 5:06:20 Unknown speaker very awkward thing. The awkward thing is
  7320. 5:06:23 Unknown speaker we're applying today's
  7321. 5:06:26 Unknown speaker planning standards
  7322. 5:06:28 Unknown speaker on the oldest neighborhood and that
  7323. 5:06:30 Unknown speaker needs to be revisited. It there, you
  7324. 5:06:34 Unknown speaker know, our zoning changed three times in
  7325. 5:06:37 Unknown speaker the 49 years I've lived here. It's
  7326. 5:06:41 Unknown speaker crazy. So, we have nooks and crannies
  7327. 5:06:45 Unknown speaker and exceptions. I think in a historic
  7328. 5:06:50 Unknown speaker area there needs to be a different set
  7329. 5:06:52 Unknown speaker of rules than today's standards because
  7330. 5:06:55 Unknown speaker it it makes it awkward. It's
  7331. 5:06:57 Unknown speaker timeconsuming and it can be debated
  7332. 5:06:59 Unknown speaker either way. And if there is an empathy
  7333. 5:07:02 Unknown speaker scale out there somehow in this
  7334. 5:07:05 Unknown speaker decision-making process, I'd like to
  7335. 5:07:08 Unknown speaker know it. And where does cancer rank? I
  7336. 5:07:11 Unknown speaker mean, let's set a standard. It sounds
  7337. 5:07:13 Unknown speaker like graces and standards were a part of
  7338. 5:07:16 Unknown speaker the consideration for these changes and
  7339. 5:07:20 Unknown speaker um is that going to be applicable to all
  7340. 5:07:22 Unknown speaker parties in the future?
  7341. 5:07:23 Unknown speaker Okay, thank you. Yes, thank you. Um
  7342. 5:07:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Do um and then I I do have a
  7343. 5:07:30 Unknown speaker question. So, as we move on to council
  7344. 5:07:32 Unknown speaker discussion and thank you, I forgot the
  7345. 5:07:34 Unknown speaker little word rebuttal [laughter] there.
  7346. 5:07:37 Unknown speaker So, um, when we did the historic
  7347. 5:07:40 Unknown speaker overlay, what
  7348. 5:07:43 Unknown speaker how did that like what what does that do
  7349. 5:07:46 Unknown speaker as far as providing any kind of
  7350. 5:07:49 Unknown speaker protections or considerations for?
  7351. 5:07:52 Unknown speaker So, there is not currently a
  7352. 5:07:54 Unknown speaker we didn't we not
  7353. 5:07:55 Unknown speaker No, there is not currently a overlay in
  7354. 5:08:00 Unknown speaker in in
  7355. 5:08:00 Unknown speaker enforced. Okay.
  7356. 5:08:01 Unknown speaker Right. And
  7357. 5:08:02 Unknown speaker we had a discussion on that.
  7358. 5:08:04 Unknown speaker Right. and that well so it was um it had
  7359. 5:08:07 Unknown speaker to do with fee wavers and some other
  7360. 5:08:10 Unknown speaker considerations. there has not been any
  7361. 5:08:11 Unknown speaker forward movement from the community
  7362. 5:08:13 Unknown speaker because that is a
  7363. 5:08:14 Unknown speaker oh that's okay
  7364. 5:08:16 Unknown speaker communitydriven um effort but that would
  7365. 5:08:19 Unknown speaker also you know that's the type of thing
  7366. 5:08:20 Unknown speaker that recognizes that um historic
  7367. 5:08:23 Unknown speaker neighborhoods develop differently than
  7368. 5:08:24 Unknown speaker modern standards um and part of the
  7369. 5:08:28 Unknown speaker variance process and you the v there the
  7370. 5:08:30 Unknown speaker variance process is there to
  7371. 5:08:33 Unknown speaker recognize that there are differences in
  7372. 5:08:35 Unknown speaker throughout the city that's pretty much
  7373. 5:08:37 Unknown speaker what it comes down to
  7374. 5:08:38 Unknown speaker what it comes down to okay
  7375. 5:08:39 Unknown speaker but an overlay hopefully avoid the need
  7376. 5:08:42 Unknown speaker to do variances at some point, but those
  7377. 5:08:44 Unknown speaker details are still to be determined.
  7378. 5:08:46 Unknown speaker Okay, that's right. Yeah, thank you very
  7379. 5:08:49 Unknown speaker much for that recollection.
  7380. 5:08:51 Unknown speaker Um, do we have any questions from
  7381. 5:08:54 Unknown speaker council or comments on this part? And as
  7382. 5:08:57 Unknown speaker we go into the questions, I mean, the
  7383. 5:09:00 Unknown speaker questions are pretty much concrete, you
  7384. 5:09:03 Unknown speaker know, as far as whether or not we felt
  7385. 5:09:05 Unknown speaker planning and zoning was an error in any
  7386. 5:09:08 Unknown speaker of their decision-making process um,
  7387. 5:09:10 Unknown speaker based on the evidence proposed. Um,
  7388. 5:09:13 Unknown speaker Council Member Kulkoffer,
  7389. 5:09:15 Unknown speaker I get to go first. Um, I'm curious about
  7390. 5:09:18 Unknown speaker the contractor. Is he a local contractor
  7391. 5:09:20 Unknown speaker or is it a contractor that is from
  7392. 5:09:24 Unknown speaker out of town?
  7393. 5:09:31 Unknown speaker He lives in Lafayette, I believe.
  7394. 5:09:33 Unknown speaker Gotcha. And then
  7395. 5:09:36 Unknown speaker so not familiar with with Longmont. Um,
  7396. 5:09:39 Unknown speaker so when this happened, um, what did you
  7397. 5:09:42 Unknown speaker do to let the city know that the
  7398. 5:09:45 Unknown speaker contractor went above and beyond what
  7399. 5:09:47 Unknown speaker you were expecting and what we were
  7400. 5:09:50 Unknown speaker expecting?
