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Transcript: City Council Regular Session - 06 October 2026

October 6, 2026

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  1. 0:00:00 Unknown speaker It's
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  6. 0:00:59 Unknown speaker Hey,
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  8. 0:01:14 Unknown speaker [music] hey, hey.
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  11. 0:02:15 Unknown speaker I would now like to call the October 6,
  12. 0:02:18 Unknown speaker 2026 regular city council meeting to
  13. 0:02:21 Unknown speaker order. Um the um I would sorry lost my
  14. 0:02:26 Unknown speaker spot in line. Um the live stream of this
  15. 0:02:29 Unknown speaker meeting can be viewed at the city's
  16. 0:02:30 Unknown speaker YouTube channel longpublicdia.orgwatch
  17. 0:02:35 Unknown speaker or on Comcast channels 8 or 880. Can we
  18. 0:02:38 Unknown speaker begin with roll call please?
  19. 0:02:40 Unknown speaker Mayor Dgoing
  20. 0:02:42 Unknown speaker present.
  21. 0:02:42 Unknown speaker Mayor Promcoy
  22. 0:02:43 Unknown speaker present. Council member Christ
  23. 0:02:45 Unknown speaker present.
  24. 0:02:45 Unknown speaker Council member Marcen
  25. 0:02:46 Unknown speaker here.
  26. 0:02:46 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin
  27. 0:02:47 Matthew Popkin here.
  28. 0:02:48 Unknown speaker Council member Pto
  29. 0:02:49 Unknown speaker present.
  30. 0:02:49 Unknown speaker Council member Caloffer
  31. 0:02:51 Unknown speaker Mayor you have a quorum.
  32. 0:02:52 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Let's go ahead and stand
  33. 0:02:53 Unknown speaker for the pledge.
  34. 0:02:56 Unknown speaker I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
  35. 0:02:59 Unknown speaker United States of America and to the
  36. 0:03:02 Unknown speaker republic for which it stands, one nation
  37. 0:03:05 Unknown speaker under God, indivisible, with liberty and
  38. 0:03:08 Unknown speaker justice for all.
  39. 0:03:18 Unknown speaker Okay.
  40. 0:03:20 Unknown speaker So, a reminder to the public, in
  41. 0:03:22 Unknown speaker accordance with council's rules of
  42. 0:03:24 Unknown speaker procedure, the rules for providing
  43. 0:03:25 Unknown speaker public comment are as follows. Only
  44. 0:03:27 Unknown speaker Longmont residents and employees of the
  45. 0:03:30 Unknown speaker city of Longmont may speak during first
  46. 0:03:31 Unknown speaker call public invited to be heard. You
  47. 0:03:33 Unknown speaker must provide your address on the signup
  48. 0:03:35 Unknown speaker sheet before the meeting or I will not
  49. 0:03:37 Unknown speaker call your name. Each speaker is limited
  50. 0:03:39 Unknown speaker to three minutes. Anyone may speak on
  51. 0:03:42 Unknown speaker second reading or public hearing item
  52. 0:03:44 Unknown speaker and you are asked to add your name to
  53. 0:03:45 Unknown speaker the speaker list for this specific item
  54. 0:03:47 Unknown speaker before the meeting. Anyone may speak
  55. 0:03:50 Unknown speaker during final call public invited to be
  56. 0:03:51 Unknown speaker heard. Members of the audience shall
  57. 0:03:54 Unknown speaker refrain from disruptive, vulgar, or
  58. 0:03:56 Unknown speaker abusive language, applause, heckling, or
  59. 0:03:58 Unknown speaker other actions that interfere with the
  60. 0:04:00 Unknown speaker orderly function of council.
  61. 0:04:02 Unknown speaker And um as well as
  62. 0:04:06 Unknown speaker what I've noticed off and on is that we
  63. 0:04:09 Unknown speaker have people who've asked us questions um
  64. 0:04:11 Unknown speaker when they're at at the podium and public
  65. 0:04:14 Unknown speaker comment is not designed to be an
  66. 0:04:16 Unknown speaker interactive um back and forth
  67. 0:04:18 Unknown speaker conversation. Um we take your your
  68. 0:04:20 Unknown speaker comments. Many of us back here take
  69. 0:04:22 Unknown speaker notes as well. Um and we have your
  70. 0:04:25 Unknown speaker contact information as well. So I just
  71. 0:04:27 Unknown speaker want to remind folks of that and that's
  72. 0:04:29 Unknown speaker why we're not responding. Um and then
  73. 0:04:31 Unknown speaker before we move on to approval of the
  74. 0:04:33 Unknown speaker minutes, I'm going to augment the agenda
  75. 0:04:35 Unknown speaker to add a couple of comments. Um so for
  76. 0:04:40 Unknown speaker many who have been experiencing cellular
  77. 0:04:44 Unknown speaker issues, I can see some nods. Yeah. And
  78. 0:04:47 Unknown speaker um we've we've been going um you know,
  79. 0:04:50 Unknown speaker it's been brought to council's attention
  80. 0:04:53 Unknown speaker uh frequently over the last couple of
  81. 0:04:55 Unknown speaker years pretty much. We've we've heard
  82. 0:04:57 Unknown speaker that this has been an ongoing problem
  83. 0:04:59 Unknown speaker and
  84. 0:05:01 Unknown speaker um changes that have been made as of
  85. 0:05:03 Unknown speaker recent have caused a great amount of
  86. 0:05:06 Unknown speaker problems for especially T-Mobile
  87. 0:05:08 Unknown speaker residents. Um I'm a T-Mobile customer
  88. 0:05:10 Unknown speaker and especially when I'm on the south
  89. 0:05:12 Unknown speaker side of town, but as well as the north
  90. 0:05:13 Unknown speaker end of town. I'm hearing from quite a
  91. 0:05:15 Unknown speaker few constituents that um they are having
  92. 0:05:18 Unknown speaker experiencing problems in the north end
  93. 0:05:20 Unknown speaker of um of Longmont as well. So um as well
  94. 0:05:23 Unknown speaker as area area neighbors. So, I just
  95. 0:05:26 Unknown speaker wanted to let folks know that many of us
  96. 0:05:28 Unknown speaker are in contact with the federal agencies
  97. 0:05:31 Unknown speaker as well as um the private carriers. Um I
  98. 0:05:35 Unknown speaker have been in ongoing conversations for
  99. 0:05:38 Unknown speaker several weeks now [laughter]
  100. 0:05:40 Unknown speaker with um the Department of Commerce, the
  101. 0:05:43 Unknown speaker NTIA, which is a subset of the
  102. 0:05:47 Unknown speaker Department of Commerce. Please correct
  103. 0:05:48 Unknown speaker me if I'm wrong. I'm learning all these
  104. 0:05:50 Unknown speaker acronyms and all the the um ins and outs
  105. 0:05:54 Unknown speaker of this. So, and I'm not a very
  106. 0:05:55 Unknown speaker technical person. I'll be quite honest.
  107. 0:05:57 Unknown speaker I'm a school teacher, so I'm learning a
  108. 0:05:59 Unknown speaker lot. Um but as well as I've been in
  109. 0:06:02 Unknown speaker contact with um uh um staff from
  110. 0:06:06 Unknown speaker representative Nagus as well as senators
  111. 0:06:08 Unknown speaker Bennett and Hickin Looper and um from
  112. 0:06:11 Unknown speaker the latest bit of conversation I
  113. 0:06:14 Unknown speaker received b latest bit of information I
  114. 0:06:15 Unknown speaker received is tomorrow or the next day the
  115. 0:06:18 Unknown speaker congressional teams will be meeting
  116. 0:06:20 Unknown speaker directly with T-Mobile um to discuss you
  117. 0:06:24 Unknown speaker know just a path forward how to get this
  118. 0:06:26 Unknown speaker work expedited. Um, I've been in contact
  119. 0:06:28 Unknown speaker with our county commissioner, um, Ashley
  120. 0:06:31 Unknown speaker Stoultzman, as well as staff in Boulder
  121. 0:06:33 Unknown speaker County and, um, really looking at ways
  122. 0:06:38 Unknown speaker that we could help support streamline
  123. 0:06:40 Unknown speaker any process. there does it doesn't sound
  124. 0:06:42 Unknown speaker like there's a whole lot we Longmont
  125. 0:06:44 Unknown speaker Municipality can do, but I said if
  126. 0:06:47 Unknown speaker anything comes up as far as permitting
  127. 0:06:48 Unknown speaker or whatever um avenue to help streamline
  128. 0:06:51 Unknown speaker the process um I will get with our staff
  129. 0:06:54 Unknown speaker to make sure that happens in a timely
  130. 0:06:56 Unknown speaker manner so we can get service up and
  131. 0:06:58 Unknown speaker running. You know, we know many of us
  132. 0:06:59 Unknown speaker don't have no longer have landlines. So,
  133. 0:07:02 Unknown speaker we are dependent on these on this um you
  134. 0:07:06 Unknown speaker know, on sell service that works. So, so
  135. 0:07:09 Unknown speaker I just wanted to let you all know that
  136. 0:07:11 Unknown speaker we are we are doing what we can while
  137. 0:07:14 Unknown speaker you know if I could get out there and
  138. 0:07:16 Unknown speaker like literally lift up the tower and
  139. 0:07:18 Unknown speaker move it over, I would do that in a
  140. 0:07:19 Unknown speaker heartbeat. I promise you that. I'm not
  141. 0:07:21 Unknown speaker trying to be facitious in any degree.
  142. 0:07:24 Unknown speaker But I mean, we really need to get this
  143. 0:07:26 Unknown speaker resolved um in a timely manner. Um I'm
  144. 0:07:30 Unknown speaker continuing everyday conversations with
  145. 0:07:32 Unknown speaker folks to to see what can be done and how
  146. 0:07:34 Unknown speaker we can get this get this moving. So,
  147. 0:07:37 Unknown speaker thank you. Um, and if anyone has any
  148. 0:07:39 Unknown speaker questions, you can always call or reach
  149. 0:07:40 Unknown speaker out to to me, s mayor Susie. [laughter]
  150. 0:07:45 Unknown speaker So, um, and then, yep. So, that is all I
  151. 0:07:48 Unknown speaker have and then if other council members
  152. 0:07:50 Unknown speaker want to weigh in at the end of the
  153. 0:07:51 Unknown speaker meeting, we would be, um, we can discuss
  154. 0:07:53 Unknown speaker then or share what you what you found as
  155. 0:07:56 Unknown speaker well. Um, okay. So, now we're on to a
  156. 0:07:58 Unknown speaker regular meeting. Do we have motions to
  157. 0:08:02 Unknown speaker direct Oh, no. Approval of the minutes.
  158. 0:08:04 Unknown speaker I'm sorry. So move.
  159. 0:08:06 Unknown speaker So we have well and it would be the
  160. 0:08:08 Unknown speaker September 20 22nd, 2026 regular session
  161. 0:08:11 Unknown speaker meetings that were [laughter]
  162. 0:08:12 Unknown speaker moved. Um okay. So that motion was made
  163. 0:08:16 Unknown speaker by council uh Mayor Prom McCoy and
  164. 0:08:18 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Christ. Okay.
  165. 0:08:20 Unknown speaker Any discussion? Okay. Let's go ahead and
  166. 0:08:23 Unknown speaker vote.
  167. 0:08:28 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  168. 0:08:30 Unknown speaker are now on to agenda revisions and
  169. 0:08:32 Unknown speaker submission of documents and motions to
  170. 0:08:34 Unknown speaker direct the city manager to add agenda
  171. 0:08:35 Unknown speaker items to future agendas. Council member
  172. 0:08:38 Unknown speaker Marcine. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, I move to
  173. 0:08:40 Unknown speaker direct staff to begin the process of
  174. 0:08:43 Unknown speaker naming the newly acquired recreation
  175. 0:08:45 Unknown speaker facility at 950 Lashley Street the
  176. 0:08:48 Unknown speaker Lehman Recreation Center in recognition
  177. 0:08:51 Unknown speaker of the Lehman family's long-standing
  178. 0:08:53 Unknown speaker support of the facility and their role
  179. 0:08:55 Unknown speaker in preserving the community asset for
  180. 0:08:59 Unknown speaker generations to come.
  181. 0:09:00 Unknown speaker For that, I will second that motion.
  182. 0:09:03 Unknown speaker Okay.
  183. 0:09:04 Unknown speaker Do you need the text on or do you have
  184. 0:09:05 Unknown speaker it?
  185. 0:09:06 Unknown speaker Um, I see the text up here. So, the
  186. 0:09:08 Unknown speaker motion was made to direct the staff to
  187. 0:09:10 Unknown speaker begin the process of naming the newly
  188. 0:09:11 Unknown speaker acquired recreational facility at 950
  189. 0:09:14 Unknown speaker Lashley Street to um the Leman's
  190. 0:09:16 Unknown speaker Recreation Center in recognition of the
  191. 0:09:18 Unknown speaker Lehman family's longstanding
  192. 0:09:20 Unknown speaker longstanding support of the facility and
  193. 0:09:23 Unknown speaker the role in preserving this community
  194. 0:09:24 Unknown speaker asset for future generations. The motion
  195. 0:09:26 Unknown speaker was made by council member Marcine and
  196. 0:09:28 Unknown speaker seconded by myself.
  197. 0:09:30 Unknown speaker Um see, oh no, I I saw and then I didn't
  198. 0:09:33 Unknown speaker see it.
  199. 0:09:35 Unknown speaker Yeah. Um go go ahead. This is time for
  200. 0:09:37 Unknown speaker discussion. You may be.
  201. 0:09:41 Unknown speaker Hello, Council Member Marc and mayor.
  202. 0:09:43 Unknown speaker Um,
  203. 0:09:45 Unknown speaker just a thought that came to mind. I
  204. 0:09:46 Unknown speaker think this is a wonderful idea. Um, and
  205. 0:09:50 Unknown speaker understand the intent behind it. I'm
  206. 0:09:52 Unknown speaker curious if you'd be willing to bring
  207. 0:09:55 Unknown speaker this to a study, not a study session,
  208. 0:09:57 Unknown speaker but um, a presession to discuss. And
  209. 0:10:01 Unknown speaker primarily just cuz I was thinking about
  210. 0:10:03 Unknown speaker that area in town, that area of town,
  211. 0:10:07 Unknown speaker and how many
  212. 0:10:10 Unknown speaker uh folks have maybe
  213. 0:10:13 Unknown speaker uh been leaders, you know, amongst the
  214. 0:10:16 Unknown speaker youth, amongst community, um who really
  215. 0:10:18 Unknown speaker stood out. And so just making sure we're
  216. 0:10:20 Unknown speaker having that conversation around like who
  217. 0:10:23 Unknown speaker who are we recognizing, for what reason
  218. 0:10:26 Unknown speaker are we recognizing them? and they and
  219. 0:10:27 Unknown speaker and are they the right person for this
  220. 0:10:31 Unknown speaker recognition? I don't think we've really
  221. 0:10:33 Unknown speaker gotten into that conversation as a
  222. 0:10:35 Unknown speaker council and I think it'd be beneficial
  223. 0:10:36 Unknown speaker just so we don't miss anything. And I'm
  224. 0:10:39 Unknown speaker thinking of a couple names on the top of
  225. 0:10:41 Unknown speaker my head that I, you know, would see that
  226. 0:10:43 Unknown speaker would also fall into that category of
  227. 0:10:46 Unknown speaker someone who's really made a change in
  228. 0:10:47 Unknown speaker our community. And I I just want to have
  229. 0:10:50 Unknown speaker a conversation, but I
  230. 0:10:51 Unknown speaker but I I definitely see where you're
  231. 0:10:53 Unknown speaker going with this.
  232. 0:10:54 Unknown speaker Okay. So, um I'm actually going to kick
  233. 0:10:56 Unknown speaker it back to you, Council Member Marcen,
  234. 0:10:57 Unknown speaker because um to explain.
  235. 0:10:59 Unknown speaker Yeah, I think I think I appreciate that,
  236. 0:11:01 Unknown speaker Council Member Pu, and thank you, Mayor.
  237. 0:11:02 Unknown speaker So, I um I completely understand the
  238. 0:11:04 Unknown speaker argument for a public naming process and
  239. 0:11:06 Unknown speaker for bringing folks into this. I think
  240. 0:11:07 Unknown speaker when it comes to this facility, it it's
  241. 0:11:09 Unknown speaker not a blank slate naming opportunity in
  242. 0:11:12 Unknown speaker the way that we would normally have
  243. 0:11:13 Unknown speaker specifically because and and I think
  244. 0:11:15 Unknown speaker staff can speak to this to some degree
  245. 0:11:17 Unknown speaker as well potentially that um you know the
  246. 0:11:19 Unknown speaker Lehman family has been tied to this
  247. 0:11:21 Unknown speaker facility in this YMCA for years and as
  248. 0:11:23 Unknown speaker we are all aware that the recent
  249. 0:11:24 Unknown speaker purchase of that facility to become our
  250. 0:11:26 Unknown speaker second recreation center does not happen
  251. 0:11:29 Unknown speaker um frankly without without that that
  252. 0:11:32 Unknown speaker them stepping in and and Dean's role
  253. 0:11:34 Unknown speaker specifically in the acquisition. and it
  254. 0:11:35 Unknown speaker wasn't ceremonial. Um I I so I I I think
  255. 0:11:38 Unknown speaker I'm I'm open to um conversations about
  256. 0:11:44 Unknown speaker the public gained a recreation facility
  257. 0:11:47 Unknown speaker here because people stepped up when the
  258. 0:11:49 Unknown speaker deal needed them and those that that
  259. 0:11:51 Unknown speaker have kind of followed this process.
  260. 0:11:54 Unknown speaker it a more public process and a broader
  261. 0:11:56 Unknown speaker conversation because I think I could 10
  262. 0:11:57 Unknown speaker I could name 15 people from the north
  263. 0:11:59 Unknown speaker side of town from that area who are who
  264. 0:12:01 Unknown speaker are equally worthy of having some
  265. 0:12:04 Unknown speaker tribute in their honor. I think when it
  266. 0:12:06 Unknown speaker comes to this specific facility and the
  267. 0:12:07 Unknown speaker and the the story that will someday be
  268. 0:12:09 Unknown speaker told of how the city acquired this
  269. 0:12:11 Unknown speaker facility, um it it doesn't make as much
  270. 0:12:14 Unknown speaker sense to me and I think council
  271. 0:12:16 Unknown speaker direction at this point in time before
  272. 0:12:18 Unknown speaker the wheels have really started moving in
  273. 0:12:20 Unknown speaker a way that we can't necessarily and
  274. 0:12:23 Unknown speaker again it's not a name is not the end of
  275. 0:12:24 Unknown speaker the road but um if the city hadn't
  276. 0:12:27 Unknown speaker bought a building on the open market if
  277. 0:12:29 Unknown speaker we just bought any building I would
  278. 0:12:31 Unknown speaker completely understand. I think both the
  279. 0:12:33 Unknown speaker contribution that they've made to the
  280. 0:12:35 Unknown speaker community and to this specific deal um
  281. 0:12:38 Unknown speaker makes it important and frankly I think
  282. 0:12:39 Unknown speaker the right thing to do that that we step
  283. 0:12:41 Unknown speaker in and and move this. So I'm I would be
  284. 0:12:43 Unknown speaker open to finding opportunities for naming
  285. 0:12:44 Unknown speaker within the facility for naming all like
  286. 0:12:46 Unknown speaker there are several ways we can pay
  287. 0:12:48 Unknown speaker tribute. I think it's a good opportunity
  288. 0:12:49 Unknown speaker as a community for us as a council to
  289. 0:12:51 Unknown speaker maybe even think about how we have a
  290. 0:12:52 Unknown speaker broader conversation about memorializing
  291. 0:12:54 Unknown speaker and and those sorts of things but this
  292. 0:12:56 Unknown speaker deal this specific facility I think this
  293. 0:12:57 Unknown speaker makes sense. So that's where I'm at.
  294. 0:13:00 Unknown speaker Okay.
  295. 0:13:02 Unknown speaker Um, Harold was there.
  296. 0:13:04 Unknown speaker No. Okay.
  297. 0:13:06 Unknown speaker Question.
  298. 0:13:07 Unknown speaker Okay. So, council member Well, yeah,
  299. 0:13:10 Unknown speaker council member Prito, this is your
  300. 0:13:11 Unknown speaker second time. Yes, it is.
  301. 0:13:13 Unknown speaker So,
  302. 0:13:14 Unknown speaker um, thank you for bringing this forward
  303. 0:13:16 Unknown speaker and I think this is super meaningful
  304. 0:13:17 Unknown speaker because I think it's important for us to
  305. 0:13:19 Unknown speaker recognize our community. Um, I've lived
  306. 0:13:23 Unknown speaker in Longmont my whole life and I'm I
  307. 0:13:25 Unknown speaker don't know this gentleman. Um, and it
  308. 0:13:27 Unknown speaker and and just thinking of it like on the
  309. 0:13:30 Unknown speaker east side of town as well, I'm not sure
  310. 0:13:33 Unknown speaker many of those residents in community
  311. 0:13:35 Unknown speaker know him as well. Um, and so whether it
  312. 0:13:39 Unknown speaker were a financial contribution or maybe
  313. 0:13:42 Unknown speaker there was a leader in the community that
  314. 0:13:44 Unknown speaker didn't have the finances, but they
  315. 0:13:45 Unknown speaker contributed to the community and the
  316. 0:13:47 Unknown speaker support of our youth, etc. I mean, I
  317. 0:13:50 Unknown speaker think it it weighs equally for me. And
  318. 0:13:53 Unknown speaker so, I'm going to vote no today. Council
  319. 0:13:55 Unknown speaker member Marcy, not because I don't think
  320. 0:13:56 Unknown speaker it's a great idea and that this person
  321. 0:13:58 Unknown speaker doesn't deserve to be honored. Um, but I
  322. 0:14:01 Unknown speaker just I'm voting no because I do feel
  323. 0:14:03 Unknown speaker like maybe this should have been brought
  324. 0:14:04 Unknown speaker to like a preession for us to kind of
  325. 0:14:06 Unknown speaker discuss and
  326. 0:14:07 Unknown speaker throw out like maybe who are those
  327. 0:14:09 Unknown speaker people that we should recognize. you
  328. 0:14:11 Unknown speaker know, Louis Lopez did wonderful work
  329. 0:14:13 Unknown speaker within that side of town for our
  330. 0:14:14 Unknown speaker community and our youth and set the bar
  331. 0:14:17 Unknown speaker for a lot of our families, you know, and
  332. 0:14:20 Unknown speaker and he may not have contributed
  333. 0:14:22 Unknown speaker millions of dollars, but his
  334. 0:14:24 Unknown speaker contribution lives on today. And so, so
  335. 0:14:27 Unknown speaker that's just essentially the place I'm
  336. 0:14:29 Unknown speaker coming from. So, thank you.
  337. 0:14:31 Unknown speaker Thank you. and it's not intended to be a
  338. 0:14:33 Unknown speaker discussion at this moment um because it
  339. 0:14:36 Unknown speaker will be added to a future agenda item um
  340. 0:14:38 Unknown speaker where we can discuss in depth. Um thank
  341. 0:14:42 Unknown speaker you. So let's go ahead and vote on this
  342. 0:14:43 Unknown speaker please.
  343. 0:14:52 Unknown speaker Did you just refresh it?
  344. 0:14:54 Unknown speaker Okay.
  345. 0:15:00 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries six to one with
  346. 0:15:03 Unknown speaker council member Christ in opposition. Um
  347. 0:15:06 Unknown speaker so or prito sorry
  348. 0:15:08 Unknown speaker just looking at you that you're the last
  349. 0:15:10 Unknown speaker person I looked at.
  350. 0:15:12 Unknown speaker Lordy lordy. Um okay. You know I do want
  351. 0:15:15 Unknown speaker to because I
  352. 0:15:16 Unknown speaker sorry I apologize. We do have an agenda
  353. 0:15:17 Unknown speaker revision.
  354. 0:15:18 Unknown speaker Yes.
  355. 0:15:18 Unknown speaker I need to notify you. Okay. Just to make
  356. 0:15:20 Unknown speaker sure item go ahead.
  357. 0:15:22 Unknown speaker Item 10D was added to the agenda
  358. 0:15:24 Unknown speaker yesterday morning. We inadvertently left
  359. 0:15:26 Unknown speaker that ordinance 2025,
  360. 0:15:29 Unknown speaker I'm sorry, 2026
  361. 0:15:32 Unknown speaker uh 62 off the agenda and it was it was
  362. 0:15:34 Unknown speaker added back on. So, I just wanted to call
  363. 0:15:35 Unknown speaker that out. Okay.
  364. 0:15:36 Unknown speaker It is a public hearing item.
  365. 0:15:38 Unknown speaker There is a public hearing item. Okay.
  366. 0:15:40 Unknown speaker So, we got that as well. And Eugene, you
  367. 0:15:43 Unknown speaker can correct me if I'm out of line on
  368. 0:15:44 Unknown speaker this, but I am thinking, you know, just
  369. 0:15:47 Unknown speaker out of fairness for people who shed up
  370. 0:15:49 Unknown speaker to comment. I see a lot of privacy,
  371. 0:15:51 Unknown speaker please. And at this time, I need to look
  372. 0:15:54 Unknown speaker at the address to see if you are a
  373. 0:15:56 Unknown speaker Longmont resident for verification. Um,
  374. 0:15:59 Unknown speaker I don't mind throwing this back out
  375. 0:16:01 Unknown speaker there if people want to come and put
  376. 0:16:03 Unknown speaker their address so I could verify that
  377. 0:16:05 Unknown speaker it's a Longmont address. Otherwise, I'm
  378. 0:16:07 Unknown speaker just going to have to shift it all to
  379. 0:16:08 Unknown speaker the end of the meeting. And you might
  380. 0:16:10 Unknown speaker not want to do that. And then that way
  381. 0:16:12 Unknown speaker you do not have to say it. I do not
  382. 0:16:13 Unknown speaker require people to say their address at
  383. 0:16:15 Unknown speaker the podium. So, and that is out of um
  384. 0:16:18 Unknown speaker respect and privacy.
  385. 0:16:20 Unknown speaker Okay. So, I'm going to leave that here
  386. 0:16:22 Unknown speaker and then we'll go on to we have other
  387. 0:16:24 Unknown speaker stuff before
  388. 0:16:26 Unknown speaker comment. Oh, yeah, that'd be great.
  389. 0:16:27 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  390. 0:16:29 Unknown speaker Um,
  391. 0:16:32 Unknown speaker okay. And seeing no one else for other
  392. 0:16:34 Unknown speaker agenda agenda revisions or motions, we
  393. 0:16:38 Unknown speaker are moving on to the city manager's
  394. 0:16:39 Unknown speaker report. Do does the city manager have a
  395. 0:16:42 Unknown speaker report?
  396. 0:16:44 Unknown speaker Uh the only thing I have to report is
  397. 0:16:46 Unknown speaker that we are putting out a notice that
  398. 0:16:48 Unknown speaker we're closing Button Rock based on uh
  399. 0:16:50 Unknown speaker the fire issue at um near Allen's Park.
  400. 0:16:53 Unknown speaker So just wanted to draw that to your
  401. 0:16:54 Unknown speaker attention and the public's attention and
  402. 0:16:57 Unknown speaker our public information staff will be
  403. 0:16:59 Unknown speaker putting out information on a real-time
  404. 0:17:00 Unknown speaker basis.
  405. 0:17:01 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you. And um and this
  406. 0:17:04 Unknown speaker evening we have a couple of um
  407. 0:17:07 Unknown speaker presentations, proclamations to read
  408. 0:17:09 Unknown speaker during special reports and
  409. 0:17:10 Unknown speaker presentations. I don't have the hard
  410. 0:17:12 Unknown speaker copy with me. Don is
  411. 0:17:16 Unknown speaker uh
  412. 0:17:16 Unknown speaker Oh,
  413. 0:17:18 Unknown speaker do we have the neighborhood groups
  414. 0:17:19 Unknown speaker Leadership Association here?
  415. 0:17:21 Unknown speaker The in your
  416. 0:17:23 Unknown speaker Ah, yeah. I see it right here. I have it
  417. 0:17:24 Unknown speaker up on my I always read it from my screen
  418. 0:17:26 Unknown speaker anyways, but I'd like to give it to
  419. 0:17:28 Unknown speaker them. Um
  420. 0:17:31 Unknown speaker Okay.
  421. 0:17:33 Unknown speaker So, we will get it to you if you're here
  422. 0:17:36 Unknown speaker for the um NGLA.
  423. 0:17:38 Unknown speaker So, I would like to start with a
  424. 0:17:41 Unknown speaker proclamation designating October 10th um
  425. 0:17:44 Unknown speaker 2026 as Neighborhood Group Leaders
  426. 0:17:46 Unknown speaker Association Day in Longmont, Colorado.
  427. 0:17:49 Unknown speaker Whereas residents u formed the
  428. 0:17:52 Unknown speaker neighborhood group leaders association
  429. 0:17:54 Unknown speaker NGLA to help neighbors talk and work
  430. 0:17:57 Unknown speaker together and NG whereas NGLA's neighbors
  431. 0:18:01 Unknown speaker came from residents themselves and for
  432. 0:18:03 Unknown speaker 40 years NGLA has connected residents
  433. 0:18:06 Unknown speaker with one another and with the city
  434. 0:18:08 Unknown speaker working together on issues like safety
  435. 0:18:10 Unknown speaker and community development. And whereas
  436. 0:18:13 Unknown speaker NGLA
  437. 0:18:15 Unknown speaker keeps growing with the city, welcoming
  438. 0:18:17 Unknown speaker new neighborhood groups while staying
  439. 0:18:19 Unknown speaker true to its roots. And whereas the city
  440. 0:18:22 Unknown speaker of Longmont thanks and celebrates NGLA
  441. 0:18:24 Unknown speaker for 40 years of building stronger and
  442. 0:18:26 Unknown speaker more connected neighbors. Now therefore,
  443. 0:18:28 Unknown speaker I Susie Valgo Farering, by the virtue of
  444. 0:18:31 Unknown speaker the authority vested in me and the city
  445. 0:18:33 Unknown speaker council of the city of Longmont, do
  446. 0:18:35 Unknown speaker hereby proclaim October 10th, 2026 as
  447. 0:18:38 Unknown speaker neighborhood group leaders association
  448. 0:18:40 Unknown speaker day in Longmont, Colorado, honoring 40
  449. 0:18:43 Unknown speaker years of neighborhood leadership and
  450. 0:18:45 Unknown speaker community. So, if members from NGLA
  451. 0:18:47 Unknown speaker would like to come down, yay. And um you
  452. 0:18:51 Unknown speaker are welcome to turn on the mic and share
  453. 0:18:53 Unknown speaker some words.
  454. 0:18:56 Unknown speaker Hi, thank you, Mayor Hildalgo Fairing.
  455. 0:18:58 Unknown speaker Um, I my name is Morgan Lundy. I work
  456. 0:19:01 Unknown speaker for the city of Longmont and community
  457. 0:19:03 Unknown speaker neighbor and neighborhood resources as a
  458. 0:19:05 Unknown speaker neighborhood resource specialist. And I
  459. 0:19:07 Unknown speaker get to work with these neighborhoods
  460. 0:19:09 Unknown speaker every day and it's such a pleasure and
  461. 0:19:10 Unknown speaker joy to see the community building that
  462. 0:19:13 Unknown speaker they're doing neighborhood by
  463. 0:19:14 Unknown speaker neighborhood making Longmont a beautiful
  464. 0:19:17 Unknown speaker place for everyone to live. Um, it since
  465. 0:19:21 Unknown speaker I've been here, I've been digging into
  466. 0:19:22 Unknown speaker the history of NGLA and the legacy that
  467. 0:19:25 Unknown speaker it has created in Longmont. And I found
  468. 0:19:28 Unknown speaker it's hard to find written things about
  469. 0:19:29 Unknown speaker it. But what we find, the history is
  470. 0:19:32 Unknown speaker lived in our neighborhoods, in our in
  471. 0:19:35 Unknown speaker our parks, in our gardens, in our yards,
  472. 0:19:38 Unknown speaker in the block parties we have together.
  473. 0:19:41 Unknown speaker So that history and that legacy carries
  474. 0:19:43 Unknown speaker on, and it's something we continue to
  475. 0:19:45 Unknown speaker build today. Um, and I also want to
  476. 0:19:47 Unknown speaker acknowledge um the NGLA uh neighborhood
  477. 0:19:50 Unknown speaker reps that are here, including Gerald uh
  478. 0:19:52 Unknown speaker who is our our president and or our
  479. 0:19:55 Unknown speaker chairperson, my bad, and a few other
  480. 0:19:57 Unknown speaker people who are here as well. And so I
  481. 0:19:59 Unknown speaker appreciate um we appreciate the support
  482. 0:20:02 Unknown speaker that council has provided for NGLA for
  483. 0:20:05 Unknown speaker 40 years and we're excited to see where
  484. 0:20:07 Unknown speaker we go in the future. Um and then I also
  485. 0:20:10 Unknown speaker want to point out we have our
  486. 0:20:12 Unknown speaker neighborhood summit this October uh
  487. 0:20:14 Unknown speaker 10th. It'll be here at the Civic Center
  488. 0:20:16 Unknown speaker from 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 and everyone is
  489. 0:20:20 Unknown speaker invited. Come, even if you're not an
  490. 0:20:23 Unknown speaker NGLA neighborhood yet, come learn about
  491. 0:20:25 Unknown speaker NGLA, what great things are happening in
  492. 0:20:28 Unknown speaker our neighborhoods, and um come celebrate
  493. 0:20:31 Unknown speaker the excellence of Longmont neighborhoods
  494. 0:20:33 Unknown speaker with us. So, there will be hand uh save
  495. 0:20:35 Unknown speaker the dates in the back and then I also
  496. 0:20:37 Unknown speaker have um programs for council. So, thank
  497. 0:20:40 Unknown speaker you.
  498. 0:20:41 Unknown speaker Thank you. And would you like a picture
  499. 0:20:43 Unknown speaker with us? Would your group like to I
  500. 0:20:45 Unknown speaker don't have the actual certificate.
  501. 0:20:47 Unknown speaker We will get the the proclamations to
  502. 0:20:49 Unknown speaker both groups tonight.
  503. 0:20:50 Unknown speaker Perfect. Perfect.
  504. 0:20:51 Unknown speaker Okay, great.
  505. 0:20:52 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  506. 0:20:52 Unknown speaker Well, if you all want to come on down,
  507. 0:21:03 Unknown speaker I
  508. 0:21:15 Unknown speaker What? Do you have a picture?
  509. 0:21:16 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  510. 0:21:16 Unknown speaker Oh, awesome. Cool. I'll take one, too.
  511. 0:21:17 Unknown speaker Just
  512. 0:21:17 Unknown speaker Well, I'll take one.
  513. 0:21:19 Unknown speaker You go. You gohead first. We get eyes in
  514. 0:21:21 Unknown speaker one place.
  515. 0:21:22 Unknown speaker You're going to have to really stand
  516. 0:21:25 Unknown speaker together like you like each other.
  517. 0:21:30 Unknown speaker Everybody slow down.
  518. 0:21:33 Unknown speaker Very nice.
  519. 0:21:33 Unknown speaker Cool. All right, we'll do one more
  520. 0:21:35 Unknown speaker really quickly.
  521. 0:21:37 Unknown speaker Awesome.
  522. 0:21:39 Unknown speaker Thank you all.
  523. 0:21:44 Unknown speaker [applause]
  524. 0:22:03 Unknown speaker Okay, thank you. And the next um
  525. 0:22:05 Unknown speaker proclamation is a proclamation
  526. 0:22:08 Unknown speaker designating October um October 2026 6 as
  527. 0:22:13 Unknown speaker domestic violence awareness month in
  528. 0:22:15 Unknown speaker Longmont, Colorado. Whereas um intimate
  529. 0:22:18 Unknown speaker power um partner violence IPV affects
  530. 0:22:22 Unknown speaker millions of people in the United States
  531. 0:22:23 Unknown speaker each year. One in three women and one in
  532. 0:22:26 Unknown speaker six men experience domestic violence by
  533. 0:22:29 Unknown speaker an intimate partner during their
  534. 0:22:31 Unknown speaker lifetimes. And whereas survivors can
  535. 0:22:33 Unknown speaker experience serious long-term health
  536. 0:22:36 Unknown speaker effects including chronic health uh
  537. 0:22:38 Unknown speaker heart conditions, depression, and PTSD.
  538. 0:22:41 Unknown speaker and individuals um from some racial and
  539. 0:22:44 Unknown speaker ethnic minority groups face an even
  540. 0:22:46 Unknown speaker higher risk. Whereas approximately 45
  541. 0:22:49 Unknown speaker million children are exposed to violence
  542. 0:22:51 Unknown speaker during childhood, studies show ex uh
  543. 0:22:54 Unknown speaker exposed children are more likely to
  544. 0:22:56 Unknown speaker experience adverse um psychosocial and
  545. 0:23:00 Unknown speaker behavioral outcomes. And whereas we must
  546. 0:23:03 Unknown speaker join local community service providers
  547. 0:23:05 Unknown speaker and workplaces to send clear message
  548. 0:23:07 Unknown speaker that domestic violence will not be
  549. 0:23:09 Unknown speaker tolerated in Longmont. And whereas we
  550. 0:23:12 Unknown speaker must ensure that a comprehens that
  551. 0:23:14 Unknown speaker comprehensive support is available for
  552. 0:23:16 Unknown speaker victims of domestic violence and their
  553. 0:23:17 Unknown speaker children and remain committed to
  554. 0:23:20 Unknown speaker increasing public awareness of intimate
  555. 0:23:22 Unknown speaker partner abuse. Now therefore, I Susie
  556. 0:23:25 Unknown speaker Valgo Fairing, mayor, by the power by
  557. 0:23:28 Unknown speaker the virtue of the authority vested in me
  558. 0:23:30 Unknown speaker and in the city of Longmont, um the city
  559. 0:23:34 Unknown speaker council of the city of Longmont, do
  560. 0:23:36 Unknown speaker hereby proclaim October 2026 as domestic
  561. 0:23:39 Unknown speaker violence awareness month in Longmont,
  562. 0:23:41 Unknown speaker Colorado. And so if um members of the
  563. 0:23:44 Unknown speaker group um I have Joanna, you Joanne, you
  564. 0:23:48 Unknown speaker come on down. Advocate with the Longmont
  565. 0:23:50 Unknown speaker Police Department to accept proclamation
  566. 0:23:52 Unknown speaker and say a few words. Come on down.
  567. 0:23:57 Unknown speaker Hello.
  568. 0:23:58 Unknown speaker Oh, and if you could put on your I think
  569. 0:24:00 Unknown speaker it's the right button. There you go.
  570. 0:24:03 Unknown speaker Hello. Can you hear me?
  571. 0:24:03 Unknown speaker Yes.
  572. 0:24:04 Unknown speaker Okay. Hello. Uh, thank you, mayor.
  573. 0:24:06 Unknown speaker Again, my name is Joanne. I am a victim
  574. 0:24:08 Unknown speaker advocate with Longmont PD. Um, we work
  575. 0:24:11 Unknown speaker with countless um calls for domestic
  576. 0:24:14 Unknown speaker violence and when I was told that we
  577. 0:24:17 Unknown speaker could share a few words, there wasn't
  578. 0:24:18 Unknown speaker many that came to mind. Um, but I
  579. 0:24:20 Unknown speaker specifically had a call today with one
  580. 0:24:22 Unknown speaker of the victims I served for over the
  581. 0:24:24 Unknown speaker past three months. And she shared along
  582. 0:24:26 Unknown speaker with a lot of other victims that I've
  583. 0:24:28 Unknown speaker worked with how isolating this
  584. 0:24:30 Unknown speaker experience can be, how there's a lot of
  585. 0:24:32 Unknown speaker shame and embarrassment attached to
  586. 0:24:34 Unknown speaker intimate partner violence. And so I
  587. 0:24:37 Unknown speaker think what is important for us as a
  588. 0:24:38 Unknown speaker community is to check in with our
  589. 0:24:40 Unknown speaker neighbors, with our brothers, our
  590. 0:24:42 Unknown speaker sisters, our sons and daughters, and
  591. 0:24:44 Unknown speaker just see how they're doing. um a lot of
  592. 0:24:47 Unknown speaker victims of domestic violence uh are um
  593. 0:24:50 Unknown speaker suffering in silence and I think it's
  594. 0:24:52 Unknown speaker important for us as a community to check
  595. 0:24:54 Unknown speaker in with our loved ones. So if there's
  596. 0:24:56 Unknown speaker anybody that comes to mind um please
  597. 0:24:59 Unknown speaker feel free to reach out to them and know
  598. 0:25:02 Unknown speaker that there are resources available. We
  599. 0:25:04 Unknown speaker do have Levi uh Longmont Ending Violence
  600. 0:25:06 Unknown speaker Initiative with the city of Longmont.
  601. 0:25:09 Unknown speaker That is a confidential resource. So, if
  602. 0:25:12 Unknown speaker you do not want to report to the police,
  603. 0:25:14 Unknown speaker there are still confidential resources
  604. 0:25:16 Unknown speaker available for you and your family
  605. 0:25:17 Unknown speaker members. Thank you.
  606. 0:25:19 Unknown speaker Uh, great. Thank you. Did you want to
  607. 0:25:20 Unknown speaker take a picture with us or you good?
  608. 0:25:22 Unknown speaker I think I'm okay. Thank you. [laughter]
  609. 0:25:25 Unknown speaker That is all right. Okay. So, we are now
  610. 0:25:27 Unknown speaker on to public invited to be heard. Um,
  611. 0:25:30 Unknown speaker the first name on the list is
  612. 0:25:32 Unknown speaker Christopherus.
  613. 0:25:35 Unknown speaker Anus.
  614. 0:25:36 Unknown speaker An
  615. 0:25:38 Unknown speaker Okay.
  616. 0:25:40 Unknown speaker Yeah. But if you could just repeat your
  617. 0:25:41 Unknown speaker name. I'm up. Ains. Okay. When you get
  618. 0:25:44 Unknown speaker to the mic.
  619. 0:25:45 Unknown speaker Thank you. No, thank you. I apologize.
  620. 0:25:48 Unknown speaker Um, and you have three minutes.
  621. 0:25:52 Unknown speaker All right. Good evening, mayor and
  622. 0:25:53 Unknown speaker members of city council. My name is
  623. 0:25:54 Unknown speaker Christopher Ains and I'm here tonight
  624. 0:25:56 Unknown speaker representing North Side Towing. Also
  625. 0:25:58 Unknown speaker doing business as Blue Sky Towing,
  626. 0:25:59 Unknown speaker American Towing, and North Side Towing.
  627. 0:26:02 Unknown speaker North Side Towing has been serving
  628. 0:26:04 Unknown speaker Longmont and Northern Colorado for more
  629. 0:26:06 Unknown speaker than 40 years. During that time, we have
  630. 0:26:08 Unknown speaker grown alongside this community and been
  631. 0:26:10 Unknown speaker and have become a part of public safety
  632. 0:26:12 Unknown speaker and transportation infrastructure for
  633. 0:26:14 Unknown speaker that Longmont relies on. When there's an
  634. 0:26:17 Unknown speaker accident, disabled vehicle blocking the
  635. 0:26:19 Unknown speaker roadway, commercial truck incident, law
  636. 0:26:20 Unknown speaker enforcement
  637. 0:26:22 Unknown speaker requesting a vehicle removed and secured
  638. 0:26:24 Unknown speaker story or securely stored
  639. 0:26:28 Unknown speaker or an emergency lockout assist for
  640. 0:26:30 Unknown speaker children, animals. Companies like ours
  641. 0:26:31 Unknown speaker are called to respond. We operate 247,
  642. 0:26:34 Unknown speaker 365. Our employees work nights, days,
  643. 0:26:37 Unknown speaker holidays, and severe weather events
  644. 0:26:39 Unknown speaker alongside police, fire, and Colorado
  645. 0:26:41 Unknown speaker State Patrol along with other emergency
  646. 0:26:43 Unknown speaker responders to clear to help clear the
  647. 0:26:44 Unknown speaker roadways and keep public safe. Today,
  648. 0:26:47 Unknown speaker North Side Towing is facing a
  649. 0:26:48 Unknown speaker significant challenge. Our current
  650. 0:26:49 Unknown speaker operation at 10 South Main Street, Unit
  651. 0:26:51 Unknown speaker G, is being affected by the city of
  652. 0:26:53 Unknown speaker Longmont's first and main redevelopment
  653. 0:26:55 Unknown speaker project. We understand and respect the
  654. 0:26:57 Unknown speaker city's efforts to improve the
  655. 0:26:59 Unknown speaker redevelopment in this area, and we are
  656. 0:27:01 Unknown speaker not here to stand in the way of the
  657. 0:27:02 Unknown speaker progress. However, we were giving we've
  658. 0:27:04 Unknown speaker been given a deadline to vacate the
  659. 0:27:06 Unknown speaker current location, which means we must
  660. 0:27:08 Unknown speaker identify permit and prepare a s suitable
  661. 0:27:11 Unknown speaker replacement property with in a very
  662. 0:27:13 Unknown speaker limited amount of time. Rec relocating a
  663. 0:27:16 Unknown speaker towing and law enforcement vehicle
  664. 0:27:17 Unknown speaker storage operation is not as simple as
  665. 0:27:19 Unknown speaker leasing a commercial building. We
  666. 0:27:22 Unknown speaker require secure outdoor storage.
  667. 0:27:26 Unknown speaker Sorry,
  668. 0:27:27 Unknown speaker you're fine. Um,
  669. 0:27:30 Unknown speaker proper access for large tow trucks and
  670. 0:27:32 Unknown speaker heavy duty recovery equipment.
  671. 0:27:33 Unknown speaker Appropriate zoning and location that
  672. 0:27:35 Unknown speaker allows us to continue responding quickly
  673. 0:27:37 Unknown speaker to law enforcement and the public.
  674. 0:27:39 Unknown speaker Suitable properties that meet this
  675. 0:27:40 Unknown speaker requirement are limited within Longmont.
  676. 0:27:43 Unknown speaker We've been working diligently to
  677. 0:27:44 Unknown speaker identify locations that allow us to
  678. 0:27:46 Unknown speaker continue operating while minimizing
  679. 0:27:48 Unknown speaker impacts on neighboring properties. Some
  680. 0:27:51 Unknown speaker of these locations require secondary
  681. 0:27:52 Unknown speaker conditional use approval because our
  682. 0:27:55 Unknown speaker relocation because our relocation is
  683. 0:27:57 Unknown speaker being
  684. 0:27:58 Unknown speaker I am sorry to interrupt.
  685. 0:27:59 Unknown speaker No, that's all right.
  686. 0:28:00 Unknown speaker I believe this is an upcoming
  687. 0:28:02 Unknown speaker application on a quasi judicial matter
  688. 0:28:04 Unknown speaker so should not be spoken about during
  689. 0:28:07 Unknown speaker public comment.
  690. 0:28:08 Unknown speaker Okay.
  691. 0:28:09 Unknown speaker During your hearing. Yeah.
  692. 0:28:10 Unknown speaker Okay.
  693. 0:28:11 Unknown speaker It's in our council rules of procedure.
  694. 0:28:12 Unknown speaker Great. Yes.
  695. 0:28:14 Unknown speaker No. Okay. Well, we are
  696. 0:28:16 Unknown speaker Yes. Trying to get
  697. 0:28:17 Unknown speaker No, I understand. Thank you.
  698. 0:28:19 Unknown speaker Awesome. Appreciate it. Thank you,
  699. 0:28:20 Unknown speaker Eugene. Um, next person on the list, Tom
  700. 0:28:23 Unknown speaker Smith.
  701. 0:28:50 Unknown speaker Are you ready?
  702. 0:28:52 Unknown speaker I believe it's on.
  703. 0:28:53 Unknown speaker Yep.
  704. 0:28:54 Unknown speaker Go ahead.
  705. 0:28:54 Unknown speaker Thank you very much. I appreciate the
  706. 0:28:56 Unknown speaker opportunity to address the group
  707. 0:28:58 Unknown speaker tonight. Uh some of you recognize me,
  708. 0:29:00 Unknown speaker some of you don't recognize me with a
  709. 0:29:02 Unknown speaker cane, but uh I think I'll get through
  710. 0:29:04 Unknown speaker this. I want to thank some of the very
  711. 0:29:07 Unknown speaker helpful, patient, understanding city
  712. 0:29:09 Unknown speaker employees as well as all of the who
  713. 0:29:12 Unknown speaker serve or put your time in engaging and
  714. 0:29:15 Unknown speaker serving Longmont. What I wish to speak
  715. 0:29:18 Unknown speaker about is the initial
  716. 0:29:21 Unknown speaker reading on 8513,
  717. 0:29:23 Unknown speaker but not so much the
  718. 0:29:26 Unknown speaker proposal as much as the processes.
  719. 0:29:30 Unknown speaker They have been an extreme incumbrance
  720. 0:29:33 Unknown speaker for myself and others that we set out
  721. 0:29:37 Unknown speaker with an initial plan to protect our
  722. 0:29:41 Unknown speaker subdivision from adverse effects. I have
  723. 0:29:45 Unknown speaker five sentences I would read and I've got
  724. 0:29:48 Unknown speaker some handouts. I've got a set for the
  725. 0:29:51 Unknown speaker city clerk, the mayor, and my wards
  726. 0:29:53 Unknown speaker representative. Our [clears throat]
  727. 0:29:55 Unknown speaker number one concern that I object with is
  728. 0:29:59 Unknown speaker the improper resoning of the Champion
  729. 0:30:02 Unknown speaker Green subdivision.
  730. 0:30:04 Unknown speaker In the documentation, you'll see a
  731. 0:30:05 Unknown speaker number of steps that the city omitted,
  732. 0:30:08 Unknown speaker overlooked, or did not comply with.
  733. 0:30:11 Unknown speaker Number two, the omissions and missteps
  734. 0:30:14 Unknown speaker in Envision Longmont development and
  735. 0:30:17 Unknown speaker adop adoption. notification of
  736. 0:30:19 Unknown speaker homeowners request for the annexation or
  737. 0:30:24 Unknown speaker excuse me the change or some material
  738. 0:30:27 Unknown speaker change. I've asked for that information.
  739. 0:30:30 Unknown speaker The city has not been able to provide
  740. 0:30:32 Unknown speaker any of those things. [clears throat] The
  741. 0:30:34 Unknown speaker initial approval to direct city staff to
  742. 0:30:38 Unknown speaker start investigating and proceeding with
  743. 0:30:40 Unknown speaker this
  744. 0:30:42 Unknown speaker was done improperly. Many of you will
  745. 0:30:45 Unknown speaker remember the incorrect address was
  746. 0:30:47 Unknown speaker given. I actually found and some of you
  747. 0:30:51 Unknown speaker received a copy of a city map showing
  748. 0:30:53 Unknown speaker the address provided was outside the
  749. 0:30:56 Unknown speaker planning area and expansion and there
  750. 0:31:00 Unknown speaker were a number of mistakes repeated
  751. 0:31:03 Unknown speaker including our subdivision being in an
  752. 0:31:05 Unknown speaker area of change when envision says it's
  753. 0:31:08 Unknown speaker stability. the [sighs]
  754. 0:31:11 Unknown speaker uncooperative unresponsiveness to
  755. 0:31:14 Unknown speaker information request varies. You'll see
  756. 0:31:17 Unknown speaker in what I offer you to those three and
  757. 0:31:20 Unknown speaker you're welcome to share it. Don uh
  758. 0:31:22 Unknown speaker identifies things that were overlooked.
  759. 0:31:27 Unknown speaker Uh, and I don't really give you a list
  760. 0:31:30 Unknown speaker of any demands as much as I give you
  761. 0:31:32 Unknown speaker requests and opportunities and options
  762. 0:31:36 Unknown speaker to correct this with theme of let's make
  763. 0:31:39 Unknown speaker Longmont better. And there have been a
  764. 0:31:42 Unknown speaker number of things that have not been done
  765. 0:31:44 Unknown speaker properly. Uh, I have a Freedom of
  766. 0:31:47 Unknown speaker Information Act in which a senior city
  767. 0:31:50 Unknown speaker employee told staffers not to have
  768. 0:31:53 Unknown speaker contact with me because of some apparent
  769. 0:31:57 Unknown speaker uh oblivious terrible conflict.
  770. 0:32:00 Unknown speaker That's time.
  771. 0:32:00 Unknown speaker I'll walk up and give those three people
  772. 0:32:02 Unknown speaker these handouts.
  773. 0:32:04 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  774. 0:32:04 Unknown speaker Um,
  775. 0:32:05 Unknown speaker okay.
  776. 0:32:06 Unknown speaker To um Yeah, to Don. Uh, Tracy Ivanzor.
  777. 0:32:14 Unknown speaker Mayor Alex
  778. 0:32:16 Unknown speaker Dawn. Thank you. Thank you.
  779. 0:32:19 Unknown speaker Uhhuh. Thank you.
  780. 0:32:26 Unknown speaker I need more space.
  781. 0:32:35 Unknown speaker Okay. Go ahead and begin.
  782. 0:32:36 Unknown speaker Okay. Good evening. They I'm here again.
  783. 0:32:39 Unknown speaker Practice makes perfect. So, I'm just
  784. 0:32:41 Unknown speaker going to keep practicing. But actually,
  785. 0:32:42 Unknown speaker I can see you have a very busy agenda.
  786. 0:32:44 Unknown speaker But I just wanted to come up and say the
  787. 0:32:46 Unknown speaker last time I was here, I was talking
  788. 0:32:47 Unknown speaker about cell phones. And I wanted to thank
  789. 0:32:50 Unknown speaker you all because I do feel like after the
  790. 0:32:52 Unknown speaker last time I came up here, you really
  791. 0:32:54 Unknown speaker worked hard to get to the problem. Find
  792. 0:32:57 Unknown speaker out. Sounds like the problem is bigger
  793. 0:32:59 Unknown speaker than we thought. So now it looks like
  794. 0:33:01 Unknown speaker you're working hard for the solution.
  795. 0:33:03 Unknown speaker And that's what I was going to encourage
  796. 0:33:04 Unknown speaker you to do. Just keep pushing for the
  797. 0:33:06 Unknown speaker solution. And I wanted to give all of
  798. 0:33:08 Unknown speaker you props because I do appreciate it.
  799. 0:33:09 Unknown speaker and we all appreciate you working hard
  800. 0:33:11 Unknown speaker on this.
  801. 0:33:12 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you.
  802. 0:33:12 Unknown speaker And I'll see you later.
  803. 0:33:13 Unknown speaker Yeah. See you later.
  804. 0:33:14 Unknown speaker See you later. Um I think second
  805. 0:33:16 Unknown speaker reading. Is that correct?
  806. 0:33:18 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Lance Whitaker.
  807. 0:33:38 Unknown speaker All right. Ready?
  808. 0:33:40 Unknown speaker Yep.
  809. 0:33:41 Unknown speaker All right. Let's finish that speech off.
  810. 0:33:44 Unknown speaker We are not advocating for reckless
  811. 0:33:46 Unknown speaker consumption of any substance.
  812. 0:33:48 Unknown speaker Responsibility is key. But as a
  813. 0:33:50 Unknown speaker community, we must base our policies on
  814. 0:33:52 Unknown speaker facts, not outdated propaganda. Alcohol
  815. 0:33:55 Unknown speaker shatters li families, fuels violence,
  816. 0:33:57 Unknown speaker and strains our emergency services.
  817. 0:34:00 Unknown speaker Cannabis offers a proven low-risk
  818. 0:34:02 Unknown speaker alternative that promotes relaxation,
  819. 0:34:04 Unknown speaker generates community revenue, and keeps
  820. 0:34:06 Unknown speaker our streets peaceful. It is time to
  821. 0:34:08 Unknown speaker retire the double standard for a safer,
  822. 0:34:10 Unknown speaker healthier community.
  823. 0:34:13 Unknown speaker Now,
  824. 0:34:15 Unknown speaker what you all have been waiting for.
  825. 0:34:18 Unknown speaker Today is National Taco Day, National
  826. 0:34:22 Unknown speaker Coaches Day, National Noodle Day,
  827. 0:34:24 Unknown speaker National Mad Hatter Day, National
  828. 0:34:28 Unknown speaker Plus-size Appreciation Day, National
  829. 0:34:31 Unknown speaker German American Day, National Orange
  830. 0:34:34 Unknown speaker Wine Day, and National Bring Fruit to
  831. 0:34:38 Unknown speaker Work Day. Maybe we could do that if we
  832. 0:34:40 Unknown speaker had fruit trees in parks.
  833. 0:34:43 Unknown speaker Thank you. Have a nice day.
  834. 0:34:45 Unknown speaker Thank you. You too. Um, next person,
  835. 0:34:47 Unknown speaker Stephen Uler.
  836. 0:34:58 Unknown speaker That ended up a lot quicker than I
  837. 0:34:59 Unknown speaker thought.
  838. 0:35:01 Unknown speaker Steve Aler, 1555 Taylor Drive. About the
  839. 0:35:05 Unknown speaker YMCA, I'd like to recommend the Steve
  840. 0:35:07 Unknown speaker Aluler Health for Life Rec Center.
  841. 0:35:11 Unknown speaker Just a little brevity there. Um,
  842. 0:35:15 Unknown speaker there was an article I was going to read
  843. 0:35:17 Unknown speaker about capitalism, but I think I'm going
  844. 0:35:20 Unknown speaker to hold off on that and keep this short
  845. 0:35:22 Unknown speaker because I know you guys have a really
  846. 0:35:23 Unknown speaker long night. Um,
  847. 0:35:26 Unknown speaker I'm of the belief that cities
  848. 0:35:30 Unknown speaker are not supposed to be owning property.
  849. 0:35:33 Unknown speaker There's nothing in the state
  850. 0:35:35 Unknown speaker constitution and to my knowledge,
  851. 0:35:38 Unknown speaker nothing in the incorporation of Longmont
  852. 0:35:41 Unknown speaker that says the city government should be
  853. 0:35:43 Unknown speaker owning and renting out property. That's
  854. 0:35:46 Unknown speaker not what you guys are supposed to be
  855. 0:35:47 Unknown speaker doing. Um, I would like to suggest that
  856. 0:35:51 Unknown speaker the city sell one of their properties
  857. 0:35:53 Unknown speaker and use that money to help balance the
  858. 0:35:56 Unknown speaker budget instead of raising taxes on
  859. 0:35:58 Unknown speaker everybody. We just had a year where our
  860. 0:36:00 Unknown speaker property taxes went up 30%. And there's
  861. 0:36:03 Unknown speaker several things on the ballot now to
  862. 0:36:05 Unknown speaker raise property taxes even more. And it'd
  863. 0:36:07 Unknown speaker be really nice if you guys would help
  864. 0:36:10 Unknown speaker the people of Longmont keep some of
  865. 0:36:12 Unknown speaker their money instead of always taking it
  866. 0:36:14 Unknown speaker for whatever theme of the week comes up.
  867. 0:36:17 Unknown speaker And I also wanted to mention that a
  868. 0:36:19 Unknown speaker couple years ago when I was up here, I
  869. 0:36:23 Unknown speaker brought up an idea of something that I
  870. 0:36:25 Unknown speaker experienced when I was in my 20s. And
  871. 0:36:28 Unknown speaker that was even in California.
  872. 0:36:31 Unknown speaker The first condo I had was in an
  873. 0:36:33 Unknown speaker apartment building that had been
  874. 0:36:35 Unknown speaker converted to condos. It was very
  875. 0:36:38 Unknown speaker inexpensive and you're always talking
  876. 0:36:40 Unknown speaker about having entrylevel pricing for
  877. 0:36:42 Unknown speaker people to get into the real estate
  878. 0:36:44 Unknown speaker market. And I suggested and I remember
  879. 0:36:47 Unknown speaker Harold saying it's something that might
  880. 0:36:48 Unknown speaker be able to be looked into and maybe it
  881. 0:36:51 Unknown speaker already had been to some level. Um but
  882. 0:36:54 Unknown speaker after two years I haven't heard anything
  883. 0:36:56 Unknown speaker else. So my suggestion again is find a
  884. 0:37:00 Unknown speaker building and maybe the owner is willing
  885. 0:37:02 Unknown speaker to sell it that is more than 10 years
  886. 0:37:04 Unknown speaker old. So we don't have the condo laws,
  887. 0:37:07 Unknown speaker the the new building. I I forget the
  888. 0:37:10 Unknown speaker correct legal term for it uh about all
  889. 0:37:13 Unknown speaker the laws why builders don't build condos
  890. 0:37:15 Unknown speaker because of their liability. But if you
  891. 0:37:18 Unknown speaker take an apartment building that's more
  892. 0:37:19 Unknown speaker than 10 years old and convert it, you
  893. 0:37:21 Unknown speaker should be able to skirt that law and
  894. 0:37:23 Unknown speaker then sell one or twobedroom apartments
  895. 0:37:25 Unknown speaker as condos and let some people in
  896. 0:37:28 Unknown speaker Longmont get into the housing market,
  897. 0:37:30 Unknown speaker the real estate market at a much lower
  898. 0:37:32 Unknown speaker price. So, I think that'd be something
  899. 0:37:34 Unknown speaker great to look into. Thank you.
  900. 0:37:38 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um Joanne, you your name is
  901. 0:37:41 Unknown speaker up up here. Did you want to speak? Okay.
  902. 0:37:44 Unknown speaker Because I thought it it was crossed off
  903. 0:37:45 Unknown speaker but I wasn't sure. Okay. Very good. Um,
  904. 0:37:48 Unknown speaker and Meg Thornbury.
  905. 0:38:08 Unknown speaker Hello everybody. It is that time of the
  906. 0:38:11 Unknown speaker month again where the second Monday is
  907. 0:38:13 Unknown speaker coming up and so the Visible Government
  908. 0:38:15 Unknown speaker League is having our social this
  909. 0:38:17 Unknown speaker upcoming Monday the 12th at St. Brain
  910. 0:38:20 Unknown speaker Cery here in Longmont from 7 to 900 p.m.
  911. 0:38:24 Unknown speaker Um and we invite you to come join us. We
  912. 0:38:26 Unknown speaker are going to have a special guest
  913. 0:38:28 Unknown speaker speaker to talk about cell coverage
  914. 0:38:30 Unknown speaker issues. So if you would like to uh speak
  915. 0:38:33 Unknown speaker with an expert, maybe ask some
  916. 0:38:35 Unknown speaker questions, um we have someone who's
  917. 0:38:37 Unknown speaker going to be joining us there for that.
  918. 0:38:39 Unknown speaker So, um, speaking of that, if you have
  919. 0:38:41 Unknown speaker filed any of the FCC complaints and
  920. 0:38:43 Unknown speaker would like to post those in our drive,
  921. 0:38:46 Unknown speaker we would love to host those. You can go
  922. 0:38:48 Unknown speaker to visiblegovernmentleague.org
  923. 0:38:52 Unknown speaker and you can find our Kora and FOYA
  924. 0:38:55 Unknown speaker requests that we have made around ALPRs.
  925. 0:38:58 Unknown speaker Um, and we will be hosting the FCC
  926. 0:39:00 Unknown speaker complaints there as well soon. So,
  927. 0:39:02 Unknown speaker please get in touch if you would like to
  928. 0:39:04 Unknown speaker share that data so we can keep
  929. 0:39:06 Unknown speaker everything in one place so we can know
  930. 0:39:08 Unknown speaker what we're all being told. So, um please
  931. 0:39:11 Unknown speaker come join us. We would love to do that.
  932. 0:39:12 Unknown speaker Um we are also getting into voting
  933. 0:39:15 Unknown speaker season. Um and I wanted to invite
  934. 0:39:17 Unknown speaker everybody to a party that we are going
  935. 0:39:19 Unknown speaker to be having at Drifters. Um please
  936. 0:39:21 Unknown speaker bring your ballot and we will be filling
  937. 0:39:23 Unknown speaker them out. You can vote however you would
  938. 0:39:25 Unknown speaker like, but this is for you to have
  939. 0:39:27 Unknown speaker discussions, to ask questions, um to
  940. 0:39:29 Unknown speaker just hang out with people and like let's
  941. 0:39:31 Unknown speaker make the democratic process fun. I don't
  942. 0:39:33 Unknown speaker know. We'll be filling them out and then
  943. 0:39:35 Unknown speaker we will go um march from there over to
  944. 0:39:37 Unknown speaker the ballot drop off box um near the DMV.