  7401. 5:09:50 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's a really good question. Um,
  7402. 5:09:53 Unknown speaker uh, and I'm going to, for the sake of,
  7403. 5:09:56 Unknown speaker uh, my own
  7404. 5:09:58 Unknown speaker [gasps] morality, I'm just going to be
  7405. 5:10:00 Unknown speaker honest. It happened and I kind of forgot
  7406. 5:10:02 Unknown speaker to loop in the city because I've never
  7407. 5:10:04 Unknown speaker done a project like this. and they were
  7408. 5:10:06 Unknown speaker getting the walls back up and that was
  7409. 5:10:07 Unknown speaker an oversight on my part. Um so um I was
  7410. 5:10:12 Unknown speaker out of my element and uh I don't think
  7411. 5:10:16 Unknown speaker I'm going to be using that contractor
  7412. 5:10:18 Unknown speaker moving forward. Um and so
  7413. 5:10:22 Unknown speaker um and that is a at a personal cost to
  7414. 5:10:25 Unknown speaker me because when we stopped the project I
  7415. 5:10:27 Unknown speaker had to kind of divvy it up and I didn't
  7416. 5:10:29 Unknown speaker negotiate as aggressively as I ought to
  7417. 5:10:31 Unknown speaker have. Um,
  7418. 5:10:33 Unknown speaker so
  7419. 5:10:36 Unknown speaker I forgot your question. I'm so sorry. I
  7420. 5:10:38 Unknown speaker I didn't involve the city. Um, since
  7421. 5:10:40 Unknown speaker then, um, I've been heavily involved
  7422. 5:10:44 Unknown speaker with the city. Um, and been speaking to
  7423. 5:10:46 Unknown speaker them a lot about the project and I've
  7424. 5:10:49 Unknown speaker been really appreciative of
  7425. 5:10:52 Unknown speaker how thorough they've been and how
  7426. 5:10:54 Unknown speaker responsive they've been. Um, it's been a
  7427. 5:10:56 Unknown speaker really pleasant experience actually.
  7428. 5:10:59 Unknown speaker Great. And I have a question for staff.
  7429. 5:11:00 Unknown speaker M
  7430. 5:11:01 Unknown speaker I know this is not the first time that a
  7431. 5:11:03 Unknown speaker contractor goes above and beyond what
  7432. 5:11:04 Unknown speaker they're supposed to do and there's
  7433. 5:11:06 Unknown speaker whoopsies. Um what what is the process
  7434. 5:11:09 Unknown speaker if a contractor goes outside of the
  7435. 5:11:11 Unknown speaker scope and let's say you know demolishes
  7436. 5:11:13 Unknown speaker a wall that they're not supposed to and
  7437. 5:11:15 Unknown speaker then um you know messes with this
  7438. 5:11:17 Unknown speaker setback.
  7439. 5:11:20 Unknown speaker Good evening council. Uh Taran Stewart,
  7440. 5:11:22 Unknown speaker assistant chief building official. If a
  7441. 5:11:24 Unknown speaker contractor was to go beyond the scope of
  7442. 5:11:26 Unknown speaker the approved drawings, we would uh issue
  7443. 5:11:29 Unknown speaker a fine and then ask for uh revised
  7444. 5:11:32 Unknown speaker drawings and then re-review them and
  7445. 5:11:33 Unknown speaker approve as we see fit.
  7446. 5:11:35 Unknown speaker And was this contractor served a fine?
  7447. 5:11:38 Unknown speaker Certified.
  7448. 5:11:39 Unknown speaker Served a fine.
  7449. 5:11:41 Unknown speaker Served a fine. No.
  7450. 5:11:42 Unknown speaker No. Okay. [cough]
  7451. 5:11:44 Unknown speaker Yeah. Because I I think you know it
  7452. 5:11:46 Unknown speaker would have had to go back to the city
  7453. 5:11:47 Unknown speaker like to report it to the city. Is that
  7454. 5:11:49 Unknown speaker correct?
  7455. 5:11:50 Unknown speaker What the process is? Okay. Yes.
  7456. 5:11:51 Unknown speaker So I'm learning as well. So, um, Council
  7457. 5:11:55 Unknown speaker Member Marcen,
  7458. 5:11:56 Unknown speaker thank you, Mayor. Um, so just for
  7459. 5:11:58 Unknown speaker transparency, I did see this come in
  7460. 5:11:59 Unknown speaker front of historic preservation when the
  7461. 5:12:01 Unknown speaker certificate of of appropriateness, uh,
  7462. 5:12:03 Unknown speaker was approved on the original garage. So,
  7463. 5:12:05 Unknown speaker I'm somewhat familiar with the the
  7464. 5:12:07 Unknown speaker background here, but on the quasi
  7465. 5:12:09 Unknown speaker judicial side, looking specifically at
  7466. 5:12:10 Unknown speaker the review criteria for the decision in
  7467. 5:12:12 Unknown speaker front of us, I want to drill down a
  7468. 5:12:14 Unknown speaker little bit on what PNZ considered, and
  7469. 5:12:16 Unknown speaker this is probably a question for staff on
  7470. 5:12:18 Unknown speaker the self-imposed hardship criterion. Um,
  7471. 5:12:21 Unknown speaker record says that the contract and we
  7472. 5:12:23 Unknown speaker have the the permit obviously in the
  7473. 5:12:25 Unknown speaker drawing that the contract exceeded the
  7474. 5:12:27 Unknown speaker agreed scope and that the demolished
  7475. 5:12:29 Unknown speaker garage and demolished the garage without
  7476. 5:12:31 Unknown speaker the owner's consent that but but other
  7477. 5:12:33 Unknown speaker than the the the property owner, Miss
  7478. 5:12:35 Unknown speaker Wolf Wolf, correct? Miss Wolf's
  7479. 5:12:37 Unknown speaker testimony. Um, what evidence was before
  7480. 5:12:40 Unknown speaker PNZ, was there anything presented in
  7481. 5:12:42 Unknown speaker their packet establishing what the
  7482. 5:12:44 Unknown speaker contractor was actually, you know,
  7483. 5:12:47 Unknown speaker allowed or or hired to do? any
  7484. 5:12:49 Unknown speaker communications between the property
  7485. 5:12:51 Unknown speaker owner and the contractor?
  7486. 5:12:53 Unknown speaker Um, anything beyond the beyond the
  7487. 5:12:55 Unknown speaker scope? Because all that I see here is
  7488. 5:12:57 Unknown speaker the original permit drawing and then
  7489. 5:12:59 Unknown speaker that that that justified the scope. But
  7490. 5:13:01 Unknown speaker the reason I ask is because going from
  7491. 5:13:03 Unknown speaker replacing a roof to demolishing a full
  7492. 5:13:05 Unknown speaker structure seems like pretty far beyond
  7493. 5:13:08 Unknown speaker the standard deviation um without
  7494. 5:13:10 Unknown speaker approval of the property owner. So I I'm
  7495. 5:13:12 Unknown speaker just if if the finding is the hardship
  7496. 5:13:14 Unknown speaker was not imposed that PNC made, I'm
  7497. 5:13:16 Unknown speaker curious what evidence that they had to
  7498. 5:13:17 Unknown speaker to to come to that determination.
  7499. 5:13:20 Unknown speaker Um sure. So the evidence um was
  7500. 5:13:23 Unknown speaker multi-layered. Um we did have um Mr.
  7501. 5:13:26 Unknown speaker Stewart who was on hand to discuss the
  7502. 5:13:28 Unknown speaker building permit questions um and what
  7503. 5:13:31 Unknown speaker the scope was from staff's perspective
  7504. 5:13:34 Unknown speaker as the historic preservation staff
  7505. 5:13:36 Unknown speaker liaison. I had been working with um Miss
  7506. 5:13:38 Unknown speaker Wolf going back to um September of last
  7507. 5:13:42 Unknown speaker year and then February. So originally
  7508. 5:13:46 Unknown speaker she you know did seek a certificate of
  7509. 5:13:49 Unknown speaker appropriateness to see about demolishing
  7510. 5:13:50 Unknown speaker the garage because she thought that was
  7511. 5:13:52 Unknown speaker the only option.
  7512. 5:13:53 Unknown speaker Later found you then was found out or
  7513. 5:13:55 Unknown speaker was advised by this contractor that they
  7514. 5:13:58 Unknown speaker could rebuild the roof structure and
  7515. 5:13:59 Unknown speaker save the walls and that would be a
  7516. 5:14:01 Unknown speaker simpler process. So the per the
  7517. 5:14:04 Unknown speaker paperwork for the de demolition was
  7518. 5:14:06 Unknown speaker withdrawn. We did a new review looking
  7519. 5:14:08 Unknown speaker at the roof reconstruction. Um so that
  7520. 5:14:12 Unknown speaker was moving forward. A lot of it was just
  7521. 5:14:14 Unknown speaker the intent of you know Miss Wolf was
  7522. 5:14:16 Unknown speaker working early and often with staff at
  7523. 5:14:18 Unknown speaker least on the historic preservation side
  7524. 5:14:20 Unknown speaker to ensure that um the approach was
  7525. 5:14:23 Unknown speaker appropriate. So, um the testimony was
  7526. 5:14:27 Unknown speaker from Miss Wolf as well as um working
  7527. 5:14:29 Unknown speaker with um the building staff as well
  7528. 5:14:31 Unknown speaker because it really from the building it
  7529. 5:14:33 Unknown speaker once it left the historic preservation
  7530. 5:14:36 Unknown speaker side, it went into the building permit
  7531. 5:14:37 Unknown speaker side. And so that's kind of where things
  7532. 5:14:39 Unknown speaker went sideways.
  7533. 5:14:41 Unknown speaker So she was working with the historic
  7534. 5:14:42 Unknown speaker preservation staff on the garage
  7535. 5:14:44 Unknown speaker structure generally. But we we just
  7536. 5:14:46 Unknown speaker heard as well that when the actual
  7537. 5:14:47 Unknown speaker structure was, if I'm following
  7538. 5:14:48 Unknown speaker correctly, that when the structure was
  7539. 5:14:50 Unknown speaker demolished, there wasn't the
  7540. 5:14:51 Unknown speaker communication necessarily or or that
  7541. 5:14:54 Unknown speaker that she didn't necessarily follow up as
  7542. 5:14:55 Unknown speaker quickly once she found once the garage
  7543. 5:14:57 Unknown speaker structure would had been demolished. Am
  7544. 5:14:59 Unknown speaker I following that correctly?
  7545. 5:15:00 Unknown speaker That sounds correct. Um I know I was
  7546. 5:15:02 Unknown speaker contacted um by members of the community
  7547. 5:15:05 Unknown speaker when um the demolition started
  7548. 5:15:07 Unknown speaker happening. However, I was I was out of
  7549. 5:15:08 Unknown speaker the office that week um because my
  7550. 5:15:10 Unknown speaker daughter was graduating from high
  7551. 5:15:11 Unknown speaker school. Um and so I was unable to
  7552. 5:15:14 Unknown speaker respond to those those inquiries and
  7553. 5:15:16 Unknown speaker questions. Um but I do know that
  7554. 5:15:18 Unknown speaker community members did go directly to the
  7555. 5:15:20 Unknown speaker building department um that week as
  7556. 5:15:22 Unknown speaker well.
  7557. 5:15:23 Unknown speaker Okay. Um thank you,
  7558. 5:15:30 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin.
  7559. 5:15:33 Unknown speaker Uh thank you, Mayor. Um
  7560. 5:15:35 Unknown speaker obviously I serve as the planning and
  7561. 5:15:37 Unknown speaker zoning commission leazison and and heard
  7562. 5:15:39 Unknown speaker heard this discussion before already as
  7563. 5:15:42 Unknown speaker well. Um obviously our role here is just
  7564. 5:15:44 Unknown speaker to decide whether the planning and
  7565. 5:15:46 Unknown speaker zoning commission eroded in its
  7566. 5:15:47 Unknown speaker decision. Um to look the first thing I
  7567. 5:15:51 Unknown speaker want to say is I I think there's
  7568. 5:15:53 Unknown speaker something we can all agree on in this
  7569. 5:15:55 Unknown speaker room is that no one whether you're the
  7570. 5:15:56 Unknown speaker appellant, the applicant, staff or city
  7571. 5:16:00 Unknown speaker this isn't a role we relish. This isn't
  7572. 5:16:01 Unknown speaker something we enjoy. this isn't why we
  7573. 5:16:03 Unknown speaker want to where we want to be on a
  7574. 5:16:04 Unknown speaker Wednesday morning. Um and so I'm sorry,
  7575. 5:16:07 Unknown speaker thank you and all of that. Um
  7576. 5:16:09 Unknown speaker regardless, this isn't a role or
  7577. 5:16:11 Unknown speaker similarly, this isn't a role that
  7578. 5:16:12 Unknown speaker council particularly relishes or enjoys.
  7579. 5:16:15 Unknown speaker It's something that we are obligated to
  7580. 5:16:17 Unknown speaker fulfill um legally. Um and so that is
  7581. 5:16:20 Unknown speaker our role tonight. Um [clears throat]
  7582. 5:16:22 Unknown speaker okay.
  7583. 5:16:23 Unknown speaker Today, this morning.