  945. 0:39:41 Unknown speaker So, we hope you can join us uh 18th at
  946. 0:39:43 Unknown speaker 3. There is also another fun thing
  947. 0:39:46 Unknown speaker happening on the 18th and that is the
  948. 0:39:48 Unknown speaker final community potluck for the cleanup
  949. 0:39:51 Unknown speaker cup. If you have not yet heard about the
  950. 0:39:54 Unknown speaker cleanup cup, it is a wonderful effort to
  951. 0:39:57 Unknown speaker go and clean up trash around town. If
  952. 0:39:59 Unknown speaker you want to get really competitive about
  953. 0:40:01 Unknown speaker it, you can clock your time and your
  954. 0:40:03 Unknown speaker weight. Um, right now my family is in
  955. 0:40:06 Unknown speaker third place just saying they will go for
  956. 0:40:09 Unknown speaker it there. It's like their new thing. So,
  957. 0:40:11 Unknown speaker it's a really great way to go and get
  958. 0:40:12 Unknown speaker everybody together, everybody outside
  959. 0:40:14 Unknown speaker doing some things. Um, you there is
  960. 0:40:17 Unknown speaker still time. There's still plenty of time
  961. 0:40:18 Unknown speaker to register. Again, you can log your
  962. 0:40:20 Unknown speaker data whenever. Collectively so far there
  963. 0:40:23 Unknown speaker have been 2,000 pounds of trash cleaned
  964. 0:40:25 Unknown speaker up around Longmont and people have
  965. 0:40:28 Unknown speaker donated over 250 hours in service. So
  966. 0:40:31 Unknown speaker this is a fantastic turnout. Um please
  967. 0:40:33 Unknown speaker invite anybody far and wide if you would
  968. 0:40:35 Unknown speaker like to as well. There's somebody from
  969. 0:40:37 Unknown speaker Sweden participating. Um you can do it
  970. 0:40:40 Unknown speaker while you're traveling and then log
  971. 0:40:41 Unknown speaker that. You get to see everybody on the
  972. 0:40:43 Unknown speaker map and it's really fun. So it's a great
  973. 0:40:45 Unknown speaker way for anyone at any age to come
  974. 0:40:47 Unknown speaker together and take collective action.
  975. 0:40:49 Unknown speaker When we start to care about the earth
  976. 0:40:50 Unknown speaker more, we start to care about each other
  977. 0:40:52 Unknown speaker more and the impacts that we
  978. 0:40:53 Unknown speaker individually have. So, in all of these
  979. 0:40:56 Unknown speaker community loving things, I hope you can
  980. 0:40:58 Unknown speaker join us at our VGL social and I hope
  981. 0:41:00 Unknown speaker that you can join us at Drifters and I
  982. 0:41:02 Unknown speaker hope that you can join us at the cleanup
  983. 0:41:04 Unknown speaker cup. Thanks.
  984. 0:41:05 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um and so again, the
  985. 0:41:08 Unknown speaker folks that did not provide their
  986. 0:41:10 Unknown speaker address, I will call you first and p um
  987. 0:41:12 Unknown speaker second um call public invited to be
  988. 0:41:14 Unknown speaker heard and we'll just go down the list.
  989. 0:41:16 Unknown speaker Um, so seeing no one else on the list, I
  990. 0:41:19 Unknown speaker will now close public invited to be
  991. 0:41:20 Unknown speaker heard. And we are now on to item nine,
  992. 0:41:24 Unknown speaker consent agenda and introduction by
  993. 0:41:25 Unknown speaker reading and reading by title of first
  994. 0:41:28 Unknown speaker reading ordinances. Um, Don, can you
  995. 0:41:30 Unknown speaker please read the consent agenda for the
  996. 0:41:32 Unknown speaker record?
  997. 0:41:33 Unknown speaker Absolutely, Mayor. The second reading
  998. 0:41:35 Unknown speaker and public hearing for all ordinances
  999. 0:41:36 Unknown speaker introduced on this consent agenda will
  1000. 0:41:38 Unknown speaker be held on October 20th, 2026. Item 9A
  1001. 0:41:42 Unknown speaker is ordinance 2026-65,
  1002. 0:41:44 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance fixing and
  1003. 0:41:46 Unknown speaker levying taxes upon the real and personal
  1004. 0:41:48 Unknown speaker property within the city of Longmont for
  1005. 0:41:50 Unknown speaker the year 2026 to pay budgeted city
  1006. 0:41:52 Unknown speaker expenses for the 2027 fiscal year. 9B is
  1007. 0:41:56 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-66,
  1008. 0:41:58 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance fixing and
  1009. 0:42:00 Unknown speaker levying taxes upon the real and personal
  1010. 0:42:01 Unknown speaker property within the Longmont Downtown
  1011. 0:42:03 Unknown speaker Development District for the year 2026
  1012. 0:42:06 Unknown speaker to pay budgeted expenses of the Longmont
  1013. 0:42:08 Unknown speaker Downtown Development Authority for the
  1014. 0:42:10 Unknown speaker 2027 fiscal year. 9C is ordinance
  1015. 0:42:13 Unknown speaker 2026-67, a bill for an ordinance making
  1016. 0:42:15 Unknown speaker additional appropriations for expenses
  1017. 0:42:18 Unknown speaker and liabilities of the city of Longmont
  1018. 0:42:19 Unknown speaker for the fiscal year beginning January
  1019. 0:42:21 Unknown speaker 1st, 2026.
  1020. 0:42:22 Unknown speaker and that is distinguished as the 13th
  1021. 0:42:24 Unknown speaker appropriation because the next item has
  1022. 0:42:26 Unknown speaker the same title. 9D is ordinance 2026-68,
  1023. 0:42:30 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance making
  1024. 0:42:31 Unknown speaker additional appropriations for expenses
  1025. 0:42:33 Unknown speaker and liabilities of the city of Longmont
  1026. 0:42:35 Unknown speaker for the fiscal year beginning January
  1027. 0:42:36 Unknown speaker 1st, 2026. That's the 14th
  1028. 0:42:38 Unknown speaker appropriation. 9E is ordinance 2026-69,
  1029. 0:42:42 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance conditionally
  1030. 0:42:43 Unknown speaker approving the 8513 St. Rain Road
  1031. 0:42:46 Unknown speaker annexation and concept plan. Generally
  1032. 0:42:48 Unknown speaker located east of Airport Road and north
  1033. 0:42:50 Unknown speaker of 9inth Avenue within the southeast
  1034. 0:42:51 Unknown speaker quarter of section 31, Township 3 North,
  1035. 0:42:54 Unknown speaker Range 69 West, and zoning the property
  1036. 0:42:57 Unknown speaker residential mixed neighborhood. 9F is
  1037. 0:42:59 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-70, bill for an ordinance
  1038. 0:43:02 Unknown speaker approving a development agreement with
  1039. 0:43:03 Unknown speaker Main Street Tibo LLC to coordinate
  1040. 0:43:05 Unknown speaker construction of the First and Main
  1041. 0:43:07 Unknown speaker Transit Center and a transit oriented
  1042. 0:43:08 Unknown speaker design project. 9G is ordinance 2026-71,
  1043. 0:43:12 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance amending section
  1044. 0:43:14 Unknown speaker 2.04 4 of the Longmont Municipal Code
  1045. 0:43:16 Unknown speaker regarding elections to remain consistent
  1046. 0:43:18 Unknown speaker with statutory election laws. 9H is
  1047. 0:43:21 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-72, a bill for an
  1048. 0:43:23 Unknown speaker ordinance amending chapter 2.44 of the
  1049. 0:43:26 Unknown speaker Longmont Municipal Code to abolish the
  1050. 0:43:27 Unknown speaker golf court advisory board. 9 I is
  1051. 0:43:30 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-73, a bill for an
  1052. 0:43:33 Unknown speaker ordinance approving the concept plan
  1053. 0:43:34 Unknown speaker amendment for a portion of the Walmart
  1054. 0:43:36 Unknown speaker retail center annexation phase 2 known
  1055. 0:43:38 Unknown speaker as the Copper Peak development generally
  1056. 0:43:40 Unknown speaker located at 2704 Main Street northeast of
  1057. 0:43:43 Unknown speaker US Highway 66 and east of US 28 287. 9J
  1058. 0:43:48 Unknown speaker is resolution 2026-69,
  1059. 0:43:51 Unknown speaker a resolution of Longmont City Council
  1060. 0:43:52 Unknown speaker designating the 2027 Sundance Film
  1061. 0:43:55 Unknown speaker Festival as a major regional event for
  1062. 0:43:57 Unknown speaker purposes of short-term rental licenses.
  1063. 0:43:59 Unknown speaker N9K is approved appointment of Daryl
  1064. 0:44:01 Unknown speaker Han, director of electric services to
  1065. 0:44:03 Unknown speaker the Plat River Power Authority Board of
  1066. 0:44:05 Unknown speaker Directors.
  1067. 0:44:06 Unknown speaker Okay. Oh my, the lights went up. Okay.
  1068. 0:44:09 Unknown speaker Oh boy. Um, Mayor Prom.
  1069. 0:44:17 Unknown speaker All right. Sorry. Thanks. Um, so, um,
  1070. 0:44:20 Unknown speaker I'd like to remove, uh, uh, E. Item E.
  1071. 0:44:24 Unknown speaker Do you want explanation?
  1072. 0:44:26 Unknown speaker Uh, nope. Okay.
  1073. 0:44:27 Unknown speaker Um, council member Marcine.
  1074. 0:44:30 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to pull item
  1075. 0:44:31 Unknown speaker I.
  1076. 0:44:32 Unknown speaker Item I. Okay. And council member Oh,
  1077. 0:44:36 Unknown speaker never mind. Okay. Wonderful. So, um, do
  1078. 0:44:40 Unknown speaker we have a motion to move the consent
  1079. 0:44:41 Unknown speaker agenda minus items E and I? Um, go ahead
  1080. 0:44:45 Unknown speaker and turn on your mic.
  1081. 0:44:48 Unknown speaker There you go. Go ahead.
  1082. 0:44:49 Unknown speaker All right. Uh, I move uh the consent
  1083. 0:44:51 Unknown speaker agenda minus items E and items I.
  1084. 0:44:56 Unknown speaker So, the motion has been made to accept
  1085. 0:44:58 Unknown speaker the consent agenda minus um except for
  1086. 0:45:00 Unknown speaker items E and I. Motion was made by Mayor
  1087. 0:45:02 Unknown speaker Prom McCoy, seconded by Council Member
  1088. 0:45:04 Unknown speaker Marcen. Seeing no one in the queue,
  1089. 0:45:06 Unknown speaker let's go ahead and vote.
  1090. 0:45:11 Unknown speaker Okay, that carries unanimously. We are
  1091. 0:45:13 Unknown speaker now on to ordinances on second reading
  1092. 0:45:17 Unknown speaker and public hearings on any matter. And
  1093. 0:45:20 Unknown speaker we have item Make sure that my notes
  1094. 0:45:22 Unknown speaker align. Um item A, ordinance 2026-63,
  1095. 0:45:27 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance amending chapter
  1096. 0:45:29 Unknown speaker 14.20 of the Longmont Municipal Code
  1097. 0:45:32 Unknown speaker concerning on bill financing and
  1098. 0:45:34 Unknown speaker repayment for eligible improvements
  1099. 0:45:35 Unknown speaker amended on first reading. Uh are there
  1100. 0:45:38 Unknown speaker any questions from council? Okay.
  1101. 0:45:41 Unknown speaker Council member Christ,
  1102. 0:45:49 Unknown speaker I'm having trouble seeing staff amongst
  1103. 0:45:51 Unknown speaker the office this crowd. Um,
  1104. 0:45:55 Unknown speaker uh, Mr. Smith is here,
  1105. 0:46:07 Unknown speaker Mr. Smith. Thank you. Um, I still have I
  1106. 0:46:11 Unknown speaker still have concerns uh about um section
  1107. 0:46:16 Unknown speaker three, which offers a service disconnect
  1108. 0:46:20 Unknown speaker um if there's a failure to pay. And I'm
  1109. 0:46:25 Unknown speaker wondering if we couldn't somehow
  1110. 0:46:28 Unknown speaker anything that is um improvement that is
  1111. 0:46:31 Unknown speaker enacted through the city if we couldn't
  1112. 0:46:33 Unknown speaker also make that through a third party so
  1113. 0:46:36 Unknown speaker that the two uh electric service and
  1114. 0:46:39 Unknown speaker payment of improvements are separate and
  1115. 0:46:41 Unknown speaker they don't affect service for the
  1116. 0:46:43 Unknown speaker customer.
  1117. 0:46:48 Unknown speaker Good evening mayor and um city council.
  1118. 0:46:51 Unknown speaker Um I
  1119. 0:46:53 Unknown speaker the so what we're proposing here is an
  1120. 0:46:56 Unknown speaker optional it's something that a a
  1121. 0:46:59 Unknown speaker customer would opt into. Um they
  1122. 0:47:01 Unknown speaker certainly have an option to seek
  1123. 0:47:04 Unknown speaker financing elsewhere. They could go
  1124. 0:47:05 Unknown speaker through a bank and and um secure that
  1125. 0:47:07 Unknown speaker financing if they wanted to. Um one of
  1126. 0:47:10 Unknown speaker the the advantages of this type of
  1127. 0:47:13 Unknown speaker program is the fact that it because it
  1128. 0:47:16 Unknown speaker is tied to your utility bill, the
  1129. 0:47:18 Unknown speaker default rate is very low. And so
  1130. 0:47:21 Unknown speaker favorable financing terms can be made.
  1131. 0:47:24 Unknown speaker Um but certainly anyone would have the
  1132. 0:47:27 Unknown speaker the option to instead of having it on
  1133. 0:47:30 Unknown speaker their utility bill to finance it
  1134. 0:47:31 Unknown speaker separately. Um
  1135. 0:47:35 Unknown speaker is is this intended to offer financing
  1136. 0:47:39 Unknown speaker to people that can't qualify for
  1137. 0:47:40 Unknown speaker financing? And could you give us an idea
  1138. 0:47:43 Unknown speaker of what um dollar amount we would be
  1139. 0:47:45 Unknown speaker talking about? And and that could be a
  1140. 0:47:47 Unknown speaker range.
  1141. 0:47:49 Unknown speaker Well, so what we're we're looking to
  1142. 0:47:51 Unknown speaker change code to um essentially allow
  1143. 0:47:55 Unknown speaker staff to look at developing programs. So
  1144. 0:47:57 Unknown speaker we don't have a specific program in mind
  1145. 0:47:59 Unknown speaker at this point. So we don't have those
  1146. 0:48:02 Unknown speaker specific thresholds. Um on bill
  1147. 0:48:06 Unknown speaker repayment programs typically um will
  1148. 0:48:09 Unknown speaker allow folks with lower credit scores to
  1149. 0:48:12 Unknown speaker participate in programs that they
  1150. 0:48:13 Unknown speaker wouldn't otherwise be able to
  1151. 0:48:15 Unknown speaker participate in.
  1152. 0:48:18 Unknown speaker Okay. And you have an idea of what type
  1153. 0:48:19 Unknown speaker of improvements you'd want to include?
  1154. 0:48:22 Unknown speaker That might give us an idea of what we're
  1155. 0:48:23 Unknown speaker talking about here.
  1156. 0:48:24 Unknown speaker Yes. I'd ask Susan Bartlett to to talk
  1157. 0:48:27 Unknown speaker about.
  1158. 0:48:30 Unknown speaker Good evening, mayor, city council
  1159. 0:48:32 Unknown speaker members. I'm Susan Bartlett, director of
  1160. 0:48:34 Unknown speaker energy strategies and solutions at LPC.
  1161. 0:48:37 Unknown speaker And um generally the types of product
  1162. 0:48:40 Unknown speaker projects that are approved for this kind
  1163. 0:48:42 Unknown speaker of program are projects that are going
  1164. 0:48:44 Unknown speaker to create efficiencies in the home. So
  1165. 0:48:48 Unknown speaker insulation, air sealing, um
  1166. 0:48:53 Unknown speaker potentially HVAC equipment,
  1167. 0:48:56 Unknown speaker um refrigerated air, that kind of thing.
  1168. 0:49:00 Unknown speaker And the idea is that we want customers
  1169. 0:49:04 Unknown speaker to install projects that over time lower
  1170. 0:49:07 Unknown speaker their utility bills. They're not all
  1171. 0:49:10 Unknown speaker guaranteed to do that, but that's the
  1172. 0:49:12 Unknown speaker idea. So, we want to be able to help
  1173. 0:49:13 Unknown speaker people to finance that that might not be
  1174. 0:49:16 Unknown speaker able to finance it through other means.
  1175. 0:49:21 Unknown speaker Would you then
  1176. 0:49:23 Unknown speaker choose the payments in such a way that
  1177. 0:49:26 Unknown speaker they would make up that gap? In other
  1178. 0:49:28 Unknown speaker words, you would still be paying the
  1179. 0:49:31 Unknown speaker same amount as you normally would on
  1180. 0:49:32 Unknown speaker your on your um electric bill, but um
  1181. 0:49:37 Unknown speaker would also be paying off some
  1182. 0:49:39 Unknown speaker improvement. Do you see what I'm saying?
  1183. 0:49:41 Unknown speaker I'm just concerned that their bills
  1184. 0:49:43 Unknown speaker might get too large for them to pay.
  1185. 0:49:47 Unknown speaker Potentially, their bills could be larger
  1186. 0:49:49 Unknown speaker than their regular utility bills. um
  1187. 0:49:52 Unknown speaker each project with programs like this and
  1188. 0:49:54 Unknown speaker again um Lance mentioned that we would
  1189. 0:49:57 Unknown speaker want to develop the particulars for a
  1190. 0:50:00 Unknown speaker program uh in the future but
  1191. 0:50:03 Unknown speaker traditionally programs like this there's
  1192. 0:50:05 Unknown speaker an approval process for each project
  1193. 0:50:08 Unknown speaker that's submitted and then staff or the
  1194. 0:50:11 Unknown speaker third party lender evaluates that
  1195. 0:50:13 Unknown speaker project based on its payback period. So
  1196. 0:50:17 Unknown speaker if the project is very expensive and it
  1197. 0:50:20 Unknown speaker takes a long term to pay back, that
  1198. 0:50:22 Unknown speaker project may not be approved for funding.
  1199. 0:50:25 Unknown speaker So we don't want people to to get into
  1200. 0:50:28 Unknown speaker trouble as a result of these projects.
  1201. 0:50:30 Unknown speaker We want them to install things that will
  1202. 0:50:33 Unknown speaker um provide some improvement to their
  1203. 0:50:35 Unknown speaker property, but also over time lower the
  1204. 0:50:38 Unknown speaker operating costs of their homes.
  1205. 0:50:40 Unknown speaker Yeah, I think it's a worthy cause, you
  1206. 0:50:43 Unknown speaker know, and I like the idea of it. I just
  1207. 0:50:45 Unknown speaker am concerned that if
  1208. 0:50:47 Unknown speaker life changes happen and they fall behind
  1209. 0:50:50 Unknown speaker on those repayments that they would then
  1210. 0:50:53 Unknown speaker also lose electric service which is very
  1211. 0:50:55 Unknown speaker important u and creates a crisis for
  1212. 0:50:58 Unknown speaker some families. So I would like to
  1213. 0:51:00 Unknown speaker somehow debundle that and
  1214. 0:51:05 Unknown speaker still protect the city but also protect
  1215. 0:51:08 Unknown speaker the the rateayer as well. I think that's
  1216. 0:51:12 Unknown speaker something that would we can take into
  1217. 0:51:14 Unknown speaker consideration as Lance mentioned. Um,
  1218. 0:51:16 Unknown speaker part of the beauty of something like
  1219. 0:51:18 Unknown speaker this is being able to bundle a payment,
  1220. 0:51:21 Unknown speaker a lower payment than you might get with
  1221. 0:51:23 Unknown speaker traditional financing onto your utility
  1222. 0:51:26 Unknown speaker bills. So, it's a little easier to pay
  1223. 0:51:29 Unknown speaker and um as part of your normal bill
  1224. 0:51:32 Unknown speaker payment process. Um there are other
  1225. 0:51:36 Unknown speaker financing mechanisms available in the
  1226. 0:51:38 Unknown speaker state for renewable energy projects.
  1227. 0:51:41 Unknown speaker They may have higher interest rates or
  1228. 0:51:43 Unknown speaker they may have different terms and again
  1229. 0:51:45 Unknown speaker we don't have the terms worked out for a
  1230. 0:51:48 Unknown speaker particular program. That would be part
  1231. 0:51:49 Unknown speaker of later development. Um but this
  1232. 0:51:52 Unknown speaker certainly wouldn't be the only
  1233. 0:51:53 Unknown speaker opportunity for uh for customers to do
  1234. 0:51:57 Unknown speaker this. But then that lending is outside
  1235. 0:51:59 Unknown speaker of the traditional payment
  1236. 0:52:03 Unknown speaker uh plan that encourages um higher
  1237. 0:52:07 Unknown speaker execution on a loan. I don't know if
  1238. 0:52:09 Unknown speaker that's the right terminology or not.
  1239. 0:52:12 Unknown speaker Yeah. Your proposal though offers also
  1240. 0:52:14 Unknown speaker third-party
  1241. 0:52:16 Unknown speaker um installation I guess in payments and
  1242. 0:52:19 Unknown speaker that is not necessarily bundled with
  1243. 0:52:21 Unknown speaker service dis disconnection because it's a
  1244. 0:52:23 Unknown speaker third party um group if the way I read
  1245. 0:52:26 Unknown speaker your
  1246. 0:52:27 Unknown speaker I'm not sure I understand your
  1247. 0:52:28 Unknown speaker well I'm just reading your ordinance and
  1248. 0:52:31 Unknown speaker um
  1249. 0:52:33 Unknown speaker I think I would have to bring it up but
  1250. 0:52:35 Unknown speaker it seems to say and I'm just
  1251. 0:52:38 Unknown speaker paraphrasing here that if it's a third
  1252. 0:52:39 Unknown speaker party that you're you're remitting
  1253. 0:52:42 Unknown speaker you're emitting payments to that um that
  1254. 0:52:46 Unknown speaker doesn't lead to service disconnection if
  1255. 0:52:49 Unknown speaker there's a a lack of payment there.
  1256. 0:52:54 Unknown speaker It's or are you saying it should say
  1257. 0:52:56 Unknown speaker that
  1258. 0:52:57 Unknown speaker it falls under section three as well?
  1259. 0:52:59 Unknown speaker It is certainly easier for a municipal
  1260. 0:53:02 Unknown speaker government to use the mechanisms for
  1261. 0:53:05 Unknown speaker payment if the municipal government is
  1262. 0:53:08 Unknown speaker the lending organization.
  1263. 0:53:11 Unknown speaker However, um the city of Longmont may
  1264. 0:53:14 Unknown speaker choose not to be the lending
  1265. 0:53:16 Unknown speaker organization to take advantage of a
  1266. 0:53:18 Unknown speaker third party that could already provide
  1267. 0:53:21 Unknown speaker that administrative um role for us. In
  1268. 0:53:25 Unknown speaker which case, we would need to address
  1269. 0:53:27 Unknown speaker that um when we're developing the
  1270. 0:53:29 Unknown speaker program with that third party.
  1271. 0:53:31 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we have a lot of issues that
  1272. 0:53:34 Unknown speaker we just haven't ironed out yet, but you
  1273. 0:53:36 Unknown speaker will take this under consideration and
  1274. 0:53:38 Unknown speaker bring it back to us with with some
  1275. 0:53:41 Unknown speaker suggestions as to how we could
  1276. 0:53:43 Unknown speaker So, are I'm sorry. Are you asking for an
  1277. 0:53:45 Unknown speaker amendment or are you asking for further
  1278. 0:53:47 Unknown speaker development when there's an opportunity
  1279. 0:53:49 Unknown speaker to
  1280. 0:53:50 Unknown speaker I'm asking for this to be considered
  1281. 0:53:52 Unknown speaker when you are creating further
  1282. 0:53:55 Unknown speaker development?
  1283. 0:53:56 Unknown speaker Absolutely.
  1284. 0:53:57 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1285. 0:53:58 Unknown speaker All right. Thank you.
  1286. 0:54:00 Unknown speaker Thank you. So, um, Council Member
  1287. 0:54:02 Unknown speaker Prietto,
  1288. 0:54:04 Unknown speaker thank you, Mayor. Um, I I love the
  1289. 0:54:06 Unknown speaker intent of this idea and I understand
  1290. 0:54:08 Unknown speaker that it's kind of just conceptual right
  1291. 0:54:10 Unknown speaker now in order to just like look at what
  1292. 0:54:12 Unknown speaker grants are available and how we can
  1293. 0:54:14 Unknown speaker access this funding and what programs we
  1294. 0:54:16 Unknown speaker can build to make this accessible to
  1295. 0:54:17 Unknown speaker residents. I'm with uh, Council Member
  1296. 0:54:20 Unknown speaker Chris on this. I don't like that
  1297. 0:54:22 Unknown speaker disconnection piece at all. And when we
  1298. 0:54:24 Unknown speaker factor in potential raises on rates in
  1299. 0:54:27 Unknown speaker the future, hopefully by not not by this
  1300. 0:54:30 Unknown speaker council, but I'm assuming it will happen
  1301. 0:54:32 Unknown speaker again. It just continues to grow their
  1302. 0:54:34 Unknown speaker bill. Um, in addition, I don't think um
  1303. 0:54:37 Unknown speaker to my fellow council members, I don't
  1304. 0:54:39 Unknown speaker think that this is business that the
  1305. 0:54:40 Unknown speaker city should be dabbling in. I feel like
  1306. 0:54:42 Unknown speaker our utility department is our utility
  1307. 0:54:44 Unknown speaker department and it has enough
  1308. 0:54:47 Unknown speaker complexities in itself and I feel like
  1309. 0:54:50 Unknown speaker the time and energy and resources can be
  1310. 0:54:52 Unknown speaker spent on how do we reduce people's bills
  1311. 0:54:55 Unknown speaker versus um and I know that this would
  1312. 0:54:58 Unknown speaker essentially reduce it but when we look
  1313. 0:55:00 Unknown speaker at financing and the amount of years
  1314. 0:55:02 Unknown speaker longevity is someone going to still live
  1315. 0:55:04 Unknown speaker there who's going to repair that
  1316. 0:55:06 Unknown speaker equipment does that go in with the
  1317. 0:55:08 Unknown speaker program it it just doesn't seem clean to
  1318. 0:55:10 Unknown speaker me and and we're already talking about a
  1319. 0:55:12 Unknown speaker lean staff here within the city and
  1320. 0:55:15 Unknown speaker capacity issues already and so to me it
  1321. 0:55:18 Unknown speaker just doesn't seem like a good idea. So
  1322. 0:55:19 Unknown speaker I'm going to be voting no on this today.
  1323. 0:55:22 Unknown speaker Um thank you council member Kopper.
  1324. 0:55:25 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. Um just out of
  1325. 0:55:27 Unknown speaker curiosity did staff bring this up or was
  1326. 0:55:29 Unknown speaker this a council initiative?
  1327. 0:55:33 Unknown speaker Uh staff brought this up. We had an
  1328. 0:55:36 Unknown speaker opportunity earlier earlier in the year
  1329. 0:55:39 Unknown speaker to work with the developer um to install
  1330. 0:55:42 Unknown speaker some solar. Uh once we were able to work
  1331. 0:55:46 Unknown speaker through uh the implications of the
  1332. 0:55:49 Unknown speaker arrangement with legal um we got some
  1333. 0:55:52 Unknown speaker advice that perhaps that was not the
  1334. 0:55:54 Unknown speaker best approach for us. But also it was an
  1335. 0:55:58 Unknown speaker opportunity for us to say if we want to
  1336. 0:56:00 Unknown speaker do this, could we given the municipal
  1337. 0:56:03 Unknown speaker code that we have in place right now,
  1338. 0:56:05 Unknown speaker could we have taken advantage of an
  1339. 0:56:06 Unknown speaker opportunity to to try something like
  1340. 0:56:08 Unknown speaker that out? So this is sort of a follow on
  1341. 0:56:12 Unknown speaker to our municipal code to make sure that
  1342. 0:56:14 Unknown speaker when an opportunity does present itself,
  1343. 0:56:17 Unknown speaker we we have the code in place to allow us
  1344. 0:56:20 Unknown speaker to explore it.
  1345. 0:56:21 Unknown speaker Becky, so you were wanting to jump on
  1346. 0:56:23 Unknown speaker the mic.
  1347. 0:56:24 Unknown speaker I did want to jump in there. Good
  1348. 0:56:25 Unknown speaker evening, mayor and council. Um, I I
  1349. 0:56:28 Unknown speaker would also add while while the timing of
  1350. 0:56:30 Unknown speaker this was spurred by a, you know, a
  1351. 0:56:32 Unknown speaker potential program opportunity, this has
  1352. 0:56:34 Unknown speaker been a recommendation that was included
  1353. 0:56:36 Unknown speaker in our climate action recommendations
  1354. 0:56:38 Unknown speaker report from or maybe it was the
  1355. 0:56:40 Unknown speaker beneficial electrific. It's in a plan
  1356. 0:56:42 Unknown speaker that was approved by council at a
  1357. 0:56:44 Unknown speaker previous time. Um, and so, you know, now
  1358. 0:56:46 Unknown speaker we're bringing forward the enabling
  1359. 0:56:48 Unknown speaker language for that so that we could, you
  1360. 0:56:50 Unknown speaker know, do do a program um, if we found
  1361. 0:56:53 Unknown speaker one that met the needs of the community.
  1362. 0:56:55 Unknown speaker And with current staff, do you have
  1363. 0:56:57 Unknown speaker enough bandwidth to take on this
  1364. 0:56:58 Unknown speaker project?
  1365. 0:57:02 Unknown speaker It depends. I know that's not a great
  1366. 0:57:05 Unknown speaker answer. It depends on um what what the
  1367. 0:57:08 Unknown speaker development of that program looks like.
  1368. 0:57:10 Unknown speaker Would we take it on ourselves? would we
  1369. 0:57:13 Unknown speaker uh partner with a thirdparty lending
  1370. 0:57:16 Unknown speaker organization?
  1371. 0:57:18 Unknown speaker Um, you know, those are things that we
  1372. 0:57:20 Unknown speaker would work out. And I'll just say that I
  1373. 0:57:22 Unknown speaker appreciate the feedback from council on
  1374. 0:57:25 Unknown speaker what kinds of things you have concern
  1375. 0:57:27 Unknown speaker about and that gives us good information
  1376. 0:57:31 Unknown speaker to take back with us as we vet
  1377. 0:57:33 Unknown speaker opportunities that come through.
  1378. 0:57:35 Unknown speaker Yeah. And one of the things since I
  1379. 0:57:37 Unknown speaker Yes,
  1380. 0:57:37 Unknown speaker of course. Mhm.
  1381. 0:57:38 Unknown speaker Um, as we stated the last time, this is
  1382. 0:57:40 Unknown speaker merely the enabling ordinance that then
  1383. 0:57:42 Unknown speaker allows us to take the next steps to
  1384. 0:57:44 Unknown speaker develop the program.
  1385. 0:57:46 Unknown speaker In development of the program, when
  1386. 0:57:48 Unknown speaker we're talking about things like staff
  1387. 0:57:50 Unknown speaker capacity, one of the things that I'm
  1388. 0:57:52 Unknown speaker going to be very mindful of is not
  1389. 0:57:54 Unknown speaker developing a program that exceeds staff
  1390. 0:57:56 Unknown speaker capacity. And so if that means that
  1391. 0:57:59 Unknown speaker we're going to need more staff capacity,
  1392. 0:58:01 Unknown speaker then they're going to need to push into
  1393. 0:58:02 Unknown speaker looking at partnerships with other third
  1394. 0:58:05 Unknown speaker parties to provide that services because
  1395. 0:58:08 Unknown speaker the last thing that I want to do is add
  1396. 0:58:10 Unknown speaker staff capacity for this type of project
  1397. 0:58:12 Unknown speaker that really at the end of the day is on
  1398. 0:58:15 Unknown speaker the backs of the rateayers. So in
  1399. 0:58:17 Unknown speaker developing that, we're going to be very
  1400. 0:58:19 Unknown speaker mindful of staff capacity in terms of
  1401. 0:58:21 Unknown speaker the path that we choose to move forward
  1402. 0:58:23 Unknown speaker on. And I see this as an entry for folks
  1403. 0:58:26 Unknown speaker to make home improvements that couldn't
  1404. 0:58:28 Unknown speaker otherwise do it. Um it it's weird for a
  1405. 0:58:31 Unknown speaker utility to say that we are wanting to
  1406. 0:58:33 Unknown speaker lower people's bills. Um but I see that
  1407. 0:58:36 Unknown speaker there could be some situations where,
  1408. 0:58:40 Unknown speaker you know, depending on the improvements
  1409. 0:58:41 Unknown speaker that are made, their utility bill might
  1410. 0:58:44 Unknown speaker go low enough that the repayment is
  1411. 0:58:47 Unknown speaker still less than what they were paying
  1412. 0:58:49 Unknown speaker before.
  1413. 0:58:50 Unknown speaker So for me, this this seems like it's
  1414. 0:58:53 Unknown speaker moving us in the right directions toward
  1415. 0:58:55 Unknown speaker climate goals. It's helping people who
  1416. 0:58:57 Unknown speaker can't afford or might not qualify for a
  1417. 0:59:00 Unknown speaker loan get these programs in place for
  1418. 0:59:03 Unknown speaker them to be able to do these improvements
  1419. 0:59:05 Unknown speaker that will come around and help them with
  1420. 0:59:08 Unknown speaker their property be more valuable and also
  1421. 0:59:10 Unknown speaker be more energy efficient. Uh so I'm I'm
  1422. 0:59:12 Unknown speaker a guest on this.
  1423. 0:59:13 Unknown speaker Okay,
  1424. 0:59:14 Unknown speaker great. Thank you. Seeing no one else in
  1425. 0:59:16 Unknown speaker the queue, I will now um open the public
  1426. 0:59:19 Unknown speaker hearing on ordinance 2026-63.
  1427. 0:59:22 Unknown speaker There's no one signed up on the list,
  1428. 0:59:24 Unknown speaker but is there anyone in the audience who
  1429. 0:59:26 Unknown speaker wishes to speak on this item? Come on
  1430. 0:59:28 Unknown speaker down
  1431. 0:59:30 Unknown speaker and then just state your name
  1432. 0:59:33 Unknown speaker and you are given three minutes.
  1433. 0:59:40 Unknown speaker It looks like it. Yep. Come on down.
  1434. 0:59:43 Unknown speaker But you still only get three minutes.
  1435. 0:59:47 Unknown speaker Right. Button. Got it. Awesome. Well, I
  1436. 0:59:49 Unknown speaker feel like this one was made for me and
  1437. 0:59:51 Unknown speaker this is why I applied to be on the
  1438. 0:59:53 Unknown speaker sustainability advisory board. I wanted
  1439. 0:59:55 Unknown speaker to speak a little bit about uh what may
  1440. 0:59:57 Unknown speaker have not have been talked about, which
  1441. 0:59:58 Unknown speaker is what drives electric rates up. And it
  1442. 1:00:01 Unknown speaker is um the peak demand of the city. And
  1443. 1:00:04 Unknown speaker this year we set a record for peak
  1444. 1:00:06 Unknown speaker demand. So, if we want to lower our
  1445. 1:00:08 Unknown speaker residents electric rates, we have to be
  1446. 1:00:10 Unknown speaker able to shave our peak demand. Uh I just
  1447. 1:00:14 Unknown speaker did a whole bunch of um efficiency
  1448. 1:00:17 Unknown speaker projects that this uh I think the intent
  1449. 1:00:20 Unknown speaker of this whole program is meant to
  1450. 1:00:22 Unknown speaker address. Uh I went through Elevations
  1451. 1:00:24 Unknown speaker Credit Union and also um it's a credit
  1452. 1:00:28 Unknown speaker card company that partnered with
  1453. 1:00:30 Unknown speaker Mitsubishi. But it is one of the big
  1454. 1:00:32 Unknown speaker barriers when I had sorry
  1455. 1:00:33 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  1456. 1:00:34 Unknown speaker was not had no prepared uh words for
  1457. 1:00:37 Unknown speaker this. Um when I tried to advocate to
  1458. 1:00:40 Unknown speaker other people you want to reduce your
  1459. 1:00:42 Unknown speaker electric bill get a heat pump insulate
  1460. 1:00:43 Unknown speaker your house uh call up efficiency works.
  1461. 1:00:46 Unknown speaker Uh one of the challenges is financing. I
  1462. 1:00:49 Unknown speaker would recommend since we own the utility
  1463. 1:00:51 Unknown speaker if you want to drive down residents
  1464. 1:00:52 Unknown speaker electric rates we have to get people to
  1465. 1:00:55 Unknown speaker shave their peak demand. Um I would
  1466. 1:00:58 Unknown speaker encourage us to look into this type of a
  1467. 1:01:00 Unknown speaker program as another avenue avenue to uh
  1468. 1:01:04 Unknown speaker financing
  1469. 1:01:05 Unknown speaker uh those improvements. So um this is
  1470. 1:01:09 Unknown speaker like just a passion of mine which is how
  1471. 1:01:11 Unknown speaker I knew uh where to go look. Uh not
  1472. 1:01:14 Unknown speaker everybody is as passionate as I am to go
  1473. 1:01:17 Unknown speaker and search things out and understand how
  1474. 1:01:19 Unknown speaker to shave your peak demand. Um so yeah, I
  1475. 1:01:22 Unknown speaker would encourage you to vote for it.
  1476. 1:01:24 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1477. 1:01:25 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you.
  1478. 1:01:26 Unknown speaker Okay,
  1479. 1:01:28 Unknown speaker come on over.
  1480. 1:01:35 Unknown speaker Thank you. I would also like to
  1481. 1:01:37 Unknown speaker and state your name, please.
  1482. 1:01:38 Unknown speaker Oh, there we go. Um, Marcia Martin, 1209
  1483. 1:01:43 Unknown speaker South Emory Street.
  1484. 1:01:45 Unknown speaker Um, and I'd also like to encourage
  1485. 1:01:47 Unknown speaker council to vote for this. Um, I would
  1486. 1:01:50 Unknown speaker like to point out that
  1487. 1:01:54 Unknown speaker building envelope improvement processes
  1488. 1:01:56 Unknown speaker for projects for homeowners have been
  1489. 1:02:02 Unknown speaker [sighs]
  1490. 1:02:04 Unknown speaker suggestions of the sustainability
  1491. 1:02:06 Unknown speaker advisory board since before I served on
  1492. 1:02:09 Unknown speaker council, so 2015 or so at the at the
  1493. 1:02:13 Unknown speaker latest. Um, and they were never adopted
  1494. 1:02:17 Unknown speaker because people who needed th that work
  1495. 1:02:21 Unknown speaker need also needed more help in terms of
  1496. 1:02:24 Unknown speaker advice and financing than they could get
  1497. 1:02:26 Unknown speaker with the city.
  1498. 1:02:28 Unknown speaker And um,
  1499. 1:02:31 Unknown speaker as it's already been pointed out um, and
  1500. 1:02:34 Unknown speaker and I can say, you know, testify as
  1501. 1:02:37 Unknown speaker someone who could finance building
  1502. 1:02:40 Unknown speaker envelope improvements on my house. I put
  1503. 1:02:42 Unknown speaker in new insulation in the roof,
  1504. 1:02:46 Unknown speaker uh, tucks under the eaves, new windows,
  1505. 1:02:50 Unknown speaker and a new white roof. And my energy
  1506. 1:02:53 Unknown speaker bills have fallen considerably, as well
  1507. 1:02:55 Unknown speaker as the house being much more comfortable
  1508. 1:02:58 Unknown speaker to live in. And that's before the heat
  1509. 1:03:01 Unknown speaker pump, right? So, everybody who wants to
  1510. 1:03:05 Unknown speaker put in the thought and the work should
  1511. 1:03:09 Unknown speaker be able to do that. And we I believe as
  1512. 1:03:13 Unknown speaker a city need to enable most residents
  1513. 1:03:18 Unknown speaker to undertake projects like this and
  1514. 1:03:24 Unknown speaker the electrical staff will will the
  1515. 1:03:28 Unknown speaker utility staff will will surely need to
  1516. 1:03:31 Unknown speaker work with them to figure out what's
  1517. 1:03:33 Unknown speaker responsible to undertake and in what
  1518. 1:03:35 Unknown speaker order. So, the first thing you do is
  1519. 1:03:38 Unknown speaker almost certainly not a $50,000 heat
  1520. 1:03:42 Unknown speaker pump. Um, but every little thing you do
  1521. 1:03:45 Unknown speaker is progress.
  1522. 1:03:47 Unknown speaker So, please.
  1523. 1:03:49 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1524. 1:03:50 Unknown speaker Okay. So, seeing no one else, um, I will
  1525. 1:03:52 Unknown speaker now close the public hearing, um, do I
  1526. 1:03:55 Unknown speaker can I have a motion to pass and adopt
  1527. 1:03:57 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-63?
  1528. 1:03:59 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin.
  1529. 1:04:01 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to make a
  1530. 1:04:02 Unknown speaker motion to uh approve ordinance 2026-63.
  1531. 1:04:06 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we have a motion to um pass
  1532. 1:04:08 Unknown speaker and adopt ordinance 2026-63,
  1533. 1:04:11 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance amending chapter
  1534. 1:04:12 Unknown speaker 14 um 20 of the Longmont Municipal Code
  1535. 1:04:16 Unknown speaker concerning on bill financing and
  1536. 1:04:17 Unknown speaker repayment for el eligible improvements.
  1537. 1:04:20 Unknown speaker Um and this it was seconded by council
  1538. 1:04:22 Unknown speaker member Koffer. Um yes, council member
  1539. 1:04:26 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  1540. 1:04:27 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. very briefly. Um I
  1541. 1:04:29 Unknown speaker appreciate the discussion and the care
  1542. 1:04:30 Unknown speaker with which my fellow council members are
  1543. 1:04:33 Unknown speaker are thinking about the program design.
  1544. 1:04:34 Unknown speaker Um as as many folks mentioned, this is
  1545. 1:04:36 Unknown speaker enabling legislation. And what this is
  1546. 1:04:38 Unknown speaker really enabling is a a low cost or
  1547. 1:04:41 Unknown speaker lowterest financing program that
  1548. 1:04:43 Unknown speaker increases access to utility incentives
  1549. 1:04:45 Unknown speaker and lowers costs for households. That is
  1550. 1:04:48 Unknown speaker the core of an onbill financing program
  1551. 1:04:50 Unknown speaker as it exists in many different utilities
  1552. 1:04:52 Unknown speaker across the country. Um we are not
  1553. 1:04:54 Unknown speaker inventing this from scratch. We have
  1554. 1:04:55 Unknown speaker many different programs to look to to
  1555. 1:04:57 Unknown speaker understand their performance and how
  1556. 1:04:58 Unknown speaker they've run it. Um, and this is
  1557. 1:05:00 Unknown speaker ultimately a way to lower bills and is
  1558. 1:05:02 Unknown speaker an optin program. Um, I fully support
  1559. 1:05:04 Unknown speaker this. I am encouraged that we are taking
  1560. 1:05:06 Unknown speaker a strategic forward-looking approach
  1561. 1:05:07 Unknown speaker towards managing utility bills. Many
  1562. 1:05:09 Unknown speaker utilities are not or don't choose to.
  1563. 1:05:12 Unknown speaker Um, many r many rising costs of fuel and
  1564. 1:05:15 Unknown speaker equipment these days are out of our
  1565. 1:05:16 Unknown speaker control. This is an opportunity very
  1566. 1:05:18 Unknown speaker much in our control.
  1567. 1:05:19 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you. Seeing no one
  1568. 1:05:21 Unknown speaker else in the queue, let's go ahead and
  1569. 1:05:22 Unknown speaker vote. Has
  1570. 1:05:36 Unknown speaker it shown up on your screen? Okay, now we
  1571. 1:05:39 Unknown speaker have it. Great. And that carries 5 to2
  1572. 1:05:42 Unknown speaker with council members Chris and Prito in
  1573. 1:05:44 Unknown speaker opposition. And let's move on to item B.
  1574. 1:05:47 Unknown speaker Ordinance 2026-64,
  1575. 1:05:50 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance authorizing a
  1576. 1:05:51 Unknown speaker lease agreement between the city of
  1577. 1:05:53 Unknown speaker Longmont and Growing Gardens for 950
  1578. 1:05:55 Unknown speaker Lashley Street. Um, are there any
  1579. 1:05:58 Unknown speaker questions from council? Okay, seeing
  1580. 1:06:00 Unknown speaker none, I will now open the public hearing
  1581. 1:06:03 Unknown speaker for ordinance 2026-64.
  1582. 1:06:06 Unknown speaker Is there any No one was signed up on the
  1583. 1:06:07 Unknown speaker list, but are there any members of the
  1584. 1:06:09 Unknown speaker public who wish to speak on this item?
  1585. 1:06:11 Unknown speaker Okay, seeing none, I will now close the
  1586. 1:06:13 Unknown speaker public hearing. Can I have a motion to
  1587. 1:06:14 Unknown speaker pass and adopt ordinance 2026-64?
  1588. 1:06:17 Unknown speaker So move.
  1589. 1:06:18 Unknown speaker Okay. So the motion was made by council
  1590. 1:06:20 Unknown speaker member Prito and seconded by council
  1591. 1:06:22 Unknown speaker member Christ. See no one in the queue.
  1592. 1:06:24 Unknown speaker Let's go ahead and vote.
  1593. 1:06:33 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. Uh
  1594. 1:06:35 Unknown speaker we are now okay. We are now on to item
  1595. 1:06:38 Unknown speaker C, public hearing regarding uh
  1596. 1:06:41 Unknown speaker resolution 2026-70.
  1597. 1:06:44 Unknown speaker Is that Yeah, that's where I'm at. Um, a
  1598. 1:06:47 Unknown speaker resolution finding a parcel of land
  1599. 1:06:49 Unknown speaker known as the Dry Creek annexation
  1600. 1:06:51 Unknown speaker generally located along Airport Road
  1601. 1:06:53 Unknown speaker between Quail Road and Clover Basin
  1602. 1:06:55 Unknown speaker Drive eligible for annexation.
  1603. 1:06:58 Unknown speaker Um, are there any questions from
  1604. 1:07:00 Unknown speaker council?
  1605. 1:07:01 Unknown speaker And mayor, if I may,
  1606. 1:07:01 Unknown speaker and do we have a presentation?
  1607. 1:07:02 Unknown speaker Just to interject. Yes, there is a
  1608. 1:07:04 Unknown speaker presentation. I just want to note that
  1609. 1:07:06 Unknown speaker we have not lumped the public hearing
  1610. 1:07:08 Unknown speaker signup sheet for both
  1611. 1:07:09 Unknown speaker the resolution and the ordinance for the
  1612. 1:07:11 Unknown speaker dry creek annexation into one list.
  1613. 1:07:14 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1614. 1:07:15 Unknown speaker So you have one list for one public
  1615. 1:07:17 Unknown speaker hearing for both.
  1616. 1:07:18 Unknown speaker Okay. So I can do the public hearing
  1617. 1:07:19 Unknown speaker first and then
  1618. 1:07:21 Unknown speaker I think Nathan has a presentation and
  1619. 1:07:23 Unknown speaker there's an applicant presentation but
  1620. 1:07:24 Unknown speaker you can do one public hearing. Yes.
  1621. 1:07:25 Unknown speaker Okay. Go ahead.
  1622. 1:07:27 Unknown speaker There is just one public hearing. Good
  1623. 1:07:28 Unknown speaker evening mayor and council. My name is
  1624. 1:07:30 Unknown speaker Nathan Jones. I'm one of the principal
  1625. 1:07:31 Unknown speaker planners with the planning and zoning
  1626. 1:07:33 Unknown speaker planning and development services
  1627. 1:07:34 Unknown speaker department. The item I have uh
  1628. 1:07:36 Unknown speaker presenting this evening is a public
  1629. 1:07:38 Unknown speaker hearing regarding a dry creek uh an
  1630. 1:07:40 Unknown speaker proposed annexation known as a dry creek
  1631. 1:07:42 Unknown speaker annexation.
  1632. 1:07:43 Unknown speaker Just as far as uh location and project
  1633. 1:07:45 Unknown speaker overview, uh project is located at 9308
  1634. 1:07:49 Unknown speaker North 87th Street. The future land use
  1635. 1:07:51 Unknown speaker is mixed neighborhood. The existing
  1636. 1:07:53 Unknown speaker zoning is unincorporated and the
  1637. 1:07:55 Unknown speaker existing use is rural residential and
  1638. 1:07:58 Unknown speaker agriculture. The proposed use includes
  1639. 1:08:00 Unknown speaker single family res uh single family
  1640. 1:08:02 Unknown speaker detach and attached town homes and the
  1641. 1:08:04 Unknown speaker proposed zoning is residential mixed
  1642. 1:08:05 Unknown speaker neighborhood.
  1643. 1:08:07 Unknown speaker According to the envision long
  1644. 1:08:09 Unknown speaker comprehensive plan, the future land use
  1645. 1:08:10 Unknown speaker designation for this site is uh
  1646. 1:08:13 Unknown speaker residential mixed neighborhood. Uh
  1647. 1:08:15 Unknown speaker residential mixed neighborhood is
  1648. 1:08:16 Unknown speaker intended as a transition between single
  1649. 1:08:18 Unknown speaker family uses and more intense commercial
  1650. 1:08:20 Unknown speaker uh uses. The image on the right hand
  1651. 1:08:22 Unknown speaker side of the screen locates the proposed
  1652. 1:08:24 Unknown speaker site on top of the future land use map
  1653. 1:08:26 Unknown speaker in the comprehensive plan. Um and you
  1654. 1:08:29 Unknown speaker can see a variety of different future
  1655. 1:08:31 Unknown speaker land uses in the immediate uh vicinity.
  1656. 1:08:34 Unknown speaker Um further east as more uh intense
  1657. 1:08:37 Unknown speaker commercial and multif family
  1658. 1:08:38 Unknown speaker development. And then as you head west
  1659. 1:08:41 Unknown speaker um land uses become more uh lower
  1660. 1:08:44 Unknown speaker density and more res residential. Uh and
  1661. 1:08:47 Unknown speaker this is all in conformance with the
  1662. 1:08:49 Unknown speaker comprehensive plan. Uh it's intended to
  1663. 1:08:51 Unknown speaker allow for a range of different
  1664. 1:08:52 Unknown speaker residential type uses including single
  1665. 1:08:54 Unknown speaker family residential town home town houses
  1666. 1:08:57 Unknown speaker and smaller multif family developments.
  1667. 1:08:59 Unknown speaker It also allows for a range of different
  1668. 1:09:01 Unknown speaker um lowintensity commercial type uses.
  1669. 1:09:05 Unknown speaker Uh the land development code also um
  1670. 1:09:08 Unknown speaker assigns uh zoning to some of the
  1671. 1:09:11 Unknown speaker properties within the city limits. Uh
  1672. 1:09:13 Unknown speaker again as you can see here the site is
  1673. 1:09:15 Unknown speaker located in uh with the red star. It's
  1674. 1:09:17 Unknown speaker immediately adjacent to a portion of
  1675. 1:09:19 Unknown speaker unincorporated
  1676. 1:09:21 Unknown speaker uh property that is not zoned. Um the
  1677. 1:09:24 Unknown speaker other zoning districts in the immediate
  1678. 1:09:26 Unknown speaker area are residential, single family,
  1679. 1:09:28 Unknown speaker public uh residential mixed neighborhood
  1680. 1:09:31 Unknown speaker um and as well as an existing single
  1681. 1:09:33 Unknown speaker family uh neighborhood just to the
  1682. 1:09:35 Unknown speaker northeast of the site. Uh the purpose of
  1683. 1:09:38 Unknown speaker of or the proposed zoning district is
  1684. 1:09:40 Unknown speaker residential mix uh mixed res mixed
  1685. 1:09:42 Unknown speaker neighborhood and the purpose of the RMN
  1686. 1:09:45 Unknown speaker zoning district is to establish and pre
  1687. 1:09:47 Unknown speaker preserve mixed density residential
  1688. 1:09:49 Unknown speaker neighborhoods to accommodate a variety
  1689. 1:09:50 Unknown speaker of housing types including detached and
  1690. 1:09:53 Unknown speaker smaller scale attached dwellings and
  1691. 1:09:55 Unknown speaker it's intended to serve as a transition
  1692. 1:09:57 Unknown speaker between single family neighborhoods and
  1693. 1:09:58 Unknown speaker multif family residential mixeduse and
  1694. 1:10:01 Unknown speaker other non-residential areas. The
  1695. 1:10:03 Unknown speaker annexation agreement includes a proposed
  1696. 1:10:05 Unknown speaker concept plan. Uh this concept plan is
  1697. 1:10:07 Unknown speaker based on the RMN zoning district and if
  1698. 1:10:10 Unknown speaker adopted it would approve uh it would
  1699. 1:10:13 Unknown speaker allow single family detached and
  1700. 1:10:14 Unknown speaker townhouse style attached and multif
  1701. 1:10:16 Unknown speaker family residential with conditions. I'll
  1702. 1:10:18 Unknown speaker get into those conditions here in just a
  1703. 1:10:20 Unknown speaker second. It identifies two different
  1704. 1:10:22 Unknown speaker planning areas uh where those different
  1705. 1:10:24 Unknown speaker land uses could be um uh cited at time
  1706. 1:10:28 Unknown speaker of future development. And it shows the
  1707. 1:10:29 Unknown speaker approximate location of detention ponds,
  1708. 1:10:31 Unknown speaker access points, and pocket parks.
  1709. 1:10:33 Unknown speaker Generally speaking, at the time of
  1710. 1:10:35 Unknown speaker annexation plan, uh at the time of
  1711. 1:10:37 Unknown speaker annexation, a concept plan will be
  1712. 1:10:39 Unknown speaker fairly general in scope. Uh that's
  1713. 1:10:41 Unknown speaker because annexation is the first step of
  1714. 1:10:43 Unknown speaker many different development applications
  1715. 1:10:45 Unknown speaker as this project moves forward uh within
  1716. 1:10:48 Unknown speaker the city. Um conditions that are
  1717. 1:10:51 Unknown speaker included on the concept plan will
  1718. 1:10:52 Unknown speaker typically be uh items that are more
  1719. 1:10:55 Unknown speaker strict or more restrictive than what is
  1720. 1:10:58 Unknown speaker otherwise required by the land
  1721. 1:10:59 Unknown speaker development code or items that council
  1722. 1:11:01 Unknown speaker wants to make sure uh are very
  1723. 1:11:04 Unknown speaker specifically added. um items that are
  1724. 1:11:06 Unknown speaker included in the concept plan or as part
  1725. 1:11:08 Unknown speaker of the annexation agreement run with the
  1726. 1:11:10 Unknown speaker land um and will be uh they will stand
  1727. 1:11:13 Unknown speaker as conditions until such time that the
  1728. 1:11:15 Unknown speaker council were to take up an amendment to
  1729. 1:11:17 Unknown speaker such to the conditions. So that's why
  1730. 1:11:19 Unknown speaker you'll generally see um limited
  1731. 1:11:22 Unknown speaker information at the time of site plan and
  1732. 1:11:23 Unknown speaker platting is when we would see more
  1733. 1:11:25 Unknown speaker information on the uh actual location of
  1734. 1:11:28 Unknown speaker the roadways, the design of the roads,
  1735. 1:11:30 Unknown speaker the design of the lots, the location of
  1736. 1:11:31 Unknown speaker the pock pocket parks and um those sight
  1737. 1:11:34 Unknown speaker specific items.
  1738. 1:11:38 Unknown speaker Now leading into the proposed
  1739. 1:11:40 Unknown speaker conditions, so there are seven different
  1740. 1:11:42 Unknown speaker conditions that are included as part of
  1741. 1:11:44 Unknown speaker the concept plan. Um, and these
  1742. 1:11:47 Unknown speaker conditions really come out of uh
  1743. 1:11:48 Unknown speaker feedback that we heard that city staff
  1744. 1:11:50 Unknown speaker and the applicant heard from council uh
  1745. 1:11:53 Unknown speaker when this item was brought at the uh as
  1746. 1:11:55 Unknown speaker a referral back in 2024. Um, and
  1747. 1:11:58 Unknown speaker reiterated through the neighborhood
  1748. 1:11:59 Unknown speaker meeting uh and the community feedback
  1749. 1:12:01 Unknown speaker that we heard. And that direction was
  1750. 1:12:02 Unknown speaker really to try to find ways to allow for
  1751. 1:12:05 Unknown speaker lower density, lower intensity um
  1752. 1:12:08 Unknown speaker housing options that could be uh
  1753. 1:12:10 Unknown speaker potentially for sale uh housing types.
  1754. 1:12:13 Unknown speaker Um so staff works with the applicant to
  1755. 1:12:16 Unknown speaker put together these conditions and that's
  1756. 1:12:17 Unknown speaker what these uh conditions are really
  1757. 1:12:19 Unknown speaker intended to address. The first three are
  1758. 1:12:21 Unknown speaker related to the land uses. So if adopted
  1759. 1:12:24 Unknown speaker as uh presented would only allow for
  1760. 1:12:26 Unknown speaker three different residential types.
  1761. 1:12:28 Unknown speaker Single family, detached, attached and
  1762. 1:12:30 Unknown speaker multif family. The concept plan also
  1763. 1:12:32 Unknown speaker includes specific definitions for what
  1764. 1:12:33 Unknown speaker those land uses includes. And it would
  1765. 1:12:37 Unknown speaker require that uh multif family and
  1766. 1:12:38 Unknown speaker attached land uses are uh separated by
  1767. 1:12:41 Unknown speaker their uh vertical common party wall and
  1768. 1:12:44 Unknown speaker that each dwelling unit be located on
  1769. 1:12:46 Unknown speaker its own individually platted lot. Taken
  1770. 1:12:48 Unknown speaker [clears throat] together, these three
  1771. 1:12:49 Unknown speaker items would uh restrict certain types of
  1772. 1:12:53 Unknown speaker multif family and attached uh land uses.
  1773. 1:12:56 Unknown speaker So it wouldn't allow for stacked multif
  1774. 1:12:58 Unknown speaker family or apartment style uh multif
  1775. 1:13:01 Unknown speaker family that uh you may be more familiar
  1776. 1:13:04 Unknown speaker with. Um it would require that each
  1777. 1:13:05 Unknown speaker dwelling unit be essentially a townhouse
  1778. 1:13:08 Unknown speaker style design. Um the following four
  1779. 1:13:11 Unknown speaker conditions relate to other site design
  1780. 1:13:13 Unknown speaker specifics to again um attempt to
  1781. 1:13:16 Unknown speaker restrict or regulate the overall
  1782. 1:13:18 Unknown speaker density. These uh these items here are
  1783. 1:13:20 Unknown speaker more restrictive than what is otherwise
  1784. 1:13:22 Unknown speaker allowed in the land development code. In
  1785. 1:13:24 Unknown speaker particular, uh it puts a cap on the
  1786. 1:13:27 Unknown speaker proposed d uh the allowable density for
  1787. 1:13:29 Unknown speaker both single family detached and multif
  1788. 1:13:31 Unknown speaker family capping detached townhouse
  1789. 1:13:34 Unknown speaker detached uh residential at seven
  1790. 1:13:36 Unknown speaker dwelling units per acre and attached and
  1791. 1:13:39 Unknown speaker multif family at 15 as opposed to the
  1792. 1:13:41 Unknown speaker maximum 18 that's allowed by right.
  1793. 1:13:46 Unknown speaker Um there are a total of 15 different uh
  1794. 1:13:48 Unknown speaker review criteria that are applicable to
  1795. 1:13:50 Unknown speaker uh annexation cases that the that staff
  1796. 1:13:53 Unknown speaker reviewed this application based on. I'm
  1797. 1:13:55 Unknown speaker not going to go through them all at this
  1798. 1:13:56 Unknown speaker time, but at a very high level, the
  1799. 1:13:58 Unknown speaker question before council is is the land
  1800. 1:14:01 Unknown speaker uh eligible for annexation and is the
  1801. 1:14:04 Unknown speaker land and proposed zoning district in
  1802. 1:14:06 Unknown speaker conformance with the comprehensive plan.
  1803. 1:14:09 Unknown speaker Um so based on our review of these
  1804. 1:14:11 Unknown speaker additional of these review criteria,
  1805. 1:14:14 Unknown speaker staff uh developed a recommendation of
  1806. 1:14:16 Unknown speaker approval of the concept plan as uh an
  1807. 1:14:19 Unknown speaker annexation item as presented. Uh we took
  1808. 1:14:22 Unknown speaker this item to a public hearing in public
  1809. 1:14:24 Unknown speaker at the planning and zoning commission
  1810. 1:14:25 Unknown speaker last uh December where the uh PZ
  1811. 1:14:28 Unknown speaker commission ultimately voted to recommend
  1812. 1:14:30 Unknown speaker approval to the city council. Uh this
  1813. 1:14:33 Unknown speaker evening the council has three options
  1814. 1:14:34 Unknown speaker before it to approve, approve with
  1815. 1:14:36 Unknown speaker conditions or deny.
  1816. 1:14:39 Unknown speaker At the se uh September 22nd uh council
  1817. 1:14:42 Unknown speaker meeting, this item was uh approved by
  1818. 1:14:45 Unknown speaker the council on first reading um with
  1819. 1:14:48 Unknown speaker four additional conditions. I'll go
  1820. 1:14:49 Unknown speaker through those conditions here. Future
  1821. 1:14:51 Unknown speaker development of the property shall
  1822. 1:14:52 Unknown speaker implement the recommendations of the
  1823. 1:14:54 Unknown speaker traffic impact study as amended by
  1824. 1:14:56 Unknown speaker updates through the development process
  1825. 1:14:58 Unknown speaker and to the maximum extent feasible.
  1826. 1:15:00 Unknown speaker Future development of the property shall
  1827. 1:15:01 Unknown speaker incorporate an on-site publicly
  1828. 1:15:03 Unknown speaker accessible bike sharing option
  1829. 1:15:05 Unknown speaker compatible with the city's current bike
  1830. 1:15:07 Unknown speaker sharing program as part of the final
  1831. 1:15:09 Unknown speaker multimmoal transportation plan. Third,
  1832. 1:15:12 Unknown speaker that the future development of the
  1833. 1:15:13 Unknown speaker property shall implement traffic control
  1834. 1:15:15 Unknown speaker measures to the maximum extent feasible
  1835. 1:15:17 Unknown speaker and as approved by the development
  1836. 1:15:19 Unknown speaker review committee to deter through
  1837. 1:15:21 Unknown speaker traffic north on Box Elder Drive. This
  1838. 1:15:24 Unknown speaker should include at least a speed bump,
  1839. 1:15:26 Unknown speaker curb bumpout, and/or other
  1840. 1:15:27 Unknown speaker infrastructure control that physically
  1841. 1:15:29 Unknown speaker deters right turns uh from this
  1842. 1:15:32 Unknown speaker development onto Quail Road as a signage
  1843. 1:15:34 Unknown speaker as well as signage prohibiting right
  1844. 1:15:36 Unknown speaker turns on Quail Road and it turning
  1845. 1:15:38 Unknown speaker through traffic on Boxelder Drive. And
  1846. 1:15:41 Unknown speaker finally, prior approval prior to the
  1847. 1:15:43 Unknown speaker approval of a preliminary plot, the
  1848. 1:15:45 Unknown speaker existing silo on the property shall be
  1849. 1:15:47 Unknown speaker referred to the historic preservation
  1850. 1:15:48 Unknown speaker committee for review and comment
  1851. 1:15:50 Unknown speaker regarding its potential historic and
  1852. 1:15:52 Unknown speaker cultural significance and opportunities
  1853. 1:15:54 Unknown speaker for preservation and adaptive
  1854. 1:15:56 Unknown speaker incorporation into the development. As I
  1855. 1:15:58 Unknown speaker said at the first reading, staff
  1856. 1:15:59 Unknown speaker generally understands uh obviously what
  1857. 1:16:02 Unknown speaker these uh conditions mean. Um we don't
  1858. 1:16:05 Unknown speaker have any real issue with the wording. We
  1859. 1:16:07 Unknown speaker did have some follow-up questions both
  1860. 1:16:08 Unknown speaker that we received from council and that
  1861. 1:16:10 Unknown speaker we also uh on the city staff side had.