  7584. 5:16:25 Unknown speaker Yes. Okay.
  7585. 5:16:25 Unknown speaker And I'm two hours ahead in my body. Um
  7586. 5:16:28 Unknown speaker okay. So
  7587. 5:16:31 Unknown speaker the I I want to respond to council
  7588. 5:16:33 Unknown speaker member Mars's question about kind of PNZ
  7589. 5:16:36 Unknown speaker a little bit there. Um my recollection
  7590. 5:16:39 Unknown speaker as a liazison though I will not quote
  7591. 5:16:41 Unknown speaker directly because I don't remember the
  7592. 5:16:42 Unknown speaker exact moments. Um council did not uh the
  7593. 5:16:44 Unknown speaker commission did not spend a significant
  7594. 5:16:46 Unknown speaker amount of time discussing the
  7595. 5:16:47 Unknown speaker self-imposed hardship aspect of this. Um
  7596. 5:16:49 Unknown speaker they spent more time discussing the
  7597. 5:16:51 Unknown speaker least deviation possible and some of the
  7598. 5:16:54 Unknown speaker fire code um kind of considerations to
  7599. 5:16:56 Unknown speaker my to the best of my recollection. Um
  7600. 5:16:58 Unknown speaker and I just wanted to share that
  7601. 5:16:59 Unknown speaker transparently based on my observations
  7602. 5:17:02 Unknown speaker and experience there. Um
  7603. 5:17:05 Unknown speaker the
  7604. 5:17:08 Unknown speaker obviously so so we when when thinking
  7605. 5:17:11 Unknown speaker about
  7606. 5:17:15 Unknown speaker what a variance is granted for
  7607. 5:17:19 Unknown speaker I look at both the
  7608. 5:17:21 Unknown speaker requirements under where was that? Oh my
  7609. 5:17:24 Unknown speaker gosh so many.
  7610. 5:17:27 Unknown speaker I look at the requirements in our code
  7611. 5:17:28 Unknown speaker in terms of uh when a variance can be
  7612. 5:17:31 Unknown speaker considered and then I also think about
  7613. 5:17:32 Unknown speaker the implications of that and
  7614. 5:17:37 Unknown speaker the the implications of a self like when
  7615. 5:17:39 Unknown speaker if if we were to determine that there
  7616. 5:17:41 Unknown speaker was a self-imposed hardship then I would
  7617. 5:17:44 Unknown speaker likely say that PNZ erdred in its
  7618. 5:17:46 Unknown speaker decision um by not considering that um
  7619. 5:17:49 Unknown speaker if we were to determine that and
  7620. 5:17:52 Unknown speaker the implication I think more broadly is
  7621. 5:17:55 Unknown speaker if we determine that the contract
  7622. 5:17:56 Unknown speaker contractor is not the the property owner
  7623. 5:18:00 Unknown speaker or the permit puller is not responsible
  7624. 5:18:02 Unknown speaker for the contractor's actions then that
  7625. 5:18:04 Unknown speaker sets a dangerous precedent I think for
  7626. 5:18:06 Unknown speaker any other structure or work that is
  7627. 5:18:08 Unknown speaker conducted in the city um and so I think
  7628. 5:18:12 Unknown speaker there's um numerous things for us to
  7629. 5:18:15 Unknown speaker keep in mind as we go through this I
  7630. 5:18:17 Unknown speaker think PNZ did discuss the least
  7631. 5:18:20 Unknown speaker deviation possible
  7632. 5:18:22 Unknown speaker um fairly intentionally and they were
  7633. 5:18:24 Unknown speaker considering kind of what variance from a
  7634. 5:18:26 Unknown speaker sheer number of feet was necessary or or
  7635. 5:18:29 Unknown speaker uh possible in that space. Um and I do
  7636. 5:18:33 Unknown speaker have one question for staff on this. Um
  7637. 5:18:36 Unknown speaker and maybe it wasn't staff's
  7638. 5:18:37 Unknown speaker determination here, but um and so please
  7639. 5:18:40 Unknown speaker correct me if I'm wrong, but did was
  7640. 5:18:42 Unknown speaker staff the determining factor on whether
  7641. 5:18:45 Unknown speaker zero feet was the appropriate
  7642. 5:18:49 Unknown speaker um or the least deviation possible or
  7643. 5:18:51 Unknown speaker was that the commission's sole
  7644. 5:18:52 Unknown speaker independent discretion?
  7645. 5:18:55 Unknown speaker So that was the request and um you know
  7646. 5:18:58 Unknown speaker staff did support that request for a few
  7647. 5:19:00 Unknown speaker reasons. Um so the original structure
  7648. 5:19:02 Unknown speaker was um well over that southern property
  7649. 5:19:05 Unknown speaker line um and was quite close was well
  7650. 5:19:09 Unknown speaker over the western property line and was
  7651. 5:19:11 Unknown speaker quite close to the southern property
  7652. 5:19:13 Unknown speaker line. Um, additionally, there's a shed
  7653. 5:19:16 Unknown speaker immediately to the east of that former
  7654. 5:19:17 Unknown speaker garage location that really precluded
  7655. 5:19:20 Unknown speaker that functional garage being closer than
  7656. 5:19:22 Unknown speaker the required setback. So, the zero foot
  7657. 5:19:25 Unknown speaker setback basically ensures that there
  7658. 5:19:27 Unknown speaker would be ample space to accommodate um
  7659. 5:19:30 Unknown speaker to a have a functional singlecar garage,
  7660. 5:19:34 Unknown speaker but also to accommodate projections that
  7661. 5:19:36 Unknown speaker are typical for structures such as roof
  7662. 5:19:38 Unknown speaker eaves um on on the property. So it was
  7663. 5:19:41 Unknown speaker really looking at, you know,
  7664. 5:19:44 Unknown speaker understanding you're not going to have a
  7665. 5:19:45 Unknown speaker wall on the property line. It's really
  7666. 5:19:47 Unknown speaker having that, you know, un, you know,
  7667. 5:19:49 Unknown speaker roof eaves and such. So making sure
  7668. 5:19:51 Unknown speaker those aren't encroaching up the property
  7669. 5:19:52 Unknown speaker lines as well. So that's really a big
  7670. 5:19:54 Unknown speaker reason why, um, zero feet would be
  7671. 5:19:57 Unknown speaker considered. Um the other thing just
  7672. 5:19:59 Unknown speaker based on research in the in historic
  7673. 5:20:01 Unknown speaker east side, you know, doing reviews of
  7674. 5:20:04 Unknown speaker the aerials, looking at the block that
  7675. 5:20:06 Unknown speaker this property is on, it's a really
  7676. 5:20:08 Unknown speaker common really common um development
  7677. 5:20:11 Unknown speaker pattern in this neighborhood and within
  7678. 5:20:13 Unknown speaker other older neighborhoods that you do
  7679. 5:20:14 Unknown speaker have accessory structures that are right
  7680. 5:20:18 Unknown speaker on the property line and in many cases
  7681. 5:20:20 Unknown speaker over the property line. Um, so it wasn't
  7682. 5:20:24 Unknown speaker some it wasn't a it's not a development
  7683. 5:20:26 Unknown speaker pattern that's inconsistent with what
  7684. 5:20:28 Unknown speaker you see in the neighborhood. Um, but
  7685. 5:20:30 Unknown speaker ultimately that zero foot would would
  7686. 5:20:32 Unknown speaker enable the projections to be
  7687. 5:20:33 Unknown speaker accommodated while also having a
  7688. 5:20:35 Unknown speaker functional space.
  7689. 5:20:38 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um
  7690. 5:20:41 Unknown speaker and then Jennifer or maybe Jeremy or
  7691. 5:20:44 Unknown speaker Eugene just a question as we think about
  7692. 5:20:47 Unknown speaker the self-imposed hardship aspect of this
  7693. 5:20:49 Unknown speaker um in which the code is quite clear in
  7694. 5:20:52 Unknown speaker saying a variance shall not be granted
  7695. 5:20:55 Unknown speaker for a self-imposed hardship. Um, when we
  7696. 5:20:58 Unknown speaker consider that language and kind of the
  7697. 5:21:00 Unknown speaker other types of situations we see in the
  7698. 5:21:02 Unknown speaker city long before I was in this seat or
  7699. 5:21:05 Unknown speaker in PNZ,
  7700. 5:21:08 Unknown speaker would our are erroneous demolitions
  7701. 5:21:11 Unknown speaker by a contractor or a third party
  7702. 5:21:15 Unknown speaker uh ever not considered a self-imposed
  7703. 5:21:17 Unknown speaker hardship?
  7704. 5:21:26 Unknown speaker Mayor and Council, uh, Eugene May, City
  7705. 5:21:29 Unknown speaker Attorney.
  7706. 5:21:36 Unknown speaker Yeah, the brain's not working as
  7707. 5:21:38 Unknown speaker efficiently as it used to.
  7708. 5:21:39 Unknown speaker Take a moment.
  7709. 5:21:40 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  7710. 5:21:40 Unknown speaker but I would say that's an application of
  7711. 5:21:43 Unknown speaker the facts to the criteria that counsels
  7712. 5:21:47 Unknown speaker the decision maker. I mean, it's a punt,
  7713. 5:21:49 Unknown speaker but I think that's the [clears throat]
  7714. 5:21:52 Unknown speaker structure of the code and the appeals.
  7715. 5:21:55 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Would you do me a favor and
  7716. 5:21:57 Unknown speaker show the um document of what or the
  7717. 5:22:00 Unknown speaker slide that has what we're going to be
  7718. 5:22:02 Unknown speaker with the questions just so we have it
  7719. 5:22:04 Unknown speaker out and then Yeah, just
  7720. 5:22:08 Unknown speaker perfect. Um, council member Brito,
  7721. 5:22:12 Unknown speaker uh, just a quick question regarding the
  7722. 5:22:14 Unknown speaker fee that's charged to the contractor. Is
  7723. 5:22:17 Unknown speaker that charged to the contractor because
  7724. 5:22:18 Unknown speaker they're applying for the permit or is it
  7725. 5:22:21 Unknown speaker charged to the contractor who didn't
  7726. 5:22:24 Unknown speaker apply to for the permit? Like is it the
  7727. 5:22:26 Unknown speaker permit applicant or the contractor?
  7728. 5:22:31 Unknown speaker The fee that was specifically referenced
  7729. 5:22:33 Unknown speaker was regarding a alteration to the scope
  7730. 5:22:35 Unknown speaker of work that was submitted to the permit
  7731. 5:22:37 Unknown speaker and that would be an $80 fee. So, there
  7732. 5:22:40 Unknown speaker is a building permit fee of course that
  7733. 5:22:42 Unknown speaker gets uh paid once a building permit is
  7734. 5:22:44 Unknown speaker pulled, but my understanding of the
  7735. 5:22:46 Unknown speaker question was a violation of increased
  7736. 5:22:48 Unknown speaker scope of work on a specific application
  7737. 5:22:51 Unknown speaker and that would be $80.
  7738. 5:22:52 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  7739. 5:22:53 Unknown speaker Okay. And is that usually charged to the
  7740. 5:22:55 Unknown speaker applicant or the developer?
  7741. 5:22:57 Unknown speaker The permit
  7742. 5:22:57 Unknown speaker or not the de but the permit holder?
  7743. 5:22:59 Unknown speaker Correct. Okay. So, it would have been
  7744. 5:23:00 Unknown speaker the
  7745. 5:23:02 Unknown speaker um the applicant I think
  7746. 5:23:05 Unknown speaker correct. Yeah. And then the permit would
  7747. 5:23:08 Unknown speaker not be final out until that fee was
  7748. 5:23:09 Unknown speaker paid.
  7749. 5:23:11 Unknown speaker Okay.
  7750. 5:23:12 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah. I you know both we just went
  7751. 5:23:16 Unknown speaker through one of these and
  7752. 5:23:22 Unknown speaker the
  7753. 5:23:25 Unknown speaker you know kind of in the heart of I think
  7754. 5:23:27 Unknown speaker what council member Popkin was saying is
  7755. 5:23:29 Unknown speaker like really making sure that we're being
  7756. 5:23:31 Unknown speaker consistent in our decision- making
  7757. 5:23:32 Unknown speaker processes here.