  1862. 1:16:13 Unknown speaker So, we wanted to bring those up now um
  1863. 1:16:16 Unknown speaker and raise those items of concern as you
  1864. 1:16:19 Unknown speaker uh deliberate in terms of whether or not
  1865. 1:16:20 Unknown speaker you want to um adopt the annexation
  1866. 1:16:23 Unknown speaker plan. Um there's often times a uh there
  1867. 1:16:26 Unknown speaker can be a very long uh time difference
  1868. 1:16:29 Unknown speaker between when a property is annexed and
  1869. 1:16:31 Unknown speaker when it uh ultimately uh develops. So,
  1870. 1:16:35 Unknown speaker um, in the time between now and when
  1871. 1:16:37 Unknown speaker that should occur, we just want to make
  1872. 1:16:38 Unknown speaker sure that we have on record the intent
  1873. 1:16:39 Unknown speaker of council so that we fully understand,
  1874. 1:16:42 Unknown speaker uh, what these additional amendments,
  1875. 1:16:44 Unknown speaker um, mean.
  1876. 1:16:46 Unknown speaker That said, I did have, I think staff in
  1877. 1:16:48 Unknown speaker our review primarily had questions
  1878. 1:16:50 Unknown speaker about, uh, condition number two, the
  1879. 1:16:51 Unknown speaker bike sharing program item. Um, I wanted
  1880. 1:16:54 Unknown speaker to give a quick summary of our existing
  1881. 1:16:57 Unknown speaker bike share program uh, that I've
  1882. 1:16:59 Unknown speaker outlined here on the on the screen. And
  1883. 1:17:00 Unknown speaker the city has partnered with BCycle,
  1884. 1:17:02 Unknown speaker which is a private vendor, uh, for a
  1885. 1:17:04 Unknown speaker pilot program to install bike share
  1886. 1:17:06 Unknown speaker stations at specific locations and with
  1887. 1:17:08 Unknown speaker a specific number of bicycles. This is a
  1888. 1:17:10 Unknown speaker pilot program. It's my understanding
  1889. 1:17:12 Unknown speaker that it is not a long-term program and
  1890. 1:17:15 Unknown speaker that at this time we do not have a long
  1891. 1:17:17 Unknown speaker uh long-term plan for a uh future bike
  1892. 1:17:20 Unknown speaker share uh program. Um the current program
  1893. 1:17:24 Unknown speaker uh [clears throat] u some statistics on
  1894. 1:17:26 Unknown speaker the current program costs each bike
  1895. 1:17:29 Unknown speaker station costs about $2,200 per dock.
  1896. 1:17:32 Unknown speaker Each bike is about $2,800. Each spare
  1897. 1:17:34 Unknown speaker battery is about $455.
  1898. 1:17:37 Unknown speaker The existing system includes 30 ebikes,
  1899. 1:17:39 Unknown speaker 57 docks, and 17 spare batteries for a
  1900. 1:17:41 Unknown speaker total cost of 7 $217,000.
  1901. 1:17:44 Unknown speaker Um the exi these costs are also based on
  1902. 1:17:48 Unknown speaker the overall system. So these numbers
  1903. 1:17:50 Unknown speaker will eb and flow based on the total
  1904. 1:17:53 Unknown speaker number of uh bikes or docks that are
  1905. 1:17:55 Unknown speaker part of the system and the overall uh
  1906. 1:17:58 Unknown speaker system like how how wide or how uh much
  1907. 1:18:01 Unknown speaker of the cover much of the city the system
  1908. 1:18:03 Unknown speaker covers. Um and importantly for us it
  1909. 1:18:07 Unknown speaker doesn't uh cover ongoing operations or
  1910. 1:18:09 Unknown speaker maintenance costs. I think you see that
  1911. 1:18:11 Unknown speaker in our additional questions. Um I'll run
  1912. 1:18:14 Unknown speaker through our questions here quickly. Um,
  1913. 1:18:16 Unknown speaker is it the council's intent that
  1914. 1:18:18 Unknown speaker developer pay full cost of installation
  1915. 1:18:19 Unknown speaker and maintenance of the docking stations?
  1916. 1:18:21 Unknown speaker Uh, if the city is to maintain the
  1917. 1:18:24 Unknown speaker stations, is there an identified funding
  1918. 1:18:25 Unknown speaker source? And finally, is there an
  1919. 1:18:27 Unknown speaker alternative compliance that would allow
  1920. 1:18:28 Unknown speaker the project to remain in conformance
  1921. 1:18:30 Unknown speaker with the amendment if our current
  1922. 1:18:32 Unknown speaker program is discontinued or if there is
  1923. 1:18:34 Unknown speaker not a bike share program in place at the
  1924. 1:18:36 Unknown speaker time of development. Um and again um the
  1925. 1:18:40 Unknown speaker the intent and um direction of council
  1926. 1:18:43 Unknown speaker will be helpful here if at some point in
  1927. 1:18:45 Unknown speaker five 10 or 20 years uh we have a
  1928. 1:18:48 Unknown speaker development application where we need to
  1929. 1:18:50 Unknown speaker implement these conditions we want to
  1930. 1:18:52 Unknown speaker make sure that at that future stage we
  1931. 1:18:54 Unknown speaker fully understand the intent of council.
  1932. 1:18:57 Unknown speaker Um that said that concludes my
  1933. 1:18:59 Unknown speaker presentation. Um I do have uh the
  1934. 1:19:01 Unknown speaker applicant here and uh they have a quick
  1935. 1:19:03 Unknown speaker presentation as well. So,
  1936. 1:19:05 Unknown speaker okay. Did you want us to answer those
  1937. 1:19:07 Unknown speaker three questions first before switching
  1938. 1:19:09 Unknown speaker to presentations or come back to it?
  1939. 1:19:11 Unknown speaker I think you can come back to it. I'd
  1940. 1:19:13 Unknown speaker like the um applicants to run through
  1941. 1:19:14 Unknown speaker their comments as well.
  1942. 1:19:16 Unknown speaker Um and then yeah uh be available
  1943. 1:19:18 Unknown speaker afterwards for questions.
  1944. 1:19:38 Unknown speaker Thank you, Nathan. [clears throat]
  1945. 1:19:52 Unknown speaker There we go. Good evening, Mayor
  1946. 1:19:54 Unknown speaker Council. My name is Jonah Weiss. I'm a
  1947. 1:19:56 Unknown speaker planner and landscape architect with
  1948. 1:19:58 Unknown speaker LJA.
  1949. 1:20:00 Unknown speaker I'm going to start with where we are
  1950. 1:20:02 Unknown speaker with the schedule. This project started
  1951. 1:20:04 Unknown speaker with a pre-application meeting that was
  1952. 1:20:06 Unknown speaker held in June of 23. We had our first
  1953. 1:20:08 Unknown speaker council meeting in July of 24, followed
  1954. 1:20:10 Unknown speaker by a neighborhood meeting that
  1955. 1:20:12 Unknown speaker September. We then spent about a year
  1956. 1:20:14 Unknown speaker revising our application in response to
  1957. 1:20:16 Unknown speaker staff, council, and community concerns.
  1958. 1:20:20 Unknown speaker This was followed by our planning
  1959. 1:20:21 Unknown speaker commission hearing in December of last
  1960. 1:20:23 Unknown speaker year. That was followed by work on the
  1961. 1:20:25 Unknown speaker annexation agreement which led to the re
  1962. 1:20:27 Unknown speaker most recent series of council meetings.
  1963. 1:20:32 Unknown speaker I want to talk a little bit about
  1964. 1:20:33 Unknown speaker project goals.
  1965. 1:20:35 Unknown speaker The central goal of this project is to
  1966. 1:20:36 Unknown speaker create a vibrant community that provides
  1967. 1:20:39 Unknown speaker missing middle housing with area
  1968. 1:20:41 Unknown speaker dedicated for inclusionary housing. This
  1969. 1:20:43 Unknown speaker aligns well with the city council
  1970. 1:20:45 Unknown speaker housing goals and with Longmont's
  1971. 1:20:48 Unknown speaker housing needs assessment.
  1972. 1:20:51 Unknown speaker In the interest of time, I'm going to
  1973. 1:20:52 Unknown speaker skip the slides for the concept plan and
  1974. 1:20:54 Unknown speaker multimodal plan. I'm of course happy to
  1975. 1:20:57 Unknown speaker uh review them with you if you'd like.
  1976. 1:21:04 Unknown speaker Okay. I want to talk about what we heard
  1977. 1:21:06 Unknown speaker at our previous meetings and hearings
  1978. 1:21:08 Unknown speaker and how we've address the feedback we
  1979. 1:21:09 Unknown speaker received.
  1980. 1:21:13 Unknown speaker Here are some common themes we heard.
  1981. 1:21:15 Unknown speaker The community wanted four sale lots and
  1982. 1:21:17 Unknown speaker not apartment buildings. The applicant
  1983. 1:21:19 Unknown speaker listened to that feedback and removed
  1984. 1:21:21 Unknown speaker the apartment building as an allowed
  1985. 1:21:22 Unknown speaker use. The community did not want the
  1986. 1:21:26 Unknown speaker county portion of Kell Road to be
  1987. 1:21:27 Unknown speaker annexed. As shown in the little red box
  1988. 1:21:29 Unknown speaker on the plan to the right, we are no
  1989. 1:21:31 Unknown speaker longer proposing that area to be
  1990. 1:21:32 Unknown speaker annexed. We heard that there was a
  1991. 1:21:35 Unknown speaker desire for inclusionary housing on the
  1992. 1:21:36 Unknown speaker site and the applicant will provide land
  1993. 1:21:39 Unknown speaker for that housing.
  1994. 1:21:41 Unknown speaker There were some concerns about the
  1995. 1:21:42 Unknown speaker amount of density allowed on the site.
  1996. 1:21:44 Unknown speaker The RMN zone district requires a density
  1997. 1:21:46 Unknown speaker of between 6 and 18 dwelling units per
  1998. 1:21:48 Unknown speaker acre. The applicant has agreed to
  1999. 1:21:51 Unknown speaker restrict the density to 15 dwelling
  2000. 1:21:52 Unknown speaker units per acre for attached homes or
  2001. 1:21:54 Unknown speaker seven dwelling units per acre for
  2002. 1:21:56 Unknown speaker detached homes. We also had questions
  2003. 1:21:59 Unknown speaker about the impact of the development on
  2004. 1:22:01 Unknown speaker wildlife. An ecological study was
  2005. 1:22:03 Unknown speaker conducted on the site and at the time no
  2006. 1:22:05 Unknown speaker special or protected species were
  2007. 1:22:06 Unknown speaker identified.
  2008. 1:22:08 Unknown speaker This project will be required to provide
  2009. 1:22:10 Unknown speaker updated studies in future in the future
  2010. 1:22:12 Unknown speaker as required by the city of Longmont's
  2011. 1:22:14 Unknown speaker development code.
  2012. 1:22:17 Unknown speaker We heard that the community did not want
  2013. 1:22:18 Unknown speaker a connection to Quail Road at Boxelder
  2014. 1:22:20 Unknown speaker Drive. We have been directed by Longmont
  2015. 1:22:22 Unknown speaker staff that that connection is a
  2016. 1:22:23 Unknown speaker requirement. The comment in the red box
  2017. 1:22:26 Unknown speaker is from the fire department stating that
  2018. 1:22:28 Unknown speaker access to Quail Road is a public safety
  2019. 1:22:30 Unknown speaker requirement. However, the applicant
  2020. 1:22:31 Unknown speaker feels that the amendments council
  2021. 1:22:33 Unknown speaker adopted at the first reading will help
  2022. 1:22:34 Unknown speaker discourage cut through traffic.
  2023. 1:22:37 Unknown speaker I want to talk about those amendments.
  2024. 1:22:41 Unknown speaker The applicant has at the opportunity to
  2025. 1:22:43 Unknown speaker review the four amendments that were
  2026. 1:22:45 Unknown speaker offered at the first reading and has no
  2027. 1:22:47 Unknown speaker issues with amendments one and three as
  2028. 1:22:49 Unknown speaker adopted. As a reminder, amendments one
  2029. 1:22:51 Unknown speaker and three deal with traffic impacts and
  2030. 1:22:53 Unknown speaker traffic calming.
  2031. 1:22:56 Unknown speaker For amendment two, the applicant
  2032. 1:22:57 Unknown speaker requests modifications to the adopted
  2033. 1:22:59 Unknown speaker language in order to provide additional
  2034. 1:23:00 Unknown speaker flexibility and clarity. As a reminder,
  2035. 1:23:03 Unknown speaker this amendment requires a bike share
  2036. 1:23:05 Unknown speaker station.
  2037. 1:23:07 Unknown speaker The text in black is what was adopted
  2038. 1:23:09 Unknown speaker and our proposed modifications are shown
  2039. 1:23:11 Unknown speaker in blue. I'm going to discuss each item.
  2040. 1:23:14 Unknown speaker So, for number one, we would like this
  2041. 1:23:16 Unknown speaker requirement to be subject to the
  2042. 1:23:18 Unknown speaker availability and willingness of an
  2043. 1:23:19 Unknown speaker operator. While there may be a current
  2044. 1:23:21 Unknown speaker bike share operator in Longmont, as
  2045. 1:23:23 Unknown speaker Nathan uh spoke about, there's no
  2046. 1:23:25 Unknown speaker guarantee that an operator will be
  2047. 1:23:27 Unknown speaker available at the time of development.
  2048. 1:23:29 Unknown speaker For number two, we would like staff and
  2049. 1:23:31 Unknown speaker future multimmoal transportation plans
  2050. 1:23:33 Unknown speaker to have a say in the location and
  2051. 1:23:34 Unknown speaker desiraability of a bike share facility
  2052. 1:23:36 Unknown speaker in this area. This could help prevent
  2053. 1:23:38 Unknown speaker conflicts with future long-range
  2054. 1:23:39 Unknown speaker transportation planning.
  2055. 1:23:42 Unknown speaker For number three, we would like to have
  2056. 1:23:43 Unknown speaker the ability to locate the bike share
  2057. 1:23:45 Unknown speaker facility in the rightway park and
  2058. 1:23:46 Unknown speaker landscape offer. There are two reasons
  2059. 1:23:48 Unknown speaker for this request. First, it would reduce
  2060. 1:23:50 Unknown speaker the impact on developable land and so it
  2061. 1:23:52 Unknown speaker would result not result in the loss of
  2062. 1:23:54 Unknown speaker homes whether market rate or
  2063. 1:23:56 Unknown speaker inclusionary. Second, with a bus stop
  2064. 1:23:58 Unknown speaker anticipated along Clover Basin Drive as
  2065. 1:24:00 Unknown speaker circled on the plan to the right, it
  2066. 1:24:03 Unknown speaker would be beneficial to establish a
  2067. 1:24:04 Unknown speaker consolidated transit area that includes
  2068. 1:24:06 Unknown speaker a bike share facility near the bus stop.
  2069. 1:24:09 Unknown speaker This arrangement would improve
  2070. 1:24:10 Unknown speaker arrangement would improve accessibility
  2071. 1:24:12 Unknown speaker and provide a more convenient user
  2072. 1:24:13 Unknown speaker experience.
  2073. 1:24:15 Unknown speaker Finally, for number four, this
  2074. 1:24:17 Unknown speaker modification would permit the bike share
  2075. 1:24:19 Unknown speaker facility to be located offsite but
  2076. 1:24:21 Unknown speaker within one quarter mile of the property.
  2077. 1:24:23 Unknown speaker The reason for this request is that we
  2078. 1:24:25 Unknown speaker are not completely sure where the bus
  2079. 1:24:27 Unknown speaker stop is going to be located. That's not
  2080. 1:24:29 Unknown speaker our decision. Um, it could be located
  2081. 1:24:31 Unknown speaker the east of the property and again it
  2082. 1:24:32 Unknown speaker would be beneficial for users to have a
  2083. 1:24:34 Unknown speaker consolidated transit experience.
  2084. 1:24:41 Unknown speaker So, a little more cost information here.
  2085. 1:24:43 Unknown speaker We were asked by council to provide some
  2086. 1:24:45 Unknown speaker cost information but for a bike share
  2087. 1:24:46 Unknown speaker facility. Nathan went over this a little
  2088. 1:24:49 Unknown speaker bit, but I'm going to break it down a
  2089. 1:24:50 Unknown speaker little bit more. Our understanding that
  2090. 1:24:52 Unknown speaker is that a bike share and the the bike
  2091. 1:24:54 Unknown speaker and the associated docking station
  2092. 1:24:55 Unknown speaker together cost around $5,000. I
  2093. 1:24:58 Unknown speaker understand that costs are going to go up
  2094. 1:24:59 Unknown speaker in the near future, but these are the
  2095. 1:25:00 Unknown speaker numbers we received last week. If we
  2096. 1:25:02 Unknown speaker assume that we providing five stations,
  2097. 1:25:04 Unknown speaker that's a total cost of about $25,000,
  2098. 1:25:06 Unknown speaker which would not include the concrete
  2099. 1:25:08 Unknown speaker pad, electricity, or operation or
  2100. 1:25:09 Unknown speaker maintenance costs. At the minimum
  2101. 1:25:12 Unknown speaker residential density, that would mean
  2102. 1:25:13 Unknown speaker that each market rate home would cost
  2103. 1:25:14 Unknown speaker approximately $600 more. But this will
  2104. 1:25:17 Unknown speaker be likely closer to $800 to $1,000 per
  2105. 1:25:20 Unknown speaker home when you include the required items
  2106. 1:25:21 Unknown speaker beyond just the bike and the docking
  2107. 1:25:23 Unknown speaker station as well as account for
  2108. 1:25:24 Unknown speaker anticipated cost increases.
  2109. 1:25:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Onto amendment four. Excuse me.
  2110. 1:25:35 Unknown speaker [snorts] For amendment four, the
  2111. 1:25:36 Unknown speaker applicant requests some modification to
  2112. 1:25:38 Unknown speaker the adopted language to provide
  2113. 1:25:39 Unknown speaker additional clarity. As a reminder, this
  2114. 1:25:42 Unknown speaker amendment addresses the existing silo
  2115. 1:25:43 Unknown speaker located on the site. As indicated by the
  2116. 1:25:46 Unknown speaker orange circle on the plan,
  2117. 1:25:49 Unknown speaker we would request that council amends the
  2118. 1:25:50 Unknown speaker language to add the blue text that is
  2119. 1:25:52 Unknown speaker shown in the box. I think this maintains
  2120. 1:25:54 Unknown speaker your intent but provides a clearer
  2121. 1:25:55 Unknown speaker direction for the historic preservation
  2122. 1:25:57 Unknown speaker commission and to the applicant. I also
  2123. 1:26:00 Unknown speaker want to discuss asylum in a bit more
  2124. 1:26:01 Unknown speaker detail and address some of the questions
  2125. 1:26:03 Unknown speaker that council had at the last meeting.
  2126. 1:26:06 Unknown speaker We [snorts] were asked about the
  2127. 1:26:07 Unknown speaker potential development impacts of keeping
  2128. 1:26:09 Unknown speaker the silo on the site. We anticipate
  2129. 1:26:11 Unknown speaker losing at least four market rate homes
  2130. 1:26:13 Unknown speaker and one inclusionary home. This is due
  2131. 1:26:15 Unknown speaker to the location and the [snorts] setback
  2132. 1:26:17 Unknown speaker required for the silo as well as the
  2133. 1:26:18 Unknown speaker rerouting of a street that bisects the
  2134. 1:26:20 Unknown speaker site as shown on the plan to the right.
  2135. 1:26:23 Unknown speaker I think the pocket park would also need
  2136. 1:26:25 Unknown speaker to be relocated to the corner of site
  2137. 1:26:27 Unknown speaker that is a less [snorts] desirable
  2138. 1:26:28 Unknown speaker location since it would be on the edge
  2139. 1:26:30 Unknown speaker of the development making it less
  2140. 1:26:31 Unknown speaker visible and accessible to the community.
  2141. 1:26:33 Unknown speaker I would also note the silo may
  2142. 1:26:35 Unknown speaker ultimately require a homeowners
  2143. 1:26:37 Unknown speaker association to assume responsibility for
  2144. 1:26:38 Unknown speaker maintenance, inspection, repair, and
  2145. 1:26:40 Unknown speaker liability associated for this with
  2146. 1:26:42 Unknown speaker associated with the structure for
  2147. 1:26:44 Unknown speaker decades. I have [snorts] real concerns
  2148. 1:26:46 Unknown speaker about the cost and willingness of an
  2149. 1:26:47 Unknown speaker insurance agency to cover the liability
  2150. 1:26:49 Unknown speaker risk of the silo presents as well as
  2151. 1:26:51 Unknown speaker potential costs for future homeowners to
  2152. 1:26:52 Unknown speaker the property.
  2153. 1:26:55 Unknown speaker Here's some recent photos of the silo.
  2154. 1:26:57 Unknown speaker We also had a few other concerns with
  2155. 1:26:58 Unknown speaker the silo and for council's own
  2156. 1:27:00 Unknown speaker information, I'll present these
  2157. 1:27:01 Unknown speaker concerns.
  2158. 1:27:03 Unknown speaker Um, this type of silo is what's called a
  2159. 1:27:05 Unknown speaker concrete stave silo. It is a type of
  2160. 1:27:07 Unknown speaker mass-produced silo popular in the early
  2161. 1:27:09 Unknown speaker to mid 20th century. It's made of
  2162. 1:27:11 Unknown speaker concrete staves that are held together
  2163. 1:27:12 Unknown speaker by metal straps, very similar to a
  2164. 1:27:14 Unknown speaker barrel. Uh, they were popular because
  2165. 1:27:16 Unknown speaker they were relatively expensive,
  2166. 1:27:18 Unknown speaker manufactured offsite, and then shipped
  2167. 1:27:20 Unknown speaker to the site for final assembly.
  2168. 1:27:24 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  2169. 1:27:24 Unknown speaker Uh so structurally because the metal
  2170. 1:27:26 Unknown speaker bands use tension to hold the concrete
  2171. 1:27:28 Unknown speaker staves in place, there's a risk that if
  2172. 1:27:30 Unknown speaker those slip or break due to corrosion,
  2173. 1:27:32 Unknown speaker earth movement, or even somebody
  2174. 1:27:33 Unknown speaker climbing the structure, it could cause a
  2175. 1:27:35 Unknown speaker sudden and unexpected collapse. While
  2176. 1:27:38 Unknown speaker this might have been acceptable for a
  2177. 1:27:40 Unknown speaker risk on a farm, I have real concerns
  2178. 1:27:42 Unknown speaker with this type of silo being located in
  2179. 1:27:44 Unknown speaker a public space and near a residential
  2180. 1:27:46 Unknown speaker community. [snorts] The other safety
  2181. 1:27:47 Unknown speaker concern is the ability to climb the
  2182. 1:27:48 Unknown speaker structure. The metal bands make the silo
  2183. 1:27:51 Unknown speaker easily climbable and because the
  2184. 1:27:53 Unknown speaker structure function because of the
  2185. 1:27:54 Unknown speaker structural function of the bands they
  2186. 1:27:56 Unknown speaker are not able to be removed or modified.
  2187. 1:27:58 Unknown speaker Based on these factors the continued
  2188. 1:28:00 Unknown speaker presence of the aband silo in my
  2189. 1:28:02 Unknown speaker professional opinion represents an
  2190. 1:28:03 Unknown speaker unreasonable risk to the public safety
  2191. 1:28:05 Unknown speaker particularly children and other
  2192. 1:28:06 Unknown speaker individuals who may be attracted to
  2193. 1:28:08 Unknown speaker climb the structure.
  2194. 1:28:11 Unknown speaker So [snorts] in conclusion, we would be
  2195. 1:28:13 Unknown speaker okay with the language as shown uh
  2196. 1:28:15 Unknown speaker amended. Uh, but if there's a desire for
  2197. 1:28:17 Unknown speaker council to make the language more
  2198. 1:28:18 Unknown speaker prescriptive, I think we would like to
  2199. 1:28:20 Unknown speaker have a more in-depth conversation about
  2200. 1:28:22 Unknown speaker the silo.
  2201. 1:28:24 Unknown speaker Finally, that's the end of my
  2202. 1:28:25 Unknown speaker presentation. Um, thank you for your
  2203. 1:28:27 Unknown speaker continued support of this project. I'm
  2204. 1:28:29 Unknown speaker available to address any questions you
  2205. 1:28:31 Unknown speaker may have.
  2206. 1:28:32 Unknown speaker Do we have any questions from council?
  2207. 1:28:34 Unknown speaker Council member Marcine.
  2208. 1:28:36 Unknown speaker Actually, mayor, it wasn't a question.
  2209. 1:28:37 Unknown speaker It was a motion, but if we're not there
  2210. 1:28:39 Unknown speaker yet, we can do we need to wait for the
  2211. 1:28:41 Unknown speaker ordinance to actually officially come
  2212. 1:28:42 Unknown speaker up.
  2213. 1:28:42 Unknown speaker We actually have to do the public
  2214. 1:28:43 Unknown speaker hearing first. Okay. Yes.
  2215. 1:28:46 Unknown speaker Okay. Council member
  2216. 1:28:49 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  2217. 1:28:52 Unknown speaker Uh thank you, Mayor. I I did have one or
  2218. 1:28:55 Unknown speaker two questions here. First, just uh thank
  2219. 1:28:57 Unknown speaker you, Jonah, for the the thorough uh
  2220. 1:28:59 Unknown speaker consideration of our conditions that
  2221. 1:29:00 Unknown speaker were proposed last two weeks ago. Part
  2222. 1:29:03 Unknown speaker of the goal of, you know, giving you
  2223. 1:29:04 Unknown speaker that heads up is to allow you to have a
  2224. 1:29:06 Unknown speaker chance to kind of prepare and and and
  2225. 1:29:07 Unknown speaker think about that. And I appreciate that
  2226. 1:29:08 Unknown speaker you've done that. Um I actually first
  2227. 1:29:10 Unknown speaker have a question for staff. Uh well,
  2228. 1:29:12 Unknown speaker actually, um question for the applicant
  2229. 1:29:14 Unknown speaker first. You had indicated that you didn't
  2230. 1:29:15 Unknown speaker have any concerns with uh condition
  2231. 1:29:18 Unknown speaker three, correct? On the cut through
  2232. 1:29:19 Unknown speaker traffic to Boxelder Drive. That's
  2233. 1:29:21 Unknown speaker correct. Thank you. I appreciate that
  2234. 1:29:23 Unknown speaker cuz that was one of the primary concerns
  2235. 1:29:25 Unknown speaker I've been hearing from residents in the
  2236. 1:29:26 Unknown speaker neighborhood. And I'm sure you heard
  2237. 1:29:27 Unknown speaker some of that as well through the public
  2238. 1:29:28 Unknown speaker hearing pro the neighborhood meeting
  2239. 1:29:30 Unknown speaker process. Um question for either Nathan
  2240. 1:29:32 Unknown speaker or maybe Josh uh um or public works,
  2241. 1:29:36 Unknown speaker whoever's here. Um there we go. Yeah,
  2242. 1:29:38 Unknown speaker Josh is in the back there. Um when we
  2243. 1:29:41 Unknown speaker were talking when I was talking with um
  2244. 1:29:43 Unknown speaker you Nathan and with Jim the city
  2245. 1:29:44 Unknown speaker engineer about just like what was what
  2246. 1:29:46 Unknown speaker what would these physical infrastructure
  2247. 1:29:48 Unknown speaker controls most likely look like given the
  2248. 1:29:51 Unknown speaker current language and what makes sense.
  2249. 1:29:53 Unknown speaker Um there was some discussion that I had
  2250. 1:29:55 Unknown speaker with Jim via email but I wanted to ask
  2251. 1:29:56 Unknown speaker Josh kind of for for your professional
  2252. 1:29:59 Unknown speaker uh input on this. Um, based on the
  2253. 1:30:02 Unknown speaker current language, do you have a sense of
  2254. 1:30:03 Unknown speaker what would most likely result obviously
  2255. 1:30:05 Unknown speaker given discussions with the the developer
  2256. 1:30:08 Unknown speaker on site and kind of really thinking
  2257. 1:30:10 Unknown speaker about exactly the location of kind of
  2258. 1:30:12 Unknown speaker that access road. Um, but I would just
  2259. 1:30:14 Unknown speaker be curious what you're thinking from
  2260. 1:30:15 Unknown speaker that physical infrastructure controls.
  2261. 1:30:18 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  2262. 1:30:18 Unknown speaker Uh, good evening, council, council
  2263. 1:30:21 Unknown speaker member Popkin, mayor. Uh, Josh Sherman,
  2264. 1:30:23 Unknown speaker civil engineer with public works.
  2265. 1:30:26 Unknown speaker um following up um from a couple weeks
  2266. 1:30:29 Unknown speaker ago and and continued conversations with
  2267. 1:30:31 Unknown speaker regard to this access um specifically
  2268. 1:30:34 Unknown speaker going north um from Quail Road into the
  2269. 1:30:37 Unknown speaker existing subdivision.
  2270. 1:30:39 Unknown speaker I I think what Jim was trying to
  2271. 1:30:40 Unknown speaker describe, right, was something that was
  2272. 1:30:42 Unknown speaker discussed maybe in terms of physical
  2273. 1:30:44 Unknown speaker infrastructure could be what's termed a
  2274. 1:30:47 Unknown speaker speed pillow or a speed cushion, not to
  2275. 1:30:48 Unknown speaker be confused with a speed bump, but you
  2276. 1:30:51 Unknown speaker know, a form of um impediment in the
  2277. 1:30:54 Unknown speaker traveled way to try to slow down
  2278. 1:30:56 Unknown speaker traffic. Um, also maybe some kind of
  2279. 1:30:58 Unknown speaker curb bumpout as well that can help
  2280. 1:31:01 Unknown speaker narrow that lane and act as a traffic
  2281. 1:31:03 Unknown speaker calming measure. So, those are some
  2282. 1:31:05 Unknown speaker examples of maybe potentially physical
  2283. 1:31:07 Unknown speaker improvements um in the roadway that
  2284. 1:31:10 Unknown speaker would uh help with with that traffic
  2285. 1:31:13 Unknown speaker calming or mitigation.
  2286. 1:31:14 Unknown speaker Yeah, thank you. Um, one of the I'll
  2287. 1:31:16 Unknown speaker just read from Jim's email as well. One
  2288. 1:31:18 Unknown speaker of one of the mentions that he had was a
  2289. 1:31:20 Unknown speaker potential curb extension could be
  2290. 1:31:22 Unknown speaker designed in a directional manner. Could
  2291. 1:31:23 Unknown speaker you just elaborate on what that means
  2292. 1:31:26 Unknown speaker and what that looks like and kind of uh
  2293. 1:31:28 Unknown speaker say assume I'm an eighth grader.
  2294. 1:31:30 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2295. 1:31:31 Unknown speaker Um, I'm trying to trying to picture that
  2296. 1:31:34 Unknown speaker and then maybe describe it in words.
  2297. 1:31:36 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2298. 1:31:37 Unknown speaker Um, I I think some of this is going to
  2299. 1:31:39 Unknown speaker depend ultimately on where this access
  2300. 1:31:42 Unknown speaker this proposed access aligns on Quail
  2301. 1:31:44 Unknown speaker Road.
  2302. 1:31:45 Unknown speaker Um, and whether or not that aligns with
  2303. 1:31:47 Unknown speaker the existing access to the north, which
  2304. 1:31:50 Unknown speaker would set up more of a T intersection.
  2305. 1:31:51 Unknown speaker Sure.
  2306. 1:31:52 Unknown speaker As opposed to an offset intersection. If
  2307. 1:31:54 Unknown speaker it was more of an offset intersection,
  2308. 1:31:57 Unknown speaker um I could picture an angled sort of
  2309. 1:32:01 Unknown speaker bumpout that directs traffic more left
  2310. 1:32:04 Unknown speaker than right.
  2311. 1:32:05 Unknown speaker Basically just towards the just towards
  2312. 1:32:06 Unknown speaker the airport road. [clears throat]
  2313. 1:32:08 Unknown speaker Correct. Yes. West on Quail and towards
  2314. 1:32:10 Unknown speaker Airport Road. Um that could have been
  2315. 1:32:13 Unknown speaker what was you know sort of being
  2316. 1:32:14 Unknown speaker described.
  2317. 1:32:15 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um, and just from your
  2318. 1:32:17 Unknown speaker from your uh reading and understanding
  2319. 1:32:18 Unknown speaker of the condition that was offered, um,
  2320. 1:32:21 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  2321. 1:32:22 Unknown speaker do you have any concerns or hesitations
  2322. 1:32:25 Unknown speaker of a lack of clarity in terms of what
  2323. 1:32:28 Unknown speaker the goal of that condition is in terms
  2324. 1:32:29 Unknown speaker of physically deterring traffic like cut
  2325. 1:32:32 Unknown speaker through traffic on Boxelder Drive?
  2326. 1:32:35 Unknown speaker No, I think the I think it's clear.
  2327. 1:32:37 Unknown speaker And same question to the applicant to
  2328. 1:32:39 Unknown speaker Jonah. Do you guys have any any concern
  2329. 1:32:41 Unknown speaker or lack of clarity as to what's intended
  2330. 1:32:43 Unknown speaker from this condition? I think it's pretty
  2331. 1:32:45 Unknown speaker clear.
  2332. 1:32:46 Unknown speaker Thank you very much. Um, one last
  2333. 1:32:48 Unknown speaker question for
  2334. 1:32:50 Unknown speaker uh, Nathan here. Um, we had talked about
  2335. 1:32:53 Unknown speaker multif family attached and mentioned
  2336. 1:32:55 Unknown speaker kind of town homes as an option. Are
  2337. 1:32:57 Unknown speaker there any other types of multif family
  2338. 1:32:59 Unknown speaker attached with a separate vertical common
  2339. 1:33:01 Unknown speaker party wall?
  2340. 1:33:02 Unknown speaker Yeah, that language is in there fairly
  2341. 1:33:04 Unknown speaker specifically. Um, our land development
  2342. 1:33:06 Unknown speaker code includes definitions for single
  2343. 1:33:08 Unknown speaker family attached as opposed to multif
  2344. 1:33:10 Unknown speaker family. Single family attached allows up
  2345. 1:33:13 Unknown speaker to four dwelling units and multif family
  2346. 1:33:15 Unknown speaker allows attached up to any number. So you
  2347. 1:33:18 Unknown speaker could have five or more um town houses
  2348. 1:33:22 Unknown speaker that would be considered multif family
  2349. 1:33:23 Unknown speaker for example. Um there are different
  2350. 1:33:25 Unknown speaker standards within the land development
  2351. 1:33:26 Unknown speaker code that apply to attached versus
  2352. 1:33:29 Unknown speaker multif family. Um, so the vertical
  2353. 1:33:33 Unknown speaker common party wall, in addition to the
  2354. 1:33:36 Unknown speaker requirement that each dwelling unit be
  2355. 1:33:38 Unknown speaker on its own individually platted lot,
  2356. 1:33:40 Unknown speaker will require that they're essentially
  2357. 1:33:42 Unknown speaker lined up like a standard townhouse. Um,
  2358. 1:33:45 Unknown speaker and that restriction is or uh condition
  2359. 1:33:47 Unknown speaker is in there again to try to address
  2360. 1:33:50 Unknown speaker concerns about stacked multif family um
  2361. 1:33:52 Unknown speaker or more of a garden style apartment
  2362. 1:33:55 Unknown speaker development that would otherwise also be
  2363. 1:33:56 Unknown speaker allowed under the zoning zoning
  2364. 1:33:58 Unknown speaker district.
  2365. 1:33:59 Unknown speaker Thank you. So in in practice here, given
  2366. 1:34:01 Unknown speaker the conditions that are already on that
  2367. 1:34:02 Unknown speaker and what the applicant has brought
  2368. 1:34:04 Unknown speaker forward, at most this would be basically
  2369. 1:34:08 Unknown speaker five or six town homes connected, right?
  2370. 1:34:11 Unknown speaker That would be when we're talking about
  2371. 1:34:12 Unknown speaker like the densest part of this, that
  2372. 1:34:14 Unknown speaker would be what we're talking about.
  2373. 1:34:15 Unknown speaker Correct.
  2374. 1:34:16 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's that's about right. Great.
  2375. 1:34:17 Unknown speaker Appreciate it. Thank you.
  2376. 1:34:21 Unknown speaker Turn that back on. Okay. Do we have any
  2377. 1:34:22 Unknown speaker other questions from council? Um I do
  2378. 1:34:25 Unknown speaker want to go back um to those questions
  2379. 1:34:29 Unknown speaker so we can respond to that prior to the
  2380. 1:34:32 Unknown speaker um public hearing. Um so on the
  2381. 1:34:35 Unknown speaker slideshow the those
  2382. 1:34:36 Unknown speaker I'll pull those back up.
  2383. 1:34:37 Unknown speaker Yeah, that would be great. Um and if
  2384. 1:34:39 Unknown speaker anyone wanted to weigh in on
  2385. 1:34:43 Unknown speaker especially those who made um the
  2386. 1:34:45 Unknown speaker recommended changes.
  2387. 1:34:51 Unknown speaker Okay. Um,
  2388. 1:34:52 Unknown speaker these are the staff questions that we
  2389. 1:34:53 Unknown speaker had again specifically to item number
  2390. 1:34:56 Unknown speaker two.
  2391. 1:34:56 Unknown speaker Yes. Around the bike share. Um, Council
  2392. 1:34:58 Unknown speaker Member Popkin, I believe you were the
  2393. 1:35:00 Unknown speaker one who
  2394. 1:35:01 Unknown speaker requested that. Yes.
  2395. 1:35:03 Unknown speaker Yes, indeed, Mayor. Um, happy to speak
  2396. 1:35:04 Unknown speaker to this. I I actually um would could we
  2397. 1:35:07 Unknown speaker throw actually the applicant's
  2398. 1:35:08 Unknown speaker suggestions back up to that. I I don't
  2399. 1:35:10 Unknown speaker think I actually had any issues with
  2400. 1:35:12 Unknown speaker those and I appreciated the
  2401. 1:35:13 Unknown speaker thoughtfulness with those. I just wanted
  2402. 1:35:14 Unknown speaker to see that one more time. Um, and then
  2403. 1:35:17 Unknown speaker maybe I'll clarify one more piece of
  2404. 1:35:18 Unknown speaker intent there. That's condition two.
  2405. 1:35:21 Unknown speaker Yeah, require the facility only if an
  2406. 1:35:23 Unknown speaker operator commits. Yes, I I wouldn't want
  2407. 1:35:25 Unknown speaker a standalone facility um to just be
  2408. 1:35:28 Unknown speaker existing with nothing to connect to. Um
  2409. 1:35:31 Unknown speaker so I think uh sub component one of that
  2410. 1:35:33 Unknown speaker is fine. Staff should be mult.
  2411. 1:35:38 Unknown speaker That's fine. Allow bike share facility
  2412. 1:35:40 Unknown speaker to be located within our right. Yep,
  2413. 1:35:42 Unknown speaker that's fine. Yeah, I have I have zero
  2414. 1:35:43 Unknown speaker concerns with the applicants suggestions
  2415. 1:35:45 Unknown speaker on this. I think they enhance the
  2416. 1:35:47 Unknown speaker clarity of this and um thank you. Um and
  2417. 1:35:50 Unknown speaker I will just note that um I was planning
  2418. 1:35:53 Unknown speaker to bring a um clarification tonight that
  2419. 1:35:57 Unknown speaker if there isn't an operating facility
  2420. 1:35:59 Unknown speaker like a compatible facility that this
  2421. 1:36:00 Unknown speaker would be null. Um so I I think uh sub
  2422. 1:36:03 Unknown speaker component one of this addresses that
  2423. 1:36:05 Unknown speaker directly. Um
  2424. 1:36:07 Unknown speaker would um I also don't have an issue if
  2425. 1:36:10 Unknown speaker the applicant wants to um kind of stage
  2426. 1:36:13 Unknown speaker the implementation of this within a year
  2427. 1:36:14 Unknown speaker of the start of occupancy. Um, I don't
  2428. 1:36:17 Unknown speaker know if that needs to be added to the
  2429. 1:36:18 Unknown speaker condition, but I just want to state that
  2430. 1:36:20 Unknown speaker on the record if that is helpful to
  2431. 1:36:21 Unknown speaker understand. I don't know if that
  2432. 1:36:22 Unknown speaker flexibility matters to the applicant,
  2433. 1:36:24 Unknown speaker but I I don't mind if that is just how
  2434. 1:36:26 Unknown speaker you're kind of pulling this all
  2435. 1:36:27 Unknown speaker together.
  2436. 1:36:30 Unknown speaker Uh, I think any flexibility would be
  2437. 1:36:32 Unknown speaker helpful to the applicant. So,
  2438. 1:36:34 Unknown speaker okay,
  2439. 1:36:35 Unknown speaker great. Then I will plan to add that as a
  2440. 1:36:37 Unknown speaker a very small amendment to the condition
  2441. 1:36:39 Unknown speaker later.
  2442. 1:36:40 Unknown speaker Okay. Do will this item need to be
  2443. 1:36:42 Unknown speaker amended to include that?
  2444. 1:36:44 Unknown speaker Yes.
  2445. 1:36:44 Unknown speaker How do you Okay. Um any amendments? I
  2446. 1:36:46 Unknown speaker have it.
  2447. 1:36:47 Unknown speaker Perfect. Okay.
  2448. 1:36:48 Unknown speaker Y
  2449. 1:36:49 Unknown speaker and um I guess the other item was um the
  2450. 1:36:53 Unknown speaker um the around the silo
  2451. 1:36:56 Unknown speaker that was from you. So I will council
  2452. 1:36:59 Unknown speaker member Marine.
  2453. 1:37:00 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I'm perfectly
  2454. 1:37:02 Unknown speaker comfortable with the language of the
  2455. 1:37:03 Unknown speaker applicants bringing forward on this. I
  2456. 1:37:04 Unknown speaker think it's reasonable. Um my my purpose
  2457. 1:37:06 Unknown speaker in offering that condition and and kind
  2458. 1:37:08 Unknown speaker of um it is interesting that we were
  2459. 1:37:10 Unknown speaker wrong. It's not the red brick silo. is
  2460. 1:37:12 Unknown speaker the uh it is the the larger I think more
  2461. 1:37:14 Unknown speaker historically potentially historically
  2462. 1:37:16 Unknown speaker significant um silo. But I am my goal
  2463. 1:37:19 Unknown speaker was to have historic preservation look
  2464. 1:37:20 Unknown speaker at it and consider its um potential
  2465. 1:37:23 Unknown speaker historic character. I'm comfortable with
  2466. 1:37:25 Unknown speaker with the language that the applicant's
  2467. 1:37:26 Unknown speaker proposing and we'll offer an amendment
  2468. 1:37:28 Unknown speaker to as such.
  2469. 1:37:29 Unknown speaker Great. Okay. Get that prepared. Um and
  2470. 1:37:32 Unknown speaker then
  2471. 1:37:34 Unknown speaker um go ahead.
  2472. 1:37:36 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And can we just go
  2473. 1:37:37 Unknown speaker back to the uh notes for that one as
  2474. 1:37:39 Unknown speaker well on just the cost implications of
  2475. 1:37:41 Unknown speaker that on kind of the units and
  2476. 1:37:45 Unknown speaker or maybe Jonah, you were sharing that
  2477. 1:37:47 Unknown speaker out loud.
  2478. 1:37:48 Unknown speaker Oh, I was
  2479. 1:37:49 Unknown speaker No, it wasn't this one. It was the the
  2480. 1:37:51 Unknown speaker other one. Um because you were saying
  2481. 1:37:53 Unknown speaker this might have to affect
  2482. 1:37:56 Unknown speaker four market rate homes and one
  2483. 1:37:58 Unknown speaker affordable home.
  2484. 1:38:01 Unknown speaker Uh that's correct.
  2485. 1:38:03 Unknown speaker Yes. estimates that.
  2486. 1:38:07 Unknown speaker And part of that is because um typically
  2487. 1:38:11 Unknown speaker with structures like towers or silos,
  2488. 1:38:14 Unknown speaker you have to plan for a setback of one
  2489. 1:38:17 Unknown speaker and a half times the height
  2490. 1:38:18 Unknown speaker in case it falls.
  2491. 1:38:19 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2492. 1:38:20 Unknown speaker In case it pulls a Jenga,
  2493. 1:38:22 Unknown speaker right? Yeah.
  2494. 1:38:23 Unknown speaker Okay. Um thank you for that
  2495. 1:38:25 Unknown speaker clarification.
  2496. 1:38:25 Unknown speaker Okay. Great. Thank you. Okay. So, um,
  2497. 1:38:29 Unknown speaker having looked at both of these, um,
  2498. 1:38:32 Unknown speaker Eugene, do you want us to make the
  2499. 1:38:34 Unknown speaker amendment first or then open the public
  2500. 1:38:35 Unknown speaker or open the public hearing?
  2501. 1:38:38 Unknown speaker I believe we're looking at the
  2502. 1:38:39 Unknown speaker resolution. Most of these amendments
  2503. 1:38:40 Unknown speaker would go on the ordinance, which would
  2504. 1:38:42 Unknown speaker go next.
  2505. 1:38:43 Unknown speaker Okay. Um,
  2506. 1:38:45 Unknown speaker and then we have combined public hearing
  2507. 1:38:47 Unknown speaker two in one.
  2508. 1:38:50 Unknown speaker That's correct. The public hearing is
  2509. 1:38:51 Unknown speaker actually part of the
  2510. 1:38:52 Unknown speaker I'm looking at Eugene's face
  2511. 1:38:54 Unknown speaker ordinance. It's u they're both tied
  2512. 1:38:56 Unknown speaker together. So, we presented them at the
  2513. 1:38:58 Unknown speaker same time.
  2514. 1:38:59 Unknown speaker Yes.
  2515. 1:38:59 Unknown speaker Um,
  2516. 1:39:00 Unknown speaker but we will vote individually.
  2517. 1:39:02 Unknown speaker We will vote individually. We're going
  2518. 1:39:04 Unknown speaker to hear. I just want to know when would
  2519. 1:39:06 Unknown speaker be the best place for public hearing. Do
  2520. 1:39:09 Unknown speaker you want us to do the amendments to
  2521. 1:39:10 Unknown speaker these items first or public hearing
  2522. 1:39:12 Unknown speaker first?
  2523. 1:39:13 Unknown speaker Mayor and council. I think the public
  2524. 1:39:15 Unknown speaker hearing first.
  2525. 1:39:16 Unknown speaker Yeah. Um and we're I think technically
  2526. 1:39:18 Unknown speaker on the resolution for eligibility of
  2527. 1:39:20 Unknown speaker annexation and these conditions
  2528. 1:39:22 Unknown speaker are on the
  2529. 1:39:23 Unknown speaker are within the ordinance for annexation
  2530. 1:39:26 Unknown speaker which is next
  2531. 1:39:27 Unknown speaker and yeah and then that's when we'll
  2532. 1:39:29 Unknown speaker that's when we'll do amendments to the
  2533. 1:39:31 Unknown speaker conditions. So with that, I will now
  2534. 1:39:33 Unknown speaker open the public hearing on um both
  2535. 1:39:36 Unknown speaker resolution 2026-
  2536. 1:39:38 Unknown speaker um 2026-70
  2537. 1:39:41 Unknown speaker and resolution or ordinance 2026-62.
  2538. 1:39:45 Unknown speaker And I do have a list here of uh people
  2539. 1:39:49 Unknown speaker wishing to speak. The first person on
  2540. 1:39:51 Unknown speaker the list is uh Fred Zamroski.
  2541. 1:39:55 Unknown speaker Come on down. And you are given three
  2542. 1:39:57 Unknown speaker minutes.
  2543. 1:40:05 Unknown speaker I first want to recognize the council
  2544. 1:40:10 Unknown speaker for all the work you do about creating
  2545. 1:40:13 Unknown speaker more affordable and attainable homes.
  2546. 1:40:16 Unknown speaker It's um the the clearest example of that
  2547. 1:40:19 Unknown speaker is beyond Costco. I guess kind of the
  2548. 1:40:22 Unknown speaker it's out there and in construction, but
  2549. 1:40:24 Unknown speaker I know you've got more planned and uh
  2550. 1:40:28 Unknown speaker speaking for all the people that
  2551. 1:40:31 Unknown speaker could be never being able to attend or
  2552. 1:40:35 Unknown speaker to uh acquire a home. Um you're working
  2553. 1:40:39 Unknown speaker hard to to make that happen. Now, I have
  2554. 1:40:43 Unknown speaker a specific question about this
  2555. 1:40:46 Unknown speaker particular annexation.
  2556. 1:40:49 Unknown speaker what percent of the homes of the all the
  2557. 1:40:54 Unknown speaker property will be rental and how much
  2558. 1:40:56 Unknown speaker will be uh affordable and attainable for
  2559. 1:40:59 Unknown speaker sale.
  2560. 1:41:00 Unknown speaker So um Fred, so this isn't a dialogue.
  2561. 1:41:02 Unknown speaker It's just public comment. Okay.
  2562. 1:41:04 Unknown speaker Um but you are welcome to to um ask one
  2563. 1:41:08 Unknown speaker of these gentlemen sitting up here in
  2564. 1:41:09 Unknown speaker the front. [laughter]
  2565. 1:41:12 Unknown speaker Snatch them up. Okay, great. Thank you.
  2566. 1:41:14 Unknown speaker Um, N are you done or did you have more
  2567. 1:41:18 Unknown speaker to say?
  2568. 1:41:18 Unknown speaker Well, I don't ask now.
  2569. 1:41:20 Unknown speaker No, no, you if you wanted to have more
  2570. 1:41:22 Unknown speaker to say to us as the voting body,
  2571. 1:41:25 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  2572. 1:41:25 Unknown speaker but are they on
  2573. 1:41:29 Unknown speaker I'd like to know whether the council
  2574. 1:41:31 Unknown speaker knows
  2575. 1:41:32 Unknown speaker what percentage of of this is going to
  2576. 1:41:35 Unknown speaker be affordable and attainable.
  2577. 1:41:37 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Yeah. And we don't answer
  2578. 1:41:39 Unknown speaker right now.
  2579. 1:41:41 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2580. 1:41:42 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2581. 1:41:42 Unknown speaker Okay. How will the public find out?
  2582. 1:41:45 Unknown speaker So, go ahead.
  2583. 1:41:48 Unknown speaker Yes, mayor. Um, the uh affordable
  2584. 1:41:52 Unknown speaker housing agreements are um once again
  2585. 1:41:54 Unknown speaker typically uh handled at the time of uh
  2586. 1:41:57 Unknown speaker platting subdivision which is which
  2587. 1:41:59 Unknown speaker would also require a public hearing. Um
  2588. 1:42:02 Unknown speaker so in the future as uh this site
  2589. 1:42:03 Unknown speaker actually develops uh there will be
  2590. 1:42:05 Unknown speaker additional meetings such as this where
  2591. 1:42:08 Unknown speaker um the actual affordability mix uh would
  2592. 1:42:11 Unknown speaker um I believe an affordable housing
  2593. 1:42:13 Unknown speaker agreement if uh there is any on land
  2594. 1:42:16 Unknown speaker dedication versus on-site um would come
  2595. 1:42:19 Unknown speaker to this council for uh future
  2596. 1:42:21 Unknown speaker determination. Um but that all that to
  2597. 1:42:23 Unknown speaker say this would be um an item that would
  2598. 1:42:26 Unknown speaker go under consideration under future
  2599. 1:42:28 Unknown speaker review. um it's not necessarily
  2600. 1:42:30 Unknown speaker pertinent to the annexation request at
  2601. 1:42:32 Unknown speaker this time. Um the land development code
  2602. 1:42:34 Unknown speaker allows for or the uh city municipal
  2603. 1:42:37 Unknown speaker ordinance allows for a variety of
  2604. 1:42:39 Unknown speaker different options for compliance with
  2605. 1:42:40 Unknown speaker the uh inclusionary housing ordinance.
  2606. 1:42:43 Unknown speaker Um the other piece I would just note um
  2607. 1:42:45 Unknown speaker you asked about rental. Um typically
  2608. 1:42:47 Unknown speaker land development code and zoning doesn't
  2609. 1:42:49 Unknown speaker regulate um ownership types outside of
  2610. 1:42:52 Unknown speaker um an affordable housing agreement. Um
  2611. 1:42:55 Unknown speaker so we wouldn't um be able to speak to uh
  2612. 1:42:58 Unknown speaker you know some future rental versus
  2613. 1:43:00 Unknown speaker ownership. That said they would very
  2614. 1:43:02 Unknown speaker likely uh under the existing conditions
  2615. 1:43:06 Unknown speaker the units would be um
  2616. 1:43:08 Unknown speaker they would not be they would not be
  2617. 1:43:10 Unknown speaker rental like apartment type units. Sorry
  2618. 1:43:12 Unknown speaker for taking up.
  2619. 1:43:12 Unknown speaker No that's fine. Thank you Fred.
  2620. 1:43:14 Unknown speaker Okay. Um next person on the list
  2621. 1:43:16 Unknown speaker Shaquille Dal.
  2622. 1:43:26 Unknown speaker I'm speaking in favor of the Dry Creek
  2623. 1:43:28 Unknown speaker annexation tonight because the math on
  2624. 1:43:30 Unknown speaker Longmont's housing market is undeniable.
  2625. 1:43:32 Unknown speaker Don't forget to state your name.
  2626. 1:43:33 Unknown speaker Shaquille Dal, 219 Francis Street. Over
  2627. 1:43:36 Unknown speaker the last two decades, living in Longmont
  2628. 1:43:37 Unknown speaker has become unaffordable for most
  2629. 1:43:39 Unknown speaker families. This happened because it's a
  2630. 1:43:41 Unknown speaker great city to live in, but restrictions
  2631. 1:43:42 Unknown speaker designed to limit supply combined with
  2632. 1:43:44 Unknown speaker ownorous approval processes across
  2633. 1:43:46 Unknown speaker Boulder County have created a structural
  2634. 1:43:47 Unknown speaker deficit. In a market economy, when a
  2635. 1:43:50 Unknown speaker desirable commodity is kept in short
  2636. 1:43:51 Unknown speaker supply, only the highest biders get it
  2637. 1:43:53 Unknown speaker and spi prices spiral upwards. We cannot
  2638. 1:43:56 Unknown speaker subsidize or restrict our way out of a
  2639. 1:43:58 Unknown speaker supply shortage. Subsidies attached to
  2640. 1:44:00 Unknown speaker home ownership eventually leave public
  2641. 1:44:02 Unknown speaker control, and niche programs only assist
  2642. 1:44:04 Unknown speaker a lucky few. The durable solution is
  2643. 1:44:06 Unknown speaker simply to build enough housing across
  2644. 1:44:08 Unknown speaker the entire spectrum so that highincome
  2645. 1:44:10 Unknown speaker buyers can purchase new homes without
  2646. 1:44:12 Unknown speaker competing for and driving up the cost of
  2647. 1:44:14 Unknown speaker existing housing stock. We are seeing
  2648. 1:44:16 Unknown speaker this play out in Longmont right now.
  2649. 1:44:18 Unknown speaker During Council Member Popkins focus
  2650. 1:44:20 Unknown speaker group on the MUIR zone that's being
  2651. 1:44:22 Unknown speaker developed by the city, we reviewed
  2652. 1:44:24 Unknown speaker prelim preliminary data from the
  2653. 1:44:25 Unknown speaker upcoming 2026 housing needs assessment.
  2654. 1:44:28 Unknown speaker The data clearly shows that constructing
  2655. 1:44:30 Unknown speaker market rate luxury apartments has
  2656. 1:44:32 Unknown speaker stabilized and lowered rents across all
  2657. 1:44:34 Unknown speaker categories, including naturally
  2658. 1:44:36 Unknown speaker affordable units. In fact, market rate
  2659. 1:44:39 Unknown speaker supply has expanded so effectively that
  2660. 1:44:40 Unknown speaker market rents are currently lower than
  2661. 1:44:42 Unknown speaker the city's subsidized rents. This is why
  2662. 1:44:44 Unknown speaker the Longmont Housing Authority is
  2663. 1:44:46 Unknown speaker currently offering two months of free
  2664. 1:44:47 Unknown speaker rent to attract tenants at Ascent at
  2665. 1:44:49 Unknown speaker Hover Crossing, which is one of the
  2666. 1:44:51 Unknown speaker city's newest and most desirable
  2667. 1:44:52 Unknown speaker affordable housing developments. This
  2668. 1:44:54 Unknown speaker shows that market rate inventory works
  2669. 1:44:56 Unknown speaker supply release pressure across the
  2670. 1:44:58 Unknown speaker entire system. The Dry Creek annexation
  2671. 1:45:00 Unknown speaker is an incremental step applying this
  2672. 1:45:02 Unknown speaker exact lesson to ownership and single
  2673. 1:45:04 Unknown speaker family housing. The concept plan
  2674. 1:45:06 Unknown speaker includes a diverse range of housing
  2675. 1:45:08 Unknown speaker types, including detached single family
  2676. 1:45:09 Unknown speaker homes and attached town homes. By
  2677. 1:45:12 Unknown speaker approving this annexation, you allow new
  2678. 1:45:14 Unknown speaker market rate single family homes and town
  2679. 1:45:15 Unknown speaker homes to absorb middle and upper income
  2680. 1:45:18 Unknown speaker buyers who would otherwise outbid local
  2681. 1:45:20 Unknown speaker families for older homes in town. At the
  2682. 1:45:22 Unknown speaker same time, adding attached units and
  2683. 1:45:24 Unknown speaker compact housing types creates attainable
  2684. 1:45:26 Unknown speaker entry points for first-time home buyers,
  2685. 1:45:28 Unknown speaker young professionals, and downsizing
  2686. 1:45:29 Unknown speaker professionals
  2687. 1:45:31 Unknown speaker uh downsizing seniors. Restricting land
  2688. 1:45:34 Unknown speaker and supply doesn't stop people from
  2689. 1:45:35 Unknown speaker wanting to live in Longmont. It just
  2690. 1:45:36 Unknown speaker ensures that only the wealthy can afford
  2691. 1:45:38 Unknown speaker to stay. Approving this annexation is a
  2692. 1:45:40 Unknown speaker practical databachbacked step towards
  2693. 1:45:42 Unknown speaker maintaining a complete functional
  2694. 1:45:43 Unknown speaker housing market for the entire community.
  2695. 1:45:46 Unknown speaker Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um John Lumpkkey.
  2696. 1:45:54 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  2697. 1:45:56 Unknown speaker Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name
  2698. 1:45:58 Unknown speaker is John Lumpkkey. This is what I came
  2699. 1:46:00 Unknown speaker for. I didn't know exactly what I would
  2700. 1:46:01 Unknown speaker say. I'm glad I watched the um the
  2701. 1:46:05 Unknown speaker presentation. Uh my wife and I [snorts]
  2702. 1:46:07 Unknown speaker bike our daughters to work uh down
  2703. 1:46:09 Unknown speaker Airport Road and then across uh Clover
  2704. 1:46:12 Unknown speaker Basin to Primrose Preschool every day.
  2705. 1:46:15 Unknown speaker So, we're very familiar with that area.
  2706. 1:46:18 Unknown speaker Um I can tell you
  2707. 1:46:21 Unknown speaker I want to to come across as gracious and
  2708. 1:46:25 Unknown speaker generous, but I know all the people that
  2709. 1:46:27 Unknown speaker live in that area. I am 99.9% certain
  2710. 1:46:32 Unknown speaker I'm the only person that lives around
  2711. 1:46:34 Unknown speaker that area that's here who has children.
  2712. 1:46:36 Unknown speaker A lot of my neighbors have kids and are
  2713. 1:46:39 Unknown speaker renting and they would love to buy a
  2714. 1:46:41 Unknown speaker home. They're not here because they're
  2715. 1:46:43 Unknown speaker watching their kids.
  2716. 1:46:45 Unknown speaker I have a neighbor who is a um this is
  2717. 1:46:49 Unknown speaker deeply passionate for me, right? This is
  2718. 1:46:50 Unknown speaker why I ran for council. She's a nurse
  2719. 1:46:52 Unknown speaker practitioner and I asked her uh because
  2720. 1:46:55 Unknown speaker she realized one day that one of her
  2721. 1:46:56 Unknown speaker clients was effectively homeless. They
  2722. 1:46:59 Unknown speaker didn't have a bed to sleep in. They were
  2723. 1:47:00 Unknown speaker just couch surfed. And I asked her, "How
  2724. 1:47:02 Unknown speaker many you think of your patients you
  2725. 1:47:04 Unknown speaker have?" She's like, "I have a 100
  2726. 1:47:05 Unknown speaker patients, probably three of them." Those
  2727. 1:47:06 Unknown speaker are people who live in Longmont who
  2728. 1:47:07 Unknown speaker don't have a bed to sleep in every
  2729. 1:47:09 Unknown speaker night. The only way we fix that is if we
  2730. 1:47:11 Unknown speaker build more houses that are cheaper, so
  2731. 1:47:13 Unknown speaker people have a place to stay. I know that
  2732. 1:47:16 Unknown speaker nobody likes change. I read this book
  2733. 1:47:19 Unknown speaker called Collapse. Right at the same time,
  2734. 1:47:21 Unknown speaker I had an economics professor explain
  2735. 1:47:23 Unknown speaker this. It is universal. No one likes
  2736. 1:47:26 Unknown speaker change. Nowhere in the world. Nowhere in
  2737. 1:47:28 Unknown speaker the world. It doesn't matter what
  2738. 1:47:30 Unknown speaker religion you are, your age, wherever. We
  2739. 1:47:32 Unknown speaker all hate it. I get it. But I'm not going
  2740. 1:47:35 Unknown speaker to sit here and not say anything. and
  2741. 1:47:38 Unknown speaker knowing that there are kids who did not
  2742. 1:47:41 Unknown speaker have the same opportunities uh that I
  2743. 1:47:43 Unknown speaker had like I am
  2744. 1:47:46 Unknown speaker I want to sound gracious when I say
  2745. 1:47:47 Unknown speaker this. I am unbelievably privileged and I
  2746. 1:47:51 Unknown speaker realize that right. I'm a white man,
  2747. 1:47:54 Unknown speaker three degrees, have an excellent
  2748. 1:47:56 Unknown speaker engineering job. An enormous number of
  2749. 1:47:58 Unknown speaker people in the world. Like I
  2750. 1:48:02 Unknown speaker won the lottery in life, right? And I'm
  2751. 1:48:05 Unknown speaker not going to sit here and pull the
  2752. 1:48:07 Unknown speaker ladder up behind me. Like it'll be
  2753. 1:48:09 Unknown speaker wonderful if the world just stayed the
  2754. 1:48:10 Unknown speaker same and everything was great for me and
  2755. 1:48:12 Unknown speaker we just made sure that nobody else got
  2756. 1:48:14 Unknown speaker to come through the door. Um, so I'm
  2757. 1:48:16 Unknown speaker advocating in favor of this annexation
  2758. 1:48:19 Unknown speaker and I'd like for us to build as many
  2759. 1:48:20 Unknown speaker homes as possible. Uh, because my town
  2760. 1:48:24 Unknown speaker home community, which is just north of
  2761. 1:48:25 Unknown speaker that, is amazing. It's absolutely
  2762. 1:48:26 Unknown speaker incredible. My daughter can walk out our
  2763. 1:48:28 Unknown speaker door and go play with a bunch of other
  2764. 1:48:30 Unknown speaker little kids and she doesn't have to walk
  2765. 1:48:32 Unknown speaker across any driveways and we don't have
  2766. 1:48:34 Unknown speaker to worry about traffic.
  2767. 1:48:36 Unknown speaker Um, and to answer Mr. Popkins question,
  2768. 1:48:39 Unknown speaker I did learn out about there is another
  2769. 1:48:40 Unknown speaker type of house that is attached which is
  2770. 1:48:44 Unknown speaker the exact opposite of mine. and Elena's
  2771. 1:48:45 Unknown speaker townhouse which are narrow and deep. You
  2772. 1:48:48 Unknown speaker can also build a house that is wide and
  2773. 1:48:50 Unknown speaker shallow with a nice courtyard in the
  2774. 1:48:51 Unknown speaker back for children to play in. I would
  2775. 1:48:53 Unknown speaker love if that was legalized there.
  2776. 1:48:54 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you.
  2777. 1:48:55 Unknown speaker Thank you. Uh Linda Bitner.