  7758. 5:23:34 Unknown speaker um
  7759. 5:23:37 Unknown speaker as much as we can. Um you know, there
  7760. 5:23:39 Unknown speaker was a previous
  7761. 5:23:41 Unknown speaker um case that we oversaw where the person
  7762. 5:23:45 Unknown speaker had to go back and redo the work. Um,
  7763. 5:23:49 Unknown speaker and so just, you know, I really want to
  7764. 5:23:51 Unknown speaker be consistent in our decision-m
  7765. 5:23:53 Unknown speaker processes so that residents
  7766. 5:23:56 Unknown speaker in the city feel like we're going by,
  7767. 5:24:00 Unknown speaker you know, the rules that we set forth
  7768. 5:24:02 Unknown speaker and and what code says and what the
  7769. 5:24:05 Unknown speaker processes and procedures are. And so I
  7770. 5:24:07 Unknown speaker do feel like um
  7771. 5:24:12 Unknown speaker to Council Member Mars's point,
  7772. 5:24:17 Unknown speaker the amount of work that was done does go
  7773. 5:24:20 Unknown speaker beyond kind of a typical,
  7774. 5:24:25 Unknown speaker you know, a mistake. Um, my husband's a
  7775. 5:24:29 Unknown speaker handyman and he builds many things and I
  7776. 5:24:33 Unknown speaker could never see him going beyond what he
  7777. 5:24:36 Unknown speaker was supposed to do on accident.
  7778. 5:24:39 Unknown speaker um
  7779. 5:24:41 Unknown speaker given that the original intent of the
  7780. 5:24:45 Unknown speaker application was to demolish,
  7781. 5:24:48 Unknown speaker you know, makes me even more concerned
  7782. 5:24:50 Unknown speaker that this wasn't emphasized
  7783. 5:24:53 Unknown speaker um and reiterated to the contractor
  7784. 5:24:57 Unknown speaker that, you know, that this is a historic
  7785. 5:25:00 Unknown speaker property that should not be altered
  7786. 5:25:02 Unknown speaker beyond what was allowed.
  7787. 5:25:07 Unknown speaker So, I'm just having a little bit of a
  7788. 5:25:08 Unknown speaker hard time with that right now. Um, but I
  7789. 5:25:11 Unknown speaker do get like
  7790. 5:25:14 Unknown speaker the applicant's testimony and
  7791. 5:25:18 Unknown speaker you know, um,
  7792. 5:25:22 Unknown speaker that what that process looked like and
  7793. 5:25:24 Unknown speaker how confusing it can be. Um, so just
  7794. 5:25:28 Unknown speaker wanted to offer my opinion there. Yeah,
  7795. 5:25:31 Unknown speaker mayor, you're looking at
  7796. 5:25:31 Unknown speaker it could be I could be late because I'm
  7797. 5:25:34 Unknown speaker trying to like make make meaning and um
  7798. 5:25:37 Unknown speaker you know and I also don't want to make
  7799. 5:25:40 Unknown speaker assumptions of intent. So, you know, I
  7800. 5:25:43 Unknown speaker do want to be careful with that we're
  7801. 5:25:44 Unknown speaker not making assumptions based on intent.
  7802. 5:25:47 Unknown speaker And was the evidence provided, you know,
  7803. 5:25:51 Unknown speaker um
  7804. 5:25:52 Unknown speaker did it
  7805. 5:25:54 Unknown speaker um
  7806. 5:25:56 Unknown speaker adequately um without a reasonable
  7807. 5:25:59 Unknown speaker doubt? without her. Yeah. So, I'm sorry
  7808. 5:26:01 Unknown speaker I'm getting really tired. [laughter]
  7809. 5:26:03 Unknown speaker Council member Marcy, maybe you can
  7810. 5:26:05 Unknown speaker help.
  7811. 5:26:05 Unknown speaker Yeah, I appreciate this. Um,
  7812. 5:26:08 Unknown speaker so my concern specifically is criteria
  7813. 5:26:10 Unknown speaker 2. Um, was PNZ's decision to approve the
  7814. 5:26:13 Unknown speaker variance plainly an error because the
  7815. 5:26:15 Unknown speaker decision was plainly inconsistent with
  7816. 5:26:16 Unknown speaker the review criteria. The review criteria
  7817. 5:26:18 Unknown speaker I'm specifically concerned about is the
  7818. 5:26:21 Unknown speaker self-imposed hardship criteria. Um, I I
  7819. 5:26:25 Unknown speaker am concerned and ultimately it is not a
  7820. 5:26:27 Unknown speaker decision that we can make and I I feel
  7821. 5:26:29 Unknown speaker terrible for everybody involved in this
  7822. 5:26:31 Unknown speaker situation. I really do. Um, but it is
  7823. 5:26:34 Unknown speaker not a decision we can make as the
  7824. 5:26:36 Unknown speaker appellent body for us to decide whether
  7825. 5:26:38 Unknown speaker if I'm correct whether or not the
  7826. 5:26:39 Unknown speaker evidence exists. My concern is to
  7827. 5:26:42 Unknown speaker council member Popkins point, Mayor,
  7828. 5:26:45 Unknown speaker was enough evidence produced or
  7829. 5:26:47 Unknown speaker considered
  7830. 5:26:48 Unknown speaker indicating or showing that the
  7831. 5:26:50 Unknown speaker demolition was plainly errant? Um
  7832. 5:26:53 Unknown speaker because if if it was not an errant
  7833. 5:26:55 Unknown speaker demolition
  7834. 5:26:57 Unknown speaker at at any point in that process
  7835. 5:27:00 Unknown speaker and that would indicate that this likely
  7836. 5:27:03 Unknown speaker is a self-imposed hardship that would
  7837. 5:27:06 Unknown speaker not qualify for a variance. I I am not
  7838. 5:27:09 Unknown speaker confident that PNZ reviewed that
  7839. 5:27:11 Unknown speaker criterion
  7840. 5:27:13 Unknown speaker sufficiently enough.
  7841. 5:27:15 Unknown speaker My my preference, I will just state it
  7842. 5:27:18 Unknown speaker plainly at this point in time, would be
  7843. 5:27:20 Unknown speaker to remand this back to PNZ and ask them
  7844. 5:27:23 Unknown speaker to review that specific criterion
  7845. 5:27:26 Unknown speaker specifically related to evidence showing
  7846. 5:27:29 Unknown speaker that the demolition was plainly an error
  7847. 5:27:32 Unknown speaker that the applicant or the or Miss Wolf
  7848. 5:27:35 Unknown speaker can provide. Whether that's
  7849. 5:27:36 Unknown speaker communications with the contractor, text
  7850. 5:27:38 Unknown speaker messages, etc. That's PNZ's decision,
  7851. 5:27:41 Unknown speaker not ours. because if this was plainly an
  7852. 5:27:44 Unknown speaker error demolition that she you know I'm
  7853. 5:27:46 Unknown speaker not saying I don't believe anybody here
  7854. 5:27:48 Unknown speaker but I don't believe there's enough
  7855. 5:27:49 Unknown speaker evidence in the record to show that um
  7856. 5:27:52 Unknown speaker and that is my that is my concern so
  7857. 5:27:54 Unknown speaker that I'll just state that would be my
  7858. 5:27:55 Unknown speaker preference at this point in time but I I
  7859. 5:27:57 Unknown speaker I it is late as well so
  7860. 5:28:00 Unknown speaker I if you are making a motion I will
  7861. 5:28:02 Unknown speaker second that
  7862. 5:28:03 Unknown speaker I can make that a motion Don and I don't
  7863. 5:28:05 Unknown speaker have it written because it's just yeah
  7864. 5:28:07 Unknown speaker it's if council requires further
  7865. 5:28:10 Unknown speaker consideration council
  7866. 5:28:12 Unknown speaker should adopt a motion reprimanding the
  7867. 5:28:15 Unknown speaker appeal to PNZ.