  2778. 1:49:06 Unknown speaker Hi. Well, good evening. Uh I'm Linda
  2779. 1:49:08 Unknown speaker Bitner. I live in the Schlaggel
  2780. 1:49:10 Unknown speaker subdivision, which is the unincorporated
  2781. 1:49:13 Unknown speaker uh neighborhood just to the north and
  2782. 1:49:14 Unknown speaker east. I've been here before and most of
  2783. 1:49:17 Unknown speaker the time I've been saying what I don't
  2784. 1:49:18 Unknown speaker like and I'm really happy to say I
  2785. 1:49:21 Unknown speaker really like what I see with this
  2786. 1:49:22 Unknown speaker proposal, at least most of it. Uh, one
  2787. 1:49:25 Unknown speaker thing I would like clarification on when
  2788. 1:49:27 Unknown speaker you get back to it is in the in the
  2789. 1:49:30 Unknown speaker document called cover letter was
  2790. 1:49:32 Unknown speaker prepared by LJA in uh 81325.
  2791. 1:49:36 Unknown speaker It said the 12 12% inclusionary housing
  2792. 1:49:39 Unknown speaker requirement will be provided on site.
  2793. 1:49:42 Unknown speaker And if that's really what happens, I
  2794. 1:49:44 Unknown speaker think that's the first great thing about
  2795. 1:49:46 Unknown speaker this is having that onsite. There's
  2796. 1:49:48 Unknown speaker somebody in our neighborhood who's
  2797. 1:49:49 Unknown speaker getting a Habitat home. And wouldn't it
  2798. 1:49:51 Unknown speaker be nice if that could have been right
  2799. 1:49:53 Unknown speaker here instead of across town? I think the
  2800. 1:49:56 Unknown speaker individual ownership of the units rather
  2801. 1:49:58 Unknown speaker than corporate ownership, you know, with
  2802. 1:50:00 Unknown speaker rents going out of state, that's
  2803. 1:50:02 Unknown speaker awesome. I love the proposed mix of
  2804. 1:50:05 Unknown speaker housing types and the physical
  2805. 1:50:07 Unknown speaker infrastructure to help deter people
  2806. 1:50:09 Unknown speaker cutting through uh Boxelder Drive
  2807. 1:50:11 Unknown speaker through the Westbrook Village
  2808. 1:50:12 Unknown speaker neighborhood. That's also really great.
  2809. 1:50:14 Unknown speaker The bike share would be great if it
  2810. 1:50:16 Unknown speaker works out. The silo I'm pretty lukewarm
  2811. 1:50:19 Unknown speaker on just because it looks like an
  2812. 1:50:20 Unknown speaker attractive nuisance to me and I'd hate
  2813. 1:50:23 Unknown speaker I'd hate to lose another four or five
  2814. 1:50:25 Unknown speaker units. Uh, one of the things I want to
  2815. 1:50:27 Unknown speaker note that when this first was proposed
  2816. 1:50:29 Unknown speaker back in July of 24, uh, there was talk
  2817. 1:50:34 Unknown speaker of making this 12 units per acre with
  2818. 1:50:36 Unknown speaker about a 100 units and I know that's gone
  2819. 1:50:39 Unknown speaker up. I'm wondering if that is partly to
  2820. 1:50:41 Unknown speaker accommodate the inclusionary housing. I
  2821. 1:50:43 Unknown speaker know there are developments coming up.
  2822. 1:50:45 Unknown speaker The 8513 Sat and Brain annexation will
  2823. 1:50:49 Unknown speaker be 8 to 8 to 11 units per acre. So, I'm
  2824. 1:50:52 Unknown speaker just curious about how that happened.
  2825. 1:50:54 Unknown speaker But one of my concerns with the density
  2826. 1:50:57 Unknown speaker is in I would really like to see some
  2827. 1:51:00 Unknown speaker small homes. I mean like really small,
  2828. 1:51:02 Unknown speaker you know, 700 800 square foot
  2829. 1:51:05 Unknown speaker two-bedroom, one bath, small lot where
  2830. 1:51:08 Unknown speaker people can have a garden, some outdoor
  2831. 1:51:10 Unknown speaker space, kids can play in the yard, dog
  2832. 1:51:12 Unknown speaker can run. And I think there's I think
  2833. 1:51:15 Unknown speaker there's a market for those kind of
  2834. 1:51:16 Unknown speaker homes. And one other concern is the
  2835. 1:51:20 Unknown speaker potential access to the east. If the
  2836. 1:51:23 Unknown speaker Quail Road uh development ever comes
  2837. 1:51:26 Unknown speaker back, it will need access through Dry
  2838. 1:51:29 Unknown speaker Creek in order to get out. So to make to
  2839. 1:51:33 Unknown speaker give it its second access. And then the
  2840. 1:51:36 Unknown speaker other thing I want to say is thank you
  2841. 1:51:37 Unknown speaker very much for taking a really thoughtful
  2842. 1:51:40 Unknown speaker approach to the annexations that have
  2843. 1:51:42 Unknown speaker been coming recently. I mean, in
  2844. 1:51:44 Unknown speaker previous times it seemed to be, let's
  2845. 1:51:46 Unknown speaker just build anything. And now we
  2846. 1:51:49 Unknown speaker understand the types of housing that we
  2847. 1:51:51 Unknown speaker really need and you could take the time
  2848. 1:51:54 Unknown speaker knowing that there isn't much more land
  2849. 1:51:56 Unknown speaker available to bring into the city. Let's
  2850. 1:51:59 Unknown speaker do it right. And so, thank you for
  2851. 1:52:00 Unknown speaker paying attention to that and putting
  2852. 1:52:02 Unknown speaker those conditions on.
  2853. 1:52:04 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you, U. Marshia Martin.
  2854. 1:52:22 Unknown speaker Marsha Martin, um, Quail Ridge
  2855. 1:52:24 Unknown speaker Neighborhood. Thank you again, council,
  2856. 1:52:26 Unknown speaker for your consideration of this and I
  2857. 1:52:30 Unknown speaker hope that you will um resolve the small
  2858. 1:52:34 Unknown speaker issues in a way that that's does not
  2859. 1:52:38 Unknown speaker prevent this annexation
  2860. 1:52:40 Unknown speaker and because I just want to urge you to
  2861. 1:52:43 Unknown speaker consider that every square foot of
  2862. 1:52:47 Unknown speaker developable land in the Longmont
  2863. 1:52:50 Unknown speaker planning area is precious to the people
  2864. 1:52:53 Unknown speaker of Longmont.
  2865. 1:52:55 Unknown speaker is necessary for
  2866. 1:52:59 Unknown speaker the work that has to be done to turn
  2867. 1:53:01 Unknown speaker Longmont into a more livable, more
  2868. 1:53:04 Unknown speaker compassionate community.
  2869. 1:53:07 Unknown speaker And I'm not going to say any more than
  2870. 1:53:09 Unknown speaker that because I think there's a lot of
  2871. 1:53:11 Unknown speaker people behind me that have something
  2872. 1:53:13 Unknown speaker important to say to. So, thank you all
  2873. 1:53:16 Unknown speaker very much.
  2874. 1:53:17 Unknown speaker Thank you. Uh, Susan Barber.
  2875. 1:53:33 Unknown speaker Can you hear me? Okay,
  2876. 1:53:35 Unknown speaker I sure can.
  2877. 1:53:36 Unknown speaker No one No one has mentioned uh Clover
  2878. 1:53:39 Unknown speaker Basin Drive.
  2879. 1:53:41 Unknown speaker It is two lanes and it is congested
  2880. 1:53:46 Unknown speaker morning and afternoon with the school
  2881. 1:53:48 Unknown speaker traffic and other traffic. And I think
  2882. 1:53:52 Unknown speaker Clover Basin needs to be widened.
  2883. 1:53:56 Unknown speaker And my neighbors and I would like to
  2884. 1:53:59 Unknown speaker suggest at least one lane each way
  2885. 1:54:02 Unknown speaker because if you folks drive there
  2886. 1:54:04 Unknown speaker anytime, you're going to see a lot of
  2887. 1:54:06 Unknown speaker traffic. And um I would suggest to the
  2888. 1:54:10 Unknown speaker developers to
  2889. 1:54:13 Unknown speaker add at least one lane and hopefully two
  2890. 1:54:17 Unknown speaker so that Clover Basin can handle the
  2891. 1:54:19 Unknown speaker traffic. Um Matthew mentioned uh 864
  2892. 1:54:25 Unknown speaker vehicle trips a day will be added to
  2893. 1:54:30 Unknown speaker because of this project and that is
  2894. 1:54:32 Unknown speaker really going to push a lot of pressure
  2895. 1:54:35 Unknown speaker on Clover Basin. So, I would urge the
  2896. 1:54:38 Unknown speaker council before they um annex the
  2897. 1:54:41 Unknown speaker property and accept the plan to include
  2898. 1:54:44 Unknown speaker a plan and request that the developers
  2899. 1:54:48 Unknown speaker require that they um widen Clover Basin
  2900. 1:54:52 Unknown speaker Drive. Thank you.
  2901. 1:54:54 Unknown speaker Great.
  2902. 1:54:55 Unknown speaker Thank you, G. Lindberg.
  2903. 1:55:10 Unknown speaker Hi, G. Lindberg, 11:21 Alderway. And I'd
  2904. 1:55:13 Unknown speaker like to um I like that you guys went
  2905. 1:55:16 Unknown speaker ahead and did the presentation on the
  2906. 1:55:18 Unknown speaker annexation beforehand. So that helps us
  2907. 1:55:20 Unknown speaker with what we're going to say. Um and uh
  2908. 1:55:23 Unknown speaker as far as the north access, I think what
  2909. 1:55:25 Unknown speaker Matthew Popkin was suggesting is very
  2910. 1:55:27 Unknown speaker good. I think we need to stay away from
  2911. 1:55:29 Unknown speaker any idea of having a T intersection
  2912. 1:55:32 Unknown speaker because that would not work at all. Um,
  2913. 1:55:35 Unknown speaker but I think that was probably the
  2914. 1:55:36 Unknown speaker biggest thing that everybody was
  2915. 1:55:37 Unknown speaker concerned about. Plus the fact that you
  2916. 1:55:40 Unknown speaker still have that other 17.34 acres to the
  2917. 1:55:42 Unknown speaker east that someday is going to get
  2918. 1:55:44 Unknown speaker developed, which ties in with that road
  2919. 1:55:47 Unknown speaker desert curve. So, it kind of there's a
  2920. 1:55:49 Unknown speaker lot of writing on the wall there with
  2921. 1:55:50 Unknown speaker it. Um I'd be curious with the um
  2922. 1:55:55 Unknown speaker difference between the PA and PA2
  2923. 1:55:57 Unknown speaker housing. I know this isn't a question um
  2924. 1:56:01 Unknown speaker atmosphere here, but that's something
  2925. 1:56:03 Unknown speaker that may come up in the future things.
  2926. 1:56:05 Unknown speaker Uh the inclusure inclusionary housing
  2927. 1:56:08 Unknown speaker where they're planning on putting that
  2928. 1:56:10 Unknown speaker [snorts] and um I guess they were
  2929. 1:56:13 Unknown speaker talking about 12% affordable, but again
  2930. 1:56:15 Unknown speaker that will come up with all that. As far
  2931. 1:56:17 Unknown speaker as the ebikes, um I'm not really in
  2932. 1:56:20 Unknown speaker favor of that. I' I've seen so many
  2933. 1:56:23 Unknown speaker places where you have all these bikes
  2934. 1:56:24 Unknown speaker just sitting in different locations and
  2935. 1:56:26 Unknown speaker so forth. And that would be my concern
  2936. 1:56:28 Unknown speaker is am I going to have an ebike sitting
  2937. 1:56:30 Unknown speaker on my front in front of my house or
  2938. 1:56:32 Unknown speaker something. If I do, I'm going to go kick
  2939. 1:56:33 Unknown speaker it away. But um anyhow, that's just my
  2940. 1:56:37 Unknown speaker feeling on it. Um plus we have so many
  2941. 1:56:39 Unknown speaker ebikes going around Longmont right now,
  2942. 1:56:41 Unknown speaker they seem to be affordable. [laughter]
  2943. 1:56:44 Unknown speaker So enough that we have the problems
  2944. 1:56:46 Unknown speaker where we have to tell them what they can
  2945. 1:56:47 Unknown speaker and can't do. Um,
  2946. 1:56:50 Unknown speaker and so I have a minute 20 seconds there.
  2947. 1:56:52 Unknown speaker Um, I've got some handouts that I'll get
  2948. 1:56:54 Unknown speaker I think I printed out seven of them on
  2949. 1:56:56 Unknown speaker the cellular stuff. Um, I talked with
  2950. 1:56:59 Unknown speaker somebody at Verizon. I did sell sites
  2951. 1:57:01 Unknown speaker for 19 years with the was the vice
  2952. 1:57:03 Unknown speaker president with the company doing them
  2953. 1:57:05 Unknown speaker and so forth and uh, kind of my gut
  2954. 1:57:08 Unknown speaker feeling what's going on at Verizon. They
  2955. 1:57:10 Unknown speaker were saying some of the problems
  2956. 1:57:12 Unknown speaker happened when they uptilted the
  2957. 1:57:14 Unknown speaker antennas.
  2958. 1:57:15 Unknown speaker Well, if they have a problem.
  2959. 1:57:17 Unknown speaker Are you So, you're no longer talking
  2960. 1:57:18 Unknown speaker about our
  2961. 1:57:19 Unknown speaker Oh, I'm sorry.
  2962. 1:57:20 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, actually final
  2963. 1:57:22 Unknown speaker call.
  2964. 1:57:22 Unknown speaker Yeah, I'll come back for the final call.
  2965. 1:57:24 Unknown speaker I think I put that in there. Thank you.
  2966. 1:57:25 Unknown speaker Uhhuh. Of course.
  2967. 1:57:27 Unknown speaker Uhhuh. Um Mary Jane and Oh, yeah. Of
  2968. 1:57:30 Unknown speaker course.
  2969. 1:57:31 Unknown speaker And then if you could repeat your last
  2970. 1:57:32 Unknown speaker name when you come down. I'm I'm not
  2971. 1:57:35 Unknown speaker even going to try to ruin it.
  2972. 1:57:40 Unknown speaker Real.
  2973. 1:57:43 Unknown speaker Hi.
  2974. 1:57:44 Unknown speaker First of all, I would like to thank the
  2975. 1:57:45 Unknown speaker city council for all that you do for the
  2976. 1:57:47 Unknown speaker city and your care in that. [snorts] My
  2977. 1:57:50 Unknown speaker name is Mary Jane. Vote vote. Okay.
  2978. 1:57:52 Unknown speaker Okay. Um I live in Westbrook Village
  2979. 1:57:56 Unknown speaker just right north of this proposed
  2980. 1:57:58 Unknown speaker development. And in fact, I live on
  2981. 1:58:00 Unknown speaker Boxelder Drive, which is the street
  2982. 1:58:04 Unknown speaker where the direct arrow from the
  2983. 1:58:07 Unknown speaker developer um
  2984. 1:58:10 Unknown speaker plat is showing at egress from the
  2985. 1:58:13 Unknown speaker development right north onto Boxelder
  2986. 1:58:16 Unknown speaker Drive in a direct line.
  2987. 1:58:18 Unknown speaker [cough and clears throat]
  2988. 1:58:19 Unknown speaker There are many residents from Boxelder
  2989. 1:58:20 Unknown speaker Drive and from Westbrook Village here
  2990. 1:58:23 Unknown speaker tonight. I will speak for myself, but I
  2991. 1:58:26 Unknown speaker think for them also in saying that our
  2992. 1:58:28 Unknown speaker main concern with this development is
  2993. 1:58:33 Unknown speaker the safety of our residents.
  2994. 1:58:35 Unknown speaker [clears throat] We do not have complete
  2995. 1:58:36 Unknown speaker sidewalks.
  2996. 1:58:38 Unknown speaker We are mostly elderly.
  2997. 1:58:41 Unknown speaker We walk our dogs in the street because
  2998. 1:58:43 Unknown speaker there's not a sidewalk. We walk our cat
  2999. 1:58:45 Unknown speaker even some of us in the street because um
  3000. 1:58:49 Unknown speaker we don't have a sidewalk. We go to get
  3001. 1:58:51 Unknown speaker pick up the mail and we have to stand in
  3002. 1:58:53 Unknown speaker the street when we do that. When we
  3003. 1:58:55 Unknown speaker cross the street to visit a friend, we
  3004. 1:58:58 Unknown speaker are not light on our feet.
  3005. 1:59:01 Unknown speaker And so some of us don't hear as well as
  3006. 1:59:04 Unknown speaker we used to. This all makes it sound very
  3007. 1:59:06 Unknown speaker dangerous to me and to many of us to
  3008. 1:59:09 Unknown speaker have egress from this development onto
  3009. 1:59:13 Unknown speaker um northbound Boxelder Drive. We would
  3010. 1:59:17 Unknown speaker love for consideration to be given to an
  3011. 1:59:20 Unknown speaker emergency access only. I know that's
  3012. 1:59:23 Unknown speaker possible.
  3013. 1:59:24 Unknown speaker Um probably not what anybody else wants,
  3014. 1:59:28 Unknown speaker but it would make it much safer for us.
  3015. 1:59:31 Unknown speaker And remember that the potential for 300
  3016. 1:59:33 Unknown speaker more town homes is coming down the pike.
  3017. 1:59:37 Unknown speaker And once there's access, you know, we
  3018. 1:59:40 Unknown speaker may have an unbelievable amount of
  3019. 1:59:43 Unknown speaker traffic happening. Um, [clears throat]
  3020. 1:59:47 Unknown speaker that's really all I have to say is
  3021. 1:59:49 Unknown speaker please consider the safety of the
  3022. 1:59:51 Unknown speaker residents that already live there and
  3023. 1:59:54 Unknown speaker and
  3024. 1:59:55 Unknown speaker don't have a way to be safe because we
  3025. 1:59:58 Unknown speaker don't have sidewalks and um so thank you
  3026. 2:00:02 Unknown speaker for your consideration and help keep us
  3027. 2:00:05 Unknown speaker safe. Thank you.
  3028. 2:00:06 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um Tracy Ivanas
  3029. 2:00:22 Unknown speaker Okay, Tracy Bes. And
  3030. 2:00:25 Unknown speaker um like some of one else said, usually
  3031. 2:00:28 Unknown speaker I'm here saying I'm not so in favor, but
  3032. 2:00:30 Unknown speaker I think this is a good project. But I am
  3033. 2:00:33 Unknown speaker here as someone from Clover Creek
  3034. 2:00:36 Unknown speaker because we're kind of a younger
  3035. 2:00:39 Unknown speaker neighborhood and a lot of those families
  3036. 2:00:41 Unknown speaker are working and have younger kids and so
  3037. 2:00:43 Unknown speaker they just can't show up to these. So I'm
  3038. 2:00:45 Unknown speaker kind of hoping to represent them a
  3039. 2:00:47 Unknown speaker little bit. Um we have two exits out of
  3040. 2:00:51 Unknown speaker our neighborhood. It's a big
  3041. 2:00:52 Unknown speaker neighborhood and one of them is onto
  3042. 2:00:53 Unknown speaker Clever Basin. And um now that they're
  3043. 2:00:57 Unknown speaker diverting the traffic from 119 onto
  3044. 2:00:59 Unknown speaker Clever Basin, we're kind of getting the
  3045. 2:01:01 Unknown speaker feel of what more traffic is going to
  3046. 2:01:03 Unknown speaker look like. And as someone mentioned, it
  3047. 2:01:05 Unknown speaker is two lanes and on in the morning and
  3048. 2:01:10 Unknown speaker the afternoon, it's really hard to make
  3049. 2:01:12 Unknown speaker a left turn out of our community and
  3050. 2:01:15 Unknown speaker there's a lot of speeding going on as
  3051. 2:01:17 Unknown speaker well. So, as I told some my friends,
  3052. 2:01:19 Unknown speaker sometimes you just kind of close your
  3053. 2:01:20 Unknown speaker eyes and do what you got to do, make
  3054. 2:01:22 Unknown speaker that left turn, you know, and hope that
  3055. 2:01:24 Unknown speaker you don't get hit. But, um, so I'm just
  3056. 2:01:27 Unknown speaker hoping, as someone said, I know this is
  3057. 2:01:30 Unknown speaker maybe small scale. Um, but as someone
  3058. 2:01:33 Unknown speaker pointed out, 800 and some extra trips
  3059. 2:01:37 Unknown speaker and you have kids, I mean, someone
  3060. 2:01:39 Unknown speaker already kids get hit at airport on
  3061. 2:01:42 Unknown speaker Clever Basin. You're adding to the
  3062. 2:01:43 Unknown speaker traffic. I just hope that we're being
  3063. 2:01:45 Unknown speaker really thoughtful. Um, I feel like
  3064. 2:01:48 Unknown speaker sometimes, like I said, we're not
  3065. 2:01:49 Unknown speaker advocating as much for Clover Creek's
  3066. 2:01:51 Unknown speaker neighborhood. And I just want to be that
  3067. 2:01:53 Unknown speaker person who says, "Please be thoughtful
  3068. 2:01:55 Unknown speaker for us because we may need a light or I
  3069. 2:01:58 Unknown speaker heard there was something about a
  3070. 2:01:59 Unknown speaker traffic circle or there needs to be
  3071. 2:02:01 Unknown speaker something that's going to help assist us
  3072. 2:02:02 Unknown speaker because we shouldn't get screwed just
  3073. 2:02:05 Unknown speaker because these projects are going
  3074. 2:02:07 Unknown speaker forward."
  3075. 2:02:08 Unknown speaker And we do have little kids in the room.
  3076. 2:02:09 Unknown speaker So,
  3077. 2:02:10 Unknown speaker well, I said no, the word.
  3078. 2:02:11 Unknown speaker Oh, sorry.
  3079. 2:02:12 Unknown speaker I'm just Okay. Oh, okay. Um, and thank
  3080. 2:02:16 Unknown speaker you all and I appreciate that they're
  3081. 2:02:17 Unknown speaker all for sale as well. And I hope I
  3082. 2:02:20 Unknown speaker didn't offend any little kids.
  3083. 2:02:21 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  3084. 2:02:23 Unknown speaker I know I'm a school teacher and I'm
  3085. 2:02:25 Unknown speaker like,
  3086. 2:02:27 Unknown speaker sorry. [laughter]
  3087. 2:02:29 Unknown speaker Um,
  3088. 2:02:32 Unknown speaker yeah,
  3089. 2:02:34 Unknown speaker spur the- moment response there. Um,
  3090. 2:02:36 Unknown speaker okay. So, we are now, so I don't see
  3091. 2:02:40 Unknown speaker anyone else on the list. Is there anyone
  3092. 2:02:42 Unknown speaker else in the public who wishes to speak
  3093. 2:02:43 Unknown speaker on this item
  3094. 2:02:47 Unknown speaker and please state your name?
  3095. 2:02:52 Unknown speaker Tell you where I live though, right?
  3096. 2:02:53 Unknown speaker No, just your name is fine.
  3097. 2:02:55 Unknown speaker Diane McDaniel. I live in the Slaggel
  3098. 2:02:57 Unknown speaker neighborhood. I want to thank you guys
  3099. 2:03:00 Unknown speaker for talking about caring about the
  3100. 2:03:01 Unknown speaker agriculture.
  3101. 2:03:03 Unknown speaker If you guys could have seen it years
  3102. 2:03:05 Unknown speaker ago, which I know at least one person
  3103. 2:03:06 Unknown speaker did, what it was like when it was all
  3104. 2:03:09 Unknown speaker farmland. So that's really important to
  3105. 2:03:10 Unknown speaker us still. And my major concern is more
  3106. 2:03:14 Unknown speaker foot traffic in our neighborhood,
  3107. 2:03:17 Unknown speaker walking down the middle of the street.
  3108. 2:03:19 Unknown speaker The ebikes,
  3109. 2:03:21 Unknown speaker two of them almost got hit today cuz
  3110. 2:03:24 Unknown speaker they're riding wheelies down our road.
  3111. 2:03:26 Unknown speaker We don't have sidewalks. We're very
  3112. 2:03:27 Unknown speaker narrow. And you had that much more foot
  3113. 2:03:30 Unknown speaker traffic and you know it's going to come
  3114. 2:03:31 Unknown speaker into our hood.
  3115. 2:03:33 Unknown speaker Very concerning. So, and I'm not talking
  3116. 2:03:36 Unknown speaker about just the bike path. I'm talking up
  3117. 2:03:38 Unknown speaker and down 89th up and down schlago
  3118. 2:03:40 Unknown speaker especially 89th doing wheelies and so
  3119. 2:03:44 Unknown speaker it's very concerning to have any more
  3120. 2:03:45 Unknown speaker development around
  3121. 2:03:48 Unknown speaker and let's keep our agriculture.
  3122. 2:03:50 Unknown speaker Yes. [laughter]
  3123. 2:03:51 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3124. 2:03:51 Unknown speaker Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.
  3125. 2:03:53 Unknown speaker Okay. Um seeing no one else coming down,
  3126. 2:03:56 Unknown speaker I will now close the public hearing. May
  3127. 2:03:58 Unknown speaker I have a motion to u pass and adopt the
  3128. 2:04:00 Unknown speaker resolution which just approves
  3129. 2:04:03 Unknown speaker eligibility for annexation uh resolution
  3130. 2:04:06 Unknown speaker 2026-70.
  3131. 2:04:08 Unknown speaker Um council member um Marcine.
  3132. 2:04:11 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor. I move passage of
  3133. 2:04:13 Unknown speaker resolution 202670.
  3134. 2:04:16 Unknown speaker Okay. So the motion has been made by
  3135. 2:04:18 Unknown speaker council member Marcine to pass
  3136. 2:04:20 Unknown speaker resolution 2026-70.
  3137. 2:04:22 Unknown speaker Let me switch my screen. um a resolution
  3138. 2:04:26 Unknown speaker finding a parcel of land known as the
  3139. 2:04:28 Unknown speaker Dry Creek Annexation generally located
  3140. 2:04:30 Unknown speaker along Airport Road between Quail Road
  3141. 2:04:32 Unknown speaker and Clover Basin Drive eligible for
  3142. 2:04:34 Unknown speaker annexation and it was seconded by
  3143. 2:04:36 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin. See you no one in
  3144. 2:04:38 Unknown speaker the queue. Let's go ahead and vote on
  3145. 2:04:40 Unknown speaker this one.
  3146. 2:04:48 Unknown speaker Okay. And that item carries unanimously.
  3147. 2:04:50 Unknown speaker We are now on to
  3148. 2:04:52 Unknown speaker um ordinance 2026-62,
  3149. 2:04:55 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance conditionally
  3150. 2:04:57 Unknown speaker approving the Dry Creek annexation and
  3151. 2:04:59 Unknown speaker concept plan generally located along
  3152. 2:05:01 Unknown speaker Clover Basin Drive at and Airport Road
  3153. 2:05:04 Unknown speaker and zoning the property mix uh
  3154. 2:05:06 Unknown speaker residential mixed neighborhood RMN. Um
  3155. 2:05:09 Unknown speaker and it has been amended at first reading
  3156. 2:05:12 Unknown speaker and I believe we need some clarification
  3157. 2:05:14 Unknown speaker language. Council member Marcen.
  3158. 2:05:18 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I'll make this fairly
  3159. 2:05:20 Unknown speaker quick and speak to the the silo issue.
  3160. 2:05:22 Unknown speaker Again, fully comfortable with uh the
  3161. 2:05:25 Unknown speaker applicants conditions there. My my goal
  3162. 2:05:27 Unknown speaker was to have it presented to the Historic
  3163. 2:05:28 Unknown speaker Preservation Commission. I did flag for
  3164. 2:05:30 Unknown speaker them that this was likely coming. Um
  3165. 2:05:32 Unknown speaker they have some some some thoughts. I I
  3166. 2:05:34 Unknown speaker don't expect it to be a serious holdup
  3167. 2:05:36 Unknown speaker to the project, but I think it's
  3168. 2:05:37 Unknown speaker important that they engage around it. Uh
  3169. 2:05:39 Unknown speaker I move uh to amend section 0 uh sorry uh
  3170. 2:05:43 Unknown speaker section 2.5 I should say of ordinance
  3171. 2:05:46 Unknown speaker 202662
  3172. 2:05:49 Unknown speaker uh to add the term if considered
  3173. 2:05:51 Unknown speaker historically significant and other
  3174. 2:05:52 Unknown speaker language amendments as requested by the
  3175. 2:05:54 Unknown speaker applicant
  3176. 2:05:56 Unknown speaker and I did check with the city attorney
  3177. 2:05:57 Unknown speaker on the second half because I missed the
  3178. 2:05:59 Unknown speaker the formal the second piece of that. So
  3179. 2:06:01 Unknown speaker I'm comfortable with your language.
  3180. 2:06:03 Unknown speaker So and it was for 2 section 2.5. Yeah,
  3181. 2:06:06 Unknown speaker that's the condition. That's that that
  3182. 2:06:08 Unknown speaker that silo condition.
  3183. 2:06:10 Unknown speaker So I I Okay, so um do we have a second?
  3184. 2:06:15 Unknown speaker Second. [clears throat]
  3185. 2:06:16 Unknown speaker So the motion was to um to amend section
  3186. 2:06:19 Unknown speaker 2.5
  3187. 2:06:21 Unknown speaker to um follow the applicant's um
  3188. 2:06:24 Unknown speaker recommendations and and if considered
  3189. 2:06:27 Unknown speaker historically significant. Is that
  3190. 2:06:29 Unknown speaker okay?
  3191. 2:06:34 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3192. 2:06:36 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, in regards to um, yeah, the
  3193. 2:06:40 Unknown speaker applicant's recommendations regarding
  3194. 2:06:41 Unknown speaker the silo. Um, do we have a second for
  3195. 2:06:43 Unknown speaker that?
  3196. 2:06:45 Unknown speaker Okay. And council, so the motion was
  3197. 2:06:46 Unknown speaker made by council member Marcine and
  3198. 2:06:48 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Chris. Did
  3199. 2:06:50 Unknown speaker you need me to read that again? Um, Don
  3200. 2:06:55 Unknown speaker or
  3201. 2:06:56 Unknown speaker is what's on the screen?
  3202. 2:06:57 Unknown speaker Um, a bill for an ordinance
  3203. 2:06:58 Unknown speaker conditionally approving. Oh, nope. I
  3204. 2:07:01 Unknown speaker lost it.
  3205. 2:07:03 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3206. 2:07:04 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3207. 2:07:06 Unknown speaker Yes. Go ahead,
  3208. 2:07:07 Unknown speaker Mayor Eug city attorney. So,
  3209. 2:07:12 Unknown speaker the slides were going by. I saw the
  3210. 2:07:14 Unknown speaker language if determined. I don't know
  3211. 2:07:17 Unknown speaker what it means and other modifications in
  3212. 2:07:20 Unknown speaker the applicant slide. This is second
  3213. 2:07:21 Unknown speaker reading. This is serious business. I
  3214. 2:07:24 Unknown speaker need clear direction.
  3215. 2:07:26 Unknown speaker So, can you pop put the slide
  3216. 2:07:29 Unknown speaker could you put the language back up?
  3217. 2:07:30 Unknown speaker Did you get a copy of this, Eugene? Oh,
  3218. 2:07:34 Unknown speaker yeah. That Well, duh.
  3219. 2:07:38 Unknown speaker There was a ton of extras.
  3220. 2:07:41 Unknown speaker Yes.
  3221. 2:07:42 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3222. 2:07:44 Unknown speaker Oh, there you go.
  3223. 2:07:50 Unknown speaker I put it on my pile
  3224. 2:07:57 Unknown speaker and it's under amendment four. Yeah,
  3225. 2:08:01 Unknown speaker the the second the bottom half.
  3226. 2:08:10 Unknown speaker Okay, I can see that. If deemed
  3227. 2:08:12 Unknown speaker historically significant and also should
  3228. 2:08:14 Unknown speaker be explored at the end of the sentence.
  3229. 2:08:16 Unknown speaker Is that what we're doing?
  3230. 2:08:19 Unknown speaker Uh yes. Uh council member Marcen, you
  3231. 2:08:24 Unknown speaker may have
  3232. 2:08:24 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I'll clean that up if
  3233. 2:08:26 Unknown speaker that's helpful for the city attorney. Uh
  3234. 2:08:28 Unknown speaker yeah, I move to amend or uh oh my gosh.
  3235. 2:08:30 Unknown speaker Uh ordinance 2020 uh I I bumbled it
  3236. 2:08:33 Unknown speaker again, but it's ordinance 2026 section
  3237. 2:08:36 Unknown speaker 2.5, which is the actual ordinance
  3238. 2:08:38 Unknown speaker citation to add the term if historically
  3239. 2:08:40 Unknown speaker significant and should be explored as
  3240. 2:08:42 Unknown speaker requested by the applicant. And I am
  3241. 2:08:44 Unknown speaker doing this on the fly, but yes, the the
  3242. 2:08:46 Unknown speaker intent is to to to match the amendment
  3243. 2:08:48 Unknown speaker for language of the applicant.
  3244. 2:08:54 Unknown speaker [cough]
  3245. 2:08:56 Unknown speaker Um, did you put your put your mic back
  3246. 2:08:58 Unknown speaker on, please?
  3247. 2:09:00 Unknown speaker And should be explored as requested by
  3248. 2:09:03 Unknown speaker the applicant. I move to amend section
  3249. 2:09:05 Unknown speaker 2.5 of the ordinance to add the term if
  3250. 2:09:07 Unknown speaker historic if considered historically
  3251. 2:09:08 Unknown speaker significant and should be explored as
  3252. 2:09:11 Unknown speaker requested by the applicant.
  3253. 2:09:13 Unknown speaker Preservation.
  3254. 2:09:15 Unknown speaker It's Yeah, this this is what's amended.
  3255. 2:09:18 Unknown speaker So, it's already in the language.
  3256. 2:09:20 Unknown speaker Uh-huh. Okay. And so the Yep. The motion
  3257. 2:09:24 Unknown speaker was made by council member Marcen and
  3258. 2:09:26 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Christ. Um
  3259. 2:09:29 Unknown speaker Eugene,
  3260. 2:09:31 Unknown speaker do you
  3261. 2:09:33 Unknown speaker feel confident that we have followed the
  3262. 2:09:35 Unknown speaker correct path? [laughter]
  3263. 2:09:38 Unknown speaker Yeah, we will after this.
  3264. 2:09:53 Unknown speaker I'm good.
  3265. 2:09:54 Unknown speaker Okay. Very good. See no one in the
  3266. 2:09:56 Unknown speaker queue. Let's go ahead and vote.
  3267. 2:10:01 Unknown speaker Okay. And that item carries unanimously.
  3268. 2:10:04 Unknown speaker Um we now had another amendment that
  3269. 2:10:07 Unknown speaker needed to be made. Um go ahead, Council
  3270. 2:10:11 Unknown speaker Member Popkin.
  3271. 2:10:11 Unknown speaker Uh thank you, Mayor. Before I make that
  3272. 2:10:13 Unknown speaker amendment, I'll just cue the city
  3273. 2:10:14 Unknown speaker attorney to look at the the same
  3274. 2:10:16 Unknown speaker language on the same sheet. I I intend
  3275. 2:10:19 Unknown speaker to propose that as written from the
  3276. 2:10:21 Unknown speaker applicant with a couple other
  3277. 2:10:22 Unknown speaker modifications that I'll read in a
  3278. 2:10:23 Unknown speaker moment. But before I do that, um there
  3279. 2:10:25 Unknown speaker were a couple just quick clarifications
  3280. 2:10:26 Unknown speaker that I wanted to briefly double check
  3281. 2:10:28 Unknown speaker with staff on. Um first, uh I I recogn I
  3282. 2:10:32 Unknown speaker appreciate the concerns from some of the
  3283. 2:10:34 Unknown speaker public comments on um kind of the ebikes
  3284. 2:10:36 Unknown speaker in general. This would be a any any
  3285. 2:10:39 Unknown speaker system compatible with our current
  3286. 2:10:40 Unknown speaker system is a docked bike share. These are
  3287. 2:10:43 Unknown speaker not uh bikes that are just lying around
  3288. 2:10:45 Unknown speaker on the streets. That is part of the
  3289. 2:10:46 Unknown speaker whole reason why I support our current
  3290. 2:10:48 Unknown speaker program overall. Um and then these are
  3291. 2:10:50 Unknown speaker ebikes, not emotion
  3292. 2:10:55 Unknown speaker in terms of the the overall uh
  3293. 2:10:56 Unknown speaker pedestrian and multimodal safety. Just
  3294. 2:10:58 Unknown speaker wanted to clarify those. Um
  3295. 2:11:01 Unknown speaker one other thing while the city attorney
  3296. 2:11:02 Unknown speaker is double-checking the language there um
  3297. 2:11:04 Unknown speaker before I lock us into that discussion.
  3298. 2:11:06 Unknown speaker Um, Nathan, can you just clarify? Did we
  3299. 2:11:08 Unknown speaker look at an emergency access only going
  3300. 2:11:10 Unknown speaker north coming out of the development on
  3301. 2:11:12 Unknown speaker this?
  3302. 2:11:13 Unknown speaker I believe that was uh considered and
  3303. 2:11:15 Unknown speaker it's a fire department requirement that
  3304. 2:11:17 Unknown speaker there are two forms of access. Um, full
  3305. 2:11:19 Unknown speaker forms of access. Emergency access only
  3306. 2:11:22 Unknown speaker uh would not be permitted
  3307. 2:11:24 Unknown speaker because we'd have one on Clover Basin,
  3308. 2:11:26 Unknown speaker we'd need one on airport otherwise and
  3309. 2:11:27 Unknown speaker we can't go through the utility rightway
  3310. 2:11:29 Unknown speaker and the northern water. Is that why?
  3311. 2:11:31 Unknown speaker Um, I can uh I have our
  3312. 2:11:42 Unknown speaker Thanks in advance to fire and public
  3313. 2:11:45 Unknown speaker works here if you guys want to add
  3314. 2:11:46 Unknown speaker anything on there. Thank you.
  3315. 2:11:47 Unknown speaker Good evening, mayor, council, chief fire
  3316. 2:11:49 Unknown speaker marshall Jason O'Donnell. Um so this
  3317. 2:11:53 Unknown speaker goes back to a common thing that we
  3318. 2:11:54 Unknown speaker bring up and that goes to the half the
  3319. 2:11:56 Unknown speaker diagonal of the parcel. So um we have to
  3320. 2:12:00 Unknown speaker have two independent fire accesses. So
  3321. 2:12:04 Unknown speaker that's why that quell because of the
  3322. 2:12:06 Unknown speaker number of units proposed has to be an
  3323. 2:12:09 Unknown speaker independent
  3324. 2:12:11 Unknown speaker non-locked or non um it has to be
  3325. 2:12:15 Unknown speaker independent and it has to be open
  3326. 2:12:16 Unknown speaker and that's for pure public safety and
  3327. 2:12:18 Unknown speaker fire access if one of those access
  3328. 2:12:21 Unknown speaker points was blocked basically right
  3329. 2:12:22 Unknown speaker yeah yeah so in in our city municipal
  3330. 2:12:25 Unknown speaker code under 50312
  3331. 2:12:28 Unknown speaker it talks about the number of units
  3332. 2:12:30 Unknown speaker within the parcel um the way I like to
  3333. 2:12:33 Unknown speaker describe describe it because it's a
  3334. 2:12:34 Unknown speaker confusing topic and when people say just
  3335. 2:12:36 Unknown speaker half the diagonal people kind of scratch
  3336. 2:12:38 Unknown speaker their head and like what are you talking
  3337. 2:12:39 Unknown speaker about? So if you looked at a at a
  3338. 2:12:41 Unknown speaker rectangle and let's just say you had 100
  3339. 2:12:44 Unknown speaker units the rectangle is from one point to
  3340. 2:12:47 Unknown speaker another. If you divided that in half you
  3341. 2:12:50 Unknown speaker have 50 units. So your second access
  3342. 2:12:53 Unknown speaker cannot be within 50 units. So if we had
  3343. 2:12:56 Unknown speaker one on Clover Basin the next and it
  3344. 2:12:58 Unknown speaker couldn't be on airport, we would have to
  3345. 2:13:00 Unknown speaker go up to Quail to get that measurement
  3346. 2:13:03 Unknown speaker or that distance for that specific
  3347. 2:13:05 Unknown speaker [clears throat] independent access.
  3348. 2:13:07 Unknown speaker Okay, if that helps.
  3349. 2:13:08 Unknown speaker It does. Thank you, Jason. I just wanted
  3350. 2:13:09 Unknown speaker to make sure that I and others were
  3351. 2:13:11 Unknown speaker completely clear. Appreciate it. All
  3352. 2:13:12 Unknown speaker righty. Um hopefully the city attorney
  3353. 2:13:14 Unknown speaker is working through the language there,
  3354. 2:13:15 Unknown speaker but here's here's the um amendment I
  3355. 2:13:17 Unknown speaker would like to propose to condition two
  3356. 2:13:19 Unknown speaker um that was previously offered. Um Don,
  3357. 2:13:22 Unknown speaker you should have that language. Um, so
  3358. 2:13:23 Unknown speaker future site development shall
  3359. 2:13:25 Unknown speaker incorporate an on-site publicly
  3360. 2:13:27 Unknown speaker accessible docked bike share option
  3361. 2:13:29 Unknown speaker compatible with our current system
  3362. 2:13:31 Unknown speaker provided an option exists as part of the
  3363. 2:13:34 Unknown speaker final multimmoal plan and operational
  3364. 2:13:36 Unknown speaker within a year of the start of occupancy.
  3365. 2:13:39 Unknown speaker If no compatible system exists, this may
  3366. 2:13:41 Unknown speaker be disregarded. This also includes the
  3367. 2:13:43 Unknown speaker four requests by the applicant during
  3368. 2:13:45 Unknown speaker the public hearing as written by the
  3369. 2:13:47 Unknown speaker applicant.
  3370. 2:13:50 Unknown speaker Eugene, any concerns?
  3371. 2:13:57 Unknown speaker Uh, I thought we were incorporating the
  3372. 2:14:00 Unknown speaker developers.
  3373. 2:14:01 Unknown speaker Yes.
  3374. 2:14:02 Unknown speaker Conditions, but you made a completely
  3375. 2:14:04 Unknown speaker different
  3376. 2:14:04 Unknown speaker Yes,
  3377. 2:14:07 Unknown speaker that's what I'm noticing.
  3378. 2:14:08 Unknown speaker The only thing that I added here that
  3379. 2:14:10 Unknown speaker would be materially different from
  3380. 2:14:11 Unknown speaker before was operational within a year of
  3381. 2:14:13 Unknown speaker the start of occupancy. So, that's
  3382. 2:14:14 Unknown speaker giving more runway to the applicant to
  3383. 2:14:16 Unknown speaker include this in, at least based on my
  3384. 2:14:18 Unknown speaker understanding of how that would work. I
  3385. 2:14:20 Unknown speaker heard docked.
  3386. 2:14:21 Unknown speaker Uh yeah, that I did add the word docked.
  3387. 2:14:24 Unknown speaker You're correct. That was just to clarify
  3388. 2:14:26 Unknown speaker what bike share option was compatible.
  3389. 2:14:28 Unknown speaker That's what our current system is. If
  3390. 2:14:29 Unknown speaker that gives you heartburn, we can take
  3391. 2:14:30 Unknown speaker that.
  3392. 2:14:31 Unknown speaker Is that not necessary? Because that's
  3393. 2:14:33 Unknown speaker already we have docked. Like that's what
  3394. 2:14:35 Unknown speaker we do. Oh, that was
  3395. 2:14:51 Unknown speaker Does that give you heartburn for some
  3396. 2:14:52 Unknown speaker reason?
  3397. 2:14:53 Unknown speaker It doesn't. I was I was looking at the
  3398. 2:14:55 Unknown speaker We are on the last We are on the last
  3399. 2:14:58 Unknown speaker We can take that. We can take that out.
  3400. 2:14:59 Unknown speaker That's fine. It's That's compatible with
  3401. 2:15:01 Unknown speaker our current system. I'm not worried
  3402. 2:15:03 Unknown speaker about that.
  3403. 2:15:04 Unknown speaker In the proposed conditions, I think
  3404. 2:15:08 Unknown speaker grammatically you need a comma before
  3405. 2:15:11 Unknown speaker subject to the following.
  3406. 2:15:13 Unknown speaker Otherwise,
  3407. 2:15:16 Unknown speaker it
  3408. 2:15:18 Unknown speaker it's not really a sentence. [laughter]
  3409. 2:15:21 Unknown speaker It will need Yeah.
  3410. 2:15:22 Unknown speaker Um,
  3411. 2:15:23 Unknown speaker sure. I mean, my specific condition was
  3412. 2:15:25 Unknown speaker just that this would also include the
  3413. 2:15:28 Unknown speaker four requests that were specified by the
  3414. 2:15:31 Unknown speaker applicant without restating all of that
  3415. 2:15:32 Unknown speaker language. it's been materially presented
  3416. 2:15:35 Unknown speaker and and included on the record here.
  3417. 2:15:38 Unknown speaker Well, if you want these conditions to be
  3418. 2:15:40 Unknown speaker part of the ordinance,
  3419. 2:15:41 Unknown speaker you would want that listed out has to be
  3420. 2:15:43 Unknown speaker part of the ordinance.
  3421. 2:15:45 Unknown speaker I didn't catch the language about um to
  3422. 2:15:48 Unknown speaker ignore this if there's no
  3423. 2:15:50 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  3424. 2:15:52 Unknown speaker bike share was that no compatible system
  3425. 2:15:55 Unknown speaker exists. Yeah.
  3426. 2:15:56 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  3427. 2:15:57 Unknown speaker Mayor, maybe we take you want to take a
  3428. 2:15:59 Unknown speaker quick break. Can we just do go with
  3429. 2:16:02 Unknown speaker these amendments?
  3430. 2:16:03 Unknown speaker People waiting
  3431. 2:16:03 Unknown speaker because we've got people waiting.
  3432. 2:16:07 Unknown speaker I I am fine. I mean
  3433. 2:16:08 Unknown speaker that's that's fine. I'm fine. Uh
  3434. 2:16:11 Unknown speaker just
  3435. 2:16:11 Unknown speaker because I am willing to accept this
  3436. 2:16:13 Unknown speaker ordinance. Otherwise, you know, I just
  3437. 2:16:15 Unknown speaker assume have it removed.
  3438. 2:16:16 Unknown speaker That's fine. Um okay, then I will go
  3439. 2:16:19 Unknown speaker ahead and just amend it with uh the four
  3440. 2:16:21 Unknown speaker requests as written by the applicant
  3441. 2:16:23 Unknown speaker during the public hearing.
  3442. 2:16:24 Unknown speaker Thank you. Do we have a second?
  3443. 2:16:26 Unknown speaker Second.
  3444. 2:16:27 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made to um
  3445. 2:16:31 Unknown speaker add the um four requirements um as
  3446. 2:16:34 Unknown speaker stated by the developer. Do you need me
  3447. 2:16:36 Unknown speaker to read them for the record?
  3448. 2:16:39 Unknown speaker Uh I've got them here. Okay. Do do I get
  3449. 2:16:42 Unknown speaker a comma before subject to the following?
  3450. 2:16:44 Unknown speaker Yes, you will get a comma.
  3451. 2:16:45 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3452. 2:16:47 Unknown speaker Okay. And the um it was and the item had
  3453. 2:16:49 Unknown speaker been motion was made by council member
  3454. 2:16:51 Unknown speaker Popkin, seconded by Cal Council member
  3455. 2:16:53 Unknown speaker Koffer. Seeing no one in the queue,
  3456. 2:16:55 Unknown speaker let's go ahead and vote on this
  3457. 2:16:56 Unknown speaker amendment.
  3458. 2:16:58 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3459. 2:17:00 Unknown speaker Um, so that item carries unanimously.
  3460. 2:17:03 Unknown speaker Now we are on to the main um motion.
  3461. 2:17:07 Unknown speaker Council member Marcen.
  3462. 2:17:09 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I move ordinance
  3463. 2:17:11 Unknown speaker 202662.
  3464. 2:17:13 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made um by
  3465. 2:17:15 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen to um pass pass
  3466. 2:17:18 Unknown speaker and adopt. Hold on. Pass and adopt
  3467. 2:17:20 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-62
  3468. 2:17:22 Unknown speaker as amended. And um the item was seconded
  3469. 2:17:26 Unknown speaker by council member Popkin. See no one in
  3470. 2:17:28 Unknown speaker the queue. Let's go ahead and vote.
  3471. 2:17:33 Unknown speaker Okay. And that item carries unanimously.
  3472. 2:17:35 Unknown speaker We are going to go ahead and take a
  3473. 2:17:36 Unknown speaker 5minut break. Thank you.
  3474. 2:18:14 Unknown speaker Heat.
  3475. 2:18:40 Unknown speaker Hey. Hey. Hey.
  3476. 2:18:42 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  3477. 2:19:03 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  3478. 2:20:33 Unknown speaker [music]
  3479. 2:21:25 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  3480. 2:21:29 Unknown speaker Heat.
  3481. 2:22:14 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  3482. 2:22:38 Unknown speaker [music]
  3483. 2:22:45 Unknown speaker [music]
  3484. 2:22:52 Unknown speaker [music]
  3485. 2:23:12 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  3486. 2:24:06 Unknown speaker [music]
  3487. 2:24:10 Unknown speaker Okay, I would like council members to
  3488. 2:24:13 Unknown speaker make their way back to the dis. We're
  3489. 2:24:15 Unknown speaker going to begin.
  3490. 2:24:26 Unknown speaker public.
  3491. 2:24:33 Unknown speaker Okay. So, um if members of the public
  3492. 2:24:35 Unknown speaker can make their way back to their seats
  3493. 2:24:37 Unknown speaker as well. Um, I'm going to go ahead and
  3494. 2:24:40 Unknown speaker use my executive privilege to augment
  3495. 2:24:42 Unknown speaker this schedule and uh move final call
  3496. 2:24:46 Unknown speaker public invited to be heard to this time
  3497. 2:24:49 Unknown speaker um just because we have some meaty
  3498. 2:24:50 Unknown speaker discussions going on with the rest of
  3499. 2:24:52 Unknown speaker our um items from removed from consent
  3500. 2:24:55 Unknown speaker agenda as well as general business
  3501. 2:24:57 Unknown speaker items. So I will be making my way
  3502. 2:24:59 Unknown speaker starting down the list and then it's
  3503. 2:25:02 Unknown speaker open for anyone who um um would like to
  3504. 2:25:05 Unknown speaker speak. So again, same rules apply. Uh
  3505. 2:25:09 Unknown speaker you will have three minutes to speak and
  3506. 2:25:12 Unknown speaker just state your name when you come to
  3507. 2:25:13 Unknown speaker the podium. So the first name on my list
  3508. 2:25:16 Unknown speaker here is um and I I apologize if I get it
  3509. 2:25:19 Unknown speaker wrong. Um Median uh Schaefer Schffner
  3510. 2:25:51 Unknown speaker I know you're making a concession for
  3511. 2:25:53 Unknown speaker us. We're just waiting for
  3512. 2:25:54 Unknown speaker No, that is fine. Thank you.
  3513. 2:25:57 Unknown speaker Yeah, of course. [clears throat]
  3514. 2:26:04 Unknown speaker Let me go grab.
  3515. 2:26:16 Unknown speaker Okay. And I do see several names on the
  3516. 2:26:18 Unknown speaker list. Will each person be speaking
  3517. 2:26:20 Unknown speaker individually? Whoever's listed. Yes.
  3518. 2:26:22 Unknown speaker So then and you each have three minutes.
  3519. 2:26:24 Unknown speaker So yeah. Thanks.
  3520. 2:26:26 Unknown speaker And then
  3521. 2:26:40 Unknown speaker When she starts speaking, you can turn
  3522. 2:26:43 Unknown speaker on the timer.
  3523. 2:26:45 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3524. 2:27:01 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  3525. 2:27:07 Unknown speaker So tonight, the name that we need for
  3526. 2:27:09 Unknown speaker you to hear and remember is Darius
  3527. 2:27:11 Unknown speaker Yerby. So I'm going to exclude from
  3528. 2:27:14 Unknown speaker introducing myself. And I also just want
  3529. 2:27:17 Unknown speaker to acknowledge the cost that a family
  3530. 2:27:19 Unknown speaker pays when they live grief like this out
  3531. 2:27:22 Unknown speaker loud. This family is going to live this
  3532. 2:27:25 Unknown speaker out loud because they don't want it to
  3533. 2:27:27 Unknown speaker happen to someone else.
  3534. 2:27:30 Unknown speaker Darius Yerby was 20 years old when he
  3535. 2:27:33 Unknown speaker was taken by the police.
  3536. 2:27:36 Unknown speaker Whatever conditions or whatever things
  3537. 2:27:39 Unknown speaker he was going through in his life
  3538. 2:27:42 Unknown speaker are not something that removes the
  3539. 2:27:45 Unknown speaker responsibility of a policing system or a
  3540. 2:27:48 Unknown speaker government to preserve his life.
  3541. 2:27:52 Unknown speaker In June of 2026,
  3542. 2:27:54 Unknown speaker there was a law that was passed that
  3543. 2:27:57 Unknown speaker ensures that police do not have an
  3544. 2:27:59 Unknown speaker advantage of narrative when they
  3545. 2:28:00 Unknown speaker continue to take people from our
  3546. 2:28:02 Unknown speaker community.
  3547. 2:28:04 Unknown speaker We are very well-versed in that law
  3548. 2:28:05 Unknown speaker because we designed it.
  3549. 2:28:09 Unknown speaker Your assistant chief of police
  3550. 2:28:12 Unknown speaker violated that law when he gave your
  3551. 2:28:15 Unknown speaker critical incident briefing.
  3552. 2:28:18 Unknown speaker when he stated as if it was fact that
  3553. 2:28:21 Unknown speaker Darius supposedly took someone hostage.
  3554. 2:28:26 Unknown speaker That is a legal conclusion that is
  3555. 2:28:28 Unknown speaker outside the bounds of the law.
  3556. 2:28:31 Unknown speaker Senate Bill 26190 is designed to protect
  3557. 2:28:34 Unknown speaker families from having to watch their
  3558. 2:28:37 Unknown speaker loved ones legacy be ripped and stripped
  3559. 2:28:40 Unknown speaker for the sake of convenience of ensuring
  3560. 2:28:43 Unknown speaker that the police
  3561. 2:28:45 Unknown speaker are seen as heroic.
  3562. 2:28:48 Unknown speaker Evidence
  3563. 2:28:50 Unknown speaker should be evidence
  3564. 2:28:53 Unknown speaker and the police should not get the first,
  3565. 2:28:56 Unknown speaker the loudest and the only word.
  3566. 2:28:59 Unknown speaker This family will get their word.
  3567. 2:29:02 Unknown speaker Evidence will get its word. Law will get
  3568. 2:29:05 Unknown speaker its word.
  3569. 2:29:08 Unknown speaker And so, as you are going to watch this
  3570. 2:29:10 Unknown speaker family live this out loud painfully,
  3571. 2:29:14 Unknown speaker I want to debunk the myth that they are
  3572. 2:29:15 Unknown speaker coming from some emotional place that is
  3573. 2:29:17 Unknown speaker not informed. They are grounded. They
  3574. 2:29:20 Unknown speaker are equipped. And they are informed of
  3575. 2:29:22 Unknown speaker what should have happened to preserve
  3576. 2:29:24 Unknown speaker Darius's legacy. Because to the living,
  3577. 2:29:27 Unknown speaker we owe respect. into the debt we owe the
  3578. 2:29:29 Unknown speaker truth. And that is what this family is
  3579. 2:29:32 Unknown speaker going to demand.
  3580. 2:29:34 Unknown speaker So we are demanding that you as a
  3581. 2:29:36 Unknown speaker council
  3582. 2:29:38 Unknown speaker exhaust an independent investigation
  3583. 2:29:40 Unknown speaker into the con the way that Senate Bill
  3584. 2:29:42 Unknown speaker 26190 was handled by your assistant
  3585. 2:29:46 Unknown speaker police chief
  3586. 2:29:48 Unknown speaker and we are going to require that you
  3587. 2:29:50 Unknown speaker release that publicly.
  3588. 2:29:53 Unknown speaker We know and understand this process is
  3589. 2:29:55 Unknown speaker in the hands of those who are supposed
  3590. 2:29:57 Unknown speaker to be doing an investigation. We will
  3591. 2:29:59 Unknown speaker respect that investigation and we will
  3592. 2:30:02 Unknown speaker absolutely be ready to confront anything
  3593. 2:30:05 Unknown speaker that's inconsistent in that
  3594. 2:30:06 Unknown speaker investigation. We demand that this is
  3595. 2:30:09 Unknown speaker not the first time that you this is the
  3596. 2:30:11 Unknown speaker first time you'll see us, but this will
  3597. 2:30:13 Unknown speaker not be the last.
  3598. 2:30:14 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, so the next person on the
  3599. 2:30:17 Unknown speaker list is Christine Wear.
  3600. 2:30:21 Unknown speaker And if you're not ready, I can call the
  3601. 2:30:24 Unknown speaker next [snorts] person first.
  3602. 2:30:27 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  3603. 2:30:28 Unknown speaker Hello, my name is Christine Wear. I am
  3604. 2:30:30 Unknown speaker the mother of Darius Yerby, who was
  3605. 2:30:33 Unknown speaker raised by myself, his father, his
  3606. 2:30:35 Unknown speaker stepfather, and godmom, and a fortunate
  3607. 2:30:38 Unknown speaker family. [snorts]
  3608. 2:30:40 Unknown speaker Darius was outstanding. He was an
  3609. 2:30:43 Unknown speaker outstanding young man who wanted
  3610. 2:30:45 Unknown speaker [snorts] to be an engineer. He wanted to
  3611. 2:30:47 Unknown speaker work on airplanes. Darius was a loving
  3612. 2:30:49 Unknown speaker young man. He wasn't the kind of kid who
  3613. 2:30:51 Unknown speaker was in the streets. No, he wasn't.
  3614. 2:30:54 Unknown speaker [snorts] He was a loving boy who valued
  3615. 2:30:57 Unknown speaker family and God. He loved dancing
  3616. 2:31:00 Unknown speaker and taking care of his family.
  3617. 2:31:03 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  3618. 2:31:04 Unknown speaker Darius was my oldest child, my first
  3619. 2:31:07 Unknown speaker son, who showed me what love really was.
  3620. 2:31:09 Unknown speaker He was not aggressive. He was surrounded
  3621. 2:31:12 Unknown speaker by women and loved them endlessly.
  3622. 2:31:14 Unknown speaker Darius never loved Darius wanted to
  3623. 2:31:18 Unknown speaker never wanted to disappoint me or his
  3624. 2:31:20 Unknown speaker family members. So he always strived to
  3625. 2:31:22 Unknown speaker do the right thing. Darius [snorts] was
  3626. 2:31:24 Unknown speaker a huge part of me. He helped me take
  3627. 2:31:27 Unknown speaker care of his siblings and also did
  3628. 2:31:29 Unknown speaker caregiving for his grandmother and other
  3629. 2:31:31 Unknown speaker elderly people. [snorts]
  3630. 2:31:34 Unknown speaker This should show you what kind of kid
  3631. 2:31:36 Unknown speaker Darius was and inspired to be.
  3632. 2:31:40 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  3633. 2:31:41 Unknown speaker Darius had interrogate. He had hope and
  3634. 2:31:45 Unknown speaker was so respectful. Always
  3635. 2:31:48 Unknown speaker addressing [snorts]
  3636. 2:31:49 Unknown speaker his elders as yes ma'am and no sir.
  3637. 2:31:53 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  3638. 2:31:56 Unknown speaker Darius [clears throat] wanted to be
  3639. 2:31:57 Unknown speaker great. Always striving to protect the
  3640. 2:31:59 Unknown speaker people he loved. Darius was my son.
  3641. 2:32:02 Unknown speaker Darius was a brother. And Darius was a
  3642. 2:32:05 Unknown speaker friend.
  3643. 2:32:06 Unknown speaker Darius [snorts] was a black boy trying
  3644. 2:32:08 Unknown speaker to beat the image that the real had on
  3645. 2:32:11 Unknown speaker black men. Darius is missed every
  3646. 2:32:13 Unknown speaker moment. Every time [snorts] I walk past
  3647. 2:32:15 Unknown speaker Darius's room, he does he's he's not
  3648. 2:32:17 Unknown speaker there. Every time I cook his meals that
  3649. 2:32:20 Unknown speaker he loved, he's not there. [snorts]
  3650. 2:32:22 Unknown speaker Darius
  3651. 2:32:24 Unknown speaker is loved by all of us. Darius was deep
  3652. 2:32:27 Unknown speaker in his faith and always talked about God
  3653. 2:32:29 Unknown speaker and making sure I was always at ease
  3654. 2:32:31 Unknown speaker when it came to those things. The last
  3655. 2:32:33 Unknown speaker thing he wrote in his journal was Isaiah
  3656. 2:32:35 Unknown speaker 40:31.
  3657. 2:32:37 Unknown speaker [snorts] But they who walk for the Lord
  3658. 2:32:39 Unknown speaker shall renew their strength. They shall
  3659. 2:32:41 Unknown speaker melt up with wings. Darius was my light,
  3660. 2:32:45 Unknown speaker my joy, and my everything.
  3661. 2:32:48 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  3662. 2:32:50 Unknown speaker Come on, sister.
  3663. 2:33:09 Unknown speaker Shireena Harden.
  3664. 2:33:12 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  3665. 2:33:21 Unknown speaker Good evening everybody. Um, my name is
  3666. 2:33:23 Unknown speaker Shireena Harden and I am here today
  3667. 2:33:25 Unknown speaker because Darius Gerby was more than just
  3668. 2:33:27 Unknown speaker a name on a police report.
  3669. 2:33:30 Unknown speaker He Darius was somebody's son. He was
  3670. 2:33:33 Unknown speaker kind. He was respectful. He was a good
  3671. 2:33:34 Unknown speaker student who graduated high school. He
  3672. 2:33:36 Unknown speaker loved his mother. He looked out for his
  3673. 2:33:38 Unknown speaker little sister and little brothers. He
  3674. 2:33:40 Unknown speaker enjoyed sitting with his mom, watching
  3675. 2:33:42 Unknown speaker TV, eating sunflower seeds. That's one
  3676. 2:33:44 Unknown speaker of her greatest memories of him. Um,
  3677. 2:33:47 Unknown speaker these are things that I want you to
  3678. 2:33:49 Unknown speaker remember as you hear his name. But I'm
  3679. 2:33:51 Unknown speaker not here because of that. I'm here
  3680. 2:33:54 Unknown speaker because Darius was struggling with
  3681. 2:33:55 Unknown speaker something. I work in mental health. And
  3682. 2:34:00 Unknown speaker Darius's story forces us to look at what
  3683. 2:34:02 Unknown speaker happens when a person in crisis comes in
  3684. 2:34:04 Unknown speaker contact with law enforcement and serious
  3685. 2:34:06 Unknown speaker accusations are introduced into that
  3686. 2:34:08 Unknown speaker crisis. At what point do we separate
  3687. 2:34:11 Unknown speaker what is known from what is being
  3688. 2:34:13 Unknown speaker alleged?
  3689. 2:34:15 Unknown speaker That brings me to the central question.
  3690. 2:34:18 Unknown speaker What was fact and what was assumption?
  3691. 2:34:20 Unknown speaker The 911 caller stated she [snorts] did
  3692. 2:34:23 Unknown speaker not know whether Darius had a weapon. I
  3693. 2:34:25 Unknown speaker don't think he has weapons, but who
  3694. 2:34:26 Unknown speaker knows? I don't think he has a gun, but I
  3695. 2:34:28 Unknown speaker don't know. She said, "Maybe, probably.
  3696. 2:34:31 Unknown speaker I have no idea, and I'm not really sure
  3697. 2:34:33 Unknown speaker yet." Serious allegations were presented
  3698. 2:34:35 Unknown speaker as facts, including that Darius had a
  3699. 2:34:38 Unknown speaker murder charge, which we know was
  3700. 2:34:39 Unknown speaker incorrect. The young woman described as
  3701. 2:34:42 Unknown speaker the hostage was also telling law
  3702. 2:34:43 Unknown speaker enforcement on body cam footage that
  3703. 2:34:45 Unknown speaker Darius did not have a weapon. clothes
  3704. 2:34:48 Unknown speaker were being thrown from his bag. We were
  3705. 2:34:50 Unknown speaker told that law enforcement um knew and
  3706. 2:34:53 Unknown speaker was aware in that 911 call that Darius
  3707. 2:34:55 Unknown speaker was suicidal. No weapon was found. When
  3708. 2:34:59 Unknown speaker a mental health crisis and serious
  3709. 2:35:00 Unknown speaker accusations collide, the response should
  3710. 2:35:02 Unknown speaker be grounded in verified information, not
  3711. 2:35:04 Unknown speaker speculation, while protecting everyone
  3712. 2:35:06 Unknown speaker involved. That means considering mental
  3713. 2:35:08 Unknown speaker health resources, deescalation,
  3714. 2:35:10 Unknown speaker communication, distance, time, every
  3715. 2:35:13 Unknown speaker reasonable alternative available.
  3716. 2:35:14 Unknown speaker Because I work in mental health, I see
  3717. 2:35:16 Unknown speaker far too many young men of color
  3718. 2:35:18 Unknown speaker experience a mental health crisis who
  3719. 2:35:20 Unknown speaker eventually come into contact with the
  3720. 2:35:21 Unknown speaker law enforcement. And once that happens,
  3721. 2:35:24 Unknown speaker we have to make sure the response
  3722. 2:35:25 Unknown speaker recognizes both realities. There may be
  3723. 2:35:28 Unknown speaker a person who needs protection and there
  3724. 2:35:29 Unknown speaker may be a person in crisis who needs
  3725. 2:35:31 Unknown speaker help. Both lives matter.
  3726. 2:35:34 Unknown speaker The goal should be to everyone that that
  3727. 2:35:37 Unknown speaker is in the situation be removed safely,
  3728. 2:35:39 Unknown speaker not have a family standing here later
  3729. 2:35:41 Unknown speaker wearing a shirt with their loved ones
  3730. 2:35:43 Unknown speaker picture with RIP above their name. That
  3731. 2:35:45 Unknown speaker should not be allowed or should not be
  3732. 2:35:47 Unknown speaker the outcome of a mental health crisis.
  3733. 2:35:49 Unknown speaker We also have to be willing to examine
  3734. 2:35:51 Unknown speaker whether race can influence how danger is
  3735. 2:35:53 Unknown speaker perceived and how mental health crisis
  3736. 2:35:55 Unknown speaker are handled. Not as an accusation
  3737. 2:35:57 Unknown speaker without evidence, but as a question we
  3738. 2:35:59 Unknown speaker have responsibility to examine. Because
  3739. 2:36:01 Unknown speaker a thought is not a fact. A fear is not a
  3740. 2:36:03 Unknown speaker fact and an assumption is not a fact.
  3741. 2:36:05 Unknown speaker And when getting to distinction, wrong
  3742. 2:36:07 Unknown speaker can cost someone their lives. In this
  3743. 2:36:09 Unknown speaker case, that was Darius. Distinction
  3744. 2:36:11 Unknown speaker matters. So, I'm asking for
  3745. 2:36:13 Unknown speaker accountability through facts. What was
  3746. 2:36:15 Unknown speaker verified? What was assumed? What
  3747. 2:36:16 Unknown speaker procedures were followed? What mental
  3748. 2:36:18 Unknown speaker health resources and alternatives were
  3749. 2:36:20 Unknown speaker had.
  3750. 2:36:23 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um,
  3751. 2:36:26 Unknown speaker uh, Ver Veronica Seabour, is that
  3752. 2:36:33 Unknown speaker okay,
  3753. 2:36:41 Unknown speaker it's Veronica C. Braun.
  3754. 2:36:43 Unknown speaker Oh, I'm a mother who had to bury her
  3755. 2:36:45 Unknown speaker child, Jaylen Cbron. And I stand here
  3756. 2:36:48 Unknown speaker tonight because a life was taken. And
  3757. 2:36:50 Unknown speaker when a life is taken by someone sworn to
  3758. 2:36:52 Unknown speaker protect it, the entire community feels
  3759. 2:36:54 Unknown speaker that wound. We gather not just to mourn,
  3760. 2:36:57 Unknown speaker but to confront the truth that cannot be
  3761. 2:36:59 Unknown speaker ignored. The obligation to preserve life
  3762. 2:37:02 Unknown speaker must be at the center of every decision
  3763. 2:37:04 Unknown speaker made by law enforcement. An officer
  3764. 2:37:07 Unknown speaker involved shooting is not just an
  3765. 2:37:08 Unknown speaker incident on a report. It is not just a
  3766. 2:37:11 Unknown speaker moment in a news cycle. It is a moment
  3767. 2:37:13 Unknown speaker that changes families lives forever. It
  3768. 2:37:15 Unknown speaker forces us to examine the systems, the
  3769. 2:37:17 Unknown speaker training, and the choices that led to a
  3770. 2:37:19 Unknown speaker split-second action with permanent
  3771. 2:37:21 Unknown speaker consequences. We understand that
  3772. 2:37:24 Unknown speaker officers face uncertainty in situations.
  3773. 2:37:26 Unknown speaker But with that, reality becomes a
  3774. 2:37:28 Unknown speaker responsibility. The responsibility of
  3775. 2:37:31 Unknown speaker the law enforcement to save lives. The
  3776. 2:37:33 Unknown speaker obligation is not optional. It is not
  3777. 2:37:36 Unknown speaker situational. It is foundational. Because
  3778. 2:37:38 Unknown speaker this is not a statistic. This is Darius
  3779. 2:37:41 Unknown speaker Yerby, a young man whose life was cut
  3780. 2:37:43 Unknown speaker short. a son who will always be forever
  3781. 2:37:46 Unknown speaker 21. His future taken, his voice taken,
  3782. 2:37:49 Unknown speaker and now his family carries a pain that
  3783. 2:37:51 Unknown speaker will never fully heal. And I need to
  3784. 2:37:53 Unknown speaker speak directly to something that caused
  3785. 2:37:55 Unknown speaker a deeper harm. After Darius was killed,
  3786. 2:37:57 Unknown speaker old allegations were repeated and
  3787. 2:37:59 Unknown speaker emphasized in official reports, shaping
  3788. 2:38:02 Unknown speaker a narrative about him that he cannot
  3789. 2:38:04 Unknown speaker defend. These allegations were pushed
  3790. 2:38:06 Unknown speaker forward as if they justified his death.
  3791. 2:38:09 Unknown speaker They do not. That just causes more hurt
  3792. 2:38:11 Unknown speaker on top of grief. Grieving mothers,
  3793. 2:38:14 Unknown speaker families, advocates fought hard for the
  3794. 2:38:16 Unknown speaker law. Senate Bill 26190 that protects our
  3795. 2:38:20 Unknown speaker children from being publicly smeared
  3796. 2:38:22 Unknown speaker after death. We fought for it because we
  3797. 2:38:25 Unknown speaker knew how narratives were weaponized to
  3798. 2:38:27 Unknown speaker shift blame onto a person who can no
  3799. 2:38:29 Unknown speaker longer speak. That law was meant to stop
  3800. 2:38:33 Unknown speaker exactly this kind of hurt. So when those
  3801. 2:38:36 Unknown speaker protections are ignored, it is not just
  3802. 2:38:38 Unknown speaker a mistake, it is a violation. SB26190
  3803. 2:38:42 Unknown speaker literally has my blood, sweat, and tears
  3804. 2:38:45 Unknown speaker in that law. And it is a slap in my face
  3805. 2:38:48 Unknown speaker and every mother who fought for this
  3806. 2:38:50 Unknown speaker dignity. It tears open a wound that is
  3807. 2:38:52 Unknown speaker already struggling to hear to heal. It
  3808. 2:38:55 Unknown speaker tells us that our children's humanity
  3809. 2:38:57 Unknown speaker can be overshadowed by allegations
  3810. 2:39:00 Unknown speaker instead of honoring the lives that they
  3811. 2:39:02 Unknown speaker have lived. When our life is lost, we
  3812. 2:39:04 Unknown speaker must be rooted in justice, not
  3813. 2:39:07 Unknown speaker convenience, not politics, not
  3814. 2:39:09 Unknown speaker narratives built from past allegations
  3815. 2:39:11 Unknown speaker or false allegations. Darius family
  3816. 2:39:14 Unknown speaker deserves dignity. They deserve respect.
  3817. 2:39:17 Unknown speaker They deserve to have him remembered as
  3818. 2:39:19 Unknown speaker more than a headline or a case number.
  3819. 2:39:22 Unknown speaker Our community deserves a future where
  3820. 2:39:24 Unknown speaker the preservation of life is not just a
  3821. 2:39:26 Unknown speaker principle written in policy, but
  3822. 2:39:29 Unknown speaker practice lived in every encounter, every
  3823. 2:39:32 Unknown speaker decision, every moment of authority. So
  3824. 2:39:34 Unknown speaker tonight, I stand here to say we can
  3825. 2:39:37 Unknown speaker grieve and still demand change. We can
  3826. 2:39:39 Unknown speaker mourn and still insist truth. And we can
  3827. 2:39:42 Unknown speaker honor Darius's life by making sure no
  3828. 2:39:45 Unknown speaker one else has to stand here where this
  3829. 2:39:47 Unknown speaker family is.
  3830. 2:39:47 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3831. 2:39:48 Unknown speaker Um and so can we have order, please?
  3832. 2:39:51 Unknown speaker Thank you, Shay.
  3833. 2:40:06 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  3834. 2:40:07 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  3835. 2:40:08 Unknown speaker I just wanted to say I I just want you
  3836. 2:40:11 Unknown speaker guys to know who Darius truly was.
  3837. 2:40:14 Unknown speaker Um,
  3838. 2:40:16 Unknown speaker I want people to know I want people to
  3839. 2:40:19 Unknown speaker know the love that Darius, the love that
  3840. 2:40:21 Unknown speaker I knew Darius had. I want people to know
  3841. 2:40:24 Unknown speaker the young man behind all of this. A
  3842. 2:40:26 Unknown speaker beautiful, kind, loving, and amazing kid
  3843. 2:40:28 Unknown speaker who meant so much to me. Darius was my
  3844. 2:40:31 Unknown speaker godson. But the title
  3845. 2:40:34 Unknown speaker But the title doesn't even belong.
  3846. 2:40:37 Unknown speaker But the title doesn't even begin to
  3847. 2:40:39 Unknown speaker explain the place he held in my heart.
  3848. 2:40:43 Unknown speaker He was someone I loved, someone I cared
  3849. 2:40:46 Unknown speaker about, and someone I was proud to call
  3850. 2:40:47 Unknown speaker my godson. He had a loving He had a
  3851. 2:40:51 Unknown speaker loving heart and a beautiful spirit, and
  3852. 2:40:53 Unknown speaker he deserved the opportunity to continue
  3853. 2:40:56 Unknown speaker to grow loving, laughing, and living his
  3854. 2:40:59 Unknown speaker life. It breaks my heart that this that
  3855. 2:41:01 Unknown speaker his life was taken from him. No matter
  3856. 2:41:04 Unknown speaker what anyone says about what happened, I
  3857. 2:41:07 Unknown speaker would never allow the circumstances
  3858. 2:41:09 Unknown speaker surrounding his death to erase the
  3859. 2:41:11 Unknown speaker person Darius was. He was not a
  3860. 2:41:14 Unknown speaker situation. He was not a headline. He was
  3861. 2:41:16 Unknown speaker not a story for people to debate. He was
  3862. 2:41:20 Unknown speaker my He was Darius. He was my godson.
  3863. 2:41:22 Unknown speaker [snorts] He was
  3864. 2:41:25 Unknown speaker He was someone's son. He was someone's
  3865. 2:41:28 Unknown speaker He was someone's family. [snorts]
  3866. 2:41:31 Unknown speaker But most of all, he was my God's son. He
  3867. 2:41:36 Unknown speaker I'm sorry. He was cared for. He was the
  3868. 2:41:38 Unknown speaker human being with [snorts] the life with
  3869. 2:41:41 Unknown speaker the life, a heart, dreams, and people
  3870. 2:41:43 Unknown speaker who loved him deeply.
  3871. 2:41:46 Unknown speaker As his godmom, I will continue to speak
  3872. 2:41:48 Unknown speaker about the person I know and loved. I
  3873. 2:41:50 Unknown speaker want people to remember his kindness,
  3874. 2:41:52 Unknown speaker his loving heart, his smile, his
  3875. 2:41:54 Unknown speaker personality, and the [snorts] beautiful
  3876. 2:41:56 Unknown speaker soul that he was. Darius deserves to be
  3877. 2:41:59 Unknown speaker here. He deserved more life. He deserved
  3878. 2:42:01 Unknown speaker more time. And I will [snorts] never
  3879. 2:42:03 Unknown speaker stop loving him. I will never stop
  3880. 2:42:05 Unknown speaker missing him. And I will never let the
  3881. 2:42:07 Unknown speaker world forget the amazing, loving, kind
  3882. 2:42:09 Unknown speaker kid that my godson was. [snorts]
  3883. 2:42:14 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you, Malaya Johnson.
  3884. 2:42:26 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  3885. 2:42:30 Unknown speaker Good evening.
  3886. 2:42:31 Unknown speaker [sighs]
  3887. 2:42:32 Unknown speaker My name is Malaya and I'm here today
  3888. 2:42:34 Unknown speaker because my big brother Darius Yerby was
  3889. 2:42:36 Unknown speaker killed by a Longmont police officer.
  3890. 2:42:39 Unknown speaker And to his friends, he was known as KJ.
  3891. 2:42:42 Unknown speaker To me, he was my big brother. He was a
  3892. 2:42:44 Unknown speaker respectful, mellow, and spiritual
  3893. 2:42:46 Unknown speaker person. Darius was deeply in touch with
  3894. 2:42:49 Unknown speaker God.
  3895. 2:42:50 Unknown speaker He had a heart that many people who knew
  3896. 2:42:52 Unknown speaker him will never forget. And today, I'm
  3897. 2:42:55 Unknown speaker not standing here asking you to see my
  3898. 2:42:57 Unknown speaker brother as a case,
  3899. 2:42:59 Unknown speaker as an incident or a police report. I'm
  3900. 2:43:02 Unknown speaker asking you to remember remember that
  3901. 2:43:04 Unknown speaker Darius was a human being.
  3902. 2:43:07 Unknown speaker He was somebody's son, somebody's
  3903. 2:43:09 Unknown speaker brother, somebody's friend, and somebody
  3904. 2:43:11 Unknown speaker who had people who loved him and
  3905. 2:43:13 Unknown speaker expected him to come home that night.
  3906. 2:43:16 Unknown speaker [snorts] Our family is now forced to
  3907. 2:43:18 Unknown speaker live with the fact that he never will. I
  3908. 2:43:20 Unknown speaker believe there were other ways the
  3909. 2:43:22 Unknown speaker situation could have been handled. There
  3910. 2:43:24 Unknown speaker were opportunities to slow things down,
  3911. 2:43:29 Unknown speaker communicate, deescalate, negotiate, and
  3912. 2:43:32 Unknown speaker find another way to bring the situation
  3913. 2:43:34 Unknown speaker to an end. But instead, my brother lost
  3914. 2:43:37 Unknown speaker his life.
  3915. 2:43:39 Unknown speaker Regardless of what happened in the
  3916. 2:43:40 Unknown speaker moments leading up to the shooting, his
  3917. 2:43:42 Unknown speaker life had value. His life should have
  3918. 2:43:45 Unknown speaker mattered enough for every reasonable
  3919. 2:43:47 Unknown speaker alternative to be considered before
  3920. 2:43:49 Unknown speaker deadly force was used.
  3921. 2:43:51 Unknown speaker I'm asking the city council for
  3922. 2:43:53 Unknown speaker accountability, transparency, and real
  3923. 2:43:56 Unknown speaker answers. I want the full truth about
  3924. 2:43:58 Unknown speaker what happened to Darius. I want his
  3925. 2:44:00 Unknown speaker family and the community to have access
  3926. 2:44:02 Unknown speaker to the information that can be legally
  3927. 2:44:04 Unknown speaker made public. I want the actions of the
  3928. 2:44:07 Unknown speaker officer involved to be thoroughly and
  3929. 2:44:09 Unknown speaker independently reviewed. I want the city
  3930. 2:44:12 Unknown speaker to be honest about whether policies and
  3931. 2:44:14 Unknown speaker procedures were followed, whether
  3932. 2:44:16 Unknown speaker alternatives to deadly force were
  3933. 2:44:18 Unknown speaker available,
  3934. 2:44:19 Unknown speaker and whether anything could have been
  3935. 2:44:21 Unknown speaker done differently. And if mistakes were
  3936. 2:44:23 Unknown speaker made, I want those mistakes
  3937. 2:44:25 Unknown speaker acknowledged. I also want meaningful
  3938. 2:44:27 Unknown speaker changes to come from this. I want
  3939. 2:44:28 Unknown speaker Longmont to look closely at its use of
  3940. 2:44:31 Unknown speaker force policies, deescalation practices,
  3941. 2:44:33 Unknown speaker officers training, accountability
  3942. 2:44:36 Unknown speaker systems, and the way these incidents are
  3943. 2:44:38 Unknown speaker investigated and communicated to the
  3944. 2:44:40 Unknown speaker families in public because my [snorts]
  3945. 2:44:42 Unknown speaker family cannot get Darian's back.
  3946. 2:44:45 Unknown speaker No policy can change, no [snorts] policy
  3947. 2:44:48 Unknown speaker change can bring my brother home. No
  3948. 2:44:50 Unknown speaker investigation could give us another
  3949. 2:44:52 Unknown speaker conversation with him. No apology could
  3950. 2:44:54 Unknown speaker give us another birthday, another
  3951. 2:44:56 Unknown speaker holiday, or another day with him.
  3952. 2:44:58 Unknown speaker but something that can still be done
  3953. 2:44:59 Unknown speaker with the life that was taken from us.
  3954. 2:45:04 Unknown speaker His death can lead to accountability.
  3955. 2:45:06 Unknown speaker His death can lead to transparency. His
  3956. 2:45:09 Unknown speaker death can lead to changes that protect
  3957. 2:45:10 Unknown speaker somebody else's loved one. I want you to
  3958. 2:45:13 Unknown speaker understand that behind every police
  3959. 2:45:16 Unknown speaker shooting is a family that has to keep
  3960. 2:45:18 Unknown speaker living. After the cameras leave and
  3961. 2:45:20 Unknown speaker [snorts] after the headlines disappear,
  3962. 2:45:22 Unknown speaker we are still here. We are grieving. We
  3963. 2:45:25 Unknown speaker are angry. We are searching for answers
  3964. 2:45:28 Unknown speaker and we are asking you not to look away
  3965. 2:45:30 Unknown speaker from us.
  3966. 2:45:31 Unknown speaker I'm sorry. I know my time's up, but
  3967. 2:45:33 Unknown speaker y'all got to hear this. Darius deserved
  3968. 2:45:35 Unknown speaker to come home that night. KJ deserved to
  3969. 2:45:37 Unknown speaker be come home that night. My big brother
  3970. 2:45:39 Unknown speaker deserved to live. I am asking this
  3971. 2:45:41 Unknown speaker council to take our concern seriously,
  3972. 2:45:43 Unknown speaker to demand transparency, to support an
  3973. 2:45:45 Unknown speaker independent and thorough review of what
  3974. 2:45:47 Unknown speaker happened, and to make sure that
  3975. 2:45:49 Unknown speaker accountability does not stop when this
  3976. 2:45:51 Unknown speaker meeting ends. Please remember Darius
  3977. 2:45:53 Unknown speaker Yerby, not simply as the person who died
  3978. 2:45:56 Unknown speaker during an encounter with the police, but
  3979. 2:45:57 Unknown speaker as the mellow, respectful, spiritual,
  3980. 2:46:00 Unknown speaker loving person who loved God and was
  3981. 2:46:02 Unknown speaker deeply loved by his family and friends.
  3982. 2:46:04 Unknown speaker His life mattered, his name matters.
  3983. 2:46:07 Unknown speaker Darius Yerbies matters and our family
  3984. 2:46:11 Unknown speaker will continue to speak his name and ask
  3985. 2:46:13 Unknown speaker for justice, accountability, and change.
  3986. 2:46:16 Unknown speaker Thank you, K Dot. [applause]
  3987. 2:46:29 Unknown speaker Uh, good evening, [clears throat] the
  3988. 2:46:31 Unknown speaker city of Longmont. Um, first I want to uh
  3989. 2:46:38 Unknown speaker give a a huge thank you to Mr. Jake for
  3990. 2:46:41 Unknown speaker [snorts] his for extending his kindness
  3991. 2:46:45 Unknown speaker and his words. We appreciate that. Um,
  3992. 2:46:50 Unknown speaker I've I've been to plenty of
  3993. 2:46:53 Unknown speaker situations like this and that I haven't
  3994. 2:46:55 Unknown speaker seen that from leadership and you are
  3995. 2:46:59 Unknown speaker you showed leadership and you showed
  3996. 2:47:01 Unknown speaker human kindness and we appreciate that as
  3997. 2:47:03 Unknown speaker a family. So,
  3998. 2:47:05 Unknown speaker um, I want to display this picture here
  3999. 2:47:09 Unknown speaker says I love you because he was love.
  4000. 2:47:14 Unknown speaker That's why all these people are here.
  4001. 2:47:18 Unknown speaker That's why he was so special. You would
  4002. 2:47:20 Unknown speaker have loved
  4003. 2:47:22 Unknown speaker Darius.
  4004. 2:47:24 Unknown speaker He was brilliant.
  4005. 2:47:26 Unknown speaker A brilliant young man
  4006. 2:47:29 Unknown speaker who was probably his hardest critic from
  4007. 2:47:32 Unknown speaker his writings and his teachings. And he
  4008. 2:47:35 Unknown speaker always strived to be better and do
  4009. 2:47:37 Unknown speaker better.
  4010. 2:47:39 Unknown speaker He was very much a respectful young man,
  4011. 2:47:42 Unknown speaker a beautiful human being.
  4012. 2:47:45 Unknown speaker He was there for his family. He was
  4013. 2:47:47 Unknown speaker there for his mother. Loved his mother.
  4014. 2:47:49 Unknown speaker There for his father loved his father.
  4015. 2:47:58 Unknown speaker His mother presented love and his father
  4016. 2:48:02 Unknown speaker presented leadership and brilliance. I
  4017. 2:48:05 Unknown speaker want you to know that he comes from
  4018. 2:48:08 Unknown speaker greatness
  4019. 2:48:10 Unknown speaker and I I want that narrative to be
  4020. 2:48:13 Unknown speaker corrected.
  4021. 2:48:15 Unknown speaker for the false narrative that has been
  4022. 2:48:18 Unknown speaker spreading about him because he was love
  4023. 2:48:24 Unknown speaker and he was a human being, a great human
  4024. 2:48:26 Unknown speaker being.
  4025. 2:48:28 Unknown speaker Um, Darius, we love you. We miss you
  4026. 2:48:32 Unknown speaker and we're going to make sure that you
  4027. 2:48:34 Unknown speaker get justice.
  4028. 2:48:36 Unknown speaker Thank you for uh hearing us out. And to
  4029. 2:48:40 Unknown speaker my family, I love each and every one of
  4030. 2:48:42 Unknown speaker you. And um
  4031. 2:48:46 Unknown speaker thank you for your time.
  4032. 2:48:47 Unknown speaker Thank you, Brenda. Brenda Davis.
  4033. 2:48:53 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  4034. 2:48:57 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  4035. 2:48:58 Unknown speaker Good evening and thanks for hearing us.
  4036. 2:49:01 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  4037. 2:49:03 Unknown speaker Uh, you actually acknowledged us or
  4038. 2:49:07 Unknown speaker Jake, you you [snorts] acknowledged us
  4039. 2:49:08 Unknown speaker and I I I think you truly feel what
  4040. 2:49:12 Unknown speaker we're feeling. Um, my name is Brenda
  4041. 2:49:14 Unknown speaker Davis. I was Darius's great auntie. His
  4042. 2:49:18 Unknown speaker mom is my niece.
  4043. 2:49:21 Unknown speaker And I I gave him his first bath. I
  4044. 2:49:26 Unknown speaker honestly did. Um,
  4045. 2:49:28 Unknown speaker I just, you know, I'm I'm angry about
  4046. 2:49:31 Unknown speaker the the narrative. Darius was not a
  4047. 2:49:33 Unknown speaker thug. He was not a gangbanger. He had
  4048. 2:49:37 Unknown speaker nothing to do with any of that type of
  4049. 2:49:39 Unknown speaker thing. And I truly do not appreciate the
  4050. 2:49:42 Unknown speaker narrative
  4051. 2:49:44 Unknown speaker that the Longmont police put out about
  4052. 2:49:47 Unknown speaker him. I mean, before he was even cold,
  4053. 2:49:50 Unknown speaker they put stuff out and
  4054. 2:49:53 Unknown speaker that is not cool at all. That is not
  4055. 2:49:55 Unknown speaker kosher as my grandmother say. That was
  4056. 2:49:57 Unknown speaker so uncou.
  4057. 2:49:59 Unknown speaker It just it wasn't right. And Darius was
  4058. 2:50:04 Unknown speaker loved. He was very respectful. I
  4059. 2:50:09 Unknown speaker Darius such and such. Yes, ma'am.
  4060. 2:50:12 Unknown speaker No, ma'am. Yes, sir. No, sir.
  4061. 2:50:15 Unknown speaker Very
  4062. 2:50:17 Unknown speaker kind, gentle, nothing like he's being
  4063. 2:50:20 Unknown speaker portrayed of. And that's what hurts my
  4064. 2:50:22 Unknown speaker heart the most that that it's the
  4065. 2:50:25 Unknown speaker narrative is being put out that he was
  4066. 2:50:27 Unknown speaker this horrible person. He was the most
  4067. 2:50:29 Unknown speaker sweetest, gentlest soul that you could
  4068. 2:50:32 Unknown speaker ever meet. And I can honestly say out of
  4069. 2:50:34 Unknown speaker all my great nieces and nephews, all of
  4070. 2:50:37 Unknown speaker them, and there's a lot of them, he was
  4071. 2:50:40 Unknown speaker the most kind, respectful
  4072. 2:50:44 Unknown speaker young man.
  4073. 2:50:45 Unknown speaker And he he loved everybody and he was he
  4074. 2:50:48 Unknown speaker was a good kid. And it it it he was
  4075. 2:50:52 Unknown speaker loved and he was not alone. and he has
  4076. 2:50:56 Unknown speaker this isn't even a third of us, but
  4077. 2:50:59 Unknown speaker everybody couldn't be here cuz if
  4078. 2:51:01 Unknown speaker everybody was here, this place would be
  4079. 2:51:02 Unknown speaker packed.
  4080. 2:51:04 Unknown speaker He was loved. I just that's what I
  4081. 2:51:07 Unknown speaker really want to put out there. This young
  4082. 2:51:10 Unknown speaker man was loved and he was kind and he had
  4083. 2:51:13 Unknown speaker a good heart and he didn't deserve any
  4084. 2:51:16 Unknown speaker of what happened to him. And
  4085. 2:51:19 Unknown speaker I I advise anyone if you have a Bible,
  4086. 2:51:24 Unknown speaker Psalms 91.
  4087. 2:51:25 Unknown speaker Come on.
  4088. 2:51:26 Unknown speaker God is good.
  4089. 2:51:27 Unknown speaker That's right.
  4090. 2:51:28 Unknown speaker And
  4091. 2:51:32 Unknown speaker you can't play with God's children.
  4092. 2:51:34 Unknown speaker That's right.
  4093. 2:51:34 Unknown speaker I'm going tell you that right now. And
  4094. 2:51:37 Unknown speaker anyone [snorts]
  4095. 2:51:38 Unknown speaker and I'm not
  4096. 2:51:40 Unknown speaker Yeah, I'm knocking the police, but
  4097. 2:51:44 Unknown speaker [snorts] when you when you take the oath
  4098. 2:51:46 Unknown speaker to do that job, you you have to do that
  4099. 2:51:49 Unknown speaker job. If you don't if you can't do the
  4100. 2:51:51 Unknown speaker job, then you shouldn't even be in the
  4101. 2:51:53 Unknown speaker job. And when you when you got Yeah, we
  4102. 2:51:56 Unknown speaker saw the body cam. When you coming in hot
  4103. 2:51:58 Unknown speaker like that,
  4104. 2:52:00 Unknown speaker no good.
  4105. 2:52:01 Unknown speaker So, I'm just saying. Um,
  4106. 2:52:04 Unknown speaker thank you. Um,
  4107. 2:52:07 Unknown speaker my baby was loved.
  4108. 2:52:08 Unknown speaker Amen.
  4109. 2:52:09 Unknown speaker Joseph Harden. [applause]
  4110. 2:52:21 Unknown speaker I want to first give an honor to my
  4111. 2:52:24 Unknown speaker little cousin Darius. I know y'all said
  4112. 2:52:25 Unknown speaker we can't clap. Y'all clap for my little
  4113. 2:52:27 Unknown speaker cousin. [applause]
  4114. 2:52:31 Unknown speaker Now, I know our time is short here.
  4115. 2:52:35 Unknown speaker What I want to say is that there's
  4116. 2:52:38 Unknown speaker there's a very thin line between the way
  4117. 2:52:42 Unknown speaker that our people are treated versus y'all
  4118. 2:52:44 Unknown speaker people. And I'm going to say it.
  4119. 2:52:46 Unknown speaker It is.
  4120. 2:52:47 Unknown speaker Okay. [snorts]
  4121. 2:52:49 Unknown speaker I want to give, you know, I want to give
  4122. 2:52:53 Unknown speaker I don't even want to say props, but the
  4123. 2:52:55 Unknown speaker officers that were there first, the ones
  4124. 2:52:57 Unknown speaker that first got there and it was sitting
  4125. 2:52:59 Unknown speaker there, they tried to do their job. They
  4126. 2:53:01 Unknown speaker try to deescalate
  4127. 2:53:03 Unknown speaker that that man that came in and walked
  4128. 2:53:05 Unknown speaker past them as they tried to do their job
  4129. 2:53:08 Unknown speaker in their due diligence.
  4130. 2:53:10 Unknown speaker him. Okay, I'm sorry. Excuse my
  4131. 2:53:13 Unknown speaker language. I'm not threatening him,
  4132. 2:53:15 Unknown speaker but I can speak as I want to. That man
  4133. 2:53:18 Unknown speaker did not have any concern for my cousin's
  4134. 2:53:20 Unknown speaker life. As soon as he turned the corner
  4135. 2:53:22 Unknown speaker and seen that that little boy was black,
  4136. 2:53:24 Unknown speaker it was over. And I'm saying that from a
  4137. 2:53:27 Unknown speaker country who can watch a go
  4138. 2:53:29 Unknown speaker into a movie theater and shoot 80
  4139. 2:53:33 Unknown speaker people. No. No. No. that. You can
  4140. 2:53:36 Unknown speaker shoot 80 people and then you get taken
  4141. 2:53:38 Unknown speaker in alive. And this little boy who has
  4142. 2:53:41 Unknown speaker mental issues. Y'all came in and smoked
  4143. 2:53:44 Unknown speaker them. Not y'all. But y'all know what I'm
  4144. 2:53:46 Unknown speaker talking about. Okay. Something has to be
  4145. 2:53:50 Unknown speaker changed. Something has to be done.
  4146. 2:53:52 Unknown speaker Accountability has to be held.
  4147. 2:53:55 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4148. 2:53:56 Unknown speaker And I know everyone might not agree, and
  4149. 2:53:59 Unknown speaker I'm not against y'all. I'm not here for
  4150. 2:54:00 Unknown speaker y'all. I'm here for the person who's
  4151. 2:54:02 Unknown speaker responsible and accountable for this.
  4152. 2:54:04 Unknown speaker I'm here for the people responsible and
  4153. 2:54:06 Unknown speaker accountable for this.
  4154. 2:54:08 Unknown speaker All I All I got to say is that something
  4155. 2:54:12 Unknown speaker has to be done by y'all, by y'all law
  4156. 2:54:16 Unknown speaker enforcement, by law police, by the
  4157. 2:54:18 Unknown speaker mayor, by everyone. If not, something
  4158. 2:54:22 Unknown speaker going to be done by us.
  4159. 2:54:25 Unknown speaker Okay. [applause] Thank you. Um Brandon
  4160. 2:54:28 Unknown speaker Blair.
  4161. 2:54:32 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Um so this is final call
  4162. 2:54:36 Unknown speaker public invited to be heard. So if there
  4163. 2:54:37 Unknown speaker are any other members of the audience or
  4164. 2:54:39 Unknown speaker with you, you know, if you want to come
  4165. 2:54:41 Unknown speaker forward, um this typically how we do it
  4166. 2:54:43 Unknown speaker at this time. So anyone who wanted to
  4167. 2:54:45 Unknown speaker come forward,
  4168. 2:54:46 Unknown speaker I will come forward.
  4169. 2:54:47 Unknown speaker Yes. Please state your name.
  4170. 2:54:48 Unknown speaker My name Daniel Yerby. That's my little
  4171. 2:54:50 Unknown speaker boy. Yeah. Who is taken?
  4172. 2:54:54 Unknown speaker Yeah. And um the main question I want to
  4173. 2:54:56 Unknown speaker know is why what reason did that man
  4174. 2:54:59 Unknown speaker have to shoot that boy? Why he did it?
  4175. 2:55:02 Unknown speaker Why the officer he had the balls big
  4176. 2:55:05 Unknown speaker enough everybody else got the tasers.
  4177. 2:55:07 Unknown speaker His balls was big to say get back. I'm
  4178. 2:55:10 Unknown speaker going to kill this black boy. I'mma add
  4179. 2:55:12 Unknown speaker him to the list. And that don't make me
  4180. 2:55:14 Unknown speaker feel good. I got a lot of white people.
  4181. 2:55:17 Unknown speaker I ain't mad at y'all. I got a lot of
  4182. 2:55:19 Unknown speaker white people that's cool with me that
  4183. 2:55:20 Unknown speaker I'm peas and carries with. But I
  4184. 2:55:23 Unknown speaker consider some called red as in devil
  4185. 2:55:27 Unknown speaker worshippers or something. And I believe
  4186. 2:55:28 Unknown speaker he he consider that one. He ain't in the
  4187. 2:55:31 Unknown speaker right mind. He needed to go back to
  4188. 2:55:33 Unknown speaker class uh police class. Don't y'all teach
  4189. 2:55:36 Unknown speaker that and learn the right proper
  4190. 2:55:37 Unknown speaker procedures, man. He ain't follow no
  4191. 2:55:39 Unknown speaker right protocols for nothing. And this
  4192. 2:55:43 Unknown speaker long month police department, I'm not
  4193. 2:55:44 Unknown speaker pointing my fingers at y'all. Y'all
  4194. 2:55:46 Unknown speaker ahead of them. So y'all need to take
  4195. 2:55:48 Unknown speaker care of that. It'll be good. It make me
  4196. 2:55:50 Unknown speaker feel better. If y'all can do something
  4197. 2:55:52 Unknown speaker to help us with that, I'm out of that.
  4198. 2:55:54 Unknown speaker I'm out.
  4199. 2:55:56 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, do we have any other
  4200. 2:55:58 Unknown speaker members of the audience?
  4201. 2:56:00 Unknown speaker Okay. So,
  4202. 2:56:03 Unknown speaker um,
  4203. 2:56:04 Unknown speaker is there somebody else?
  4204. 2:56:06 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4205. 2:56:07 Unknown speaker Thank you. Yeah.
  4206. 2:56:09 Unknown speaker No, one
  4207. 2:56:10 Unknown speaker one more and then um
  4208. 2:56:14 Unknown speaker my name is Gentier Howard.
  4209. 2:56:15 Unknown speaker Uhhuh.
  4210. 2:56:19 Unknown speaker The police officers called peace
  4211. 2:56:20 Unknown speaker officers.
  4212. 2:56:22 Unknown speaker That's what y'all called as peace
  4213. 2:56:24 Unknown speaker officers.
  4214. 2:56:26 Unknown speaker The officer that was there, they they
  4215. 2:56:28 Unknown speaker showed peace.
  4216. 2:56:30 Unknown speaker They showed understanding, kindness,
  4217. 2:56:33 Unknown speaker but you had a long shark.
  4218. 2:56:38 Unknown speaker A long shark.
  4219. 2:56:40 Unknown speaker Imagine if that was y'all kid.
  4220. 2:56:43 Unknown speaker I want y'all to imagine a mental health
  4221. 2:56:45 Unknown speaker kid. Imagine his girlfriend
  4222. 2:56:49 Unknown speaker screaming at y'all. The so-called
  4223. 2:56:51 Unknown speaker victim.
  4224. 2:56:53 Unknown speaker The so-called victim
  4225. 2:56:56 Unknown speaker is telling y'all nothing is going on.
  4226. 2:56:58 Unknown speaker This man is
  4227. 2:57:03 Unknown speaker no weapon. The other officers right
  4228. 2:57:06 Unknown speaker there seen no weapon. They told him it
  4229. 2:57:08 Unknown speaker was no weapon.
  4230. 2:57:12 Unknown speaker They told him that.
  4231. 2:57:14 Unknown speaker Picture
  4232. 2:57:18 Unknown speaker if that was your kid though. Mental
  4233. 2:57:21 Unknown speaker health issues.
  4234. 2:57:24 Unknown speaker Picture that. Close your eyes and
  4235. 2:57:26 Unknown speaker picture that.
  4236. 2:57:28 Unknown speaker Mental health issues.
  4237. 2:57:30 Unknown speaker In that camera.
  4238. 2:57:32 Unknown speaker Mental health issues. Look at these
  4239. 2:57:34 Unknown speaker shirts. You don't see no blue rags, no
  4240. 2:57:37 Unknown speaker blood rags, no nothing. You see an
  4241. 2:57:40 Unknown speaker honorable student.
  4242. 2:57:42 Unknown speaker an honorable student
  4243. 2:57:45 Unknown speaker on this shirt.
  4244. 2:57:48 Unknown speaker Picture that that was your child. Y'all
  4245. 2:57:49 Unknown speaker proud. Y'all just got done talking about
  4246. 2:57:51 Unknown speaker domestic violence in here about y'all
  4247. 2:57:54 Unknown speaker community. Domestic violence. I heard
  4248. 2:57:56 Unknown speaker that. Y'all was stressing hard about
  4249. 2:57:59 Unknown speaker that. So that shows it's violence in
  4250. 2:58:00 Unknown speaker y'all community.
  4251. 2:58:02 Unknown speaker If y'all talking about that,
  4252. 2:58:05 Unknown speaker it's other issues you need to talk about
  4253. 2:58:07 Unknown speaker now.
  4254. 2:58:08 Unknown speaker Come on.
  4255. 2:58:09 Unknown speaker It's other issues you need to talk about
  4256. 2:58:11 Unknown speaker now. It's just not domestic violence.
  4257. 2:58:14 Unknown speaker It's about young kids that don't live in
  4258. 2:58:17 Unknown speaker Longmont.
  4259. 2:58:19 Unknown speaker We ain't exempt. He wasn't exempt.
  4260. 2:58:25 Unknown speaker He had mental ill problems, right? And
  4261. 2:58:27 Unknown speaker he still was in control of himself.
  4262. 2:58:34 Unknown speaker He didn't have a hostage.
  4263. 2:58:39 Unknown speaker He had a moment.
  4264. 2:58:41 Unknown speaker where he needed kindness.
  4265. 2:58:44 Unknown speaker He had a moment where the peace officer
  4266. 2:58:49 Unknown speaker where he learned his training should
  4267. 2:58:50 Unknown speaker have kicked in. The isolation should
  4268. 2:58:53 Unknown speaker have kicked in like the mother good
  4269. 2:58:56 Unknown speaker officers was doing. See, we're not
  4270. 2:58:58 Unknown speaker speaking bad about your officers, but
  4271. 2:59:00 Unknown speaker you got a rotten apple
  4272. 2:59:02 Unknown speaker and we asking y'all to fix that time.
  4273. 2:59:05 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um so I am going to use my
  4274. 2:59:10 Unknown speaker executive privilege to say something. Um
  4275. 2:59:13 Unknown speaker you know my son is diagnosed with autism
  4276. 2:59:15 Unknown speaker and schizophrenia. Um you know Mexican
  4277. 2:59:18 Unknown speaker family.
  4278. 2:59:20 Unknown speaker Um you yes we've experienced issues
  4279. 2:59:26 Unknown speaker going through through the years. Um so I
  4280. 2:59:30 Unknown speaker you know I want you to know that I and I
  4281. 2:59:33 Unknown speaker see all of us on council that we are
  4282. 2:59:35 Unknown speaker very compassionate. I mean looking at
  4283. 2:59:36 Unknown speaker all of our meetings, our retreats, our
  4284. 2:59:38 Unknown speaker outside discussions, it all revolves
  4285. 2:59:41 Unknown speaker around family and people struggling and
  4286. 2:59:45 Unknown speaker you know that is what I appreciate about
  4287. 2:59:46 Unknown speaker this council is that I'm be able to
  4288. 2:59:49 Unknown speaker share my experience and you know my own
  4289. 2:59:52 Unknown speaker son has taken out a knife on us and yes
  4290. 2:59:56 Unknown speaker I know that experience and I I I believe
  4291. 3:00:01 Unknown speaker we do have that commitment to to see
  4292. 3:00:04 Unknown speaker accountability look at due process
  4293. 3:00:08 Unknown speaker um and and have that on the forefront
  4294. 3:00:10 Unknown speaker and that you know that is our commitment
  4295. 3:00:11 Unknown speaker to the people of Longmont as well as to
  4296. 3:00:14 Unknown speaker our our staff to ensure you know that we
  4297. 3:00:17 Unknown speaker have accountability within our staff
  4298. 3:00:19 Unknown speaker because we do have very good staff
  4299. 3:00:21 Unknown speaker members who are comp who are
  4300. 3:00:22 Unknown speaker compassionate who do follow protocol and
  4301. 3:00:25 Unknown speaker you know we need to look at all you know
  4302. 3:00:27 Unknown speaker where where are these fractures we've
  4303. 3:00:30 Unknown speaker got work ahead of us and I admit that
  4304. 3:00:32 Unknown speaker and and we have a commitment to do that
  4305. 3:00:34 Unknown speaker for for Darius and for all of our kids
  4306. 3:00:37 Unknown speaker who who are struggling as [snorts]
  4307. 3:00:39 Unknown speaker adults as well. But um so so thank you.
  4308. 3:00:43 Unknown speaker Thank you for coming forward and yeah,
  4309. 3:00:45 Unknown speaker I'm glad that we moved you up.
  4310. 3:00:46 Unknown speaker You don't need to hear our budget. So
  4311. 3:00:48 Unknown speaker [laughter] thank you don't need to hear
  4312. 3:00:50 Unknown speaker the budget. So yes, of course.
  4313. 3:00:52 Unknown speaker Please don't let this family go on this
  4314. 3:00:54 Unknown speaker journey alone.
  4315. 3:00:55 Unknown speaker No, that's the bare minimum. Don't make
  4316. 3:00:57 Unknown speaker them go on this journey alone. Thank
  4317. 3:00:59 Unknown speaker you.
  4318. 3:01:00 Unknown speaker Thank you. Thank you.
  4319. 3:01:01 Unknown speaker With his mom.
  4320. 3:01:02 Unknown speaker Yeah. and your your your kids are very
  4321. 3:01:06 Unknown speaker well behaved. Your little ones. Oh my
  4322. 3:01:08 Unknown speaker gosh. Yes.
  4323. 3:01:09 Unknown speaker Just how Darius was raised. That is an
  4324. 3:01:11 Unknown speaker example of who Darius was. So, think
  4325. 3:01:14 Unknown speaker about that.
  4326. 3:01:14 Unknown speaker Yes.
  4327. 3:01:15 Unknown speaker Think about those kids and how young
  4328. 3:01:16 Unknown speaker they are and how they behaved and think
  4329. 3:01:18 Unknown speaker about how Darius was brought up.
  4330. 3:01:20 Unknown speaker Do we have other members of the public?
  4331. 3:01:22 Unknown speaker Because I am not going to open public
  4332. 3:01:24 Unknown speaker comment after this after the end of the
  4333. 3:01:27 Unknown speaker meeting. So, come on down.
  4334. 3:01:37 Unknown speaker Sorry, I was stalling. I didn't want to
  4335. 3:01:39 Unknown speaker break up something.
  4336. 3:01:40 Unknown speaker No. Yeah. No, I understand. That's why I
  4337. 3:01:42 Unknown speaker thought I'd open it up before.
  4338. 3:01:43 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, well, basically, um, I'm
  4339. 3:01:46 Unknown speaker retired now, but I did sell sites for 19
  4340. 3:01:48 Unknown speaker years, vice president with a company.
  4341. 3:01:50 Unknown speaker So, and I'm sorry. Can you state your
  4342. 3:01:51 Unknown speaker name?
  4343. 3:01:52 Unknown speaker Oh, yes. G Lindberg, 1121 Alderway.
  4344. 3:01:54 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4345. 3:01:56 Unknown speaker Yes. Okay. Go ahead.
  4346. 3:01:58 Unknown speaker So, anyhow, did sell sites for 19 years.
  4347. 3:02:00 Unknown speaker Well, I know basically everything about
  4348. 3:02:03 Unknown speaker him. Um, we had a conversation with a
  4349. 3:02:06 Unknown speaker Verizon representative
  4350. 3:02:08 Unknown speaker last week, I think it was,
  4351. 3:02:10 Unknown speaker and he said something about um, well,
  4352. 3:02:12 Unknown speaker the problem was when they started um,
  4353. 3:02:13 Unknown speaker they talked about the table um,
  4354. 3:02:18 Unknown speaker I forget what they call it, table
  4355. 3:02:20 Unknown speaker mountain area, table,
  4356. 3:02:21 Unknown speaker the research.
  4357. 3:02:22 Unknown speaker Um, anyhow, [snorts] they said something
  4358. 3:02:23 Unknown speaker about they had uptilted the antennas and
  4359. 3:02:26 Unknown speaker that caused the problem. I said, "Well,
  4360. 3:02:28 Unknown speaker that doesn't make sense. If their signal
  4361. 3:02:30 Unknown speaker is going too far, they down tilted an
  4362. 3:02:32 Unknown speaker antenna like when you build a cell site
  4363. 3:02:34 Unknown speaker and you have to shrink everything." Um,
  4364. 3:02:36 Unknown speaker but what does make sense is
  4365. 3:02:39 Unknown speaker they've [snorts] been doing 6G testing
  4366. 3:02:41 Unknown speaker out there supposedly and um selling that
  4367. 3:02:45 Unknown speaker bandwidth or something is a it's a big
  4368. 3:02:47 Unknown speaker deal. Um,
  4369. 3:02:50 Unknown speaker what I think has happened is they've got
  4370. 3:02:52 Unknown speaker they've got what they call notch filters
  4371. 3:02:54 Unknown speaker that go up on the towers and they have
  4372. 3:02:55 Unknown speaker transmit and receive and it tries to
  4373. 3:02:57 Unknown speaker keep it within a certain bandwidth. And
  4374. 3:02:59 Unknown speaker I think they have problems with 5G
  4375. 3:03:01 Unknown speaker bleeding over. But now you have 6G. So
  4376. 3:03:04 Unknown speaker now they're they didn't go through and
  4377. 3:03:07 Unknown speaker just all of a sudden say um, you guys
  4378. 3:03:10 Unknown speaker are, you know, set sending out too much
  4379. 3:03:11 Unknown speaker RF or something. um they would have had
  4380. 3:03:14 Unknown speaker problems with that when they had all
  4381. 3:03:15 Unknown speaker their big telescopes and stuff out there
  4382. 3:03:18 Unknown speaker going on already happened when 6G
  4383. 3:03:20 Unknown speaker started. So I think it's really
  4384. 3:03:22 Unknown speaker something related with that. But the
  4385. 3:03:24 Unknown speaker problem is they want to sell the 6G
  4386. 3:03:26 Unknown speaker bandwidth and if 5G is interfering with
  4387. 3:03:29 Unknown speaker it, let's just go ahead and do 6G.
  4388. 3:03:31 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  4389. 3:03:32 Unknown speaker I just I've seen this kind of stuff
  4390. 3:03:34 Unknown speaker before. Um
  4391. 3:03:36 Unknown speaker they need to fix the 5G problem. Maybe
  4392. 3:03:39 Unknown speaker they need to have better notch filters
  4393. 3:03:41 Unknown speaker or something or change something on the
  4394. 3:03:43 Unknown speaker antennas or they actually had stuff that
  4395. 3:03:45 Unknown speaker they called PIM testing before passive
  4396. 3:03:47 Unknown speaker inter modulation. And we would have
  4397. 3:03:50 Unknown speaker things where you'd find the smallest
  4398. 3:03:51 Unknown speaker dent in coax or something and it would
  4399. 3:03:53 Unknown speaker repeat signals. It would appear it was
  4400. 3:03:56 Unknown speaker like throwing a pebble on a lake or
  4401. 3:03:58 Unknown speaker something or a on a lake and sitting
  4402. 3:04:00 Unknown speaker watching it bounce. You'd see it ripple
  4403. 3:04:02 Unknown speaker all the way through there into the
  4404. 3:04:03 Unknown speaker different frequencies. Um,
  4405. 3:04:06 Unknown speaker so I I think it's really more of a 6G
  4406. 3:04:09 Unknown speaker problem. It's not the 5G and they need
  4407. 3:04:11 Unknown speaker to figure out their frequencies. So just
  4408. 3:04:14 Unknown speaker FYI.
  4409. 3:04:15 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  4410. 3:04:16 Unknown speaker Thanks. I'll look into that. And you
  4411. 3:04:18 Unknown speaker said you had documents for us. If you
  4412. 3:04:19 Unknown speaker could leave those with the city city
  4413. 3:04:22 Unknown speaker clerk, but the first one.
  4414. 3:04:24 Unknown speaker No worries. Thank you.
  4415. 3:04:26 Unknown speaker Okay. Anyone else in the audience before
  4416. 3:04:29 Unknown speaker I close? Final call. Public invited to
  4417. 3:04:31 Unknown speaker be heard. So seeing no one else, I will
  4418. 3:04:33 Unknown speaker now close. Public invited to be heard
  4419. 3:04:35 Unknown speaker and this is the final call. U we are now
  4420. 3:04:38 Unknown speaker on to item 11, items removed from
  4421. 3:04:40 Unknown speaker consent agenda.
  4422. 3:04:44 Unknown speaker Um who pulled that one ages ago. Let's
  4423. 3:04:48 Unknown speaker see. Item E, I believe, um ordinance
  4424. 3:04:52 Unknown speaker 2026-69.
  4425. 3:04:54 Unknown speaker And that was pulled by council member
  4426. 3:04:56 Unknown speaker McCoy.
  4427. 3:04:57 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor.
  4428. 3:04:58 Unknown speaker Yeah. Um, I just uh want folks know that
  4429. 3:05:02 Unknown speaker I'll be voting against this because I
  4430. 3:05:04 Unknown speaker think it's a bad idea to have 44 housing
  4431. 3:05:06 Unknown speaker units in this area of town. I believe
  4432. 3:05:09 Unknown speaker that the annexation is not compatible
  4433. 3:05:11 Unknown speaker with the surrounding neighborhood. And
  4434. 3:05:14 Unknown speaker uh if it changes if uh changes are not
  4435. 3:05:17 Unknown speaker made to the traffic uh pattern design as
  4436. 3:05:20 Unknown speaker well as the density of housing units uh
  4437. 3:05:23 Unknown speaker uh that are being proposed, I encouraged
  4438. 3:05:26 Unknown speaker the rusty to join with me. I don't think
  4439. 3:05:29 Unknown speaker it's uh exactly the right thing to have
  4440. 3:05:31 Unknown speaker uh uh people's time wasted, developers
  4441. 3:05:35 Unknown speaker or whatnot. So, I think it's one of
  4442. 3:05:38 Unknown speaker those situations [clears throat] where
  4443. 3:05:39 Unknown speaker we should deny it.
  4444. 3:05:41 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4445. 3:05:41 Unknown speaker And get a better
  4446. 3:05:43 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  4447. 3:05:43 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4448. 3:05:44 Unknown speaker product.
  4449. 3:05:44 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Koffer.
  4450. 3:05:47 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh could have used a
  4451. 3:05:49 Unknown speaker break, but we'll we'll plow on through.
  4452. 3:05:51 Unknown speaker All right. Um so, I have two uh narrowly
  4453. 3:05:53 Unknown speaker tailored conditions for this annexation.
  4454. 3:05:56 Unknown speaker One addresses neighborhood traffic
  4455. 3:05:58 Unknown speaker impacts at the plan ch champion greens
  4456. 3:06:00 Unknown speaker connections and the other to address or
  4457. 3:06:02 Unknown speaker and the other address fire safety. Uh
  4458. 3:06:04 Unknown speaker both leave a tech technical
  4459. 3:06:06 Unknown speaker determinations with the city
  4460. 3:06:07 Unknown speaker professional staff and establishes clear
  4461. 3:06:09 Unknown speaker obligations. So I'm going to throw a
  4462. 3:06:11 Unknown speaker motion out if that's okay. Um so for the
  4463. 3:06:15 Unknown speaker fire condition, I move to amend
  4464. 3:06:16 Unknown speaker ordinance 02026-69
  4465. 3:06:18 Unknown speaker by adding the following conditions to
  4466. 3:06:20 Unknown speaker the approval of the 8513 St. Crane Road
  4467. 3:06:24 Unknown speaker annexation and concept plan. The owner
  4468. 3:06:27 Unknown speaker shall by May 1st, 2027 remove or
  4469. 3:06:29 Unknown speaker mitigate fuel,
  4470. 3:06:31 Unknown speaker sorry, one
  4471. 3:06:34 Unknown speaker okay or mitigate fuel uh loads and
  4472. 3:06:36 Unknown speaker hazardous vegetation on the property
  4473. 3:06:38 Unknown speaker identified by the Longmont Fire
  4474. 3:06:39 Unknown speaker Department and fire uh city foresters
  4475. 3:06:42 Unknown speaker subject to applicable environmental
  4476. 3:06:44 Unknown speaker nesting season and permitting
  4477. 3:06:46 Unknown speaker requirements.
  4478. 3:06:48 Unknown speaker And I'll
  4479. 3:06:49 Unknown speaker Okay. Um I will second that.
  4480. 3:06:53 Unknown speaker And the motion was made by council
  4481. 3:06:56 Unknown speaker member Koffer to amend ordinance 2026-69
  4482. 3:07:02 Unknown speaker by adding the following conditions to
  4483. 3:07:03 Unknown speaker the approval of 8513 St. Brain Road
  4484. 3:07:06 Unknown speaker annexation and concept plan that the
  4485. 3:07:08 Unknown speaker owner shall by May 1st, 2027 remove or
  4486. 3:07:12 Unknown speaker mitigate fuel loads and hazardous
  4487. 3:07:14 Unknown speaker vegetation on the property identified by
  4488. 3:07:17 Unknown speaker the Longmont Fire Department and the
  4489. 3:07:19 Unknown speaker city forester subject to applicable
  4490. 3:07:22 Unknown speaker applicable environmental nesting season
  4491. 3:07:25 Unknown speaker and permitting requirements. And I
  4492. 3:07:27 Unknown speaker seconded that. Do we have any um
  4493. 3:07:30 Unknown speaker comments or did you want to
  4494. 3:07:32 Unknown speaker Yeah, I'll I'll talk about it. So, we
  4495. 3:07:34 Unknown speaker heard a lot from the residents about
  4496. 3:07:36 Unknown speaker their concerns about this site um where
  4497. 3:07:38 Unknown speaker there's a lot of fire um danger. Um so,
  4498. 3:07:42 Unknown speaker with this annexation, I do believe it
  4499. 3:07:44 Unknown speaker improves the site so it's more resilient
  4500. 3:07:46 Unknown speaker for future needs. And having this
  4501. 3:07:49 Unknown speaker condition um helps move this sooner than
  4502. 3:07:52 Unknown speaker later um just to make sure, you know,
  4503. 3:07:54 Unknown speaker development process does take a long
  4504. 3:07:56 Unknown speaker time. And by having this um come up
  4505. 3:07:59 Unknown speaker before the fire season, it does um
  4506. 3:08:02 Unknown speaker address some of the concerns that the
  4507. 3:08:03 Unknown speaker neighbors have been uh concerned about.
  4508. 3:08:05 Unknown speaker And then I do have another amendment
  4509. 3:08:07 Unknown speaker that speaks about something else about
  4510. 3:08:08 Unknown speaker traffic. We'll
  4511. 3:08:09 Unknown speaker get to that when we Okay, so we are just
  4512. 3:08:12 Unknown speaker voting on the amendment, not the
  4513. 3:08:14 Unknown speaker ordinance itself, but to to change the
  4514. 3:08:17 Unknown speaker um
  4515. 3:08:18 Unknown speaker ordinance. Um Council Member uh Popkin.
  4516. 3:08:22 Unknown speaker Uh thank you mayor and thank you council
  4517. 3:08:24 Unknown speaker member [clears throat] Kuffer for
  4518. 3:08:26 Unknown speaker proposing this. Um just a quick question
  4519. 3:08:28 Unknown speaker for staff on this in the the journey of
  4520. 3:08:32 Unknown speaker the development process overall. I'm
  4521. 3:08:34 Unknown speaker sure site clearing and site preparation
  4522. 3:08:36 Unknown speaker is is a normal fact of that journey. Um
  4523. 3:08:40 Unknown speaker could you speak to a little bit of kind
  4524. 3:08:42 Unknown speaker of like when that would normally happen
  4525. 3:08:43 Unknown speaker or wouldn't nearly happen if there
  4526. 3:08:45 Unknown speaker wasn't a condition like this?
  4527. 3:08:47 Unknown speaker Well, site clearing. Oh, and I'm Kristen
  4528. 3:08:49 Unknown speaker Cody, a senior planner in planning and
  4529. 3:08:51 Unknown speaker development services. Thank you, mayor
  4530. 3:08:53 Unknown speaker and councel. So, typically um debris of
  4531. 3:08:58 Unknown speaker flammable nature is handled by our code
  4532. 3:09:00 Unknown speaker enforcement department
  4533. 3:09:01 Unknown speaker and um handled as it becomes aware to
  4534. 3:09:05 Unknown speaker the city or the individual property
  4535. 3:09:08 Unknown speaker owner. In this instance, there is a bit
  4536. 3:09:10 Unknown speaker of confusion because there is a strip of
  4537. 3:09:13 Unknown speaker land that is involved in this
  4538. 3:09:14 Unknown speaker development but not the annexation which
  4539. 3:09:16 Unknown speaker was previously um annexed. It's outlaw
  4540. 3:09:19 Unknown speaker eye which is within the jurisdiction of
  4541. 3:09:21 Unknown speaker the city of Longmont and the remainder
  4542. 3:09:23 Unknown speaker of the site obviously is in the
  4543. 3:09:25 Unknown speaker jurisdiction of Boulder County. So,
  4544. 3:09:28 Unknown speaker there was a violation order filed in
  4545. 3:09:30 Unknown speaker Boulder County with their code
  4546. 3:09:31 Unknown speaker enforcement and the um developer and the
  4547. 3:09:34 Unknown speaker property owner worked with Boulder
  4548. 3:09:36 Unknown speaker County and I was sent information that
  4549. 3:09:38 Unknown speaker that um violation was cleared I believe
  4550. 3:09:42 Unknown speaker midepptember and I know the violation
  4551. 3:09:44 Unknown speaker that was open [clears throat]
  4552. 3:09:47 Unknown speaker in reference to outlaw eye was closed in
  4553. 3:09:50 Unknown speaker the city of Longmont I believe August
  4554. 3:09:52 Unknown speaker 12th. So that is where the site is at
  4555. 3:09:56 Unknown speaker currently. Um as far as ongoing
  4556. 3:10:00 Unknown speaker maintenance, that is obviously a huge
  4557. 3:10:02 Unknown speaker concern and something that the developer
  4558. 3:10:05 Unknown speaker is very well aware of and very um happy
  4559. 3:10:09 Unknown speaker to accommodate.
  4560. 3:10:12 Unknown speaker So I'm not sure that we answered your
  4561. 3:10:13 Unknown speaker question. So your question was at what
  4562. 3:10:15 Unknown speaker point does site clearing normally occur
  4563. 3:10:18 Unknown speaker in a development? Yeah, she answered a
  4564. 3:10:19 Unknown speaker little bit more than what what I was I
  4565. 3:10:21 Unknown speaker mean I I mean beyond where I was going
  4566. 3:10:23 Unknown speaker with that, but yes, at what point
  4567. 3:10:24 Unknown speaker normally would this happen if there
  4568. 3:10:25 Unknown speaker wasn't a condition like this?
  4569. 3:10:27 Unknown speaker Typically, it would occur once the site
  4570. 3:10:29 Unknown speaker plan um was approved and the developer
  4571. 3:10:32 Unknown speaker was going forward to begin clearing the
  4572. 3:10:36 Unknown speaker site for physical construction.
  4573. 3:10:37 Unknown speaker Gotcha. Thank you. And mayor, do you
  4574. 3:10:39 Unknown speaker have any objection if I ask the
  4575. 3:10:40 Unknown speaker developer one question on this or the
  4576. 3:10:42 Unknown speaker applicant on this?
  4577. 3:10:45 Unknown speaker I'm thinking about it. Um yeah, that's
  4578. 3:10:47 Unknown speaker fine.
  4579. 3:10:48 Unknown speaker Thank you. Just a quick question for the
  4580. 3:10:49 Unknown speaker applicant on this. Um,
  4581. 3:10:52 Unknown speaker while you're walking up, I I just
  4582. 3:10:53 Unknown speaker generally want to know kind of your
  4583. 3:10:55 Unknown speaker thought process on this, if this
  4584. 3:10:56 Unknown speaker presents any concerns for you.
  4585. 3:10:59 Unknown speaker Excuse [clears throat] me, mayor,
  4586. 3:11:01 Unknown speaker members of the council, Jack Bestl, uh,
  4587. 3:11:03 Unknown speaker excuse me, uh, representing the owner.
  4588. 3:11:07 Unknown speaker Um,
  4589. 3:11:09 Unknown speaker yes and no. I think it's the date is a
  4590. 3:11:12 Unknown speaker little quick. We had we initially had
  4591. 3:11:16 Unknown speaker 576 trees on the site that were planted
  4592. 3:11:19 Unknown speaker over about 35 years. And so we you know
  4593. 3:11:22 Unknown speaker but I think that our intention is to if
  4594. 3:11:25 Unknown speaker it's annexed is to roll into it and to
  4595. 3:11:29 Unknown speaker uh deal with it. In fact, I'm I'm
  4596. 3:11:31 Unknown speaker meeting with the city zoning enforcement
  4597. 3:11:34 Unknown speaker and arborist tomorrow. We did our survey
  4598. 3:11:37 Unknown speaker with the arborist over the shoulder. So
  4599. 3:11:40 Unknown speaker some trees are marked for for taking
  4600. 3:11:43 Unknown speaker them down and others would if if they're
  4601. 3:11:45 Unknown speaker native or in good shape, we would keep
  4602. 3:11:48 Unknown speaker them. So the it's it's more complicated
  4603. 3:11:51 Unknown speaker than just setting a date would be my
  4604. 3:11:53 Unknown speaker only comment. I'd rather see it done in
  4605. 3:11:55 Unknown speaker phases and maybe it would go beyond May.
  4606. 3:11:58 Unknown speaker I'm not sure you can target May as a
  4607. 3:12:00 Unknown speaker fire as a fire point simply because we
  4608. 3:12:04 Unknown speaker seem to be continuously
  4609. 3:12:07 Unknown speaker dry, but that's our concern as well.
  4610. 3:12:10 Unknown speaker Sure. Thank you. I I do take uh I
  4611. 3:12:12 Unknown speaker appreciate that perspective. Um Mr.
  4612. 3:12:14 Unknown speaker Bestall, I I do appreciate um Council
  4613. 3:12:16 Unknown speaker Member Kuffer including the language
  4614. 3:12:18 Unknown speaker specifically, if I'm recalling reading
  4615. 3:12:20 Unknown speaker correctly, remove or mitigate fuel loads
  4616. 3:12:22 Unknown speaker and hazardous vegetation. Um I I maybe
  4617. 3:12:25 Unknown speaker you could speak a little bit to your
  4618. 3:12:26 Unknown speaker intent with that, too. Thank you.