  7868. 5:28:17 Unknown speaker Um,
  7869. 5:28:17 Unknown speaker and it Yeah.
  7870. 5:28:18 Unknown speaker And the motion would be
  7871. 5:28:22 Unknown speaker remanding, not reprimanding.
  7872. 5:28:23 Unknown speaker Reprimanding. Did I say reprimanding?
  7873. 5:28:26 Unknown speaker Yeah, we're just going to throw a shoe
  7874. 5:28:30 Unknown speaker because they should have considered this
  7875. 5:28:33 Unknown speaker um because it wasn't in our documents.
  7876. 5:28:35 Unknown speaker Um, remanding. Thank you. and um with
  7877. 5:28:39 Unknown speaker the um
  7878. 5:28:40 Unknown speaker specific criterion. So, I'll just say it
  7879. 5:28:42 Unknown speaker and Don, catch as much of it as you can.
  7880. 5:28:44 Unknown speaker We're going to do this on the flight
  7881. 5:28:45 Unknown speaker together, you and me. Okay.
  7882. 5:28:47 Unknown speaker um that they review that this be
  7883. 5:28:48 Unknown speaker remanded to PNZ with the specific
  7884. 5:28:51 Unknown speaker direction that they review the
  7885. 5:28:54 Unknown speaker self-imposed hardship
  7886. 5:28:57 Unknown speaker criterion
  7887. 5:28:58 Unknown speaker and seeking additional evidence showing
  7888. 5:29:01 Unknown speaker that the demolition was plainly errant
  7889. 5:29:05 Unknown speaker or in error to some degree if that's
  7890. 5:29:08 Unknown speaker making sense.
  7891. 5:29:10 Unknown speaker And now
  7892. 5:29:10 Unknown speaker I had seconded.
  7893. 5:29:11 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  7894. 5:29:12 Unknown speaker Does that is that understood? Don, do
  7895. 5:29:14 Unknown speaker you have that mostly?
  7896. 5:29:15 Unknown speaker We'll see.
  7897. 5:29:16 Unknown speaker Um,
  7898. 5:29:18 Unknown speaker yeah, that that's roughly what I'm
  7899. 5:29:20 Unknown speaker getting at.
  7900. 5:29:20 Unknown speaker Okay. So,
  7901. 5:29:21 Unknown speaker and that ultimately is PNZ's decision,
  7902. 5:29:24 Unknown speaker not ours, but the appellent body.
  7903. 5:29:26 Unknown speaker Remanding the appeal to PNZ. And then it
  7904. 5:29:30 Unknown speaker was motion was made by council member
  7905. 5:29:32 Unknown speaker Marcine and I had seconded it. Um,
  7906. 5:29:37 Unknown speaker and let's go ahead and vote on that.
  7907. 5:29:55 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  7908. 5:29:58 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries six to one with
  7909. 5:30:01 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin in opposition.
  7910. 5:30:04 Unknown speaker Okay. So, are we done
  7911. 5:30:08 Unknown speaker on the next item? Thank you.
  7912. 5:30:14 Unknown speaker So, we are now at final call. Public
  7913. 5:30:17 Unknown speaker invited to be heard. Yeah. Do we have
  7914. 5:30:20 Unknown speaker any members of the audience? Okay.
  7915. 5:30:22 Unknown speaker Seeing none. Um, we are now at mayor and
  7916. 5:30:26 Unknown speaker council comments. Do we have any
  7917. 5:30:30 Unknown speaker council members?
  7918. 5:30:32 Unknown speaker I do have something really quick and
  7919. 5:30:34 Unknown speaker it's more of just for you all. So, we
  7920. 5:30:36 Unknown speaker made a motion earlier today to um to
  7921. 5:30:42 Unknown speaker h look at our structure for interviewing
  7922. 5:30:45 Unknown speaker the tech board. I forgot to ask at that
  7923. 5:30:48 Unknown speaker time with a show of hands, who is
  7924. 5:30:51 Unknown speaker interested on being one of those two
  7925. 5:30:54 Unknown speaker people on that board
  7926. 5:30:57 Unknown speaker for the interview? for the interviewing
  7927. 5:30:58 Unknown speaker component.
  7928. 5:31:00 Unknown speaker Um, Council Member Christ and Council
  7929. 5:31:02 Unknown speaker Member Popkin
  7930. 5:31:04 Unknown speaker and he'll be back up. Okay, perfect.
  7931. 5:31:06 Unknown speaker That was all I needed to know. Okay, so
  7932. 5:31:08 Unknown speaker now
  7933. 5:31:08 Unknown speaker time's up.
  7934. 5:31:09 Unknown speaker Time's up. We boom. Okay. Um, Council
  7935. 5:31:12 Unknown speaker Member Marcy.
  7936. 5:31:13 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to take
  7937. 5:31:14 Unknown speaker a moment to congratulate the museum,
  7938. 5:31:16 Unknown speaker Eric Mason, and the whole team on a
  7939. 5:31:18 Unknown speaker hugely successful reopening. We had the
  7940. 5:31:19 Unknown speaker museum advisory board meeting last
  7941. 5:31:21 Unknown speaker night. I can share with council. 1,976
  7942. 5:31:25 Unknown speaker individuals came through the doors of
  7943. 5:31:26 Unknown speaker the museum on Saturday alone. Uh and it
  7944. 5:31:30 Unknown speaker absolutely um was a smash. I I you know,
  7945. 5:31:33 Unknown speaker Dream Lab, if you haven't seen it, and
  7946. 5:31:35 Unknown speaker if you have little kids or grandkids,
  7947. 5:31:36 Unknown speaker amazing. And the work that that museum
  7948. 5:31:38 Unknown speaker is going to do over the coming uh years
  7949. 5:31:40 Unknown speaker to really be the the cultural heart of
  7950. 5:31:41 Unknown speaker our community is awesome. So, I just
  7951. 5:31:42 Unknown speaker wanted to congratulate them and
  7952. 5:31:43 Unknown speaker congratulate staff and everybody who
  7953. 5:31:44 Unknown speaker worked on it.