  4619. 3:12:28 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4620. 3:12:30 Unknown speaker And this would be your second time.
  4621. 3:12:33 Unknown speaker Careful.
  4622. 3:12:33 Unknown speaker So, get it all out.
  4623. 3:12:34 Unknown speaker Yeah, no problem. Um, so the intent of
  4624. 3:12:36 Unknown speaker this is anything that is dead or dying
  4625. 3:12:40 Unknown speaker is to be removed. Anything that is not
  4626. 3:12:41 Unknown speaker dead or dying and it's not a fuel risk,
  4627. 3:12:44 Unknown speaker then it can stay until you're you're
  4628. 3:12:46 Unknown speaker ready for it to be uh completely
  4629. 3:12:48 Unknown speaker cleared. But there's a lot of
  4630. 3:12:50 Unknown speaker vegetation. There's also a lot of um
  4631. 3:12:52 Unknown speaker wood chips that are on the property that
  4632. 3:12:53 Unknown speaker could be a fire danger. and I to satisfy
  4633. 3:12:58 Unknown speaker some of the the concerns that the
  4634. 3:12:59 Unknown speaker neighbors have uh sooner than later, I'
  4635. 3:13:02 Unknown speaker I'd like that to be um addressed. You
  4636. 3:13:04 Unknown speaker know, if there's a full plan on second
  4637. 3:13:06 Unknown speaker reading and you and the arborist have a
  4638. 3:13:08 Unknown speaker different date, then you know, I'm open
  4639. 3:13:09 Unknown speaker to changing that date as well on second
  4640. 3:13:11 Unknown speaker reading.
  4641. 3:13:11 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. So, seeing no one else
  4642. 3:13:14 Unknown speaker in the queue, let's go ahead and vote on
  4643. 3:13:16 Unknown speaker this amendment.
  4644. 3:13:24 Unknown speaker Okay. And that um item car or that
  4645. 3:13:27 Unknown speaker motion uh to amend carries 5 to2 with
  4646. 3:13:30 Unknown speaker council members Marcen and Prito in
  4647. 3:13:32 Unknown speaker opposition. And um we had a second
  4648. 3:13:37 Unknown speaker amendment. Correct. Okay.
  4649. 3:13:40 Unknown speaker Go ahead.
  4650. 3:13:41 Unknown speaker Okay. So I move to amend ordinance
  4651. 3:13:42 Unknown speaker 02026-69
  4652. 3:13:46 Unknown speaker by adding the following conditions to
  4653. 3:13:48 Unknown speaker the approval of 8513 St. Frame Road
  4654. 3:13:51 Unknown speaker annexation and concept plan. Before plat
  4655. 3:13:53 Unknown speaker approval, the owner shall submit for
  4656. 3:13:55 Unknown speaker city engineer approval for traffic
  4657. 3:13:57 Unknown speaker calming and neighborhood protection plan
  4658. 3:13:58 Unknown speaker for the Durell Drive and Champion Greens
  4659. 3:14:01 Unknown speaker connections. This plan must include
  4660. 3:14:03 Unknown speaker measures to reduce project related
  4661. 3:14:05 Unknown speaker speeding and discourage non-local
  4662. 3:14:07 Unknown speaker cutthrough traffic through Champion
  4663. 3:14:08 Unknown speaker Greens while preserving emergency
  4664. 3:14:10 Unknown speaker access.
  4665. 3:14:11 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4666. 3:14:14 Unknown speaker Okay. And so the motion was made by
  4667. 3:14:16 Unknown speaker council member Koffer to amend ordinance
  4668. 3:14:18 Unknown speaker 2026-69
  4669. 3:14:20 Unknown speaker by adding the following conditions to
  4670. 3:14:21 Unknown speaker the approval of the 8513 St. Brain Road
  4671. 3:14:25 Unknown speaker annexation and concept plan before platt
  4672. 3:14:28 Unknown speaker approval. The owner shall submit the
  4673. 3:14:30 Unknown speaker city engineer approval for city engineer
  4674. 3:14:33 Unknown speaker approval a traffic calming and
  4675. 3:14:36 Unknown speaker neighborhood protection plan for the
  4676. 3:14:38 Unknown speaker Doral Drive and Champion Green
  4677. 3:14:40 Unknown speaker connections. The plan must include
  4678. 3:14:42 Unknown speaker measures to reduce project related speed
  4679. 3:14:45 Unknown speaker and discourage non-local cutth through
  4680. 3:14:47 Unknown speaker traffic through Champion Grees while
  4681. 3:14:49 Unknown speaker preserving emergency access. And that um
  4682. 3:14:52 Unknown speaker motion was seconded by council member
  4683. 3:14:54 Unknown speaker Christ. Okay. Do we have any um
  4684. 3:14:59 Unknown speaker concerns, questions or thoughts? I guess
  4685. 3:15:02 Unknown speaker council me or mayor prom.
  4686. 3:15:04 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. I I really do
  4687. 3:15:07 Unknown speaker appreciate this and I'll support this
  4688. 3:15:08 Unknown speaker just because I want to see I know I'll
  4689. 3:15:11 Unknown speaker probably be in the minority when the
  4690. 3:15:13 Unknown speaker actual uh ordinance comes out, but I I
  4691. 3:15:16 Unknown speaker at least will hopefully have some sort
  4692. 3:15:19 Unknown speaker of
  4693. 3:15:19 Unknown speaker in the right direction.
  4694. 3:15:20 Unknown speaker At least it's going in a direction.
  4695. 3:15:23 Unknown speaker Very good.
  4696. 3:15:24 Unknown speaker Maybe the right direction.
  4697. 3:15:25 Unknown speaker Hopefully. So, thank you. Um Council
  4698. 3:15:26 Unknown speaker Member Popkin.
  4699. 3:15:27 Unknown speaker Uh thank you. Just a quick clarifying
  4700. 3:15:29 Unknown speaker question for Council Member Koffer on
  4701. 3:15:31 Unknown speaker this. Um appreciate the spirit and
  4702. 3:15:33 Unknown speaker intent of this. Um, could you clarify
  4703. 3:15:36 Unknown speaker what you mean by a neighborhood
  4704. 3:15:38 Unknown speaker protection plan? That's not a term I
  4705. 3:15:40 Unknown speaker have seen before in our code or on the
  4706. 3:15:42 Unknown speaker transportation advisory board.
  4707. 3:15:44 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4708. 3:15:44 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  4709. 3:15:45 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, council member Kopper.
  4710. 3:15:48 Unknown speaker No,
  4711. 3:15:48 Unknown speaker I appreciate that. I left it vague
  4712. 3:15:49 Unknown speaker because I wanted the transportation
  4713. 3:15:51 Unknown speaker department to come back with plans uh
  4714. 3:15:53 Unknown speaker similar to what we did uh with the other
  4715. 3:15:54 Unknown speaker annexation where I don't want to say
  4716. 3:15:57 Unknown speaker what they should be doing uh but come up
  4717. 3:15:59 Unknown speaker with some creative ideas to help the the
  4718. 3:16:01 Unknown speaker residents of the established
  4719. 3:16:02 Unknown speaker neighborhood. Um, yes, this plot was
  4720. 3:16:04 Unknown speaker always uh intended to be annexed in.
  4721. 3:16:07 Unknown speaker There was a there's a road that jets
  4722. 3:16:09 Unknown speaker into it. Uh, but the neighbors have
  4723. 3:16:11 Unknown speaker lived there for a long time and similar
  4724. 3:16:12 Unknown speaker to what we've heard from public comment
  4725. 3:16:14 Unknown speaker earlier today, a lot of the residents
  4726. 3:16:15 Unknown speaker from the other annexation appreciated us
  4727. 3:16:18 Unknown speaker using whatever tools available um to
  4728. 3:16:20 Unknown speaker help them address some of the additional
  4729. 3:16:23 Unknown speaker driving burden that might come with this
  4730. 3:16:26 Unknown speaker additional housing next door.
  4731. 3:16:28 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you. Um, let's go
  4732. 3:16:30 Unknown speaker ahead. I don't see anyone else in the
  4733. 3:16:32 Unknown speaker queue, so let's go ahead. Okay.
  4734. 3:16:34 Unknown speaker Sorry.
  4735. 3:16:34 Unknown speaker Now, this is your second time.
  4736. 3:16:36 Unknown speaker It is my second time.
  4737. 3:16:38 Unknown speaker And I'm gonna Yeah, I'm gonna time you
  4738. 3:16:40 Unknown speaker like
  4739. 3:16:41 Unknown speaker I'm good.
  4740. 3:16:42 Unknown speaker Okay. So, you're on the clock. Go ahead.
  4741. 3:16:44 Unknown speaker I'm on the clock.
  4742. 3:16:45 Unknown speaker I think I I I see where you're going
  4743. 3:16:48 Unknown speaker with this, but I also see that there's a
  4744. 3:16:50 Unknown speaker greater issue down the the way there at
  4745. 3:16:53 Unknown speaker the Greens entrance there. And I've
  4746. 3:16:55 Unknown speaker often said that what needs to happen
  4747. 3:16:57 Unknown speaker there is a uh roundabout because what
  4748. 3:17:01 Unknown speaker will happen is is that people will come
  4749. 3:17:04 Unknown speaker out of that right turn with the
  4750. 3:17:06 Unknown speaker intention of going left at some point.
  4751. 3:17:09 Unknown speaker And if you don't have the roundabout
  4752. 3:17:11 Unknown speaker there, they're going to go up to
  4753. 3:17:12 Unknown speaker Mountain View. And that's already very
  4754. 3:17:15 Unknown speaker congested uh and and kind of a wonky
  4755. 3:17:19 Unknown speaker sort of light uh with the uh all the
  4756. 3:17:22 Unknown speaker kids coming out and parents coming out
  4757. 3:17:24 Unknown speaker of the school there. Uh, and so I I
  4758. 3:17:28 Unknown speaker would hope that that would be part of
  4759. 3:17:29 Unknown speaker the big picture because I I almost think
  4760. 3:17:33 Unknown speaker that that has to happen so that these
  4761. 3:17:35 Unknown speaker neighborhoods aren't getting cut off and
  4762. 3:17:37 Unknown speaker also
  4763. 3:17:38 Unknown speaker uh that people aren't going up to the
  4764. 3:17:41 Unknown speaker light to take that left turn using the
  4765. 3:17:44 Unknown speaker roundabout in a more effective way.
  4766. 3:17:46 Unknown speaker Okay,
  4767. 3:17:47 Unknown speaker just at the greens. So,
  4768. 3:17:48 Unknown speaker thank you. Okay, seeing no one else in
  4769. 3:17:50 Unknown speaker the queue, let's go ahead and vote on
  4770. 3:17:51 Unknown speaker this amendment.
  4771. 3:18:00 Unknown speaker Okay. And that item carries unanimously.
  4772. 3:18:02 Unknown speaker We are now on to the main um ordinance.
  4773. 3:18:06 Unknown speaker The main motion as amended. Um do I have
  4774. 3:18:09 Unknown speaker a motion to approve? Go ahead, Council
  4775. 3:18:12 Unknown speaker Member Coloffer.
  4776. 3:18:13 Unknown speaker I move that we approve ordinance 2026-69
  4777. 3:18:17 Unknown speaker as amended.
  4778. 3:18:18 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made by
  4779. 3:18:20 Unknown speaker Council Member Kulkoffer to approve
  4780. 3:18:22 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-69
  4781. 3:18:24 Unknown speaker as amended. And the item was seconded by
  4782. 3:18:28 Unknown speaker um Council Member Marcy.
  4783. 3:18:31 Unknown speaker Okay, seeing no one in the queue, let's
  4784. 3:18:33 Unknown speaker go ahead and vote on this.
  4785. 3:18:37 Unknown speaker Okay, and that carries 6 to1 with
  4786. 3:18:39 Unknown speaker Council Member McCoy in opposition. Um,
  4787. 3:18:42 Unknown speaker we now are on to item I, which is
  4788. 3:18:45 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-73,
  4789. 3:18:47 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance approving the
  4790. 3:18:49 Unknown speaker concept plan amendment for a portion of
  4791. 3:18:51 Unknown speaker Walmart retail center. Uh, that was
  4792. 3:18:54 Unknown speaker pulled by um, council member Marcy.
  4793. 3:18:58 Unknown speaker Yes. Um, go ahead.
  4794. 3:19:00 Unknown speaker Thank you so much, Mayor. Um I I am
  4795. 3:19:02 Unknown speaker trying to separate kind of my my policy
  4796. 3:19:04 Unknown speaker preferences on this from the review
  4797. 3:19:06 Unknown speaker criteria a little bit because in talking
  4798. 3:19:08 Unknown speaker with city attorney there is a quasi
  4799. 3:19:09 Unknown speaker judicial element here that we're just
  4800. 3:19:11 Unknown speaker trying to be careful about. But um my
  4801. 3:19:13 Unknown speaker concern really is not simply that this
  4802. 3:19:16 Unknown speaker adds housing. My concern is that the
  4803. 3:19:18 Unknown speaker regional center framework really
  4804. 3:19:20 Unknown speaker identifies commercial and regional
  4805. 3:19:21 Unknown speaker serving uses as primary. Right? So this
  4806. 3:19:23 Unknown speaker is secondary use dramatically being
  4807. 3:19:25 Unknown speaker expanded in the process. So, I need to
  4808. 3:19:27 Unknown speaker understand a little bit more about the
  4809. 3:19:28 Unknown speaker balance and why that still satisfies the
  4810. 3:19:31 Unknown speaker designation and like what authority we
  4811. 3:19:33 Unknown speaker have as a council to if we believe that
  4812. 3:19:36 Unknown speaker that proposed mix goes too far.
  4813. 3:19:41 Unknown speaker Kristen Cody, senior planner, planning
  4814. 3:19:43 Unknown speaker and development services. I will address
  4815. 3:19:45 Unknown speaker that question for you. Um, so the
  4816. 3:19:48 Unknown speaker property is zone mixeduse regional
  4817. 3:19:50 Unknown speaker center. mixeduse regional center in
  4818. 3:19:52 Unknown speaker accordance with Longmont Development
  4819. 3:19:54 Unknown speaker Code requires a minimum of 18 dwelling
  4820. 3:19:57 Unknown speaker units per acre without a maximum
  4821. 3:20:00 Unknown speaker um included. The development proposes a
  4822. 3:20:04 Unknown speaker range of 18 to 35 de development units
  4823. 3:20:07 Unknown speaker per acre in to be compatible with the
  4824. 3:20:10 Unknown speaker adjacent um Copper Peaks apartment which
  4825. 3:20:13 Unknown speaker is developed at 18 to 35 development
  4826. 3:20:16 Unknown speaker units per acre. This concept plan does
  4827. 3:20:20 Unknown speaker not propose any exceptions to standards
  4828. 3:20:23 Unknown speaker and does propose to
  4829. 3:20:25 Unknown speaker develop within the code standards as
  4830. 3:20:28 Unknown speaker well as the mixeduse regional center
  4831. 3:20:30 Unknown speaker standards. As far as the mix, we do have
  4832. 3:20:34 Unknown speaker the um developer here this evening. they
  4833. 3:20:37 Unknown speaker could probably go a little bit deeper
  4834. 3:20:39 Unknown speaker into the theory and thoughts that went
  4835. 3:20:42 Unknown speaker into developing the um the high
  4836. 3:20:45 Unknown speaker residential um density in this area.
  4837. 3:20:50 Unknown speaker Mayor, if you're comfortable with that,
  4838. 3:20:51 Unknown speaker I would appreciate to I would appreciate
  4839. 3:20:53 Unknown speaker that if if I don't need a full
  4840. 3:20:54 Unknown speaker presentation necessarily, but if if the
  4841. 3:20:56 Unknown speaker um
  4842. 3:20:57 Unknown speaker you can go in semideepth. Yeah, come on
  4843. 3:20:59 Unknown speaker down to
  4844. 3:21:00 Unknown speaker Yeah, we're all a little wiped out after
  4845. 3:21:03 Unknown speaker shallow. Just go. Thank you for staying
  4846. 3:21:06 Unknown speaker late and I understand how hard it is to
  4847. 3:21:07 Unknown speaker get your head back into development
  4848. 3:21:09 Unknown speaker after such a heavy topic that we saw
  4849. 3:21:12 Unknown speaker earlier. So happy to answer some
  4850. 3:21:14 Unknown speaker questions. You know, I I will leave it
  4851. 3:21:15 Unknown speaker to Kristen to talk about kind of what
  4852. 3:21:17 Unknown speaker the stipulations in the code are and
  4853. 3:21:19 Unknown speaker what um rights council has. You know,
  4854. 3:21:22 Unknown speaker within the mixeduse regional center, a
  4855. 3:21:25 Unknown speaker secondary use cannot be more than 50% of
  4856. 3:21:27 Unknown speaker the land area. So you have Walmart, the
  4857. 3:21:31 Unknown speaker retail pads fronting it, the Copper Peak
  4858. 3:21:34 Unknown speaker development and notch 66 behind it. Uh
  4859. 3:21:37 Unknown speaker the development that we're proposing
  4860. 3:21:39 Unknown speaker stays under that 50% um limit. So it it
  4861. 3:21:43 Unknown speaker is within the code. There's no request
  4862. 3:21:45 Unknown speaker for a variance. So, the site does
  4863. 3:21:48 Unknown speaker include um continue to have some retail
  4864. 3:21:51 Unknown speaker commercial on the corner of um
  4865. 3:21:54 Unknown speaker Pineriidge and 287 and then we will have
  4866. 3:21:57 Unknown speaker 4 acres of the RTD park and ride on the
  4867. 3:22:00 Unknown speaker north side. Um, as far as the decision
  4868. 3:22:03 Unknown speaker to move away from retail into housing,
  4869. 3:22:07 Unknown speaker um, you know, we did a market study and
  4870. 3:22:10 Unknown speaker looked at the amount of retail available
  4871. 3:22:12 Unknown speaker in Northern Longmont and there in this
  4872. 3:22:16 Unknown speaker area are significant retail developments
  4873. 3:22:19 Unknown speaker that still do have uh, vacancy and have
  4874. 3:22:21 Unknown speaker had prolonged vacancy. and we talked to
  4875. 3:22:24 Unknown speaker a retail broker and there were no major
  4876. 3:22:28 Unknown speaker categories that were missing from the
  4877. 3:22:30 Unknown speaker northern Longmont trade area in terms of
  4878. 3:22:33 Unknown speaker retailers or retail categories.
  4879. 3:22:36 Unknown speaker Additionally, this land has been
  4880. 3:22:38 Unknown speaker available for retail development since
  4881. 3:22:40 Unknown speaker it was annexed in by Walmart in 2007, I
  4882. 3:22:44 Unknown speaker believe. And um you know our idea on
  4883. 3:22:47 Unknown speaker that is if it's gone that long without
  4884. 3:22:49 Unknown speaker having any interest, we hired a broker
  4885. 3:22:51 Unknown speaker to go out and solicit retail interest
  4886. 3:22:54 Unknown speaker for this site and uh did not um get any
  4887. 3:22:58 Unknown speaker interested parties in coming in. And so
  4888. 3:23:00 Unknown speaker because of that u move towards a
  4889. 3:23:02 Unknown speaker different use for the broader portion of
  4890. 3:23:04 Unknown speaker the site that retail broker did say on
  4891. 3:23:07 Unknown speaker the hard corner there was a good
  4892. 3:23:08 Unknown speaker opportunity to do kind of two to four
  4893. 3:23:11 Unknown speaker acres of commercial real retail
  4894. 3:23:13 Unknown speaker development.
  4895. 3:23:16 Unknown speaker I I think I have one question for you
  4896. 3:23:17 Unknown speaker and then one question for either city
  4897. 3:23:18 Unknown speaker attorney or or staff. I'm not sure. Is
  4898. 3:23:21 Unknown speaker there anything in the concept plan that
  4899. 3:23:24 Unknown speaker constrains the residential piece if this
  4900. 3:23:26 Unknown speaker is approved from ultimately becoming
  4901. 3:23:28 Unknown speaker entirely rental multif family?
  4902. 3:23:33 Unknown speaker I don't know the answer to that
  4903. 3:23:34 Unknown speaker question.
  4904. 3:23:36 Unknown speaker I don't
  4905. 3:23:38 Unknown speaker not that I am aware of.
  4906. 3:23:39 Unknown speaker Yeah. Is there anything
  4907. 3:23:40 Unknown speaker can you repeat? Yeah. Is there anything
  4908. 3:23:42 Unknown speaker in the the question was is there
  4909. 3:23:43 Unknown speaker anything in the concept plan that
  4910. 3:23:44 Unknown speaker constrains the residential piece if this
  4911. 3:23:46 Unknown speaker is approved from eventually becoming
  4912. 3:23:48 Unknown speaker entirely rental multif family housing um
  4913. 3:23:52 Unknown speaker essentially apartments or or similar
  4914. 3:23:54 Unknown speaker multif family rentals.
  4915. 3:23:56 Unknown speaker One thing I'd like to mention on this is
  4916. 3:23:58 Unknown speaker you know we're bringing the uh east
  4917. 3:24:00 Unknown speaker parcel tonight but our ownership does
  4918. 3:24:03 Unknown speaker have the west parcel as well and we view
  4919. 3:24:06 Unknown speaker it all as kind of one broader project.
  4920. 3:24:09 Unknown speaker And so the idea of the project as a
  4921. 3:24:13 Unknown speaker whole is that we move from more single
  4922. 3:24:16 Unknown speaker family lower density development towards
  4923. 3:24:18 Unknown speaker higher density development as you move
  4924. 3:24:21 Unknown speaker from west to east. And so I think that
  4925. 3:24:25 Unknown speaker the lower density development is far
  4926. 3:24:27 Unknown speaker more suited to um forale style um
  4927. 3:24:33 Unknown speaker residential development. We have heard
  4928. 3:24:34 Unknown speaker you loud and clear um you know both
  4929. 3:24:37 Unknown speaker through kind of various meetings, other
  4930. 3:24:39 Unknown speaker annexations. We understand the priority
  4931. 3:24:42 Unknown speaker of what you guys are looking for in
  4932. 3:24:43 Unknown speaker terms of housing development. I think on
  4933. 3:24:46 Unknown speaker this east side because it already is
  4934. 3:24:48 Unknown speaker zoned for the higher density. Um, we
  4935. 3:24:52 Unknown speaker wanted to just kind of continue to stay
  4936. 3:24:54 Unknown speaker in compliance with Envision Longmont and
  4937. 3:24:57 Unknown speaker with the current zoning um on higher
  4938. 3:24:59 Unknown speaker density and kind of use the other side
  4939. 3:25:02 Unknown speaker of the street for the lower density
  4940. 3:25:03 Unknown speaker component of the development.
  4941. 3:25:05 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  4942. 3:25:08 Unknown speaker Council member Christ.
  4943. 3:25:14 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. It is hard to get our
  4944. 3:25:16 Unknown speaker head wrapped around this again. Um, so
  4945. 3:25:19 Unknown speaker forgive us if we're in not elegant about
  4946. 3:25:22 Unknown speaker what we're saying. Um, generally um the
  4947. 3:25:25 Unknown speaker existing plan um on page 299 of the
  4948. 3:25:30 Unknown speaker packet is preferable to to what is
  4949. 3:25:34 Unknown speaker proposed in the amendment. Um
  4950. 3:25:39 Unknown speaker because the council goals have changed
  4951. 3:25:41 Unknown speaker as you as you recognized uh in favor of
  4952. 3:25:44 Unknown speaker more for sale housing um starter homes
  4953. 3:25:47 Unknown speaker and missing middle attainable homes. Um
  4954. 3:25:52 Unknown speaker this is a gateway project. We've talked
  4955. 3:25:54 Unknown speaker about this before. Um so it's kind of
  4956. 3:25:57 Unknown speaker the first encounter that drivers will
  4957. 3:25:59 Unknown speaker have with Longmont. And it's important
  4958. 3:26:01 Unknown speaker to have commercial areas that attract
  4959. 3:26:02 Unknown speaker cars to turn off um of the highway. Uh
  4960. 3:26:07 Unknown speaker stop stop maybe for a bite to eat and be
  4961. 3:26:09 Unknown speaker favorably impressed with their first
  4962. 3:26:11 Unknown speaker look at Longmont. Um additionally, it's
  4963. 3:26:14 Unknown speaker hard to come to town um across Highway
  4964. 3:26:18 Unknown speaker 66 for every shopping and service need
  4965. 3:26:21 Unknown speaker and have core services um commercial
  4966. 3:26:24 Unknown speaker needs met in the development. Um, and
  4967. 3:26:28 Unknown speaker here I'm thinking, uh, and this just for
  4968. 3:26:31 Unknown speaker instance, um, like dental and banking
  4969. 3:26:34 Unknown speaker and a reliable sit-down breakfast place,
  4970. 3:26:38 Unknown speaker a coffee shop, and just a place to get
  4971. 3:26:40 Unknown speaker together. I I, um, get this request
  4972. 3:26:43 Unknown speaker frequently on the north um, east side.
  4973. 3:26:47 Unknown speaker Um, it it helps support residents. It
  4974. 3:26:49 Unknown speaker keeps cars off the street. It creates a
  4975. 3:26:51 Unknown speaker community feel. Um,
  4976. 3:26:54 Unknown speaker especially the RTD transportation hub
  4977. 3:26:56 Unknown speaker must stay to increase connectivity and I
  4978. 3:26:58 Unknown speaker like the positioning of RTD better in
  4979. 3:27:00 Unknown speaker the existing plan in that it's
  4980. 3:27:03 Unknown speaker positioned in an accessible area but
  4981. 3:27:05 Unknown speaker behind the commercial area so those
  4982. 3:27:07 Unknown speaker waiting for transportation can also you
  4983. 3:27:10 Unknown speaker know enjoy uh food shopping or or just a
  4984. 3:27:13 Unknown speaker diversion or a place to step out of the
  4985. 3:27:15 Unknown speaker elements while they're waiting for a
  4986. 3:27:17 Unknown speaker bus.
  4987. 3:27:19 Unknown speaker Um
  4988. 3:27:22 Unknown speaker I think um one of the one of the things
  4989. 3:27:25 Unknown speaker with the amendment is uh we already have
  4990. 3:27:28 Unknown speaker 240 rental uh units there and you were
  4991. 3:27:33 Unknown speaker um the amendment stated we could go up
  4992. 3:27:35 Unknown speaker to another 529.
  4993. 3:27:38 Unknown speaker So then that would lead to about 769
  4994. 3:27:43 Unknown speaker rental units. That's quite large for
  4995. 3:27:45 Unknown speaker that area. And also, as I mentioned,
  4996. 3:27:47 Unknown speaker it's a gateway project. Um, we already
  4997. 3:27:52 Unknown speaker hear a lot about Apartment. Uh, hate
  4998. 3:27:56 Unknown speaker that to be the first thing everybody
  4999. 3:27:57 Unknown speaker sees when they get here. Um,
  5000. 3:28:01 Unknown speaker and I, you know, I I was reading the PNC
  5001. 3:28:03 Unknown speaker packet and I have to say that, um, there
  5002. 3:28:06 Unknown speaker was a public comment made that Longman
  5003. 3:28:09 Unknown speaker is number one in the state for
  5004. 3:28:10 Unknown speaker apartments and number 18 in the country.
  5005. 3:28:14 Unknown speaker And so I thought, is that true? Uh, but
  5006. 3:28:16 Unknown speaker when you look it up on Google, that's
  5007. 3:28:18 Unknown speaker what comes up. So, um, and for a town
  5008. 3:28:21 Unknown speaker our size. So, I think maybe we are full
  5009. 3:28:24 Unknown speaker for apartments. We're definitely seeing
  5010. 3:28:26 Unknown speaker that. It was interesting when I pulled
  5011. 3:28:28 Unknown speaker that up on Google. Zillow came up with a
  5012. 3:28:30 Unknown speaker list of all the apartment complexes. I
  5013. 3:28:33 Unknown speaker didn't go through them all. Um, but
  5014. 3:28:35 Unknown speaker there's a lot of large apartment
  5015. 3:28:36 Unknown speaker complexes in Longmont now.
  5016. 3:28:39 Unknown speaker So, um, I I don't know. Did you have a a
  5017. 3:28:43 Unknown speaker motion in mind, Council Marcy?
  5018. 3:28:45 Unknown speaker I see lights.
  5019. 3:28:46 Unknown speaker Okay, then. Oh, yeah. Let me look the
  5020. 3:28:48 Unknown speaker other direction. Oh, so I I do have a a
  5021. 3:28:50 Unknown speaker motion in mind, but um I want to hear
  5022. 3:28:53 Unknown speaker from other other counselors what what
  5023. 3:28:55 Unknown speaker they think about um this particular
  5024. 3:28:57 Unknown speaker amendment.
  5025. 3:28:58 Unknown speaker Okay. Um
  5026. 3:29:01 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin.
  5027. 3:29:03 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Three quick questions
  5028. 3:29:05 Unknown speaker for the applicant. Um, first we we saw
  5029. 3:29:07 Unknown speaker in the previous concept plan tonight um
  5030. 3:29:09 Unknown speaker for the drag creek annexation there was
  5031. 3:29:11 Unknown speaker a mark on kind of pocket park and some
  5032. 3:29:12 Unknown speaker of that infrastructure there and I I
  5033. 3:29:15 Unknown speaker don't think that's required at this
  5034. 3:29:16 Unknown speaker stage. I'm just wondering if you're
  5035. 3:29:17 Unknown speaker thinking how how you're thinking about
  5036. 3:29:19 Unknown speaker the layout a little bit to the extent if
  5037. 3:29:20 Unknown speaker you're able to share especially for the
  5038. 3:29:22 Unknown speaker residential area.
  5039. 3:29:23 Unknown speaker Yeah. I mean given where we are at this
  5040. 3:29:25 Unknown speaker stage we're trying to figure out what
  5041. 3:29:27 Unknown speaker uses um can even be supported and hadn't
  5042. 3:29:30 Unknown speaker gotten to the level of understanding
  5043. 3:29:32 Unknown speaker what that is. I think if you look at the
  5044. 3:29:34 Unknown speaker properties that we've development
  5045. 3:29:35 Unknown speaker developed in Longmont, um having open
  5046. 3:29:38 Unknown speaker green areas as a part of those is really
  5047. 3:29:40 Unknown speaker important to us. We are long-term owners
  5048. 3:29:43 Unknown speaker of our real estate. We really care how
  5049. 3:29:45 Unknown speaker it lives, how it performs, not just day
  5050. 3:29:47 Unknown speaker one to sell it off, but
  5051. 3:29:50 Unknown speaker you're 10, you're 20, and uh we have
  5052. 3:29:52 Unknown speaker that track record here in Longmont.
  5053. 3:29:53 Unknown speaker Thanks. And I know this isn't the first
  5054. 3:29:55 Unknown speaker project you guys have developed in
  5055. 3:29:56 Unknown speaker Longmont. Um are you Longmont based? Are
  5056. 3:29:58 Unknown speaker you regional, Denver based? What's the
  5057. 3:29:59 Unknown speaker We are a small little Longmont based
  5058. 3:30:01 Unknown speaker company. There's five of us. Our uh
  5059. 3:30:04 Unknown speaker headquarters, if you can even call it
  5060. 3:30:05 Unknown speaker that, is at 755 Delaware Avenue um at
  5061. 3:30:08 Unknown speaker the Parkway Prominade uh shopping
  5062. 3:30:10 Unknown speaker center,
  5063. 3:30:11 Unknown speaker which I think we've owned for 35 years.
  5064. 3:30:15 Unknown speaker Um certainly a lot longer than I've been
  5065. 3:30:16 Unknown speaker with the company. Yeah. And then my last
  5066. 3:30:18 Unknown speaker question was just, you know, this is an
  5067. 3:30:20 Unknown speaker interesting project. I think for the
  5068. 3:30:21 Unknown speaker same reason some of my colleagues have
  5069. 3:30:23 Unknown speaker mentioned in terms of a gateway from a
  5070. 3:30:25 Unknown speaker northern gateway and it's out of my word
  5071. 3:30:27 Unknown speaker but um the on the other to the east um
  5072. 3:30:30 Unknown speaker in council member Chris's word and I'm
  5073. 3:30:32 Unknown speaker just curious this isn't the first
  5074. 3:30:34 Unknown speaker project that I'm thinking of where you
  5075. 3:30:36 Unknown speaker guys have you know are next to or
  5076. 3:30:39 Unknown speaker developing a property next to a major
  5077. 3:30:41 Unknown speaker artery or kind of kind of gatewayish to
  5078. 3:30:44 Unknown speaker Longmont. I'm just wondering if you
  5079. 3:30:45 Unknown speaker could elaborate on your kind of
  5080. 3:30:46 Unknown speaker philosophy on how you think about that.
  5081. 3:30:51 Unknown speaker Yeah. I mean, I think what we're looking
  5082. 3:30:53 Unknown speaker for is finding uses that are compatible
  5083. 3:30:56 Unknown speaker with what the city needs where there's a
  5084. 3:30:59 Unknown speaker demonstrated demand, not only from
  5085. 3:31:02 Unknown speaker developers and capital that wants to
  5086. 3:31:04 Unknown speaker come in and execute and build on these
  5087. 3:31:06 Unknown speaker projects, but also by the end users. And
  5088. 3:31:09 Unknown speaker so I think by looking at how long that
  5089. 3:31:12 Unknown speaker existing concept plan has just laid
  5090. 3:31:16 Unknown speaker uh we have a pretty good understanding
  5091. 3:31:18 Unknown speaker that it's not the right concept plan and
  5092. 3:31:20 Unknown speaker that something different needs to happen
  5093. 3:31:22 Unknown speaker if we want to see some activity there in
  5094. 3:31:24 Unknown speaker the [snorts] somewhat near future. I
  5095. 3:31:26 Unknown speaker think we still have a long road to hoe
  5096. 3:31:27 Unknown speaker on just getting through approvals.
  5097. 3:31:30 Unknown speaker Uh certainly if you look at sort of the
  5098. 3:31:32 Unknown speaker public discourse, the
  5099. 3:31:35 Unknown speaker unmet need in Longmont is around housing
  5100. 3:31:38 Unknown speaker and I think the retail um is really well
  5101. 3:31:43 Unknown speaker served on this side of town.
  5102. 3:31:45 Unknown speaker Gotcha. Thank you. And then just to
  5103. 3:31:46 Unknown speaker clarify, you have an existing concept
  5104. 3:31:49 Unknown speaker plan that was approved at the time way
  5105. 3:31:50 Unknown speaker back with the original annexation on
  5106. 3:31:52 Unknown speaker this. And so at any point you could have
  5107. 3:31:54 Unknown speaker just started developing in accordance
  5108. 3:31:55 Unknown speaker with that concept plan. Correct.
  5109. 3:31:59 Unknown speaker Theoretically, yes. Although I mean that
  5110. 3:32:01 Unknown speaker the concept plan is like the beginning
  5111. 3:32:03 Unknown speaker of the beginning of the beginning. So,
  5112. 3:32:04 Unknown speaker but you could have started to move
  5113. 3:32:05 Unknown speaker forward with that process based on the
  5114. 3:32:07 Unknown speaker existing concept plan. You're coming
  5115. 3:32:09 Unknown speaker requesting this amendment because you
  5116. 3:32:10 Unknown speaker think that a better balance of on-site
  5117. 3:32:14 Unknown speaker um uses is preferable. Correct.
  5118. 3:32:16 Unknown speaker Yes, that is correct. And also I I want
  5119. 3:32:19 Unknown speaker to note that you know we have had
  5120. 3:32:21 Unknown speaker extensive conversations with both RTD
  5121. 3:32:24 Unknown speaker and C dot about the location of RTD on
  5122. 3:32:28 Unknown speaker the north side of the project and
  5123. 3:32:30 Unknown speaker putting in a new light there and how
  5124. 3:32:32 Unknown speaker that works with the um median project
  5125. 3:32:36 Unknown speaker that'll be coming down from Berthid and
  5126. 3:32:38 Unknown speaker will actually probably terminate at the
  5127. 3:32:40 Unknown speaker light that we would be at.
  5128. 3:32:41 Unknown speaker The median project.
  5129. 3:32:42 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5130. 3:32:42 Unknown speaker Yeah. So C do is working on a median
  5131. 3:32:45 Unknown speaker because 287 has a lot of head-on crash
  5132. 3:32:48 Unknown speaker safety issues and they've decided that's
  5133. 3:32:50 Unknown speaker one of the priorities for them and it
  5134. 3:32:52 Unknown speaker could start as early as next spring. So
  5135. 3:32:54 Unknown speaker we've been in heavy coordination with
  5136. 3:32:57 Unknown speaker them meetings of what Kristen 30 people
  5137. 3:33:00 Unknown speaker at a time to try to get everybody on
  5138. 3:33:03 Unknown speaker board with these locations and how it
  5139. 3:33:05 Unknown speaker will all function. And I think all four
  5140. 3:33:07 Unknown speaker constituents, developer, C do DOT, RTD,
  5141. 3:33:10 Unknown speaker and city um have all found common ground
  5142. 3:33:13 Unknown speaker on that location on the north side with
  5143. 3:33:15 Unknown speaker the stoplight. And I could talk for a
  5144. 3:33:18 Unknown speaker long time about why that's right. I'm
  5145. 3:33:19 Unknown speaker going to turn it to questions.
  5146. 3:33:21 Unknown speaker I I appreciate that and I appreciate all
  5147. 3:33:23 Unknown speaker the thoughtfulness and the engagement
  5148. 3:33:25 Unknown speaker with RTD on that. That's all. Thank you.
  5149. 3:33:26 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um so do you have a a
  5150. 3:33:32 Unknown speaker motion? Is it the motion you sent to me?
  5151. 3:33:33 Unknown speaker I I see you. I'm going to call council
  5152. 3:33:35 Unknown speaker member Prito next but okay so I just
  5153. 3:33:38 Unknown speaker wanted to make sure that as we continue
  5154. 3:33:40 Unknown speaker with this conversation are you thinking
  5155. 3:33:42 Unknown speaker that we're going somewhere yes please
  5156. 3:33:44 Unknown speaker thank you council member um prito
  5157. 3:33:47 Unknown speaker all right um this is for the applicant
  5158. 3:33:51 Unknown speaker or developer
  5159. 3:33:52 Unknown speaker um
  5160. 3:33:54 Unknown speaker so as far as like the units themselves
  5161. 3:33:58 Unknown speaker how many bedrooms is it going to be
  5162. 3:34:00 Unknown speaker equivalent to the ones that are like
  5163. 3:34:02 Unknown speaker near that area or What what is like what
  5164. 3:34:05 Unknown speaker is the bedroom size here that you guys
  5165. 3:34:07 Unknown speaker are thinking?
  5166. 3:34:08 Unknown speaker Yeah, we're way way way before that
  5167. 3:34:11 Unknown speaker decision gets made and I understand how
  5168. 3:34:13 Unknown speaker hard it is to ask you guys for direction
  5169. 3:34:17 Unknown speaker and approvals without having that level
  5170. 3:34:20 Unknown speaker of detail.
  5171. 3:34:21 Unknown speaker Um, you know, I think this process is so
  5172. 3:34:23 Unknown speaker elongated. We started in on this
  5173. 3:34:26 Unknown speaker combined application about three and a
  5174. 3:34:28 Unknown speaker half years ago. And during that time,
  5175. 3:34:31 Unknown speaker several thousand apartment units have
  5176. 3:34:32 Unknown speaker been developed in Longmont. And so I
  5177. 3:34:35 Unknown speaker think the needs have changed. Um I would
  5178. 3:34:38 Unknown speaker say my general understanding of what the
  5179. 3:34:42 Unknown speaker unmet need is is for larger units.
  5180. 3:34:45 Unknown speaker Obviously, we've heard you guys that for
  5181. 3:34:46 Unknown speaker sale units um is is a hole in the
  5182. 3:34:49 Unknown speaker market. And I think one of the hardest
  5183. 3:34:51 Unknown speaker things for us is trying to understand
  5184. 3:34:53 Unknown speaker where the market is today and reconcile
  5185. 3:34:57 Unknown speaker that with the fact that shovels won't be
  5186. 3:34:59 Unknown speaker in the ground for at least 3 years and
  5187. 3:35:02 Unknown speaker the market could be very different at
  5188. 3:35:04 Unknown speaker that point in time. I think we feel like
  5189. 3:35:07 Unknown speaker the unmet housing needs um will continue
  5190. 3:35:12 Unknown speaker through that period of time. exactly
  5191. 3:35:14 Unknown speaker where within the world of housing those
  5192. 3:35:17 Unknown speaker unmet needs are um kind of continues to
  5193. 3:35:20 Unknown speaker change and we want to kind of meet the
  5194. 3:35:22 Unknown speaker market um where it is when we get the
  5195. 3:35:25 Unknown speaker opportunity to develop um and certainly
  5196. 3:35:28 Unknown speaker don't want to kind of box ourselves into
  5197. 3:35:30 Unknown speaker a decision and then find ourselves two
  5198. 3:35:33 Unknown speaker three years down the road back here
  5199. 3:35:35 Unknown speaker talking about why the concept plan isn't
  5200. 3:35:37 Unknown speaker appropriate anymore. And so it's it's so
  5201. 3:35:40 Unknown speaker hard with these timelines to kind of
  5202. 3:35:42 Unknown speaker stay um in sync with the market and
  5203. 3:35:46 Unknown speaker that's one of the reasons that they're
  5204. 3:35:47 Unknown speaker fairly broad.
  5205. 3:35:49 Unknown speaker Yeah. And it is really challenging cuz
  5206. 3:35:51 Unknown speaker we all have priorities as far as what we
  5207. 3:35:54 Unknown speaker foresee as a need in the city. And then
  5208. 3:35:56 Unknown speaker we're going to be reviewing the housing
  5209. 3:35:57 Unknown speaker assessment as well um to understand what
  5210. 3:35:59 Unknown speaker that market looks like. Um and then it's
  5211. 3:36:02 Unknown speaker important to understand like who are we
  5212. 3:36:04 Unknown speaker drawing to the city? Do we have spaces
  5213. 3:36:07 Unknown speaker for families? Does this development
  5214. 3:36:10 Unknown speaker accommodate families or are we just
  5215. 3:36:12 Unknown speaker building big buildings where kids can't
  5216. 3:36:14 Unknown speaker play? Those things are little but very
  5217. 3:36:18 Unknown speaker important at least for me
  5218. 3:36:20 Unknown speaker on council.
  5219. 3:36:21 Unknown speaker Um and another question. So for this
  5220. 3:36:25 Unknown speaker addition is is there going to be an
  5221. 3:36:28 Unknown speaker additional 12% affordable housing
  5222. 3:36:30 Unknown speaker requirement
  5223. 3:36:32 Unknown speaker as well? It's not like
  5224. 3:36:34 Unknown speaker Okay. So this will have that will
  5225. 3:36:36 Unknown speaker include the 12%.
  5226. 3:36:38 Unknown speaker Okay, perfect. Because that's what I was
  5227. 3:36:40 Unknown speaker cur I was like is was it a part of the
  5228. 3:36:42 Unknown speaker original and so Okay, I'm sorry.
  5229. 3:36:46 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, so and then I think my
  5230. 3:36:49 Unknown speaker other question was, um,
  5231. 3:36:53 Unknown speaker I think more of a concern is, you know,
  5232. 3:36:57 Unknown speaker and we're having conversations within LA
  5233. 3:36:59 Unknown speaker and and I'm seeing like within the
  5234. 3:37:03 Unknown speaker market because I help homeless families
  5235. 3:37:04 Unknown speaker navigate housing and trying to find
  5236. 3:37:06 Unknown speaker apartments to lease up into, etc.
  5237. 3:37:09 Unknown speaker I I know like I hear this this
  5238. 3:37:13 Unknown speaker overwhelming kind of like we need more
  5239. 3:37:14 Unknown speaker housing. We need more housing, but I
  5240. 3:37:16 Unknown speaker feel like there is a lot of apartments
  5241. 3:37:18 Unknown speaker on the market right now that are not
  5242. 3:37:20 Unknown speaker being rented. And so we add this stock
  5243. 3:37:23 Unknown speaker to that. And again, you like you said,
  5244. 3:37:26 Unknown speaker it might change. I think we're expecting
  5245. 3:37:28 Unknown speaker those rents to go up. I think we heard I
  5246. 3:37:30 Unknown speaker heard 29 2029
  5247. 3:37:32 Unknown speaker potentially that trend could change and
  5248. 3:37:35 Unknown speaker there could be more need. But I'm I'm
  5249. 3:37:39 Unknown speaker just kind of This one's interesting for
  5250. 3:37:41 Unknown speaker me because it I feel like it's an
  5251. 3:37:43 Unknown speaker appropriate spot. I feel like it was
  5252. 3:37:45 Unknown speaker already kind of a part of the plan to
  5253. 3:37:47 Unknown speaker begin with, but not knowing a whole lot
  5254. 3:37:49 Unknown speaker about the plan is kind of worrisome. And
  5255. 3:37:52 Unknown speaker so I would just urge you guys like to
  5256. 3:37:56 Unknown speaker really get to know what council's
  5257. 3:37:58 Unknown speaker priorities are.
  5258. 3:38:00 Unknown speaker Um and then of course you're going to
  5259. 3:38:03 Unknown speaker study the market at that time to make
  5260. 3:38:05 Unknown speaker sure it makes sense, right? Um, but if
  5261. 3:38:08 Unknown speaker we can make sure that this is a space
  5262. 3:38:10 Unknown speaker for different types of families, that
  5263. 3:38:12 Unknown speaker there's green space, that um it's
  5264. 3:38:15 Unknown speaker accessible, that the transportation set
  5265. 3:38:17 Unknown speaker up well, um I I think that gives me the
  5266. 3:38:21 Unknown speaker warm and fuzzy, but again, it's like a
  5267. 3:38:23 Unknown speaker shot in the dark here. [laughter]
  5268. 3:38:25 Unknown speaker So, that's essentially what I
  5269. 3:38:27 Unknown speaker Yeah. And I would like you to be rest
  5270. 3:38:28 Unknown speaker assured that we spend a lot of time and
  5271. 3:38:30 Unknown speaker effort understanding what council's
  5272. 3:38:32 Unknown speaker priorities are. We routinely watch
  5273. 3:38:34 Unknown speaker videos of the meeting. I've spent hours,
  5274. 3:38:37 Unknown speaker you know, all two days of your off-site
  5275. 3:38:39 Unknown speaker are available on YouTube and I've
  5276. 3:38:41 Unknown speaker watched a lot of that on like 3x speed.
  5277. 3:38:45 Unknown speaker Every time I hear the word housing, like
  5278. 3:38:46 Unknown speaker slow down and listen to it. So, we do
  5279. 3:38:49 Unknown speaker really care about what you want. Like I
  5280. 3:38:51 Unknown speaker said, we've been in Longmont for a long
  5281. 3:38:53 Unknown speaker time. We're going to continue to be here
  5282. 3:38:55 Unknown speaker for a long time and and we are committed
  5283. 3:38:57 Unknown speaker to building the right product and the
  5284. 3:38:59 Unknown speaker right place. We think this project is
  5285. 3:39:01 Unknown speaker that. Um and you know we would like the
  5286. 3:39:05 Unknown speaker flexibility to be able to move with the
  5287. 3:39:07 Unknown speaker market and this will come back through
  5288. 3:39:10 Unknown speaker planning commission and city council as
  5289. 3:39:12 Unknown speaker it reaches later stages. Um so not
  5290. 3:39:15 Unknown speaker everything has to be kind of set in
  5291. 3:39:17 Unknown speaker stone at this stage. This is sort of I
  5292. 3:39:19 Unknown speaker view it as putting up the guideposts of
  5293. 3:39:22 Unknown speaker like are we all kind of marching in the
  5294. 3:39:24 Unknown speaker right direction? And as we get further
  5295. 3:39:26 Unknown speaker in the process, we narrow in on what
  5296. 3:39:28 Unknown speaker those details are and as we get closer
  5297. 3:39:30 Unknown speaker to the moment of being able to develop
  5298. 3:39:33 Unknown speaker having those details kind of coincide
  5299. 3:39:36 Unknown speaker with the market at the right time.
  5300. 3:39:38 Unknown speaker One more question.
  5301. 3:39:39 Unknown speaker Okay. Um actually we have other people
  5302. 3:39:40 Unknown speaker in the queue. Um Council Member Koffer.
  5303. 3:39:45 Unknown speaker Thanks Mayor. It's nice going towards
  5304. 3:39:46 Unknown speaker the end because most of my questions are
  5305. 3:39:48 Unknown speaker already asked. Um, so since you all are
  5306. 3:39:52 Unknown speaker from here, you probably live here, you
  5307. 3:39:54 Unknown speaker work here, or at least work here. Um,
  5308. 3:39:56 Unknown speaker you're probably proud of the work that
  5309. 3:39:58 Unknown speaker you do. I I I'm know this is so far
  5310. 3:40:01 Unknown speaker before we even get there. But, you know,
  5311. 3:40:03 Unknown speaker if we close our eyes, what what are we
  5312. 3:40:05 Unknown speaker going to see in 10 years as we're
  5313. 3:40:06 Unknown speaker approaching? Like, what what is your
  5314. 3:40:08 Unknown speaker all's big vision of when we're coming
  5315. 3:40:10 Unknown speaker in? Are we going to see a a large
  5316. 3:40:12 Unknown speaker apartment right off 287 or is it going
  5317. 3:40:14 Unknown speaker to slowly build up on that side? I know
  5318. 3:40:16 Unknown speaker you said, you know, this is part of that
  5319. 3:40:18 Unknown speaker whole area where it's going from small
  5320. 3:40:22 Unknown speaker to big.
  5321. 3:40:23 Unknown speaker Um, but, you know, if we close our eyes
  5322. 3:40:25 Unknown speaker and see what what what is your vision?
  5323. 3:40:28 Unknown speaker Yeah, I mean, I think there are people
  5324. 3:40:30 Unknown speaker that are far more skilled in that trade
  5325. 3:40:32 Unknown speaker than us and we would hire architects and
  5326. 3:40:35 Unknown speaker planners and designers. I think that we
  5327. 3:40:37 Unknown speaker have a good understanding that this is
  5328. 3:40:39 Unknown speaker the northern gateway to town. Uh we name
  5329. 3:40:41 Unknown speaker the project that way and we understand
  5330. 3:40:44 Unknown speaker that there's a responsibility that comes
  5331. 3:40:45 Unknown speaker with that to have a nice arrival
  5332. 3:40:49 Unknown speaker experience and I think it is an
  5333. 3:40:50 Unknown speaker opportunity for all of us. Um I think as
  5334. 3:40:54 Unknown speaker we get into the design we can think
  5335. 3:40:56 Unknown speaker about does it make sense to sort of
  5336. 3:40:58 Unknown speaker stack density kind of wedding cake it
  5337. 3:41:01 Unknown speaker back from the highway? Does it make
  5338. 3:41:02 Unknown speaker sense to put more density against the
  5339. 3:41:04 Unknown speaker highway with green spaces kind of
  5340. 3:41:07 Unknown speaker protected by the buildings? I don't
  5341. 3:41:09 Unknown speaker necessarily know the answer to those
  5342. 3:41:10 Unknown speaker questions. Now, um other than it is
  5343. 3:41:13 Unknown speaker important to us and we understand the
  5344. 3:41:14 Unknown speaker responsibility associated with that
  5345. 3:41:16 Unknown speaker arrival experience.
  5346. 3:41:18 Unknown speaker I like to imagine a lot of things. So,
  5347. 3:41:19 Unknown speaker my next question is going to be about
  5348. 3:41:20 Unknown speaker the bus. So, if you're a bus rider and
  5349. 3:41:23 Unknown speaker you're coming in from town and you have
  5350. 3:41:24 Unknown speaker a connection, so let's say you're coming
  5351. 3:41:25 Unknown speaker in from Fort Collins and you're on the
  5352. 3:41:27 Unknown speaker flex and you have to transfer to I don't
  5353. 3:41:29 Unknown speaker know if the AL will come in there. Um,
  5354. 3:41:31 Unknown speaker but it sounds like the businesses are
  5355. 3:41:32 Unknown speaker not going to be near the RTD station. Is
  5356. 3:41:34 Unknown speaker that correct? Or is the business going
  5357. 3:41:37 Unknown speaker to be like if if I'm waiting for the
  5358. 3:41:40 Unknown speaker flex from the a line, am I going to be
  5359. 3:41:43 Unknown speaker able to go to a coffee shop or am I
  5360. 3:41:45 Unknown speaker going to have to walk on a different
  5361. 3:41:47 Unknown speaker part of the property? So, as it's slated
  5362. 3:41:50 Unknown speaker now, um unless we put like a coffee shop
  5363. 3:41:53 Unknown speaker in the base of one of the retail
  5364. 3:41:55 Unknown speaker buildings, which is possible to do, um
  5365. 3:41:58 Unknown speaker the commercial is slated for the
  5366. 3:42:00 Unknown speaker southern side of the project, and so it
  5367. 3:42:03 Unknown speaker is slightly isolated from RTD. Um
  5368. 3:42:08 Unknown speaker I in talking to RTD, it doesn't sound
  5369. 3:42:10 Unknown speaker like a lot of their park and rides have
  5370. 3:42:12 Unknown speaker those types of services associated with
  5371. 3:42:15 Unknown speaker it. it wasn't a priority for them to be
  5372. 3:42:17 Unknown speaker next to the commercial. Um
  5373. 3:42:20 Unknown speaker that's Yeah, I'm not I'm not thrilled
  5374. 3:42:22 Unknown speaker with the uh the acreage reducing from
  5375. 3:42:25 Unknown speaker the business. Um adding more res uh
  5376. 3:42:27 Unknown speaker residential and and hearing that it's
  5377. 3:42:30 Unknown speaker not next to the RTD area where it's
  5378. 3:42:33 Unknown speaker going to be a transfer with two major
  5379. 3:42:37 Unknown speaker transit authorities meeting. I'm not
  5380. 3:42:39 Unknown speaker thrilled about that.
  5381. 3:42:41 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, Council Member Christ.
  5382. 3:42:45 Unknown speaker Oh, um, I have a motion. Oh, okay.
  5383. 3:42:49 Unknown speaker I have
  5384. 3:42:49 Unknown speaker one quick question.
  5385. 3:42:50 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, and Okay, go ahead. And then
  5386. 3:42:53 Unknown speaker just
  5387. 3:42:54 Unknown speaker million dollar question. What happens if
  5388. 3:42:56 Unknown speaker this fails today?
  5389. 3:43:01 Unknown speaker Then we call a meeting with all 30
  5390. 3:43:03 Unknown speaker constituents of RTD and C do DOT and us
  5391. 3:43:06 Unknown speaker and kind of re rethink about the
  5392. 3:43:10 Unknown speaker project. I think if you could give us
  5393. 3:43:12 Unknown speaker very specific ideas of what you want to
  5394. 3:43:16 Unknown speaker see, um it would be helpful in
  5395. 3:43:20 Unknown speaker reconsidering it. But I would um say
  5396. 3:43:23 Unknown speaker this is this is very early in the
  5397. 3:43:25 Unknown speaker process and there will be a lot of
  5398. 3:43:27 Unknown speaker opportunity as we move forward
  5399. 3:43:29 Unknown speaker to hone in on the small details that
  5400. 3:43:33 Unknown speaker really matter and that by not kind of
  5401. 3:43:36 Unknown speaker moving this forward through the process,
  5402. 3:43:38 Unknown speaker it derails something that's been going
  5403. 3:43:41 Unknown speaker on for three and a half years across two
  5404. 3:43:44 Unknown speaker different councils. Um, and you know,
  5405. 3:43:46 Unknown speaker we've worked really hard with the city
  5406. 3:43:48 Unknown speaker to make this a priority project because
  5407. 3:43:50 Unknown speaker RTD is breathing down our neck to get
  5408. 3:43:53 Unknown speaker this land. And so we have to go through
  5409. 3:43:57 Unknown speaker all of these various steps to be able to
  5410. 3:44:00 Unknown speaker deliver on that. So I think it would be
  5411. 3:44:03 Unknown speaker very detrimental to the process um to
  5412. 3:44:06 Unknown speaker derail it at this point and think
  5413. 3:44:08 Unknown speaker there's a lot of opportunity to kind of
  5414. 3:44:10 Unknown speaker hone in on minor changes as we get
  5415. 3:44:12 Unknown speaker further into the site plan.
  5416. 3:44:14 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  5417. 3:44:14 Unknown speaker Yeah. and having seen, you know, being
  5418. 3:44:17 Unknown speaker on council since 2019, having seen
  5419. 3:44:19 Unknown speaker several of these processes and having it
  5420. 3:44:22 Unknown speaker all come together. Um, yeah, I do not
  5421. 3:44:25 Unknown speaker feel comfortable changing this because
  5422. 3:44:28 Unknown speaker there are or turning it or not approving
  5423. 3:44:31 Unknown speaker this, denying this. Um, because there
  5424. 3:44:33 Unknown speaker are multiple partners involved. So it's
  5425. 3:44:37 Unknown speaker not just one development, one developer,
  5426. 3:44:39 Unknown speaker but there are multiple different bodies
  5427. 3:44:42 Unknown speaker and entities at play here. So if one
  5428. 3:44:46 Unknown speaker gets off course, it derails it for the
  5429. 3:44:49 Unknown speaker for the rest. So um yeah, Council Member
  5430. 3:44:54 Unknown speaker Chris, go ahead.
  5431. 3:44:58 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh
  5432. 3:45:01 Unknown speaker well I do have a motion and first let me
  5433. 3:45:04 Unknown speaker say that also we are looking at doing
  5434. 3:45:07 Unknown speaker our housing assessment as well and the
  5435. 3:45:09 Unknown speaker thing we know about housing assessments
  5436. 3:45:10 Unknown speaker they're usually about two years behind.
  5437. 3:45:12 Unknown speaker So we're we're kind of um and you have
  5438. 3:45:15 Unknown speaker the great advantage in that our
  5439. 3:45:17 Unknown speaker preession was all about what do we do
  5440. 3:45:19 Unknown speaker about North Main retail and we're
  5441. 3:45:22 Unknown speaker developing a plan there
  5442. 3:45:25 Unknown speaker as well as how do we get more forale
  5443. 3:45:27 Unknown speaker housing. So, um if if my um fellow
  5444. 3:45:32 Unknown speaker counselors could um go to the attachment
  5445. 3:45:36 Unknown speaker to concept plan on page three, it puts
  5446. 3:45:39 Unknown speaker side by side the existing concept plan
  5447. 3:45:41 Unknown speaker with the proposed concept plan. And so,
  5448. 3:45:44 Unknown speaker here's my my motion. Um, I'm going to
  5449. 3:45:47 Unknown speaker move to deny the concept plan amendment
  5450. 3:45:51 Unknown speaker for phase two um of the Walmart retail
  5451. 3:45:55 Unknown speaker center annexation but retain the
  5452. 3:45:58 Unknown speaker existing planned commercial areas and
  5453. 3:46:01 Unknown speaker RTD hub
  5454. 3:46:03 Unknown speaker and this is on the fly that could move
  5455. 3:46:05 Unknown speaker up to where the signal light is going to
  5456. 3:46:07 Unknown speaker be but still be behind retail
  5457. 3:46:10 Unknown speaker um but modify the existing concept plan
  5458. 3:46:14 Unknown speaker to include 50% for sale housing within
  5459. 3:46:17 Unknown speaker the development
  5460. 3:46:18 Unknown speaker um which is known as Copper Peak
  5461. 3:46:20 Unknown speaker Development at 2704 Maine. Um I guess
  5462. 3:46:25 Unknown speaker that gives us about 380 rentals and 380
  5463. 3:46:29 Unknown speaker for sale and somewhere in there would be
  5464. 3:46:32 Unknown speaker the 12%.
  5465. 3:46:34 Unknown speaker Maybe a bit of both.
  5466. 3:46:37 Unknown speaker Okay, see no one seconding that. That
  5467. 3:46:39 Unknown speaker motion dies for lack of a second.
  5468. 3:46:43 Unknown speaker Does anyone want a second? Um, no. It's
  5469. 3:46:46 Unknown speaker already it's it's already
  5470. 3:46:48 Unknown speaker we're wondering. We're looking at
  5471. 3:46:50 Unknown speaker We don't go into Nope. We don't go into
  5472. 3:46:52 Unknown speaker discussion. So, once the motion was
  5473. 3:46:53 Unknown speaker made, if nobody jumps in to second it,
  5474. 3:46:55 Unknown speaker it dies for lack of second. Council
  5475. 3:46:57 Unknown speaker member Marcen.
  5476. 3:46:58 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And I I appreciate
  5477. 3:47:00 Unknown speaker that. I I I think the
  5478. 3:47:03 Unknown speaker conceptual nature is right. I'm
  5479. 3:47:05 Unknown speaker concerned about whether we can make a
  5480. 3:47:07 Unknown speaker concept plan amendment on the fly in
  5481. 3:47:09 Unknown speaker this process since it's quasi judicial.
  5482. 3:47:11 Unknown speaker I'm going to make a separate motion and
  5483. 3:47:13 Unknown speaker I'm going to make it a little cleaner. I
  5484. 3:47:14 Unknown speaker move to deny the Copper Peak at Longmont
  5485. 3:47:17 Unknown speaker Concept Plan amendment which is option
  5486. 3:47:18 Unknown speaker three in our packet and I'm happy to
  5487. 3:47:20 Unknown speaker explain why
  5488. 3:47:22 Unknown speaker which is a
  5489. 3:47:23 Unknown speaker Okay. And so that dies for Oh, nope. I
  5490. 3:47:26 Unknown speaker already said that denied.
  5491. 3:47:28 Unknown speaker A point of point of mayor. She she
  5492. 3:47:30 Unknown speaker second. She just
  5493. 3:47:31 Unknown speaker finished saying was done.
  5494. 3:47:33 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5495. 3:47:35 Unknown speaker Okay. So that then the motion to deny
  5496. 3:47:40 Unknown speaker was made by council member Marcine,
  5497. 3:47:42 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Chris. I just
  5498. 3:47:44 Unknown speaker know the number of times we all jump in
  5499. 3:47:46 Unknown speaker and second and third things.
  5500. 3:47:48 Unknown speaker I'll be very quick, mayor. I I am very
  5501. 3:47:50 Unknown speaker sympathetic first of all to I I think
  5502. 3:47:52 Unknown speaker some other council members are concerned
  5503. 3:47:54 Unknown speaker about the market signal about the
  5504. 3:47:55 Unknown speaker process you've gone through. You were
  5505. 3:47:56 Unknown speaker told at one point by a different council
  5506. 3:47:58 Unknown speaker density units we need and and that is
  5507. 3:48:01 Unknown speaker and now you're getting different
  5508. 3:48:02 Unknown speaker signals. I'm very sympathetic to that.
  5509. 3:48:03 Unknown speaker I'm sympathetic to the stakeholder
  5510. 3:48:05 Unknown speaker concerns to the RTD process. My ultimate
  5511. 3:48:08 Unknown speaker responsibility here is to our residents
  5512. 3:48:10 Unknown speaker and to the needs of our community. Um I
  5513. 3:48:13 Unknown speaker I am concerned as council member Koffer
  5514. 3:48:15 Unknown speaker said about um reducing the amount of
  5515. 3:48:19 Unknown speaker commercial space that we're talking
  5516. 3:48:20 Unknown speaker about about the gateway access issues
  5517. 3:48:22 Unknown speaker and and whether or not this plan um
  5518. 3:48:25 Unknown speaker whether or not this amendment is is
  5519. 3:48:27 Unknown speaker appropriate. I would like to see it come
  5520. 3:48:28 Unknown speaker back with a sign with a um with with a
  5521. 3:48:32 Unknown speaker with I I would like to see you go
  5522. 3:48:34 Unknown speaker through that process and I'd like to see
  5523. 3:48:36 Unknown speaker you sit down with to go through the
  5524. 3:48:37 Unknown speaker process of sitting down with your
  5525. 3:48:38 Unknown speaker stakeholders and coming back. Thanks.
  5526. 3:48:40 Unknown speaker Thank you. Let's go ahead and vote on
  5527. 3:48:41 Unknown speaker this. Um
  5528. 3:48:43 Unknown speaker we have a late
  5529. 3:48:44 Unknown speaker Okay, you guys. Yeah,
  5530. 3:48:46 Unknown speaker we're
  5531. 3:48:46 Unknown speaker I mean we are going to run out of time,
  5532. 3:48:48 Unknown speaker but council member Popkin quickly,
  5533. 3:48:50 Unknown speaker please.