  7954. 5:31:46 Unknown speaker Yeah, that was a pretty cool um ribbon
  7955. 5:31:48 Unknown speaker cutting. We even walked away with some
  7956. 5:31:51 Unknown speaker gold scissors out of it. Yeah. Um,
  7957. 5:31:54 Unknown speaker Council Member Kulkoffer.
  7958. 5:31:56 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh, today I had the
  7959. 5:31:57 Unknown speaker honor of representing Longmont at the
  7960. 5:31:59 Unknown speaker Resilience in the Rockies summit. And
  7961. 5:32:02 Unknown speaker just so everybody knows that we are
  7962. 5:32:04 Unknown speaker doing things that other communities
  7963. 5:32:06 Unknown speaker aren't doing when it comes to water
  7964. 5:32:07 Unknown speaker conservation. So, huge kudos to nobody's
  7965. 5:32:10 Unknown speaker here, but uh Chris and team [snorts] and
  7966. 5:32:13 Unknown speaker Hope um and and Nicole for for all the
  7967. 5:32:16 Unknown speaker hard work that they do and Zach as well.
  7968. 5:32:18 Unknown speaker Um, you know, I was up on stage telling
  7969. 5:32:21 Unknown speaker the rest of the municipalities in
  7970. 5:32:23 Unknown speaker Colorado what we're doing and everybody
  7971. 5:32:25 Unknown speaker was really excited about what Longmont's
  7972. 5:32:27 Unknown speaker doing to preserve our water. So, kudos
  7973. 5:32:29 Unknown speaker to them.
  7974. 5:32:30 Unknown speaker Thank you. Okay. Um, Council Member
  7975. 5:32:32 Unknown speaker Prietto,
  7976. 5:32:34 Unknown speaker just want to let council know that um,
  7977. 5:32:37 Unknown speaker the youth council's trunk or tree is
  7978. 5:32:41 Unknown speaker October 23rd at 4:30. So, if you guys
  7979. 5:32:44 Unknown speaker want to go by and show support, um also
  7980. 5:32:48 Unknown speaker take your kids if you have any. If not,
  7981. 5:32:50 Unknown speaker take someone else's kids. Um and then
  7982. 5:32:54 Unknown speaker just a report on the youth council. Um
  7983. 5:32:57 Unknown speaker they were really excited to hear that um
  7984. 5:33:01 Unknown speaker the city council had approved um
  7985. 5:33:04 Unknown speaker representation of a either well just a
  7986. 5:33:06 Unknown speaker youth in the city to be a part of the
  7987. 5:33:08 Unknown speaker technology advisory board. and I have to
  7988. 5:33:11 Unknown speaker get with staff to figure out what that
  7989. 5:33:12 Unknown speaker process looks like or if we got any
  7990. 5:33:15 Unknown speaker applications in. Um, in addition to
  7991. 5:33:18 Unknown speaker that, we were able to recruit um a few
  7992. 5:33:22 Unknown speaker youth to be a part of the multicultural
  7993. 5:33:25 Unknown speaker action committee subcommittee for the
  7994. 5:33:28 Unknown speaker local square mural project. Um, so
  7995. 5:33:32 Unknown speaker definitely working with the youth
  7996. 5:33:34 Unknown speaker council to find other ways to get them
  7997. 5:33:36 Unknown speaker involved in city business. And so I
  7998. 5:33:39 Unknown speaker thought you guys would be uh pleased to
  7999. 5:33:41 Unknown speaker hear about that that they their input um
  8000. 5:33:43 Unknown speaker is going to go into that mural project
  8001. 5:33:45 Unknown speaker that's going to be in on Main Street.
  8002. 5:33:48 Unknown speaker And I think I feel like there's more,
  8003. 5:33:51 Unknown speaker but I think that's it for now. Just
  8004. 5:33:54 Unknown speaker wanted to report on the youth trunk.
  8005. 5:33:55 Unknown speaker Thank you. Thank you. And I will not be
  8006. 5:33:57 Unknown speaker able to attend the trunk or treat
  8007. 5:33:59 Unknown speaker because Indian Peaks is having their
  8008. 5:34:01 Unknown speaker trunk or treat the same day. And that's
  8009. 5:34:02 Unknown speaker why I've been asking staff, does anybody
  8010. 5:34:04 Unknown speaker have stuff? And they're like, no, we're
  8011. 5:34:05 Unknown speaker busy. It's like that's why. So
  8012. 5:34:07 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  8013. 5:34:08 Unknown speaker um tomorrow night we have our board
  8014. 5:34:12 Unknown speaker school board joint meeting with the
  8015. 5:34:15 Unknown speaker school board. So um city council with
  8016. 5:34:17 Unknown speaker school board that is tomorrow night at
  8017. 5:34:20 Unknown speaker um yeah later tonight um 6 pm at the
  8018. 5:34:24 Unknown speaker senior center. And then this Saturday is
  8019. 5:34:28 Unknown speaker uh the de los Muertos the day of the
  8020. 5:34:30 Unknown speaker dead family celebration at 4th in
  8021. 5:34:32 Unknown speaker Kimbark um starting at 11 o'clock.
  8022. 5:34:35 Unknown speaker Uhhuh. So full schedule. Okay. Thank
  8023. 5:34:38 Unknown speaker you. And
  8024. 5:34:41 Unknown speaker city manager remarks.
  8025. 5:34:42 Unknown speaker No comment. Mor council.
  8026. 5:34:44 Unknown speaker City attorney remark. [laughter]
  8027. 5:34:46 Unknown speaker No comments. May
  8028. 5:34:47 Unknown speaker wake up.
  8029. 5:34:48 Unknown speaker Okay. We have a motion to adjourn. All
  8030. 5:34:50 Unknown speaker those in favor?
  8031. 5:34:52 Unknown speaker I. All those opposed. Okay. We are
  8032. 5:34:54 Unknown speaker adjourned.