  5534. 3:48:50 Unknown speaker Yeah, I just wanted to note that we we
  5535. 3:48:52 Unknown speaker had a discussion in preession. We've
  5536. 3:48:54 Unknown speaker been talking about our our council
  5537. 3:48:55 Unknown speaker priorities and one of those is is vacant
  5538. 3:48:57 Unknown speaker business land and vacant spaces. If if
  5539. 3:49:00 Unknown speaker they are telling us that the if the
  5540. 3:49:02 Unknown speaker applicant's telling us that the market
  5541. 3:49:03 Unknown speaker can't meet the commercial space, you
  5542. 3:49:07 Unknown speaker know, I think we should listen to that
  5543. 3:49:08 Unknown speaker signal too,
  5544. 3:49:09 Unknown speaker especially so that we can support the
  5545. 3:49:10 Unknown speaker existing parts of our community that do
  5546. 3:49:12 Unknown speaker have vacant business area, vacant
  5547. 3:49:15 Unknown speaker [clears throat] spaces that do need to
  5548. 3:49:16 Unknown speaker be reactivated. So, I think there's a
  5549. 3:49:18 Unknown speaker huge consequence if we if we don't
  5550. 3:49:20 Unknown speaker follow some of the markets.
  5551. 3:49:22 Unknown speaker Thank you. Let's go ahead and vote. And
  5552. 3:49:24 Unknown speaker this is to deny.
  5553. 3:49:29 Unknown speaker It says bill for an ordinance approving
  5554. 3:49:32 Unknown speaker the [clears throat] to deny is before
  5555. 3:49:33 Unknown speaker ordinance 2020. Yes.
  5556. 3:49:37 Unknown speaker Sorry.
  5557. 3:49:38 Unknown speaker Okay. Yes.
  5558. 3:49:39 Unknown speaker Yes. Um Okay. Okay. So, that motion uh
  5559. 3:49:42 Unknown speaker fails with council members Chris or I'm
  5560. 3:49:44 Unknown speaker sorry, myself, council member Popkin,
  5561. 3:49:47 Unknown speaker council member Kuffer, uh Mayor Prom
  5562. 3:49:50 Unknown speaker McCoy, and council member Prito in
  5563. 3:49:51 Unknown speaker opposition. So now, um Mayor Prom,
  5564. 3:49:55 Unknown speaker Mayor um I I hear all the problems here,
  5565. 3:49:58 Unknown speaker but I
  5566. 3:50:00 Unknown speaker move that I move this uh as presented
  5567. 3:50:05 Unknown speaker forward.
  5568. 3:50:06 Unknown speaker Okay. Ordinance. So, there is a motion
  5569. 3:50:08 Unknown speaker to approve ordinance 2026-73
  5570. 3:50:11 Unknown speaker uh made by Mayor Prom and seconded by
  5571. 3:50:13 Unknown speaker council member Popkin. Um let's go ahead
  5572. 3:50:15 Unknown speaker and vote.
  5573. 3:50:17 Unknown speaker We
  5574. 3:50:19 Unknown speaker there's others. Okay, hold. Okay,
  5575. 3:50:23 Unknown speaker so yeah,
  5576. 3:50:26 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen. Yes.
  5577. 3:50:28 Unknown speaker I I would just like to mention to our
  5578. 3:50:30 Unknown speaker colleagues that that we've heard from
  5579. 3:50:32 Unknown speaker the community consistently about
  5580. 3:50:33 Unknown speaker concerns related to the outcome here and
  5581. 3:50:35 Unknown speaker and if we're going to move forward, you
  5582. 3:50:37 Unknown speaker know, saying we want to change the
  5583. 3:50:39 Unknown speaker market signal, then that's, you know,
  5584. 3:50:40 Unknown speaker okay,
  5585. 3:50:41 Unknown speaker that's where we're at. So,
  5586. 3:50:41 Unknown speaker thank you.
  5587. 3:50:42 Unknown speaker Okay, let's finish our voting, please.
  5588. 3:50:48 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, it looks like everyone may
  5589. 3:50:51 Unknown speaker have voted. Um, and it looks
  5590. 3:50:54 Unknown speaker just reading making sure.
  5591. 3:50:56 Unknown speaker Oh, it said you were name name was
  5592. 3:50:58 Unknown speaker crossed out. So,
  5593. 3:51:01 Unknown speaker so we'll finish that.
  5594. 3:51:04 Unknown speaker Make me proud.
  5595. 3:51:06 Unknown speaker And this is just a concept plan. So,
  5596. 3:51:08 Unknown speaker there are opportunities to elicit public
  5597. 3:51:11 Unknown speaker feedback and looking and and adding
  5598. 3:51:14 Unknown speaker those changes to address. I mean, I Yes.
  5599. 3:51:18 Unknown speaker Because I've I've gone through several
  5600. 3:51:20 Unknown speaker of these. This isn't my first rodeo and
  5601. 3:51:22 Unknown speaker I know that I've seen developers
  5602. 3:51:24 Unknown speaker um come in make those accommodations
  5603. 3:51:27 Unknown speaker where community and in the area was
  5604. 3:51:30 Unknown speaker quite pleased with the results. So that
  5605. 3:51:33 Unknown speaker motion carries um 5 to2 with council
  5606. 3:51:36 Unknown speaker members Christrist and Marcen in
  5607. 3:51:38 Unknown speaker opposition. So um yes, council member
  5608. 3:51:41 Unknown speaker Popkin. So thank you. You're done.
  5609. 3:51:43 Unknown speaker You're good to go.
  5610. 3:51:45 Unknown speaker Thank you very much. Thank you, mayor.
  5611. 3:51:46 Unknown speaker I'd like to make a motion to extend the
  5612. 3:51:48 Unknown speaker meeting. Okay. So, we have a motion to
  5613. 3:51:49 Unknown speaker extend the meeting past 11 o'clock and
  5614. 3:51:51 Unknown speaker it was seconded by um Council Member
  5615. 3:51:53 Unknown speaker Kulkoffer. Typically, I do not approve
  5616. 3:51:56 Unknown speaker these things, but we do have a deadline
  5617. 3:51:58 Unknown speaker with our budget and we've got to get
  5618. 3:52:01 Unknown speaker these done. So,
  5619. 3:52:03 Unknown speaker um
  5620. 3:52:11 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries 5 to2 with
  5621. 3:52:13 Unknown speaker Council Member Kristen Prito in
  5622. 3:52:15 Unknown speaker opposition. And I I mean you guys I I
  5623. 3:52:17 Unknown speaker got to be in Denver tomorrow at 7:30 for
  5624. 3:52:19 Unknown speaker Metro Mayor's Caucus. [laughter]
  5625. 3:52:22 Unknown speaker So yeah, and I still voted yes, but we
  5626. 3:52:24 Unknown speaker have stuff to get done. So we are now on
  5627. 3:52:26 Unknown speaker to item or general business item 12A,
  5628. 3:52:30 Unknown speaker the second public hearing on proposed um
  5629. 3:52:34 Unknown speaker TW uh 2027 budget for the 2027 through
  5630. 3:52:38 Unknown speaker 2031 proposed
  5631. 3:52:41 Unknown speaker um proposed capital improvement program
  5632. 3:52:43 Unknown speaker and final council direction.
  5633. 3:52:49 Unknown speaker Which one is it?
  5634. 3:52:59 Unknown speaker Which one is it?
  5635. 3:53:02 Unknown speaker It's a PDF.
  5636. 3:53:06 Unknown speaker Not that one though.
  5637. 3:53:08 Unknown speaker Us three.
  5638. 3:53:10 Unknown speaker Which one?
  5639. 3:53:14 Unknown speaker Stay put.
  5640. 3:53:25 Unknown speaker There it is.
  5641. 3:53:29 Unknown speaker I don't
  5642. 3:53:33 Unknown speaker have to
  5643. 3:53:35 Unknown speaker control F.
  5644. 3:53:38 Unknown speaker I think it's F.
  5645. 3:53:42 Unknown speaker All
  5646. 3:53:47 Unknown speaker right. Good evening, mayor and city
  5647. 3:53:49 Unknown speaker council. Sandra Cuentes, budget manager.
  5648. 3:53:51 Unknown speaker This should be a pretty short
  5649. 3:53:53 Unknown speaker presentation. Um, we do need to go over
  5650. 3:53:57 Unknown speaker a couple of changes that took effect to
  5651. 3:54:00 Unknown speaker the proposed budget. We do need to hold
  5652. 3:54:02 Unknown speaker that second public hearing. And then
  5653. 3:54:04 Unknown speaker lastly, we are going to ask you for
  5654. 3:54:06 Unknown speaker final direction on the 2027 budget so we
  5655. 3:54:10 Unknown speaker can start preparing ordinances and
  5656. 3:54:11 Unknown speaker resolutions to adopt it. So, we'll go
  5657. 3:54:14 Unknown speaker ahead and start on the changes. So,
  5658. 3:54:16 Unknown speaker there were two additional changes that
  5659. 3:54:18 Unknown speaker were made to the proposed budget. These
  5660. 3:54:20 Unknown speaker affected two funds, the um electric and
  5661. 3:54:23 Unknown speaker broadband fund as well as the Longmont
  5662. 3:54:26 Unknown speaker Urban Renewal Authority Fund, also known
  5663. 3:54:28 Unknown speaker as LURA fund. So, I'm going to go
  5664. 3:54:30 Unknown speaker through these changes fairly quickly.
  5665. 3:54:32 Unknown speaker Um, so on the electric and broadband
  5666. 3:54:35 Unknown speaker fund, we uh did include almost $2.1
  5667. 3:54:39 Unknown speaker million in the proposed budget for CAP
  5668. 3:54:42 Unknown speaker project 103, which is the distributed
  5669. 3:54:46 Unknown speaker energy resources innovation and solution
  5670. 3:54:48 Unknown speaker CIP project. We are reducing um this
  5671. 3:54:52 Unknown speaker budget by $1.18 million, which brings
  5672. 3:54:55 Unknown speaker the funding for this project to 916,000
  5673. 3:54:59 Unknown speaker for 2027. Um, this does change the total
  5674. 3:55:03 Unknown speaker amount proposed for expenses to 151.8
  5675. 3:55:07 Unknown speaker million. And the reason for this change
  5676. 3:55:10 Unknown speaker is because we did need to appropriate um
  5677. 3:55:13 Unknown speaker some funds associated with TRP131
  5678. 3:55:16 Unknown speaker um which is the first and mains transit
  5679. 3:55:18 Unknown speaker station cap um that needed this funding.
  5680. 3:55:22 Unknown speaker Uh this was included in the
  5681. 3:55:23 Unknown speaker appropriation that was brought to you
  5682. 3:55:25 Unknown speaker tonight. Um so that's the change in the
  5683. 3:55:27 Unknown speaker electric and broadband fund. And then
  5684. 3:55:29 Unknown speaker for the Lura fund, um, based on
  5685. 3:55:32 Unknown speaker preliminary, uh, assessed valuation
  5686. 3:55:34 Unknown speaker information from the county, the
  5687. 3:55:36 Unknown speaker Longmont Urban Renewal Authority may
  5688. 3:55:38 Unknown speaker receive an estimated amount of 312,861
  5689. 3:55:44 Unknown speaker of tax increment financing revenue and
  5690. 3:55:47 Unknown speaker this is tied to the Southern Urban
  5691. 3:55:49 Unknown speaker Renewal number one. We did increase both
  5692. 3:55:52 Unknown speaker the revenue and the expense in this fund
  5693. 3:55:54 Unknown speaker by this amount. Um, and the specific use
  5694. 3:55:57 Unknown speaker of these funds has not yet been
  5695. 3:55:59 Unknown speaker identified, but we did want to include
  5696. 3:56:01 Unknown speaker this and add it to the 2027 budget. So,
  5697. 3:56:04 Unknown speaker the appropriation is in place in case um
  5698. 3:56:07 Unknown speaker a need arises. A complete list of these
  5699. 3:56:10 Unknown speaker two changes and those that we brought to
  5700. 3:56:12 Unknown speaker you last week um was included in your
  5701. 3:56:15 Unknown speaker packet on on attachment O. And we wanted
  5702. 3:56:18 Unknown speaker to see if you had any questions on any
  5703. 3:56:19 Unknown speaker of these.
  5704. 3:56:21 Unknown speaker Do we have any questions from council? I
  5705. 3:56:24 Unknown speaker don't see anyone. So great.
  5706. 3:56:26 Unknown speaker Yeah. No. [laughter]
  5707. 3:56:29 Unknown speaker So um if there are no qua questions, we
  5708. 3:56:32 Unknown speaker are going to move on to the public
  5709. 3:56:33 Unknown speaker hearing. So the public hearing can be on
  5710. 3:56:35 Unknown speaker any of the topics um shown on the slide.
  5711. 3:56:39 Unknown speaker So the 2027 budget um the amount you see
  5712. 3:56:43 Unknown speaker on the slide does include the changes
  5713. 3:56:45 Unknown speaker that we just talked about as well as
  5714. 3:56:47 Unknown speaker last week's um the 2027 to 2031 capital
  5715. 3:56:52 Unknown speaker improvement program. So, of the total um
  5716. 3:56:55 Unknown speaker $543.7
  5717. 3:56:57 Unknown speaker million budget, 93.8 million of that is
  5718. 3:57:01 Unknown speaker for capital improvement program. Um they
  5719. 3:57:03 Unknown speaker can also talk about the 27 pay plan as
  5720. 3:57:06 Unknown speaker well as the 27 financial policies. So,
  5721. 3:57:09 Unknown speaker with that, I will let you hold that
  5722. 3:57:11 Unknown speaker second public hearing.
  5723. 3:57:14 Unknown speaker Very good. Thank you.
  5724. 3:57:23 Unknown speaker Okay,
  5725. 3:57:25 Unknown speaker thank you.
  5726. 3:57:27 Unknown speaker Okay, so do we have any questions from
  5727. 3:57:30 Unknown speaker council? So, throw that out again. Okay.
  5728. 3:57:32 Unknown speaker Um, I will now open the public hearing
  5729. 3:57:34 Unknown speaker on ordinance 2026-62.
  5730. 3:57:37 Unknown speaker Um, nobody had signed up. Wait, I'm
  5731. 3:57:40 Unknown speaker sorry. Yeah. No, that's right.
  5732. 3:57:43 Unknown speaker Brother,
  5733. 3:57:45 Unknown speaker didn't follow my page.
  5734. 3:57:50 Unknown speaker I apologize.
  5735. 3:57:51 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5736. 3:57:52 Unknown speaker Okay, so we are now back to so the um oh
  5737. 3:57:56 Unknown speaker gosh, do we have any for the second
  5738. 3:57:59 Unknown speaker public hear um second public hearing on
  5739. 3:58:02 Unknown speaker our um 2027 proposed budget and proposed
  5740. 3:58:06 Unknown speaker 2027 2031 capital improvement program.
  5741. 3:58:10 Unknown speaker There was no one signed up on the list.
  5742. 3:58:12 Unknown speaker Is there anyone in the audience who
  5743. 3:58:13 Unknown speaker wishes to speak to that? Nope. Seeing
  5744. 3:58:16 Unknown speaker none, I will now close the public
  5745. 3:58:17 Unknown speaker hearing. Um, now are there any
  5746. 3:58:22 Unknown speaker um motions for final direction regarding
  5747. 3:58:24 Unknown speaker the budget and CIP? Council member
  5748. 3:58:27 Unknown speaker Marine.
  5749. 3:58:28 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, do you want the
  5750. 3:58:30 Unknown speaker motion first or the explanation first?
  5751. 3:58:31 Unknown speaker Motion first.
  5752. 3:58:32 Unknown speaker Motion first, please.
  5753. 3:58:33 Unknown speaker Okay. I move that council direct the
  5754. 3:58:35 Unknown speaker city manager to phase out the airport
  5755. 3:58:38 Unknown speaker funds administrative transfer fee waiver
  5756. 3:58:41 Unknown speaker by setting the airport ATF at 75% of the
  5757. 3:58:44 Unknown speaker standard rate for 2027 and 100%
  5758. 3:58:48 Unknown speaker beginning in 2028 with any necessary
  5759. 3:58:51 Unknown speaker interfund receivable or repayment
  5760. 3:58:53 Unknown speaker structure handled consistent with city
  5761. 3:58:54 Unknown speaker financial policies and to incorporate
  5762. 3:58:57 Unknown speaker the increased cost into the airport
  5763. 3:58:59 Unknown speaker funds rates and charges planning.
  5764. 3:59:01 Unknown speaker Seconded.
  5765. 3:59:03 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we have a motion to direct
  5766. 3:59:06 Unknown speaker staff to phase out the airport's um
  5767. 3:59:09 Unknown speaker airport fund administrative transfer fee
  5768. 3:59:12 Unknown speaker uh fee waiver by setting the airport ATF
  5769. 3:59:15 Unknown speaker at 75% of the standard rate for 2027 and
  5770. 3:59:20 Unknown speaker 100% beginning in 2028 with any
  5771. 3:59:23 Unknown speaker necessary interfund receivable or
  5772. 3:59:25 Unknown speaker repayment structure handling consistent
  5773. 3:59:28 Unknown speaker with handled consistent with city
  5774. 3:59:32 Unknown speaker financial policies and to incorporate
  5775. 3:59:34 Unknown speaker I'm trying to
  5776. 3:59:35 Unknown speaker trying to process. So, and to
  5777. 3:59:37 Unknown speaker incorporate the increased cost into the
  5778. 3:59:40 Unknown speaker airport funds, rates, and charges
  5779. 3:59:42 Unknown speaker planning that was seconded by Mayor Prom
  5780. 3:59:45 Unknown speaker McCoy. Go ahead and speak to that.
  5781. 3:59:47 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. This is really just a
  5782. 3:59:48 Unknown speaker follow-up to the conversation that we
  5783. 3:59:50 Unknown speaker had last week after I had the chance to
  5784. 3:59:51 Unknown speaker sit down with staff and and want to give
  5785. 3:59:53 Unknown speaker a shout out to our city manager, Harold
  5786. 3:59:55 Unknown speaker Dominguez, who who gave some different
  5787. 3:59:57 Unknown speaker options um about the the way to take
  5788. 3:59:59 Unknown speaker kind of the council consensus and
  5789. 4:00:01 Unknown speaker direction that he heard. um worked with
  5790. 4:00:03 Unknown speaker staff on a structure that I think gets
  5791. 4:00:04 Unknown speaker us there without creating I think the
  5792. 4:00:06 Unknown speaker immediate budget shock that uh my
  5793. 4:00:08 Unknown speaker teammates here were worried about. And
  5794. 4:00:10 Unknown speaker it says really clearly and honestly that
  5795. 4:00:12 Unknown speaker we mean what we say about the airport
  5796. 4:00:14 Unknown speaker being self- sustaining. Um the basic
  5797. 4:00:16 Unknown speaker [snorts] idea basically what the motion
  5798. 4:00:18 Unknown speaker does is uh in 2027 the airport will pay
  5799. 4:00:21 Unknown speaker 75% of the normal ATF. In 2028 it pays
  5800. 4:00:25 Unknown speaker 100% from that point forward no
  5801. 4:00:27 Unknown speaker discount. So, if the airport fund uh h
  5802. 4:00:31 Unknown speaker does not yet, this is the the key piece.
  5803. 4:00:33 Unknown speaker If the airport fund does not yet have
  5804. 4:00:34 Unknown speaker enough recurring revenue to absorb that
  5805. 4:00:37 Unknown speaker increase, the difference doesn't just
  5806. 4:00:39 Unknown speaker disappear. It's actually going to be
  5807. 4:00:40 Unknown speaker tracked as money owed back. If I screw
  5808. 4:00:43 Unknown speaker this up, Harold, please stop me. It's
  5809. 4:00:44 Unknown speaker going to be tracked as money owed back
  5810. 4:00:46 Unknown speaker to the general fund and then repaid
  5811. 4:00:48 Unknown speaker consistent with our financial policy.
  5812. 4:00:50 Unknown speaker So, that means it can't be repaid
  5813. 4:00:53 Unknown speaker critically with one-time funding with
  5814. 4:00:55 Unknown speaker dollars used for one time wi with
  5815. 4:00:56 Unknown speaker onetime funding. Yeah, let me jump in.
  5816. 4:00:59 Unknown speaker So, some of the conversations that
  5817. 4:01:01 Unknown speaker occurred last week
  5818. 4:01:02 Unknown speaker were really talking about utilizing fund
  5819. 4:01:04 Unknown speaker balance to kind of bridge this gap. Our
  5820. 4:01:08 Unknown speaker financial policies don't allow us to use
  5821. 4:01:11 Unknown speaker one-time funds for ongoing reasons.
  5822. 4:01:15 Unknown speaker and and so in in the conversation
  5823. 4:01:19 Unknown speaker theoretically
  5824. 4:01:21 Unknown speaker so if we move to 75% next year there
  5825. 4:01:25 Unknown speaker there's two pieces to that puzzle.
  5826. 4:01:28 Unknown speaker One is if the funds aren't available we
  5827. 4:01:31 Unknown speaker will essentially create a loan to the
  5828. 4:01:33 Unknown speaker general fund that then does give us the
  5829. 4:01:36 Unknown speaker ability to utilize the one-time funds
  5830. 4:01:39 Unknown speaker out of fund balance to repay that loan
  5831. 4:01:43 Unknown speaker and we can repay it over time. So we
  5832. 4:01:44 Unknown speaker don't need to repay it all at once. We
  5833. 4:01:46 Unknown speaker consider repayment schedule over time to
  5834. 4:01:48 Unknown speaker do that. Or the key piece is we
  5835. 4:01:52 Unknown speaker incorporate it in the the rates and
  5836. 4:01:53 Unknown speaker charges. And then if it's incorporated
  5837. 4:01:55 Unknown speaker in the rates and charges, there may be a
  5838. 4:01:57 Unknown speaker smaller loan based on what the rates and
  5839. 4:01:59 Unknown speaker charges decision that you all have to
  5840. 4:02:01 Unknown speaker make in the future dictates in terms of
  5841. 4:02:04 Unknown speaker the revenue that's available. So then in
  5842. 4:02:06 Unknown speaker 28
  5843. 4:02:08 Unknown speaker you move up the next 25%.
  5844. 4:02:11 Unknown speaker Same situation applies. If the airport
  5845. 4:02:14 Unknown speaker doesn't have the money, then we create
  5846. 4:02:15 Unknown speaker an internal loan. Then we can set the
  5847. 4:02:18 Unknown speaker repayment structure out over time so
  5848. 4:02:20 Unknown speaker that we don't indirectly become too
  5849. 4:02:22 Unknown speaker punitive to the fund. That's what I was
  5850. 4:02:25 Unknown speaker hearing is don't strangle it. So it
  5851. 4:02:28 Unknown speaker gives us the ability to set the
  5852. 4:02:30 Unknown speaker repayment schedule out over time, but if
  5853. 4:02:32 Unknown speaker the rates and charges account for it,
  5854. 4:02:33 Unknown speaker then the rates and charges will pay for
  5855. 4:02:35 Unknown speaker it.
  5856. 4:02:36 Unknown speaker Thank you. And mayor, the thing I really
  5857. 4:02:37 Unknown speaker like, the thing I really like about this
  5858. 4:02:39 Unknown speaker option is it allows us to factor in the
  5859. 4:02:42 Unknown speaker rates and charges work that we're going
  5860. 4:02:43 Unknown speaker to look towards and for us and for for
  5861. 4:02:46 Unknown speaker staff, let's be real, to be dynamic
  5862. 4:02:48 Unknown speaker about the way that that rates and
  5863. 4:02:50 Unknown speaker charges work factors into the health of
  5864. 4:02:52 Unknown speaker the airport fund. Um, so I think this is
  5865. 4:02:54 Unknown speaker a reasonable approach to get us where we
  5866. 4:02:55 Unknown speaker want to go and I would ask for a yes
  5867. 4:02:58 Unknown speaker vote.
  5868. 4:02:58 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you, Council Member Prito.
  5869. 4:03:01 Unknown speaker I'm going to use my full five minutes.
  5870. 4:03:04 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5871. 4:03:05 Unknown speaker No, I'm you know it's uh 11:05. It's
  5872. 4:03:08 Unknown speaker 11:05 right now.
  5873. 4:03:09 Unknown speaker Yeah. [laughter]
  5874. 4:03:10 Unknown speaker And I have a cold. I had a cold and I'm
  5875. 4:03:13 Unknown speaker having a hard time following what you're
  5876. 4:03:15 Unknown speaker saying, Council Member Mercing. So,
  5877. 4:03:17 Unknown speaker could you ins
  5878. 4:03:23 Unknown speaker could
  5879. 4:03:24 Unknown speaker I don't know.
  5880. 4:03:25 Unknown speaker And essentially, I guess what I'm stuck
  5881. 4:03:27 Unknown speaker what I'm stuck on is
  5882. 4:03:28 Unknown speaker Yeah. So,
  5883. 4:03:29 Unknown speaker they would pay 75%
  5884. 4:03:33 Unknown speaker right off the bat in 27,
  5885. 4:03:35 Unknown speaker which I feel like the direction council
  5886. 4:03:38 Unknown speaker was going last time was to taper down,
  5887. 4:03:42 Unknown speaker not like have them
  5888. 4:03:45 Unknown speaker pay the full 75% straight off the
  5889. 4:03:48 Unknown speaker actually kick it to um Harold,
  5890. 4:03:50 Unknown speaker please. Yes. [laughter]
  5891. 4:03:51 Unknown speaker What what we would do is
  5892. 4:03:54 Unknown speaker allocate 75% of the ATF
  5893. 4:04:00 Unknown speaker doesn't necessarily mean that it has to
  5894. 4:04:02 Unknown speaker be paid
  5895. 4:04:04 Unknown speaker in 27.
  5896. 4:04:06 Unknown speaker There's two choices that that will come
  5897. 4:04:08 Unknown speaker into play. Coun, this is the piece where
  5898. 4:04:11 Unknown speaker the rates and charges come in.
  5899. 4:04:14 Unknown speaker If you approve rates and charges that
  5900. 4:04:16 Unknown speaker are have the ability to cover the 25%
  5901. 4:04:20 Unknown speaker that'll pay for it and that doesn't
  5902. 4:04:22 Unknown speaker reduce any of the revenue.
  5903. 4:04:24 Unknown speaker If you all don't approve rates and
  5904. 4:04:27 Unknown speaker charges that covers that 25%.
  5905. 4:04:30 Unknown speaker Then what we would do is create a loan
  5906. 4:04:32 Unknown speaker from the general fund to the airport
  5907. 4:04:35 Unknown speaker fund. And then we would set a repayment
  5908. 4:04:38 Unknown speaker schedule from the airport fund to the
  5909. 4:04:41 Unknown speaker general fund to pay that back over time,
  5910. 4:04:44 Unknown speaker which does give us the ability to use
  5911. 4:04:46 Unknown speaker fund balance. So we can structure the
  5912. 4:04:48 Unknown speaker loan payment so it's not overly punitive
  5913. 4:04:51 Unknown speaker to the airport fund.
  5914. 4:04:54 Unknown speaker Did that help? It is some Yeah, I'm
  5915. 4:04:58 Unknown speaker gonna you'll just keep your time.
  5916. 4:05:01 Unknown speaker Yeah, thank you.
  5917. 4:05:03 Unknown speaker So, and I I guess I think my main
  5918. 4:05:05 Unknown speaker concern and if you can confirm Harold,
  5919. 4:05:09 Unknown speaker my main concern is like the ATF was so
  5920. 4:05:13 Unknown speaker that we could have the match for grants
  5921. 4:05:17 Unknown speaker for capital improvement projects.
  5922. 4:05:21 Unknown speaker Now,
  5923. 4:05:23 Unknown speaker we're essentially like doing away with
  5924. 4:05:25 Unknown speaker that a little bit and we're going to
  5925. 4:05:27 Unknown speaker subsidize that with the landing fees or
  5926. 4:05:31 Unknown speaker any other fees if approved. I just don't
  5927. 4:05:36 Unknown speaker see like how 10 years down the road like
  5928. 4:05:39 Unknown speaker how this financial picture fits with all
  5929. 4:05:41 Unknown speaker the investments that we're wanting to
  5930. 4:05:43 Unknown speaker make in the airport.
  5931. 4:05:46 Unknown speaker And and and it's like a credit card,
  5932. 4:05:48 Unknown speaker right? like we're going to be loaning
  5933. 4:05:51 Unknown speaker the airport essentially the monies or
  5934. 4:05:54 Unknown speaker it's only for two years.
  5935. 4:05:56 Unknown speaker So it' only be for two years and so
  5936. 4:05:58 Unknown speaker well it'd only be two years worth of
  5937. 4:06:00 Unknown speaker debt.
  5938. 4:06:01 Unknown speaker I I think the answer the piece is and
  5939. 4:06:04 Unknown speaker I've said it a few a few times with in
  5940. 4:06:06 Unknown speaker the retreat and then in other
  5941. 4:06:08 Unknown speaker conversations without the regarding the
  5942. 4:06:11 Unknown speaker airport. Um what came out of it from the
  5943. 4:06:16 Unknown speaker standpoint of what we want to achieve.
  5944. 4:06:20 Unknown speaker There is no way we can achieve that
  5945. 4:06:21 Unknown speaker without
  5946. 4:06:23 Unknown speaker adjusting
  5947. 4:06:24 Unknown speaker rates and charges. And
  5948. 4:06:27 Unknown speaker that also includes the ATF tube. Mhm.
  5949. 4:06:31 Unknown speaker You know what what I think what the the
  5950. 4:06:34 Unknown speaker intent of the motion is is to give us
  5951. 4:06:36 Unknown speaker the flexibility to structure it to move
  5952. 4:06:38 Unknown speaker into it and structure it where it is not
  5953. 4:06:42 Unknown speaker overly burdensome to the airport in the
  5954. 4:06:44 Unknown speaker first 3 years.
  5955. 4:06:46 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5956. 4:06:46 Unknown speaker In terms of how we reset the payment
  5957. 4:06:48 Unknown speaker structure on this, what I would say to
  5958. 4:06:51 Unknown speaker this just generally is the key to doing
  5959. 4:06:53 Unknown speaker anything is going to be in rates and
  5960. 4:06:55 Unknown speaker charges. Um because when you look at the
  5961. 4:06:58 Unknown speaker amount of investment that it's going to
  5962. 4:07:00 Unknown speaker take to if I just took your the top two
  5963. 4:07:02 Unknown speaker issues, the Southside and the FBO,
  5964. 4:07:05 Unknown speaker you're we're probably going to need
  5965. 4:07:07 Unknown speaker somewhere in the neighborhood um
  5966. 4:07:10 Unknown speaker of around $10 million to to do that. And
  5967. 4:07:13 Unknown speaker so that's going to have to be structured
  5968. 4:07:16 Unknown speaker into the rates and charges along with
  5969. 4:07:18 Unknown speaker everything else.
  5970. 4:07:19 Unknown speaker And and that's inherently been the
  5971. 4:07:21 Unknown speaker challenge with the airport is it's not
  5972. 4:07:23 Unknown speaker generating enough revenue to do these
  5973. 4:07:25 Unknown speaker things.
  5974. 4:07:29 Unknown speaker Okay. Well, I feel confident that you
  5975. 4:07:31 Unknown speaker and uh that staff and council member
  5976. 4:07:34 Unknown speaker Marc worked through that process in the
  5977. 4:07:37 Unknown speaker event this does not pencil out like we
  5978. 4:07:42 Unknown speaker intended. We could always come back and
  5979. 4:07:44 Unknown speaker change.
  5980. 4:07:44 Unknown speaker We can change it next budget year or we
  5981. 4:07:46 Unknown speaker can change it midyear if there's
  5982. 4:07:47 Unknown speaker something that's not that's not there.
  5983. 4:07:49 Unknown speaker But I do think this lets us
  5984. 4:07:51 Unknown speaker it gives us the ability to do two
  5985. 4:07:53 Unknown speaker things. either recover it in rates and
  5986. 4:07:55 Unknown speaker charges or set up a loan and then set
  5987. 4:07:57 Unknown speaker the loan payments accordingly so that
  5988. 4:08:00 Unknown speaker it's not overly burdensome.
  5989. 4:08:02 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5990. 4:08:03 Unknown speaker That's going to be dependent on
  5991. 4:08:04 Unknown speaker council's action
  5992. 4:08:05 Unknown speaker of course
  5993. 4:08:06 Unknown speaker on the rates and charges.
  5994. 4:08:07 Unknown speaker Yes. Yeah.
  5995. 4:08:08 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you.
  5996. 4:08:08 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um Council Member Christ.
  5997. 4:08:12 Unknown speaker Oh, thank you, Mayor.
  5998. 4:08:14 Unknown speaker Uh [sighs] it's my business
  5999. 4:08:16 Unknown speaker sensibilities. I always think we do
  6000. 4:08:18 Unknown speaker revenue first and then add expenses
  6001. 4:08:21 Unknown speaker later. And I was rather impressed with
  6002. 4:08:24 Unknown speaker uh Commissioner Staltzman who I heard
  6003. 4:08:26 Unknown speaker her say to someone, "We're not going to
  6004. 4:08:28 Unknown speaker commit any money to something that we
  6005. 4:08:30 Unknown speaker don't have funding for." And I feel that
  6006. 4:08:33 Unknown speaker this is that type of situation. We need
  6007. 4:08:35 Unknown speaker to work out our funding before we
  6008. 4:08:39 Unknown speaker we propose to put more liabilities,
  6009. 4:08:42 Unknown speaker expenses on the airport. So, I'm not
  6010. 4:08:45 Unknown speaker going to support this.
  6011. 4:08:46 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um Council Member
  6012. 4:08:48 Unknown speaker Koffer,
  6013. 4:08:51 Unknown speaker thank you. Um
  6014. 4:08:53 Unknown speaker h [laughter]
  6015. 4:08:54 Unknown speaker how many city- owned airports have and
  6016. 4:08:56 Unknown speaker use ATFs? Are we are we unique at this?
  6017. 4:09:00 Unknown speaker Do most uh municipal owned airports do
  6018. 4:09:04 Unknown speaker ATF?
  6019. 4:09:05 Unknown speaker They do some version of it. So some
  6020. 4:09:07 Unknown speaker cities will do an indirect cost
  6021. 4:09:09 Unknown speaker allocation um which is essentially what
  6022. 4:09:12 Unknown speaker we do in the ATF and and so almost every
  6023. 4:09:15 Unknown speaker city in a funding accounting system
  6024. 4:09:17 Unknown speaker accounts for the expenses associated
  6025. 4:09:20 Unknown speaker with the operations that are borne by
  6026. 4:09:23 Unknown speaker other areas and and so I will tell you
  6027. 4:09:25 Unknown speaker that that the two that I worked with
  6028. 4:09:28 Unknown speaker before they had some version of this.
  6029. 4:09:30 Unknown speaker And does the airport pay that back?
  6030. 4:09:34 Unknown speaker pay it back.
  6031. 4:09:35 Unknown speaker Pay pay the full um cost.
  6032. 4:09:37 Unknown speaker Yep.
  6033. 4:09:38 Unknown speaker And for for this um 75% I'm sorry it's
  6034. 4:09:43 Unknown speaker late. Is it
  6035. 4:09:44 Unknown speaker they're we're going to cover 75% for the
  6036. 4:09:46 Unknown speaker first year um or they have to cover the
  6037. 4:09:50 Unknown speaker 75 in the first year.
  6038. 4:09:54 Unknown speaker So we're giving them a 25% discount.
  6039. 4:09:57 Unknown speaker 25% increase to the current ATF.
  6040. 4:10:00 Unknown speaker Got it. Okay.
  6041. 4:10:00 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, Council Member
  6042. 4:10:04 Unknown speaker Marcen, and then this is your second
  6043. 4:10:05 Unknown speaker time, correct? Yes.
  6044. 4:10:06 Unknown speaker Yeah. Thank [clears throat] you, Mayor.
  6045. 4:10:07 Unknown speaker I'll just say, you know, I I think I
  6046. 4:10:10 Unknown speaker trust our staff to execute this
  6047. 4:10:12 Unknown speaker effectively and to hear our direction
  6048. 4:10:14 Unknown speaker and to say we're going to move, you
  6049. 4:10:16 Unknown speaker know, and to come back to us if it's not
  6050. 4:10:18 Unknown speaker working or if, let's say, we go down the
  6051. 4:10:19 Unknown speaker rates and charges road and we don't
  6052. 4:10:21 Unknown speaker necessarily get to a space that's going
  6053. 4:10:22 Unknown speaker to cover the the cost increase. I I I I
  6054. 4:10:24 Unknown speaker trust our staff to do that. I think what
  6055. 4:10:27 Unknown speaker this does,
  6056. 4:10:29 Unknown speaker you know, I I I'm sympathetic to the
  6057. 4:10:31 Unknown speaker argument that we should figure out our
  6058. 4:10:33 Unknown speaker rates and charges conversations before
  6059. 4:10:35 Unknown speaker we set a policy direction like this. The
  6060. 4:10:38 Unknown speaker problem is we have a budget. We have a
  6061. 4:10:39 Unknown speaker budget in front of us now,
  6062. 4:10:41 Unknown speaker not in a month or three months whenever
  6063. 4:10:43 Unknown speaker rates and charges comes back to us and
  6064. 4:10:45 Unknown speaker we move forward on that direction.
  6065. 4:10:47 Unknown speaker Right? So, I think we the staff is
  6066. 4:10:48 Unknown speaker asking for final budget direction
  6067. 4:10:50 Unknown speaker tonight. This has been a stated priority
  6068. 4:10:52 Unknown speaker or at least a stated goal of many of us
  6069. 4:10:54 Unknown speaker up here. We'll see if it's a stated goal
  6070. 4:10:55 Unknown speaker of the majority, but um I I think this
  6071. 4:10:57 Unknown speaker is the right thing to do. Thanks.
  6072. 4:10:58 Unknown speaker Okay. Yes, I agree. So, I'm not going to
  6073. 4:11:01 Unknown speaker say anything more because I agree. So,
  6074. 4:11:03 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  6075. 4:11:03 Unknown speaker um Council Member Popkin,
  6076. 4:11:05 Unknown speaker very little to add here. I think Council
  6077. 4:11:07 Unknown speaker Member Marson said what most of what I
  6078. 4:11:08 Unknown speaker was going to say. I just want to note
  6079. 4:11:09 Unknown speaker that when we're talking about adding to
  6080. 4:11:11 Unknown speaker 70 when we're going to 75% then going to
  6081. 4:11:13 Unknown speaker 100%. It's actually the inverse of what
  6082. 4:11:15 Unknown speaker people might think like we're to phase
  6083. 4:11:17 Unknown speaker out to phase out the subsidy, you move
  6084. 4:11:20 Unknown speaker to 100% not to 0%.
  6085. 4:11:23 Unknown speaker um because of how this is structured.
  6086. 4:11:24 Unknown speaker And so that's what I just wanted to
  6087. 4:11:25 Unknown speaker clarify for my council uh teammates
  6088. 4:11:28 Unknown speaker here, especially at this hour. So I hope
  6089. 4:11:30 Unknown speaker that is helpful.
  6090. 4:11:30 Unknown speaker Yes. And um I'm going to regard us back
  6091. 4:11:33 Unknown speaker to our operating agreements and city
  6092. 4:11:35 Unknown speaker council norms. Um no need to fix, save,
  6093. 4:11:38 Unknown speaker rescue, or set others straight, but I
  6094. 4:11:39 Unknown speaker appreciate it. Thank you.
  6095. 4:11:42 Unknown speaker Okay. [laughter] Okay.
  6096. 4:11:45 Unknown speaker Nope. Um okay. Yeah. So let's go ahead
  6097. 4:11:48 Unknown speaker and vote, please.
  6098. 4:11:55 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries six to one with
  6099. 4:11:57 Unknown speaker council member Christ in opposition.
  6100. 4:11:58 Unknown speaker Okay. Um now so that do we need a motion
  6101. 4:12:03 Unknown speaker now to approve the Okay.
  6102. 4:12:06 Unknown speaker The whole
  6103. 4:12:07 Unknown speaker the whole enchilada.
  6104. 4:12:09 Unknown speaker Okay. I'm not going to say we have a
  6105. 4:12:11 Unknown speaker motion to accept the whole enchilada,
  6106. 4:12:13 Unknown speaker but um what was [laughter]
  6107. 4:12:17 Unknown speaker Oh my gosh. Yes. Yes. Okay. Um, yes. So,
  6108. 4:12:21 Unknown speaker we have a motion to approve
  6109. 4:12:24 Unknown speaker um the budget and see um I guess I'll
  6110. 4:12:28 Unknown speaker read the whole thing. The proposed 2027
  6111. 4:12:31 Unknown speaker budget and the 2027
  6112. 4:12:33 Unknown speaker 2020 uh 2031 proposed capital
  6113. 4:12:37 Unknown speaker improvement program um and including the
  6114. 4:12:40 Unknown speaker final council direction. The motion was
  6115. 4:12:42 Unknown speaker made by Mayor Prom and seconded by who
  6116. 4:12:45 Unknown speaker seconded it?
  6117. 4:12:46 Unknown speaker Oh, I no council member Prito. I didn't
  6118. 4:12:49 Unknown speaker second it. Okay. So, Mayor Prom and
  6119. 4:12:53 Unknown speaker Council Member
  6120. 4:12:55 Unknown speaker Prito. Yes, I know. Okay. Council member
  6121. 4:13:00 Unknown speaker Christ. Yes.
  6122. 4:13:01 Unknown speaker Um, thank you, Mayor. I just want to
  6123. 4:13:03 Unknown speaker clarify. We had talked earlier about the
  6124. 4:13:05 Unknown speaker ARPA interest income and we still have
  6125. 4:13:08 Unknown speaker that in account with with this budget
  6126. 4:13:10 Unknown speaker going forward waiting for direction. Is
  6127. 4:13:12 Unknown speaker that correct?
  6128. 4:13:17 Unknown speaker So that ARPA interest has already been
  6129. 4:13:19 Unknown speaker appropriated. So it's not part of the 27
  6130. 4:13:21 Unknown speaker budget. It's already existing in 26.
  6131. 4:13:25 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6132. 4:13:25 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  6133. 4:13:26 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  6134. 4:13:26 Unknown speaker Yes.
  6135. 4:13:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Say say that again, Harold.
  6136. 4:13:30 Unknown speaker And
  6137. 4:13:33 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  6138. 4:13:34 Unknown speaker she's here.
  6139. 4:13:40 Unknown speaker They did they direct us?
  6140. 4:13:42 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  6141. 4:13:42 Unknown speaker that's coming. Yes,
  6142. 4:13:44 Unknown speaker it's coming back.
  6143. 4:13:45 Unknown speaker The motion that you made was to bring it
  6144. 4:13:46 Unknown speaker back at a future agenda item. So, I'll
  6145. 4:13:48 Unknown speaker work with Julia from the library to
  6146. 4:13:49 Unknown speaker bring back a a solution and in the
  6147. 4:13:51 Unknown speaker meantime, the money just sits there.
  6148. 4:13:53 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Thank you.
  6149. 4:13:54 Unknown speaker Just wanted to clarify.
  6150. 4:13:55 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Uh, Mayor Prom,
  6151. 4:13:58 Unknown speaker no, I didn't.
  6152. 4:13:59 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Get you out of there.
  6153. 4:14:01 Unknown speaker Get out of there. Turn you off. I was
  6154. 4:14:04 Unknown speaker like, you had your light on. Okay. Um,
  6155. 4:14:07 Unknown speaker so let's go ahead and vote.
  6156. 4:14:14 Unknown speaker messing with you now. Um, okay. And that
  6157. 4:14:16 Unknown speaker item carries unanimously. We are now on
  6158. 4:14:18 Unknown speaker to the prioritized council action plan
  6159. 4:14:21 Unknown speaker and boards and commissions alignment.
  6160. 4:14:24 Unknown speaker And so, yes, any staff who does not need
  6161. 4:14:26 Unknown speaker to be here, you you are excused.
  6162. 4:14:28 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  6163. 4:14:30 Unknown speaker Yes. Go home.
  6164. 4:14:33 Unknown speaker Yeah. It feels way later.
  6165. 4:14:35 Unknown speaker It does feel way later. So, um,
  6166. 4:14:39 Unknown speaker so I'm gonna have Sandy Cedar, assistant
  6167. 4:14:42 Unknown speaker city manager, and, um, John Canana, city
  6168. 4:14:46 Unknown speaker clerk, to go ahead and kick us off this
  6169. 4:14:49 Unknown speaker conversation.
  6170. 4:14:51 Unknown speaker Thanks, mayor. Um, I appreciate that. I
  6171. 4:14:54 Unknown speaker appreciate the late hour. Um, I think
  6172. 4:14:56 Unknown speaker we're looking for two things tonight.
  6173. 4:14:58 Unknown speaker So, we have the board and commission
  6174. 4:14:59 Unknown speaker followup, which we do have a few boards
  6175. 4:15:01 Unknown speaker and commissions that are kind of waiting
  6176. 4:15:03 Unknown speaker your direction. Awaiting your direction.
  6177. 4:15:05 Unknown speaker Um and then also your prioritization of
  6178. 4:15:08 Unknown speaker your action plan. So um we gave you a
  6179. 4:15:11 Unknown speaker second set of survey um you know to be
  6180. 4:15:15 Unknown speaker able to prioritize each of the 18 items
  6181. 4:15:17 Unknown speaker in a specific order. I think the two of
  6182. 4:15:20 Unknown speaker these surveys together give you really
  6183. 4:15:22 Unknown speaker good information because there are some
  6184. 4:15:23 Unknown speaker of these items that people attributed
  6185. 4:15:25 Unknown speaker like no points to during the point
  6186. 4:15:27 Unknown speaker system one but then when forced ranking
  6187. 4:15:30 Unknown speaker you can kind of see some of the
  6188. 4:15:31 Unknown speaker priorities that are coming up here. So I
  6189. 4:15:33 Unknown speaker think Harold wanted for me just to
  6190. 4:15:35 Unknown speaker clarify a couple of these pieces because
  6191. 4:15:37 Unknown speaker for example the river corridor
  6192. 4:15:39 Unknown speaker development does include the sugar mill.
  6193. 4:15:40 Unknown speaker Just wanted to make sure that that was
  6194. 4:15:42 Unknown speaker known. Um and many of these had much
  6195. 4:15:45 Unknown speaker longer [laughter]
  6196. 4:15:47 Unknown speaker um you know titles to them. So if you
  6197. 4:15:49 Unknown speaker need any um reminders about that, please
  6198. 4:15:52 Unknown speaker let me know. Uh, the other thing I would
  6199. 4:15:54 Unknown speaker note is that council member Christ
  6200. 4:15:55 Unknown speaker caught that originally that the that the
  6201. 4:15:58 Unknown speaker original document that I gave you had 19
  6202. 4:16:00 Unknown speaker actions and there are 18 here, but we
  6203. 4:16:03 Unknown speaker just skipped number 14 somehow. So, this
  6204. 4:16:05 Unknown speaker is the correct number.
  6205. 4:16:08 Unknown speaker Double checked it in between. So, um, so
  6206. 4:16:10 Unknown speaker I think what we're looking for is is
  6207. 4:16:13 Unknown speaker there a way that council is interested
  6208. 4:16:16 Unknown speaker in prioritizing a couple things saying
  6209. 4:16:18 Unknown speaker like these are the really the big deals
  6210. 4:16:19 Unknown speaker for us so that as Herold is working
  6211. 4:16:21 Unknown speaker through staff capacity. We have clear
  6212. 4:16:24 Unknown speaker understanding that this is the priority.
  6213. 4:16:26 Unknown speaker You can just agree to this priority if
  6214. 4:16:28 Unknown speaker that's if that's how the council would
  6215. 4:16:30 Unknown speaker like to move forward um or have more
  6216. 4:16:32 Unknown speaker discussions. And so that's where we are
  6217. 4:16:34 Unknown speaker for the first part of this.
  6218. 4:16:35 Unknown speaker And I'm I'm just going to really quick.
  6219. 4:16:38 Unknown speaker So with the river corridor development,
  6220. 4:16:40 Unknown speaker so looking at the sugar mill site
  6221. 4:16:44 Unknown speaker um really I think so with the last
  6222. 4:16:46 Unknown speaker during the last council we had said you
  6223. 4:16:50 Unknown speaker know if opportunities so rather than
  6224. 4:16:52 Unknown speaker trying to actively be trying to move the
  6225. 4:16:54 Unknown speaker needle along if opportunities come up
  6226. 4:16:56 Unknown speaker and lend themselves that we would shift
  6227. 4:16:59 Unknown speaker those priorities at that time.
  6228. 4:17:01 Unknown speaker I think that's still the intention for
  6229. 4:17:03 Unknown speaker Okay. I would say for any of these
  6230. 4:17:05 Unknown speaker things, if there's something that an
  6231. 4:17:06 Unknown speaker opportunity presents itself to be able
  6232. 4:17:08 Unknown speaker to move something forward, we'll
  6233. 4:17:09 Unknown speaker certainly be bringing that back to you
  6234. 4:17:11 Unknown speaker for for kind of an additional
  6235. 4:17:12 Unknown speaker priorization in information.
  6236. 4:17:14 Unknown speaker And that is good to know.
  6237. 4:17:16 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, what you all said on the river
  6238. 4:17:18 Unknown speaker corridor is here's the stretch because
  6239. 4:17:21 Unknown speaker it's consistently been from the sugar
  6240. 4:17:23 Unknown speaker mill to Boulder County.
  6241. 4:17:25 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  6242. 4:17:26 Unknown speaker What the past council said is the sugar
  6243. 4:17:29 Unknown speaker mill is paramount in that stretch.
  6244. 4:17:33 Unknown speaker And then as capacity goes, then you you
  6245. 4:17:36 Unknown speaker move further down, but you did anchor on
  6246. 4:17:38 Unknown speaker the sugar mill component of it. And so
  6247. 4:17:42 Unknown speaker that's kind of what I wanted to clarify.
  6248. 4:17:44 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you. Um, Council
  6249. 4:17:46 Unknown speaker Member Marine,
  6250. 4:17:50 Unknown speaker it's not on sugar.
  6251. 4:17:51 Unknown speaker Okay. No, no, just anything any
  6252. 4:17:53 Unknown speaker Thanks. Um, yeah, thank you so much,
  6253. 4:17:56 Unknown speaker Mayor. I, uh, so I really appreciated
  6254. 4:17:58 Unknown speaker the first of all the process that this
  6255. 4:18:00 Unknown speaker went through. appreciated you, Mayor and
  6256. 4:18:02 Unknown speaker Sandy asking for the the forced ranking
  6257. 4:18:04 Unknown speaker as well. I thought that that was a
  6258. 4:18:05 Unknown speaker really nice addition to the process. Um,
  6259. 4:18:07 Unknown speaker I want to talk about ECE just for a
  6260. 4:18:09 Unknown speaker minute. Um, I think aspirationally and I
  6261. 4:18:12 Unknown speaker I'm glad I made it all the way to the
  6262. 4:18:14 Unknown speaker end here. Universal childcare was a
  6263. 4:18:15 Unknown speaker moonshot that I that I put on a sticky
  6264. 4:18:17 Unknown speaker note at our retreat and I'm glad that
  6265. 4:18:19 Unknown speaker we've had that we've been thinking about
  6266. 4:18:20 Unknown speaker it. I am very intrigued by the work that
  6267. 4:18:22 Unknown speaker the that the mayor of Denver and and
  6268. 4:18:25 Unknown speaker they are looking at in this space. I do
  6269. 4:18:28 Unknown speaker not believe that putting this on a list
  6270. 4:18:29 Unknown speaker of something that that staff needs to
  6271. 4:18:31 Unknown speaker prioritize at this point when there's a
  6272. 4:18:32 Unknown speaker lot of unproven ground is necessary.
  6273. 4:18:34 Unknown speaker What I will say is that I see universal
  6274. 4:18:36 Unknown speaker child care as a much more aspirational
  6275. 4:18:38 Unknown speaker endpoint to the broader ECE piece than
  6276. 4:18:40 Unknown speaker something I want our staff actively
  6277. 4:18:42 Unknown speaker thinking about or working on. I want us
  6278. 4:18:44 Unknown speaker thinking about when working on ECE
  6279. 4:18:45 Unknown speaker issues on on access and affordability on
  6280. 4:18:48 Unknown speaker slots on places we can you know include
  6281. 4:18:50 Unknown speaker it as a condition of annexation whatever
  6282. 4:18:52 Unknown speaker right but um I am I'm comfortable uh
  6283. 4:18:56 Unknown speaker taking that off staff's plate as an item
  6284. 4:18:58 Unknown speaker considering where not just where it
  6285. 4:19:00 Unknown speaker landed but just what the goal was there
  6286. 4:19:01 Unknown speaker to begin with I I I'm comfortable with
  6287. 4:19:03 Unknown speaker that if there's no objection
  6288. 4:19:05 Unknown speaker okay thank you I agree
  6289. 4:19:07 Unknown speaker and the early childhood and education
  6290. 4:19:09 Unknown speaker and childcare is sixth in this
  6291. 4:19:11 Unknown speaker prioritization
  6292. 4:19:12 Unknown speaker so it's still early childhood educ
  6293. 4:19:14 Unknown speaker and childare. Yes.
  6294. 4:19:16 Unknown speaker Yeah. And council member, well, really
  6295. 4:19:19 Unknown speaker quick, do we have any objections to
  6296. 4:19:22 Unknown speaker removing universal childare from this
  6297. 4:19:24 Unknown speaker list? Okay. So, you got that.
  6298. 4:19:27 Unknown speaker Got it.
  6299. 4:19:27 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yay. One thing like 18 more to go.
  6300. 4:19:30 Unknown speaker Um, [laughter]
  6301. 4:19:32 Unknown speaker council member Poffkin.
  6302. 4:19:34 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you, Mayor. I'm going to offer
  6303. 4:19:35 Unknown speaker another one to to slightly remove or
  6304. 4:19:37 Unknown speaker integrate. Um I I see I I had called out
  6305. 4:19:40 Unknown speaker electric grid capacity and resilience at
  6306. 4:19:42 Unknown speaker the retreat because I think it is
  6307. 4:19:43 Unknown speaker paramount like that's one of the
  6308. 4:19:45 Unknown speaker services that we control that a lot of
  6309. 4:19:47 Unknown speaker other cities don't. is going to face
  6310. 4:19:48 Unknown speaker strain. But I think seeing this listed
  6311. 4:19:51 Unknown speaker with um airport environment considering
  6312. 4:19:54 Unknown speaker we kind of prioritized electrification
  6313. 4:19:56 Unknown speaker at our working session um and I think
  6314. 4:19:58 Unknown speaker that that is an opportunity to really
  6315. 4:20:00 Unknown speaker build out that both capacity and that
  6316. 4:20:02 Unknown speaker resilience um using that as a potential
  6317. 4:20:04 Unknown speaker future hub. Um and our community
  6318. 4:20:07 Unknown speaker resilience services. I think there's
  6319. 4:20:08 Unknown speaker some layers into this and then
  6320. 4:20:09 Unknown speaker considering we continue to underground
  6321. 4:20:11 Unknown speaker as we have additional development. I'm
  6322. 4:20:13 Unknown speaker fine removing that, noting that the kind
  6323. 4:20:16 Unknown speaker of overall grid capacity and and
  6324. 4:20:18 Unknown speaker resilience is uh kind of integrated with
  6325. 4:20:21 Unknown speaker with airport environment governance
  6326. 4:20:23 Unknown speaker governance and community resilience
  6327. 4:20:24 Unknown speaker services.
  6328. 4:20:25 Unknown speaker Okay. And so to the rest of the council
  6329. 4:20:27 Unknown speaker again, do we have any objections to that
  6330. 4:20:29 Unknown speaker removal?
  6331. 4:20:30 Unknown speaker And and what I would ask ahead just
  6332. 4:20:32 Unknown speaker because it's been on your list, um I
  6333. 4:20:34 Unknown speaker think part of what we're doing when we
  6334. 4:20:36 Unknown speaker talk about systems thinking is you see
  6335. 4:20:37 Unknown speaker us incorporating it into the other
  6336. 4:20:39 Unknown speaker projects. Mhm.
  6337. 4:20:40 Unknown speaker So if you think about the first in Maine
  6338. 4:20:43 Unknown speaker and and the um mechanical heat
  6339. 4:20:45 Unknown speaker reduction, we're taking that concept of
  6340. 4:20:48 Unknown speaker SEPT and applying it into another
  6341. 4:20:50 Unknown speaker project that's ranked. So as long as I
  6342. 4:20:52 Unknown speaker have clarity that that's something that
  6343. 4:20:54 Unknown speaker you want to see, but what we're going to
  6344. 4:20:56 Unknown speaker do is actually just keep it front of
  6345. 4:20:59 Unknown speaker mind as we're looking at some of these
  6346. 4:21:00 Unknown speaker other big topics.
  6347. 4:21:01 Unknown speaker Yes. No, I that's a great idea. Thank
  6348. 4:21:04 Unknown speaker you. Um, council member
  6349. 4:21:07 Unknown speaker um Christ, you're not next, but
  6350. 4:21:09 Unknown speaker No, I have a question on that.
  6351. 4:21:10 Unknown speaker That we're about to remove.
  6352. 4:21:12 Unknown speaker Um, okay. Well, we're not going to
  6353. 4:21:14 Unknown speaker remove it yet because I think unless you
  6354. 4:21:16 Unknown speaker are you going to talk about something
  6355. 4:21:17 Unknown speaker different?
  6356. 4:21:18 Unknown speaker I am.
  6357. 4:21:19 Unknown speaker And you [laughter] are. Okay. So, let's
  6358. 4:21:21 Unknown speaker let's go ahead.
  6359. 4:21:23 Unknown speaker Okay. Whoa. Stop. Stop. Stop. So, okay.
  6360. 4:21:26 Unknown speaker We are right now at the electric grid
  6361. 4:21:29 Unknown speaker capacity and resilience. So, if you are
  6362. 4:21:31 Unknown speaker not commenting on that before we give
  6363. 4:21:35 Unknown speaker the yay or nay, please remove your your
  6364. 4:21:38 Unknown speaker name. You can come back on in just a
  6365. 4:21:40 Unknown speaker moment. I just want to see who's going
  6366. 4:21:42 Unknown speaker to be commenting on this particular
  6367. 4:21:44 Unknown speaker comment on childare.
  6368. 4:21:45 Unknown speaker Nope. No, right now I'm asking about the
  6369. 4:21:48 Unknown speaker grid. Then we can come back to
  6370. 4:21:49 Unknown speaker childcare.
  6371. 4:21:50 Unknown speaker So,
  6372. 4:21:50 Unknown speaker I know my comment was before we started
  6373. 4:21:53 Unknown speaker the grid conversation.
  6374. 4:21:55 Unknown speaker So, I know we can come back to that.
  6375. 4:21:57 Unknown speaker Thank you. So you are talking about the
  6376. 4:22:00 Unknown speaker grid capacity. Okay. Thank you, Council
  6377. 4:22:02 Unknown speaker Member Kulkoffer.
  6378. 4:22:04 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And with our meeting
  6379. 4:22:06 Unknown speaker with Plat River Power Authority, aren't
  6380. 4:22:08 Unknown speaker they prioritizing this? Like, aren't
  6381. 4:22:11 Unknown speaker they prioritizing grid resil uh
  6382. 4:22:13 Unknown speaker resilience?
  6383. 4:22:14 Unknown speaker Of course.
  6384. 4:22:15 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  6385. 4:22:15 Unknown speaker Oh,
  6386. 4:22:16 Unknown speaker so yeah. And then we're looking at what
  6387. 4:22:18 Unknown speaker our Yeah. Okay. So, thanks.
  6388. 4:22:20 Unknown speaker Yeah. Okay.
  6389. 4:22:21 Unknown speaker Just to be clear, I think my point was
  6390. 4:22:22 Unknown speaker saying it's still on the list. We're
  6391. 4:22:24 Unknown speaker just going to incorporate it in
  6392. 4:22:25 Unknown speaker different ways and we're never going to
  6393. 4:22:27 Unknown speaker lose it from a core operational
  6394. 4:22:28 Unknown speaker function.
  6395. 4:22:29 Unknown speaker Yes. I mean what we're doing locally and
  6396. 4:22:31 Unknown speaker operationally within our systems that is
  6397. 4:22:34 Unknown speaker okay. So now do we have any objections
  6398. 4:22:37 Unknown speaker to removing this item from the list and
  6399. 4:22:39 Unknown speaker kind of interweaving it throughout.
  6400. 4:22:41 Unknown speaker Okay. So no objections. So now we're
  6401. 4:22:43 Unknown speaker done with that. One more thing, 16 more
  6402. 4:22:46 Unknown speaker to go. Um council member now you can put
  6403. 4:22:49 Unknown speaker your names back in here. U council
  6404. 4:22:51 Unknown speaker member Christ. Thank you, mayor. So, I
  6405. 4:22:54 Unknown speaker have a similar type question in that I'm
  6406. 4:22:57 Unknown speaker looking at um downtown projects and when
  6407. 4:23:00 Unknown speaker I look at our big list, which we had and
  6408. 4:23:03 Unknown speaker I don't I couldn't find the one that had
  6409. 4:23:05 Unknown speaker the dates on it, you know. So, uh but
  6410. 4:23:08 Unknown speaker under
  6411. 4:23:11 Unknown speaker uh complete downtown projects, it
  6412. 4:23:13 Unknown speaker included first and main transit station
  6413. 4:23:16 Unknown speaker and um safety and justice center. And
  6414. 4:23:20 Unknown speaker yeah, anyway, I'm wondering if we can't
  6415. 4:23:22 Unknown speaker just um
  6416. 4:23:24 Unknown speaker cuz downtown projects I did I was like I
  6417. 4:23:27 Unknown speaker don't remember what that is. And what I
  6418. 4:23:28 Unknown speaker found out is it actually includes first
  6419. 4:23:30 Unknown speaker and main transformation and hotel long
  6420. 4:23:33 Unknown speaker and Kaufman Street and um it's pretty
  6421. 4:23:36 Unknown speaker much the first and main transformation
  6422. 4:23:39 Unknown speaker in a bigger lens is what I would say. So
  6423. 4:23:42 Unknown speaker can we combine those? Um and also we're
  6424. 4:23:45 Unknown speaker in the middle of first and main
  6425. 4:23:47 Unknown speaker transformation. I think that's probably
  6426. 4:23:49 Unknown speaker going to take you at least all year. Um,
  6427. 4:23:52 Unknown speaker but below that, the Ride Longmont and
  6428. 4:23:54 Unknown speaker the Vision Zero, I know Vision Zero is
  6429. 4:23:56 Unknown speaker at that tender spot too where it's
  6430. 4:23:58 Unknown speaker developing, but Ride Longmont, are we
  6431. 4:24:00 Unknown speaker just looking to expand it? I mean, is
  6432. 4:24:02 Unknown speaker that going to take a lot of capacity?
  6433. 4:24:06 Unknown speaker Can I address the first one about the
  6434. 4:24:07 Unknown speaker downtown project?
  6435. 4:24:09 Unknown speaker Council member Pockin brought up this
  6436. 4:24:10 Unknown speaker also in an email to me around, you know,
  6437. 4:24:12 Unknown speaker that that that seems like double
  6438. 4:24:14 Unknown speaker counting sort of. Um, and I would say
  6439. 4:24:16 Unknown speaker that when you started this process, many
  6440. 4:24:19 Unknown speaker of those projects weren't completed and
  6441. 4:24:21 Unknown speaker many of them have [laughter] completed
  6442. 4:24:22 Unknown speaker since that time. I do think it makes
  6443. 4:24:24 Unknown speaker sense to go ahead and combine those and
  6444. 4:24:26 Unknown speaker would be happy to do that and remove
  6445. 4:24:27 Unknown speaker downtown projects specifically.
  6446. 4:24:29 Unknown speaker Do we have any objections to combining
  6447. 4:24:33 Unknown speaker downtown projects and first and main
  6448. 4:24:35 Unknown speaker transformation? So, do we have any Oh,
  6449. 4:24:38 Unknown speaker go ahead.
  6450. 4:24:39 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, I was going to say I was g I
  6451. 4:24:42 Unknown speaker was going to say what Sandy said. Um I I
  6452. 4:24:44 Unknown speaker did want to point out once again that u
  6453. 4:24:47 Unknown speaker when we talk about first and main
  6454. 4:24:49 Unknown speaker transit, we're we're talking three years
  6455. 4:24:52 Unknown speaker at least.
  6456. 4:24:53 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6457. 4:24:54 Unknown speaker Multiple pieces too.
  6458. 4:24:55 Unknown speaker Okay. Um and then I did see an
  6459. 4:24:58 Unknown speaker objection. Council member Marcy.
  6460. 4:24:59 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I I think part of it
  6461. 4:25:02 Unknown speaker is the language of downtown projects. I
  6462. 4:25:04 Unknown speaker understand what we're meaning by that
  6463. 4:25:05 Unknown speaker term. I think if we were to combine
  6464. 4:25:07 Unknown speaker first in Maine and downtown projects
  6465. 4:25:09 Unknown speaker into one core priority, we lose the
  6466. 4:25:11 Unknown speaker thread. Um, to some degree, I don't
  6467. 4:25:14 Unknown speaker know, it's 11:27 at night. I'm not going
  6468. 4:25:16 Unknown speaker to fight it. Whatever.
  6469. 4:25:17 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6470. 4:25:18 Unknown speaker We would make sure that those projects
  6471. 4:25:19 Unknown speaker continue to be sub projects. Like we
  6472. 4:25:21 Unknown speaker would actually combine them as opposed
  6473. 4:25:23 Unknown speaker to delete one.
  6474. 4:25:25 Unknown speaker Okay. So, with that layer of
  6475. 4:25:27 Unknown speaker information, do we have any objections?
  6476. 4:25:29 Unknown speaker Combine them.
  6477. 4:25:30 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6478. 4:25:30 Unknown speaker So, on this Yes. Go ahead. Council
  6479. 4:25:33 Unknown speaker member Chris Pto.
  6480. 4:25:35 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  6481. 4:25:36 Unknown speaker I wonder because when we think about the
  6482. 4:25:39 Unknown speaker the river corridor and the is it the mur
  6483. 4:25:42 Unknown speaker or whatever
  6484. 4:25:43 Unknown speaker m
  6485. 4:25:44 Unknown speaker uhhuh muir
  6486. 4:25:45 Unknown speaker um I I think of like first and main
  6487. 4:25:48 Unknown speaker transform transformation as a part of
  6488. 4:25:51 Unknown speaker that because this is development that's
  6489. 4:25:53 Unknown speaker going to start to go east.
  6490. 4:25:55 Unknown speaker Um I when we say downtown first in Maine
  6491. 4:25:59 Unknown speaker and up to Kenrat is not downtown. this
  6492. 4:26:03 Unknown speaker is like this new redevelopment
  6493. 4:26:06 Unknown speaker big thing that's happening. So just in
  6494. 4:26:09 Unknown speaker my brain of brains, I would combine the
  6495. 4:26:12 Unknown speaker river corridor with the first and main
  6496. 4:26:14 Unknown speaker transformation
  6497. 4:26:15 Unknown speaker more than I would with the downtown
  6498. 4:26:17 Unknown speaker projects because downtown projects also
  6499. 4:26:19 Unknown speaker includes the what we were just talking
  6500. 4:26:21 Unknown speaker about in our preession with the
  6501. 4:26:23 Unknown speaker potential housing site that's going to
  6502. 4:26:25 Unknown speaker go and and other things. So what is your
  6503. 4:26:28 Unknown speaker take, Harold?
  6504. 4:26:30 Unknown speaker Yes. So, as we as we look at First and
  6505. 4:26:33 Unknown speaker Maine, we're in active conversations
  6506. 4:26:34 Unknown speaker with um the DDA in terms of what we
  6507. 4:26:38 Unknown speaker don't want to do is untether First and
  6508. 4:26:42 Unknown speaker Maine from the downtown. So, we really
  6509. 4:26:44 Unknown speaker are starting to see that that area is
  6510. 4:26:47 Unknown speaker really an enlargement of the downtown
  6511. 4:26:49 Unknown speaker because we need to be pretty conscious
  6512. 4:26:52 Unknown speaker on the interplay between those two
  6513. 4:26:53 Unknown speaker areas. So first and main is going to
  6514. 4:26:56 Unknown speaker interplay in two places. One with
  6515. 4:26:57 Unknown speaker downtown, one with the river corridor
  6516. 4:27:00 Unknown speaker and it will have a connection into the
  6517. 4:27:03 Unknown speaker sugar mill. So we're kind of seeing this
  6518. 4:27:05 Unknown speaker larger geographic area.
  6519. 4:27:08 Unknown speaker Okay. So do we have any objections now
  6520. 4:27:11 Unknown speaker to the downtown projects but having
  6521. 4:27:14 Unknown speaker combined with first in Maine but having
  6522. 4:27:16 Unknown speaker sub subcategories where it is
  6523. 4:27:19 Unknown speaker distinctive. So okay. So that's got it.
  6524. 4:27:23 Unknown speaker Got it. Okay. Now, Council Member
  6525. 4:27:25 Unknown speaker Popkin,
  6526. 4:27:27 Unknown speaker thank you. I'm actually going to piggy
  6527. 4:27:28 Unknown speaker back right off of Council Member Prito's
  6528. 4:27:30 Unknown speaker comments there. Um, I I'm a little
  6529. 4:27:32 Unknown speaker concerned if we continue to treat the
  6530. 4:27:35 Unknown speaker sugar mill as kind of an as
  6531. 4:27:37 Unknown speaker opportunities evolve. I think we need to
  6532. 4:27:39 Unknown speaker be a little bit more intentional for
  6533. 4:27:40 Unknown speaker three reasons. One, as we just heard in
  6534. 4:27:43 Unknown speaker tonight and over the last couple months,
  6535. 4:27:45 Unknown speaker um, two different things, uh, two themes
  6536. 4:27:47 Unknown speaker emerged. one kind of our council
  6537. 4:27:50 Unknown speaker considerations around density around
  6538. 4:27:52 Unknown speaker kind of the perimeter of our community,
  6539. 4:27:54 Unknown speaker how we are growing um and the related
  6540. 4:27:56 Unknown speaker annexations to that. Um I think when we
  6541. 4:28:00 Unknown speaker think about where are like what are our
  6542. 4:28:02 Unknown speaker opportunities there that is a a
  6543. 4:28:05 Unknown speaker different scale of opportunity if we do
  6544. 4:28:07 Unknown speaker that right and I don't think we can keep
  6545. 4:28:09 Unknown speaker kicking that down the road for the
  6546. 4:28:11 Unknown speaker second reason it's been closed for 50
  6547. 4:28:13 Unknown speaker years um to the year and there is a wear
  6548. 4:28:17 Unknown speaker and tear on those structures that is not
  6549. 4:28:19 Unknown speaker our fault but is a very much a factor of
  6550. 4:28:24 Unknown speaker timing of fire risk of property risk um
  6551. 4:28:27 Unknown speaker that makes it more and more complicated
  6552. 4:28:28 Unknown speaker and less and less likely for, you know,
  6553. 4:28:31 Unknown speaker us to retain some of that character. And
  6554. 4:28:33 Unknown speaker as we're hearing from, you know, many
  6555. 4:28:35 Unknown speaker members of the community regularly, as I
  6556. 4:28:36 Unknown speaker did throughout the campaign trail, that
  6557. 4:28:38 Unknown speaker character does matter, whether it's a
  6558. 4:28:39 Unknown speaker single grain silo on the agricultural
  6559. 4:28:41 Unknown speaker history of, you know, the Dry Creek
  6560. 4:28:43 Unknown speaker annexation or like the defining skyline
  6561. 4:28:46 Unknown speaker feature of our community. Um, even
  6562. 4:28:48 Unknown speaker though it's in an enclave. Um, and so,
  6563. 4:28:50 Unknown speaker so that's two of them. And then the
  6564. 4:28:52 Unknown speaker third one is budget sustainability. And
  6565. 4:28:53 Unknown speaker over the last two months, we have heard
  6566. 4:28:55 Unknown speaker kind of the the budget uh challenges if
  6567. 4:28:59 Unknown speaker we are kind of running and and maybe,
  6568. 4:29:01 Unknown speaker you know, hurdles we'll run into in you
  6569. 4:29:04 Unknown speaker know, maybe not this year, maybe not
  6570. 4:29:05 Unknown speaker next year, but I don't want to screw
  6571. 4:29:08 Unknown speaker over future generations of Longmont
  6572. 4:29:10 Unknown speaker residents because we just weren't ready
  6573. 4:29:13 Unknown speaker to act. I think it uh very much plays
  6574. 4:29:16 Unknown speaker into everything that council member
  6575. 4:29:17 Unknown speaker Prito was just saying of like an
  6576. 4:29:18 Unknown speaker integrated first and main extended area
  6577. 4:29:20 Unknown speaker there. how we think about the housing
  6578. 4:29:22 Unknown speaker along kind of third avenue there as we
  6579. 4:29:25 Unknown speaker start to work our way east and how we
  6580. 4:29:26 Unknown speaker think about the district thermal um that
  6581. 4:29:29 Unknown speaker um Harold and our utilities have have
  6582. 4:29:31 Unknown speaker shared with us over the last um few few
  6583. 4:29:33 Unknown speaker weeks. So I I would strongly encourage
  6584. 4:29:36 Unknown speaker even if we want to dep prioritize some
  6585. 4:29:37 Unknown speaker of the more western river corridor stuff
  6586. 4:29:39 Unknown speaker in the short term just from a staff
  6587. 4:29:41 Unknown speaker capacity standpoint. I would really urge
  6588. 4:29:43 Unknown speaker us to you know up that ante and be more
  6589. 4:29:46 Unknown speaker intentional about that and there are
  6590. 4:29:47 Unknown speaker live opportunities right now that are in
  6591. 4:29:49 Unknown speaker in discussion. Um but I would really
  6592. 4:29:52 Unknown speaker encourage that we up the ante of that so
  6593. 4:29:54 Unknown speaker that we are not um kind of just kicking
  6594. 4:29:57 Unknown speaker that can down the road for a lot of
  6595. 4:29:59 Unknown speaker different risks. Thank you.
  6596. 4:30:02 Unknown speaker Okay. [laughter]
  6597. 4:30:04 Unknown speaker Um, so are you going to be speaking on
  6598. 4:30:07 Unknown speaker I still have my child.
  6599. 4:30:08 Unknown speaker I know we're getting there. Um, keep
  6600. 4:30:10 Unknown speaker your name in the Yeah, just keep your
  6601. 4:30:12 Unknown speaker name in the queue. Just keep it there.
  6602. 4:30:13 Unknown speaker Um, are you going to be speaking to
  6603. 4:30:15 Unknown speaker this? Yes. Okay. Council member Marcy,
  6604. 4:30:17 Unknown speaker I'm going to ditto on that. Council
  6605. 4:30:19 Unknown speaker member uh Pockin. Thank you, Mayor. I I
  6606. 4:30:20 Unknown speaker I I I think had sugar mill been a
  6607. 4:30:23 Unknown speaker separate item uh listed within the
  6608. 4:30:26 Unknown speaker prioritization from uh River Corridor,
  6609. 4:30:30 Unknown speaker it would have ranked significantly high.
  6610. 4:30:31 Unknown speaker I mean, that's a guess, but I'm I'm
  6611. 4:30:33 Unknown speaker guessing it would have I my assumption
  6612. 4:30:35 Unknown speaker and my operating assumption has been
  6613. 4:30:37 Unknown speaker that once fir once staff capacity on
  6614. 4:30:39 Unknown speaker first and Maine is significantly
  6615. 4:30:40 Unknown speaker reduced, we're going to be taking a long
  6616. 4:30:42 Unknown speaker hard look at at at at sugar at sugar
  6617. 4:30:44 Unknown speaker factory. And that would be my my
  6618. 4:30:47 Unknown speaker preference personally. I don't think we
  6619. 4:30:48 Unknown speaker need to necessarily decide that tonight,
  6620. 4:30:51 Unknown speaker but if we were to rerank these and pull
  6621. 4:30:53 Unknown speaker that out, I think you would see a
  6622. 4:30:54 Unknown speaker different result. Um, that's just my
  6623. 4:30:56 Unknown speaker thought and I would I would say and I
  6624. 4:30:59 Unknown speaker would have ranked it differently
  6625. 4:31:00 Unknown speaker certainly.
  6626. 4:31:00 Unknown speaker Yes.
  6627. 4:31:01 Unknown speaker Go ahead. Yes.
  6628. 4:31:02 Unknown speaker If I can ask a question. I mean, just if
  6629. 4:31:05 Unknown speaker I can see from council, is the sugar
  6630. 4:31:07 Unknown speaker mill one of the top priorities?
  6631. 4:31:11 Unknown speaker Well, I mean I mean if if it were pulled
  6632. 4:31:13 Unknown speaker out, would we put it in the top five?
  6633. 4:31:15 Unknown speaker Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I agree.
  6634. 4:31:19 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6635. 4:31:20 Unknown speaker And maybe No, we have a me over here.
  6636. 4:31:22 Unknown speaker Yeah. [laughter]
  6637. 4:31:25 Unknown speaker Have a me.
  6638. 4:31:26 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, I'm seeing
  6639. 4:31:27 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6640. 4:31:27 Unknown speaker more than four.
  6641. 4:31:28 Unknown speaker I saw more than four.
  6642. 4:31:28 Unknown speaker More than four. So, that's
  6643. 4:31:30 Unknown speaker So, so what I'm hearing from council is
  6644. 4:31:32 Unknown speaker we will take all of these things that
  6645. 4:31:34 Unknown speaker are in the downtown area in in this
  6646. 4:31:37 Unknown speaker section of the river corridor.
  6647. 4:31:39 Unknown speaker My gut is to aggregate those together
  6648. 4:31:42 Unknown speaker and and come up with something and then
  6649. 4:31:44 Unknown speaker break them out into individual projects
  6650. 4:31:46 Unknown speaker underneath that. But that's going to be
  6651. 4:31:49 Unknown speaker an area of focus if that's kind of what
  6652. 4:31:51 Unknown speaker I'm hearing you all tell me.
  6653. 4:31:52 Unknown speaker Yes, that would be first and main
  6654. 4:31:54 Unknown speaker downtown projects, river corridor
  6655. 4:31:56 Unknown speaker development, and you could add into that
  6656. 4:31:57 Unknown speaker the um the muir
  6657. 4:32:01 Unknown speaker the innovative transportation and
  6658. 4:32:02 Unknown speaker development item too
  6659. 4:32:04 Unknown speaker if you if you chose to.
  6660. 4:32:05 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  6661. 4:32:06 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6662. 4:32:08 Unknown speaker Okay. kind of enabling.
  6663. 4:32:09 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6664. 4:32:10 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we're good on that one. Um,
  6665. 4:32:13 Unknown speaker okay. Council member Prito,
  6666. 4:32:16 Unknown speaker my child care comment.
  6667. 4:32:18 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah.
  6668. 4:32:18 Unknown speaker Just real quick, I just I was late to
  6669. 4:32:20 Unknown speaker the party. Um, the universal childare I
  6670. 4:32:23 Unknown speaker rated lower because I felt like it just
  6671. 4:32:25 Unknown speaker fits into early childhood education and
  6672. 4:32:27 Unknown speaker child care. So, I think the end goal is
  6673. 4:32:30 Unknown speaker universal, but I felt like it was
  6674. 4:32:33 Unknown speaker redundant. So, I just wanted to say that
  6675. 4:32:34 Unknown speaker like this is very important to me. I
  6676. 4:32:36 Unknown speaker think we want to get to that place, but
  6677. 4:32:38 Unknown speaker I felt like it was the same as early
  6678. 4:32:40 Unknown speaker childhood education and child care. So
  6679. 4:32:43 Unknown speaker like let's get that's that's our dream e
  6680. 4:32:45 Unknown speaker goal,
  6681. 4:32:46 Unknown speaker but let's
  6682. 4:32:46 Unknown speaker and I I think of universal child care as
  6683. 4:32:49 Unknown speaker you know think about universal health
  6684. 4:32:51 Unknown speaker care. So where it's a system where it's
  6685. 4:32:54 Unknown speaker governmentf funded and supported to to
  6686. 4:32:58 Unknown speaker to be able to um like public school
  6687. 4:33:01 Unknown speaker almost. Yeah. To be able to function. So
  6688. 4:33:02 Unknown speaker looking at it in that in that regard.
  6689. 4:33:04 Unknown speaker So, it's a little different than other
  6690. 4:33:06 Unknown speaker child um early childhood education, but
  6691. 4:33:09 Unknown speaker there are opportunities through NLC and
  6692. 4:33:12 Unknown speaker CML with our state constituency as well
  6693. 4:33:16 Unknown speaker as um what's happening in Boulder County
  6694. 4:33:18 Unknown speaker as well. So, I think there's there's
  6695. 4:33:20 Unknown speaker opportunities that we as council members
  6696. 4:33:23 Unknown speaker could be connecting and and advocating
  6697. 4:33:25 Unknown speaker for and and perhaps another year when we
  6698. 4:33:29 Unknown speaker have another visioning session. I'd like
  6699. 4:33:30 Unknown speaker to see this, you know, once we have some
  6700. 4:33:32 Unknown speaker more things off our plate to to revisit
  6701. 4:33:35 Unknown speaker this.
  6702. 4:33:35 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  6703. 4:33:36 Unknown speaker Uh-huh. Yeah. Um, Council Member Marcy,
  6704. 4:33:39 Unknown speaker I'll be very quick. Thank you, Mayor.
  6705. 4:33:40 Unknown speaker Yeah, I appreciate that. I think the,
  6706. 4:33:42 Unknown speaker you know, I I have already had
  6707. 4:33:44 Unknown speaker conversations with folks in the Denver
  6708. 4:33:46 Unknown speaker Mayor's office. Um, you know, this is a
  6709. 4:33:48 Unknown speaker big dreamy thing that I think a lot of
  6710. 4:33:49 Unknown speaker folks are thinking about. Taber makes it
  6711. 4:33:51 Unknown speaker incredibly difficult in the state of
  6712. 4:33:52 Unknown speaker Colorado to pull off. We need some
  6713. 4:33:54 Unknown speaker serious Taber reform. I think the
  6714. 4:33:56 Unknown speaker outcome of the ballot this fall will
  6715. 4:33:57 Unknown speaker tell us what direction we may wind up
  6716. 4:33:59 Unknown speaker going here. Um I I you know if we get to
  6717. 4:34:03 Unknown speaker a place where maybe the mayor of
  6718. 4:34:04 Unknown speaker Denver's office is able to move some
  6719. 4:34:05 Unknown speaker things. It could set a model that's
  6720. 4:34:07 Unknown speaker really interesting. But um yeah I agree
  6721. 4:34:09 Unknown speaker Mayor Ditto on all that.
  6722. 4:34:10 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um okay. So did that
  6723. 4:34:12 Unknown speaker help with that that piece? Okay.
  6724. 4:34:15 Unknown speaker Perfect.
  6725. 4:34:17 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6726. 4:34:18 Unknown speaker A comment.
  6727. 4:34:18 Unknown speaker Oh yeah. No. That's fine. Um Council
  6728. 4:34:21 Unknown speaker Member Popkin, did you have another
  6729. 4:34:22 Unknown speaker item?
  6730. 4:34:23 Unknown speaker I did.
  6731. 4:34:23 Unknown speaker Yes. Um yeah, I'm I'm looking at our
  6732. 4:34:25 Unknown speaker number one here, starter and affordable
  6733. 4:34:27 Unknown speaker housing. And I just get wanted to
  6734. 4:34:28 Unknown speaker clarify if if that is referring to
  6735. 4:34:32 Unknown speaker beyond first in Maine, sorry, beyond
  6736. 4:34:34 Unknown speaker true north and beyond 180 Emory. Uh like
  6737. 4:34:38 Unknown speaker are we thinking about opportunities
  6738. 4:34:40 Unknown speaker really intentionally beyond that to the
  6739. 4:34:42 Unknown speaker point that it starts to conf like I
  6740. 4:34:44 Unknown speaker don't want us to compete with the
  6741. 4:34:46 Unknown speaker projects that we need to succeed as
  6742. 4:34:48 Unknown speaker well. And so I guess I just wanted to
  6743. 4:34:50 Unknown speaker gauge like how much of that is like see
  6744. 4:34:52 Unknown speaker those projects through and start to look
  6745. 4:34:54 Unknown speaker for opportunities as they come for more
  6746. 4:34:57 Unknown speaker or like really you know pedal to the
  6747. 4:34:59 Unknown speaker metal on as many um you know I'm
  6748. 4:35:02 Unknown speaker guessing this largely implies for sale
  6749. 4:35:04 Unknown speaker starter and affordable housing if I'm
  6750. 4:35:06 Unknown speaker reading between the lines of council's
  6751. 4:35:08 Unknown speaker overall comments and sentiment. So to
  6752. 4:35:11 Unknown speaker what extent are we looking to create new
  6753. 4:35:14 Unknown speaker things that are competing with potential
  6754. 4:35:18 Unknown speaker journeys we're already on? And that's
  6755. 4:35:20 Unknown speaker just the appetite I wanted to gauge for.
  6756. 4:35:22 Unknown speaker So I and I'm I'm going to weigh in and
  6757. 4:35:24 Unknown speaker then I'll call other other folks. Um, so
  6758. 4:35:28 Unknown speaker I look at the start and affordable
  6759. 4:35:30 Unknown speaker housing piece, not just um for sale for
  6760. 4:35:34 Unknown speaker maybe just one certain group of people,
  6761. 4:35:37 Unknown speaker whether it be seniors or or families,
  6762. 4:35:41 Unknown speaker but really looking at the whole
  6763. 4:35:42 Unknown speaker spectrum. So we are seeing, you know, so
  6764. 4:35:45 Unknown speaker I'm very active with um people with um
  6765. 4:35:49 Unknown speaker mental mental health uh mental illness
  6766. 4:35:51 Unknown speaker as well as um people with disabilities.
  6767. 4:35:54 Unknown speaker So there are opportunities, you know,
  6768. 4:35:56 Unknown speaker especially as we start aging and decide
  6769. 4:35:58 Unknown speaker trying to decide, you know, what's going
  6770. 4:36:01 Unknown speaker to happen to our children who are not
  6771. 4:36:02 Unknown speaker self-sufficient. What kinds of housing
  6772. 4:36:05 Unknown speaker opportunities are there to purchase
  6773. 4:36:08 Unknown speaker whether it's a town home, a condo, a
  6774. 4:36:10 Unknown speaker single family home, ADU, but but getting
  6775. 4:36:13 Unknown speaker more creative on the diverse needs of an
  6776. 4:36:16 Unknown speaker everchanging population. So um so I I
  6777. 4:36:20 Unknown speaker look at it more as a wider range. So,
  6778. 4:36:22 Unknown speaker we're not necessarily competing with
  6779. 4:36:23 Unknown speaker projects like True North, which is more
  6780. 4:36:26 Unknown speaker um you know, it's family oriented or
  6781. 4:36:29 Unknown speaker even um senior I I've seen, you know,
  6782. 4:36:32 Unknown speaker just senior or just working working
  6783. 4:36:34 Unknown speaker class folks. Um so, yeah. So, just just
  6784. 4:36:38 Unknown speaker looking at a wider and it might include
  6785. 4:36:39 Unknown speaker us looking at zoning, looking at um
  6786. 4:36:42 Unknown speaker streamlining the ADU processes we have
  6787. 4:36:44 Unknown speaker where you know we have those um those
  6788. 4:36:47 Unknown speaker kits where people can
  6789. 4:36:48 Unknown speaker Yeah. No, that's super helpful clarity.
  6790. 4:36:50 Unknown speaker I just wanted to make sure like our
  6791. 4:36:52 Unknown speaker starter affordable housing broad concept
  6792. 4:36:55 Unknown speaker was not orthogonal to the projects we
  6793. 4:36:57 Unknown speaker need to actually be successful and
  6794. 4:36:58 Unknown speaker compete like effectively in the market.
  6795. 4:37:00 Unknown speaker Yeah, I want to address a wider range of
  6796. 4:37:02 Unknown speaker needs. Um at least my my perception,
  6797. 4:37:05 Unknown speaker Council Member Christ,
  6798. 4:37:07 Unknown speaker thank you, Mayor. I agree with
  6799. 4:37:09 Unknown speaker everything you just said and I have um
  6800. 4:37:12 Unknown speaker some other items I'd like to combine if
  6801. 4:37:14 Unknown speaker we're ready for that.
  6802. 4:37:15 Unknown speaker Um did you want to finish your
  6803. 4:37:17 Unknown speaker discussion on the starter home before we
  6804. 4:37:19 Unknown speaker move on? Mar.
  6805. 4:37:21 Unknown speaker Okay. Or did you just want some clarity?
  6806. 4:37:22 Unknown speaker Um Okay. And you're going to speak to
  6807. 4:37:24 Unknown speaker the starter home piece. You're looking
  6808. 4:37:26 Unknown speaker for clarity. Okay. Um Council Member
  6809. 4:37:29 Unknown speaker Mar.
  6810. 4:37:29 Unknown speaker Yeah. I appreciate Thank you, Mayor. I
  6811. 4:37:31 Unknown speaker appreciate the question from Council
  6812. 4:37:32 Unknown speaker Member Popkins specifically because I do
  6813. 4:37:34 Unknown speaker think we have and I I know I have and I
  6814. 4:37:36 Unknown speaker know probably to the point of annoyance
  6815. 4:37:37 Unknown speaker for my fellow council members talked
  6816. 4:37:38 Unknown speaker about the forale housing issue as a as a
  6817. 4:37:40 Unknown speaker point of of focus for us. I I do see
  6818. 4:37:43 Unknown speaker this as a much broader conversation.
  6819. 4:37:45 Unknown speaker Housing includes rental units. It
  6820. 4:37:46 Unknown speaker includes Right. I think we can have that
  6821. 4:37:48 Unknown speaker much broader conversation. I want to see
  6822. 4:37:50 Unknown speaker staff really narrow in on the
  6823. 4:37:51 Unknown speaker opportunities that exist. Focus on those
  6824. 4:37:53 Unknown speaker opportunities that exist within this big
  6825. 4:37:55 Unknown speaker picture umbrella of of starter and
  6826. 4:37:58 Unknown speaker affordable housing. And that includes
  6827. 4:37:59 Unknown speaker 180 Emory. It includes all those
  6828. 4:38:00 Unknown speaker projects. It also includes the town
  6829. 4:38:02 Unknown speaker homes uh motion that I brought back in
  6830. 4:38:05 Unknown speaker like February that I think is supposed
  6831. 4:38:07 Unknown speaker to come in sometime this year. December
  6832. 4:38:09 Unknown speaker is what I saw most recently is what it's
  6833. 4:38:11 Unknown speaker held for. Awesome. Um so we can have
  6834. 4:38:13 Unknown speaker that conversation about zoning reform,
  6835. 4:38:15 Unknown speaker about those different pieces. It's all
  6836. 4:38:16 Unknown speaker part of the big picture puzzle that's
  6837. 4:38:18 Unknown speaker much broader than any one specific
  6838. 4:38:19 Unknown speaker project, but I think these projects
  6839. 4:38:21 Unknown speaker capture it individually. So, just
  6840. 4:38:22 Unknown speaker echoing.
  6841. 4:38:23 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you. And so now, next
  6842. 4:38:27 Unknown speaker item, council. Um, yeah, you're done.
  6843. 4:38:31 Unknown speaker You add a new item. Okay, I'm trying to
  6844. 4:38:33 Unknown speaker follow.
  6845. 4:38:35 Unknown speaker Okay, there he [laughter] goes. Go
  6846. 4:38:36 Unknown speaker ahead.
  6847. 4:38:36 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Um, and thank you,
  6848. 4:38:39 Unknown speaker Sandy. I I actually thought that
  6849. 4:38:42 Unknown speaker innovative transportation and
  6850. 4:38:43 Unknown speaker development might fit in with ride long
  6851. 4:38:46 Unknown speaker microransit and vision zero um because
  6852. 4:38:49 Unknown speaker it's all transportation.
  6853. 4:38:51 Unknown speaker Um and then additionally the business
  6854. 4:38:54 Unknown speaker attraction and vacant properties the
  6855. 4:38:56 Unknown speaker small business support network and as
  6856. 4:38:58 Unknown speaker Harold mentioned earlier the advanced
  6857. 4:39:00 Unknown speaker long mount 3.0 those could be combined I
  6858. 4:39:03 Unknown speaker think. So, uh, Mayor Hoggoing, we just,
  6859. 4:39:07 Unknown speaker you know, finished the, uh, BVA process
  6860. 4:39:10 Unknown speaker for the advanced Longmont 3.0
  6861. 4:39:12 Unknown speaker consultant. Um, and I can tell you that
  6862. 4:39:14 Unknown speaker that plan will include this discussion
  6863. 4:39:16 Unknown speaker around, um, attraction and vacant
  6864. 4:39:18 Unknown speaker properties and a focus on small
  6865. 4:39:20 Unknown speaker business. The consultant, um, that was
  6866. 4:39:22 Unknown speaker something that we clarified,
  6867. 4:39:24 Unknown speaker specifically the small business piece,
  6868. 4:39:25 Unknown speaker because Scott Cook is on that team and
  6869. 4:39:28 Unknown speaker he and Kimberly both really wanted to
  6870. 4:39:30 Unknown speaker make sure that that was going to be a
  6871. 4:39:32 Unknown speaker significant part of advanced law 3.0
  6872. 4:39:34 Unknown speaker know plan. So I do believe that that
  6873. 4:39:35 Unknown speaker plan will include both of those items.
  6874. 4:39:38 Unknown speaker Do we have the goal of getting this down
  6875. 4:39:39 Unknown speaker to like five major categories?
  6876. 4:39:42 Unknown speaker It'd be [laughter] nice. It'd be nice to
  6877. 4:39:43 Unknown speaker get down. Where are we with our
  6878. 4:39:46 Unknown speaker Harold's working? That's a great
  6879. 4:39:47 Unknown speaker question. Maybe Harold.
  6880. 4:39:48 Unknown speaker Yeah. So I've been I've been listening
  6881. 4:39:50 Unknown speaker to to you all and trying. So what you've
  6882. 4:39:52 Unknown speaker in what you all have done and jump in
  6883. 4:39:55 Unknown speaker and correct me if I'm wrong. You
  6884. 4:39:57 Unknown speaker basically have taken what I'm hearing
  6885. 4:39:59 Unknown speaker from you is you've taken it down to five
  6886. 4:40:01 Unknown speaker major categories.
  6887. 4:40:03 Unknown speaker And one is starter and affordable homes.
  6888. 4:40:06 Unknown speaker That's the one that is your top ranked
  6889. 4:40:09 Unknown speaker on all of it. You then have said, and
  6890. 4:40:12 Unknown speaker I'm just calling it downtown core right
  6891. 4:40:14 Unknown speaker now. I don't know what to call it, but
  6892. 4:40:15 Unknown speaker you have said that that first in Maine,
  6893. 4:40:19 Unknown speaker sugar mill,
  6894. 4:40:21 Unknown speaker um, muir, all of that is something that
  6895. 4:40:24 Unknown speaker you're interested in. You all have sort
  6896. 4:40:27 Unknown speaker of danced around a little bit saying and
  6897. 4:40:30 Unknown speaker I'm just now I'm just basing it on where
  6898. 4:40:32 Unknown speaker it's set in the profile. You said
  6899. 4:40:34 Unknown speaker transportation as number three and
  6900. 4:40:36 Unknown speaker within transportation you have ride long
  6901. 4:40:39 Unknown speaker microransit vision zero innovative
  6902. 4:40:41 Unknown speaker transportation district
  6903. 4:40:43 Unknown speaker um early child care and again I'm just
  6904. 4:40:46 Unknown speaker basing it off of what I'm seeing on the
  6905. 4:40:47 Unknown speaker ranking is four and then business is
  6906. 4:40:50 Unknown speaker five based if I'm if I'm wrapping these
  6907. 4:40:53 Unknown speaker categories as you've described it thus
  6908. 4:40:55 Unknown speaker far is that a fair assessment
  6909. 4:40:59 Unknown speaker for me it is um council member Marcen
  6910. 4:41:02 Unknown speaker I would just say to council thank I
  6911. 4:41:04 Unknown speaker would just say to council member Chris's
  6912. 4:41:05 Unknown speaker question and to Harold's point I I if as
  6913. 4:41:08 Unknown speaker long as we're going to put Ride Longmont
  6914. 4:41:10 Unknown speaker at the top for me of the transportation
  6915. 4:41:12 Unknown speaker conversation um you know I think it did
  6916. 4:41:15 Unknown speaker deserve its own separate category and I
  6917. 4:41:17 Unknown speaker think the ranking you know reflects that
  6918. 4:41:18 Unknown speaker a lot of council members feel that way
  6919. 4:41:20 Unknown speaker as well in terms of transportation
  6920. 4:41:21 Unknown speaker priorities and what we can control in
  6921. 4:41:22 Unknown speaker our own house then yeah I' I'd be
  6922. 4:41:24 Unknown speaker comfortable with with that as long as is
  6923. 4:41:27 Unknown speaker if that's what you're looking to do is
  6924. 4:41:29 Unknown speaker bucket it and list if Ride Longmont is
  6925. 4:41:31 Unknown speaker at the number one on the transportation
  6926. 4:41:32 Unknown speaker bucket for me. I'm comfortable with
  6927. 4:41:34 Unknown speaker that. Yeah.
  6928. 4:41:35 Unknown speaker So, what you all did in your ranking,
  6929. 4:41:36 Unknown speaker you had Ride Longmont and Vision Zero
  6930. 4:41:38 Unknown speaker and they actually tied.
  6931. 4:41:40 Unknown speaker They tied
  6932. 4:41:42 Unknown speaker at the top two levels. So, when I take
  6933. 4:41:44 Unknown speaker transportation,
  6934. 4:41:45 Unknown speaker I take Ride Longmont, Vision Zero as the
  6935. 4:41:49 Unknown speaker top two in transportation and then the
  6936. 4:41:51 Unknown speaker innovative transportation falls later
  6937. 4:41:53 Unknown speaker in. So, where we would focus our
  6938. 4:41:55 Unknown speaker resources are obviously on the top two
  6939. 4:41:57 Unknown speaker which
  6940. 4:41:58 Unknown speaker I think captures what you're saying.
  6941. 4:42:01 Unknown speaker Okay. Council
  6942. 4:42:03 Unknown speaker member Popkin.
  6943. 4:42:05 Unknown speaker Yeah, thanks. Um, I look, I I really
  6944. 4:42:08 Unknown speaker support what we can do in house on on
  6945. 4:42:11 Unknown speaker Red Longmont. I love the service. I have
  6946. 4:42:13 Unknown speaker used it and I know many people who have.
  6947. 4:42:15 Unknown speaker What I will say is what I the feedback I
  6948. 4:42:17 Unknown speaker consistently hear from residents at
  6949. 4:42:19 Unknown speaker least in my word is the implementation
  6950. 4:42:21 Unknown speaker of vision zero is actually much higher
  6951. 4:42:24 Unknown speaker um as a priority there just of like
  6952. 4:42:27 Unknown speaker those tactical deployments uh some of
  6953. 4:42:29 Unknown speaker the study sessions that the
  6954. 4:42:30 Unknown speaker transportation advisory board is having
  6955. 4:42:32 Unknown speaker to kind of manage traffic speeds even
  6956. 4:42:34 Unknown speaker the very conditions and comments that
  6957. 4:42:36 Unknown speaker many of us were making earlier on some
  6958. 4:42:38 Unknown speaker of the the uh developments whether you
  6959. 4:42:40 Unknown speaker voted for or against them like were
  6960. 4:42:42 Unknown speaker related to how we are managing
  6961. 4:42:44 Unknown speaker neighborhood hood level traffic safety
  6962. 4:42:46 Unknown speaker for kind of multimmodal safety. So, I'll
  6963. 4:42:49 Unknown speaker just note that like that that rises a
  6964. 4:42:51 Unknown speaker little higher from what I'm hearing from
  6965. 4:42:53 Unknown speaker even this group tonight um in on a
  6966. 4:42:57 Unknown speaker project basis. So, I just wanted to note
  6967. 4:42:58 Unknown speaker that um especially since we have kind of
  6968. 4:43:00 Unknown speaker sustained funding now. I guess I'd be
  6969. 4:43:02 Unknown speaker curious to know do we really are we
  6970. 4:43:04 Unknown speaker looking to expand ride dramatically or
  6971. 4:43:06 Unknown speaker incrementally as like we have
  6972. 4:43:08 Unknown speaker opportunities.
  6973. 4:43:10 Unknown speaker That's one comment I wanted to offer on
  6974. 4:43:12 Unknown speaker that. And then the only other thing is
  6975. 4:43:13 Unknown speaker the Harold, the only thing I didn't hear
  6976. 4:43:14 Unknown speaker from you is on like the community
  6977. 4:43:15 Unknown speaker resilience. Is that still like that
  6978. 4:43:17 Unknown speaker backbone cloud that you're thinking of
  6979. 4:43:18 Unknown speaker that underlies doing this? Right.
  6980. 4:43:21 Unknown speaker I think we saw public safety support and
  6981. 4:43:23 Unknown speaker the resilience um services as core
  6982. 4:43:25 Unknown speaker services
  6983. 4:43:26 Unknown speaker and parents. We didn't parents is the
  6984. 4:43:28 Unknown speaker one you all parent and youth services is
  6985. 4:43:30 Unknown speaker something we haven't really dug into.
  6986. 4:43:32 Unknown speaker That's the other one that we're missing.
  6987. 4:43:34 Unknown speaker And then all that's left is the airport.
  6988. 4:43:36 Unknown speaker Yeah. Okay. Thank you. That could also
  6989. 4:43:38 Unknown speaker be economic development and growth and
  6990. 4:43:41 Unknown speaker could be transportation transportation.
  6991. 4:43:43 Unknown speaker A little bit of both. Yes. Um
  6992. 4:43:45 Unknown speaker yeah and I you know with the ride long
  6993. 4:43:48 Unknown speaker and microtransit why I ranked it um I
  6994. 4:43:51 Unknown speaker gave it a higher higher marking um is to
  6995. 4:43:55 Unknown speaker ensure that it is funded that um we are
  6996. 4:43:59 Unknown speaker focusing on acquiring grants and and
  6997. 4:44:01 Unknown speaker giving attention to this because it's
  6998. 4:44:03 Unknown speaker really helping our seniors. It's helping
  6999. 4:44:06 Unknown speaker people who don't have access to cars who
  7000. 4:44:08 Unknown speaker will not be allowed to drive or, you
  7001. 4:44:11 Unknown speaker know, getting from their house to at the
  7002. 4:44:14 Unknown speaker actual bus stop so they they can get to
  7003. 4:44:17 Unknown speaker where they need to go outside of town.
  7004. 4:44:19 Unknown speaker So there is for me there's an equity
  7005. 4:44:21 Unknown speaker piece and and breaking down barriers.
  7006. 4:44:23 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  7007. 4:44:24 Unknown speaker Um so that's Yeah. So I just wanted to
  7008. 4:44:26 Unknown speaker speak to that. Um council member Prito.
  7009. 4:44:29 Unknown speaker Perfect. You guys kind of hit the nail
  7010. 4:44:32 Unknown speaker on the head here. the community
  7011. 4:44:34 Unknown speaker resilience services like I would throw
  7012. 4:44:38 Unknown speaker all of these out of the door and make
  7013. 4:44:39 Unknown speaker sure that [snorts] that's the priority
  7014. 4:44:41 Unknown speaker you know so like that's how important
  7015. 4:44:42 Unknown speaker that is to me right now um but then also
  7016. 4:44:46 Unknown speaker when I when I ranked ride long high it's
  7017. 4:44:48 Unknown speaker because it provides that support to the
  7018. 4:44:51 Unknown speaker community especially those most
  7019. 4:44:54 Unknown speaker vulnerable in our community so so that's
  7020. 4:44:57 Unknown speaker my reasoning for ranking ride long high
  7021. 4:45:00 Unknown speaker not so much the transportation piece but
  7022. 4:45:02 Unknown speaker the accessibility piece. Um, and yeah,
  7023. 4:45:06 Unknown speaker and then just don't I don't want to lose
  7024. 4:45:08 Unknown speaker sight of the community resilience piece.
  7025. 4:45:10 Unknown speaker And then parent and youth services, I
  7026. 4:45:12 Unknown speaker was like, well, can that fit in
  7027. 4:45:15 Unknown speaker community resilience?
  7028. 4:45:19 Unknown speaker I mean, maybe under the umbrella because
  7029. 4:45:22 Unknown speaker it's family services.
  7030. 4:45:26 Unknown speaker Um, but I don't want to lose sight of
  7031. 4:45:28 Unknown speaker this. And you know, I see that it was
  7032. 4:45:32 Unknown speaker ranked lower.
  7033. 4:45:34 Unknown speaker Um, but just like kind of hearing the
  7034. 4:45:37 Unknown speaker conversation that we just had with
  7035. 4:45:38 Unknown speaker everybody that just spoke at spoke at
  7036. 4:45:42 Unknown speaker final public invited to be heard and
  7037. 4:45:44 Unknown speaker hearing out the mothers and hearing out
  7038. 4:45:46 Unknown speaker uh, you know, at you know talking about
  7039. 4:45:48 Unknown speaker their children and and different things
  7040. 4:45:50 Unknown speaker like this is this is a part of that
  7041. 4:45:53 Unknown speaker community piece where we ensure that
  7042. 4:45:56 Unknown speaker we're working with families to make sure
  7043. 4:45:58 Unknown speaker that they have access to the services
  7044. 4:46:01 Unknown speaker that they need. And so I I'm not sure
  7045. 4:46:04 Unknown speaker where to place it and I don't know if my
  7046. 4:46:07 Unknown speaker council members have a recommendation
  7047. 4:46:09 Unknown speaker here.
  7048. 4:46:11 Unknown speaker It doesn't sound like like you're asking
  7049. 4:46:13 Unknown speaker to drop it.
  7050. 4:46:14 Unknown speaker What we're asking for is is what are the
  7051. 4:46:16 Unknown speaker priorities of this council because we
  7052. 4:46:18 Unknown speaker still have a vision and some graphics.
  7053. 4:46:20 Unknown speaker And so I I feel like the first five
  7054. 4:46:22 Unknown speaker definitely. Um but yeah, the the uh
  7055. 4:46:26 Unknown speaker community resilience, the making sure
  7056. 4:46:29 Unknown speaker folks can meet their basic needs
  7057. 4:46:31 Unknown speaker critical.
  7058. 4:46:32 Unknown speaker I'm people before buildings and
  7059. 4:46:34 Unknown speaker infrastructure, unless it's unless it's
  7060. 4:46:37 Unknown speaker uh our core services, then obviously
  7061. 4:46:40 Unknown speaker those come first, right? Cuz then it's
  7062. 4:46:42 Unknown speaker all for not. Um and then the parent and
  7063. 4:46:45 Unknown speaker youth services is really important to
  7064. 4:46:47 Unknown speaker me. uh just but but there's more to come
  7065. 4:46:51 Unknown speaker on that too in the next discussion which
  7066. 4:46:53 Unknown speaker I'm happy to share.
  7067. 4:46:55 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um sounds like we have
  7068. 4:46:58 Unknown speaker a priority.
  7069. 4:46:58 Unknown speaker Okay. Are you comfortable here?
  7070. 4:47:01 Unknown speaker Well, okay. So, we have um Mayor Prom,
  7071. 4:47:04 Unknown speaker go ahead.
  7072. 4:47:05 Unknown speaker Okay. So, um thank you, Mayor. My my my
  7073. 4:47:08 Unknown speaker issue with the vision zero was the fact
  7074. 4:47:10 Unknown speaker that it's people's lives at
  7075. 4:47:12 Unknown speaker uh at stake there and I think that's it.
  7076. 4:47:15 Unknown speaker As far as parent and youth services, as
  7077. 4:47:17 Unknown speaker a teacher, I see the district doing a
  7078. 4:47:20 Unknown speaker whole lot of that. So, that's why I I
  7079. 4:47:22 Unknown speaker rank that far lower because that really
  7080. 4:47:25 Unknown speaker feels like that's kind of in their uh
  7081. 4:47:29 Unknown speaker realm of of influence uh in a lot in a
  7082. 4:47:32 Unknown speaker lot of uh cases. And I guess I see that
  7083. 4:47:34 Unknown speaker on a fairly regular basis. uh as as far
  7084. 4:47:39 Unknown speaker as uh as as some of these other things
  7085. 4:47:42 Unknown speaker that I've heard everybody talk about uh
  7086. 4:47:45 Unknown speaker you know I do see the the the value in
  7087. 4:47:48 Unknown speaker microtransit right in Longmont but I do
  7088. 4:47:50 Unknown speaker think that they're uh that uh some of
  7089. 4:47:53 Unknown speaker that is just incremental on how we grow
  7090. 4:47:56 Unknown speaker that. So, so my my general
  7091. 4:48:00 Unknown speaker feelings are is that, you know, Vision
  7092. 4:48:03 Unknown speaker Zero has such an impact, especially, you
  7093. 4:48:06 Unknown speaker know, we we saw a family here uh come
  7094. 4:48:09 Unknown speaker before us today uh really hurting. Um
  7095. 4:48:13 Unknown speaker but there's also families
  7096. 4:48:16 Unknown speaker uh of people who have been killed on the
  7097. 4:48:20 Unknown speaker road and uh they're hurting just as
  7098. 4:48:23 Unknown speaker much. and there's not always as easily
  7099. 4:48:26 Unknown speaker some person to point to because we don't
  7100. 4:48:29 Unknown speaker always see who does that. So that that's
  7101. 4:48:32 Unknown speaker important.
  7102. 4:48:34 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, Council Member
  7103. 4:48:36 Unknown speaker Christ.
  7104. 4:48:38 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh, so I live on the
  7105. 4:48:42 Unknown speaker northeast side of town and what I hear
  7106. 4:48:44 Unknown speaker about right Longmont is it was the best
  7107. 4:48:46 Unknown speaker thing ever until it got busy.
  7108. 4:48:49 Unknown speaker We need to triple it. That's what I
  7109. 4:48:51 Unknown speaker hear. And actually, it's related to
  7110. 4:48:53 Unknown speaker vision zero because it's about safety on
  7111. 4:48:55 Unknown speaker the road. And so if you're of a certain
  7112. 4:48:57 Unknown speaker age, you want someone else to do the
  7113. 4:48:59 Unknown speaker driving for you. And [snorts] and so
  7114. 4:49:02 Unknown speaker they're they're kind of married in a
  7115. 4:49:04 Unknown speaker way. And and then innovative
  7116. 4:49:07 Unknown speaker transportation, you know, this is all
  7117. 4:49:09 Unknown speaker about like constructing the last mile to
  7118. 4:49:12 Unknown speaker first and last mile.
  7119. 4:49:14 Unknown speaker Create Yeah. accessibility to all
  7120. 4:49:16 Unknown speaker members of the community no matter how
  7121. 4:49:18 Unknown speaker far out we live and and making it safe.
  7122. 4:49:22 Unknown speaker And so I don't see anything wrong with,
  7123. 4:49:24 Unknown speaker you know, combining them all because
  7124. 4:49:25 Unknown speaker they're all like around the same rating
  7125. 4:49:27 Unknown speaker to 80, 80, and then 69. I mean, that
  7126. 4:49:31 Unknown speaker says that we value all three really.
  7127. 4:49:35 Unknown speaker Yeah. And then I was wondering how you
  7128. 4:49:37 Unknown speaker feel about um pairing parent and youth
  7129. 4:49:40 Unknown speaker services with early childhood education
  7130. 4:49:42 Unknown speaker and child care. I know those are like
  7131. 4:49:45 Unknown speaker from the, you know, from the birth then
  7132. 4:49:47 Unknown speaker you're talking all the way up to high
  7133. 4:49:49 Unknown speaker school, but I mean it's pretty much
  7134. 4:49:51 Unknown speaker raising your children and I know it
  7135. 4:49:53 Unknown speaker changes over time, but
  7136. 4:49:56 Unknown speaker it is related.
  7137. 4:49:59 Unknown speaker Yeah. I thank you.
  7138. 4:50:01 Unknown speaker Yeah. I don't I don't know because my
  7139. 4:50:03 Unknown speaker kids are grown. I've gone through all
  7140. 4:50:05 Unknown speaker the stages.
  7141. 4:50:06 Unknown speaker Yeah. So um I do not feel comfortable um
  7142. 4:50:11 Unknown speaker combining those because it does have
  7143. 4:50:13 Unknown speaker very different so I think about parent
  7144. 4:50:15 Unknown speaker and youth services
  7145. 4:50:17 Unknown speaker and oftentimes to you know I'm going
  7146. 4:50:20 Unknown speaker back as a parent of two children in
  7147. 4:50:22 Unknown speaker crisis. I did not feel comfortable going
  7148. 4:50:24 Unknown speaker to the school district and often times
  7149. 4:50:27 Unknown speaker you know I was banned from a couple of
  7150. 4:50:28 Unknown speaker buildings. I was banned from the high
  7151. 4:50:30 Unknown speaker school. So it's like [laughter] they've
  7152. 4:50:32 Unknown speaker lifted the restraining order but no just
  7153. 4:50:34 Unknown speaker kidding.
  7154. 4:50:35 Unknown speaker I'm allowed back in. But um so there's,
  7155. 4:50:39 Unknown speaker you know, I I think there's opportunity
  7156. 4:50:42 Unknown speaker and we have such a strong children's
  7157. 4:50:44 Unknown speaker youth and families. You know, I want to
  7158. 4:50:46 Unknown speaker be able to to use what we have and those
  7159. 4:50:49 Unknown speaker connections with our cultural brokers
  7160. 4:50:52 Unknown speaker and how we work and connect with
  7161. 4:50:54 Unknown speaker families through um parents involved in
  7162. 4:50:56 Unknown speaker education and um and just some of the
  7163. 4:50:59 Unknown speaker resiliency and and youth programs that
  7164. 4:51:02 Unknown speaker Children's Youth and Families provides.
  7165. 4:51:04 Unknown speaker So, I want to be able to find a way to
  7166. 4:51:07 Unknown speaker to marry that in with other um you know,
  7167. 4:51:11 Unknown speaker maybe community resilience services, but
  7168. 4:51:14 Unknown speaker you know, like have that and maybe even
  7169. 4:51:16 Unknown speaker be part of core services
  7170. 4:51:19 Unknown speaker because yeah,
  7171. 4:51:22 Unknown speaker um Harold scribbled down human services.
  7172. 4:51:25 Unknown speaker Which one? Human
  7173. 4:51:27 Unknown speaker human services that would incorporate
  7174. 4:51:28 Unknown speaker both the early childhood, the parent and
  7175. 4:51:31 Unknown speaker youth involvement as well as community
  7176. 4:51:32 Unknown speaker resilient services. Okay.
  7177. 4:51:34 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, I think
  7178. 4:51:35 Unknown speaker I don't know if that's the right
  7179. 4:51:35 Unknown speaker titling. I'm just looking over his
  7180. 4:51:37 Unknown speaker shoulder.
  7181. 4:51:38 Unknown speaker Yeah. I'm just
  7182. 4:51:39 Unknown speaker I'm thinking of a few I'm thinking of a
  7183. 4:51:42 Unknown speaker few things in this because community
  7184. 4:51:43 Unknown speaker resiliency shows itself twice.
  7185. 4:51:45 Unknown speaker Twice. Yeah.
  7186. 4:51:46 Unknown speaker In that we want community resiliency
  7187. 4:51:49 Unknown speaker sort of as the under underpinning to
  7188. 4:51:51 Unknown speaker everything that we do. Um even things
  7189. 4:51:54 Unknown speaker that aren't mentioned on this like our
  7190. 4:51:57 Unknown speaker how we handle our water systems, how do
  7191. 4:51:59 Unknown speaker we hand all of that. I am making the
  7192. 4:52:03 Unknown speaker assumption based on what you put in that
  7193. 4:52:05 Unknown speaker you you all have kind of said core
  7194. 4:52:06 Unknown speaker services are a foundation and this is
  7195. 4:52:09 Unknown speaker additive to core services. So behind
  7196. 4:52:12 Unknown speaker community resiliency that's behind
  7197. 4:52:14 Unknown speaker everything else but then you also have a
  7198. 4:52:16 Unknown speaker different point of community resiliency
  7199. 4:52:19 Unknown speaker that is getting into these pieces of
  7200. 4:52:22 Unknown speaker early child care because the better the
  7201. 4:52:24 Unknown speaker early child care the more resilient your
  7202. 4:52:26 Unknown speaker community is going to be. Mhm.
  7203. 4:52:28 Unknown speaker Um
  7204. 4:52:30 Unknown speaker there's different ways for us to do it.
  7205. 4:52:32 Unknown speaker I mean, we're still going to need to
  7206. 4:52:34 Unknown speaker prioritize within priorities and and
  7207. 4:52:37 Unknown speaker like what I'm hearing from council is
  7208. 4:52:38 Unknown speaker I'm not seeing early child care be
  7209. 4:52:41 Unknown speaker anything other than the top of whatever
  7210. 4:52:42 Unknown speaker it is in whatever category because you
  7211. 4:52:45 Unknown speaker all clearly communicated that's high on
  7212. 4:52:48 Unknown speaker your list.
  7213. 4:52:50 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. I hope that helps some.
  7214. 4:52:54 Unknown speaker Um, [clears throat] Council Member
  7215. 4:52:56 Unknown speaker Koffer,
  7216. 4:52:57 Unknown speaker it's my turn.
  7217. 4:52:57 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  7218. 4:52:58 Unknown speaker Um, so for Ride Longmont, um, great
  7219. 4:53:01 Unknown speaker service, we are already getting two
  7220. 4:53:03 Unknown speaker additional vehicles. We're expanding
  7221. 4:53:04 Unknown speaker service next year, so it's already on
  7222. 4:53:06 Unknown speaker track to expand. Um, as a award
  7223. 4:53:11 Unknown speaker representative, I do get most of my
  7224. 4:53:13 Unknown speaker emails are something's wrong with my
  7225. 4:53:15 Unknown speaker road. Somebody's going to die. So, I'd
  7226. 4:53:18 Unknown speaker like to see vision zero slightly higher
  7227. 4:53:20 Unknown speaker than right long just because we're
  7228. 4:53:22 Unknown speaker already making the momentum. we're
  7229. 4:53:24 Unknown speaker already getting the additional cars. So,
  7230. 4:53:26 Unknown speaker um I think by starting Vision Zero and
  7231. 4:53:29 Unknown speaker implementing things, we can get the ball
  7232. 4:53:31 Unknown speaker rolling on that.
  7233. 4:53:34 Unknown speaker Okay. Council member Marcen.
  7234. 4:53:37 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh just to the some of
  7235. 4:53:39 Unknown speaker the conversation, I I will just be very
  7236. 4:53:41 Unknown speaker blunt and saying I'm not comfortable
  7237. 4:53:42 Unknown speaker with approving or or any and this, you
  7238. 4:53:46 Unknown speaker know, put myself on a ledge with any
  7239. 4:53:48 Unknown speaker list of council priorities where early
  7240. 4:53:50 Unknown speaker childhood education and childare is not
  7241. 4:53:51 Unknown speaker its own standalone item. And I'm happy
  7242. 4:53:53 Unknown speaker to speak as to why um you know whether
  7243. 4:53:55 Unknown speaker or not 1A passes in November, we're
  7244. 4:53:57 Unknown speaker dealing with um a situation that I think
  7245. 4:54:00 Unknown speaker requires and where we have some unique
  7246. 4:54:02 Unknown speaker levers within the process. And when I
  7247. 4:54:04 Unknown speaker think about how I want staff to
  7248. 4:54:05 Unknown speaker prioritize their time, I think if you
  7249. 4:54:08 Unknown speaker put ECE underneath a different umbrella
  7250. 4:54:10 Unknown speaker bucket, what you're going to get is yes,
  7251. 4:54:13 Unknown speaker maybe sure we can look at ECE as an
  7252. 4:54:15 Unknown speaker option. I think ECE needs to be a stated
  7253. 4:54:17 Unknown speaker priority of our of our city. And what
  7254. 4:54:19 Unknown speaker that means is, you know, I use the
  7255. 4:54:21 Unknown speaker annexation example. I use the the any
  7256. 4:54:24 Unknown speaker opportunity that we get should be an
  7257. 4:54:26 Unknown speaker opportunity that we take there. Um, so I
  7258. 4:54:28 Unknown speaker I I don't have much more to say other
  7259. 4:54:31 Unknown speaker than than I I just I wouldn't be
  7260. 4:54:32 Unknown speaker comfortable pulling that out. Um, I
  7261. 4:54:34 Unknown speaker think it needs to stand on its own.
  7262. 4:54:35 Unknown speaker I I don't either. Um, because it's going
  7263. 4:54:37 Unknown speaker to continue to be a problem for our
  7264. 4:54:39 Unknown speaker staff, for our residents.
  7265. 4:54:41 Unknown speaker Yeah. For our major employers, um, the
  7266. 4:54:43 Unknown speaker workforce. So, um, yeah. So, I agree
  7267. 4:54:46 Unknown speaker that it's separate. Council member
  7268. 4:54:48 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  7269. 4:54:49 Unknown speaker Uh, thanks, Mayor. I think maybe the one
  7270. 4:54:51 Unknown speaker other reflection I have of all of this
  7271. 4:54:52 Unknown speaker coming together, if if [clears throat]
  7272. 4:54:54 Unknown speaker community resilience overall, and I I
  7273. 4:54:56 Unknown speaker have no objection to the childcare point
  7274. 4:54:58 Unknown speaker that was made, um, if if community
  7275. 4:55:00 Unknown speaker resilience overall is like the
  7276. 4:55:02 Unknown speaker overarching cloud, the thing that funds
  7277. 4:55:05 Unknown speaker all of this is that downtown
  7278. 4:55:07 Unknown speaker redevelopment
  7279. 4:55:09 Unknown speaker um, and the surrounding like kind of the
  7280. 4:55:11 Unknown speaker wings of the private sector kind of
  7281. 4:55:12 Unknown speaker investment there. And that enables us to
  7282. 4:55:15 Unknown speaker do more of well all of this. Um and so I
  7283. 4:55:19 Unknown speaker just maybe wanted to stress in terms of
  7284. 4:55:21 Unknown speaker how we start to communicate that to the
  7285. 4:55:22 Unknown speaker community and how we all think about
  7286. 4:55:24 Unknown speaker that. Yes, we're going to be spending
  7287. 4:55:26 Unknown speaker some money initially, but that's really
  7288. 4:55:28 Unknown speaker thinking about the investment that we're
  7289. 4:55:30 Unknown speaker making in the next decade of Longmont.
  7290. 4:55:32 Unknown speaker Um and the all of the support services
  7291. 4:55:35 Unknown speaker and the businesses and the child care
  7292. 4:55:37 Unknown speaker and the transport transportation access
  7293. 4:55:40 Unknown speaker and and housing that comes with that.
  7294. 4:55:42 Unknown speaker So, just wanted to offer that as a
  7295. 4:55:44 Unknown speaker potential framing.
  7296. 4:55:45 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, council member Prietto,
  7297. 4:55:48 Unknown speaker just uh just want to clarify everybody
  7298. 4:55:50 Unknown speaker understands this. Um, as far as the
  7299. 4:55:53 Unknown speaker community resiliency, there's like water
  7300. 4:55:56 Unknown speaker and core services and that's I think
  7301. 4:55:57 Unknown speaker that I think when I was doing the survey
  7302. 4:55:59 Unknown speaker that was just assumed like that is like
  7303. 4:56:03 Unknown speaker there is no ground like this is the
  7304. 4:56:05 Unknown speaker ground underneath all of this. Mhm.
  7305. 4:56:07 Unknown speaker When I speak of community resilience,
  7306. 4:56:09 Unknown speaker I'm thinking of like streamline systems,
  7307. 4:56:11 Unknown speaker rental support, places for our homeless
  7308. 4:56:14 Unknown speaker families to go. Um, I was perceiving
  7309. 4:56:18 Unknown speaker that's what's underneath that.
  7310. 4:56:19 Unknown speaker Okay. I just wanted to make sure we were
  7311. 4:56:20 Unknown speaker clear on that because that
  7312. 4:56:22 Unknown speaker [clears throat] is my main priority and
  7313. 4:56:23 Unknown speaker and whatever other needs [music] exist
  7314. 4:56:26 Unknown speaker out there, you know, that we have
  7315. 4:56:27 Unknown speaker control over that we could help with.
  7316. 4:56:29 Unknown speaker But I feel like, you know, really making
  7317. 4:56:32 Unknown speaker sure those in our community are mo who
  7318. 4:56:34 Unknown speaker are most vulnerable have access to the
  7319. 4:56:36 Unknown speaker services that they need, food, which I
  7320. 4:56:38 Unknown speaker think Longmont's doing a decent job with
  7321. 4:56:40 Unknown speaker right now, um will then be able be able
  7322. 4:56:43 Unknown speaker to build up and and do all these other
  7323. 4:56:45 Unknown speaker things.
  7324. 4:56:48 Unknown speaker Yeah. And I I do want to shout out again
  7325. 4:56:50 Unknown speaker Valerie Don. Next slide. Um where she
  7326. 4:56:52 Unknown speaker she's gone. Um, [laughter]
  7327. 4:56:55 Unknown speaker so I just go back to during COVID 25
  7328. 4:56:59 Unknown speaker kids in my classroom, only three had
  7329. 4:57:01 Unknown speaker internet access. Within two weeks, I was
  7330. 4:57:04 Unknown speaker able to get all of them connected to to
  7331. 4:57:06 Unknown speaker free internet
  7332. 4:57:08 Unknown speaker because of that work and that team. So,
  7333. 4:57:11 Unknown speaker I bu I thoroughly believe that our staff
  7334. 4:57:15 Unknown speaker really does answer [clears throat] that
  7335. 4:57:16 Unknown speaker call for community resiliency services
  7336. 4:57:18 Unknown speaker and when when asked and challenged and
  7337. 4:57:23 Unknown speaker yeah, challenge them. Yes. Ready to
  7338. 4:57:26 Unknown speaker choke me right now, but go [laughter]
  7339. 4:57:27 Unknown speaker ahead. Um, yeah. So, is that
  7340. 4:57:31 Unknown speaker I I liked how you framed, you know, with
  7341. 4:57:34 Unknown speaker the five and kind of embedding some
  7342. 4:57:36 Unknown speaker pieces and how there's overlap. Um and
  7343. 4:57:39 Unknown speaker we can
  7344. 4:57:40 Unknown speaker Yeah, I think I think too
  7345. 4:57:43 Unknown speaker I think it's late. I think
  7346. 4:57:44 Unknown speaker Yeah, I know
  7347. 4:57:45 Unknown speaker you all have given us um definitely
  7348. 4:57:47 Unknown speaker pulling I hear pulling early childare
  7349. 4:57:49 Unknown speaker on his own. I think we have enough to
  7350. 4:57:52 Unknown speaker now put some framework to this and then
  7351. 4:57:55 Unknown speaker put some ideas of ranking within the
  7352. 4:57:58 Unknown speaker categories based on the ranking that you
  7353. 4:58:00 Unknown speaker all have already put together.
  7354. 4:58:02 Unknown speaker Um and then I can attach kind of
  7355. 4:58:05 Unknown speaker departments and staff to it.
  7356. 4:58:07 Unknown speaker Okay.
  7357. 4:58:09 Unknown speaker And then you're going to have to look at
  7358. 4:58:10 Unknown speaker it again.
  7359. 4:58:11 Unknown speaker Perfect. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. But
  7360. 4:58:12 Unknown speaker I just I didn't like kicking it down the
  7361. 4:58:15 Unknown speaker road so many times.
  7362. 4:58:16 Unknown speaker Um Um Yes. Quickly. Yeah.
  7363. 4:58:19 Unknown speaker Well, thank you, mayor. What What
  7364. 4:58:21 Unknown speaker happened? So, first of all, um I know
  7365. 4:58:22 Unknown speaker I've seen a graphic that we've kind of
  7366. 4:58:24 Unknown speaker looked at and it's been floated. I don't
  7367. 4:58:25 Unknown speaker I like what happened to the vision
  7368. 4:58:27 Unknown speaker statement that that I know we worked on
  7369. 4:58:29 Unknown speaker briefly at the retreat. Did
  7370. 4:58:30 Unknown speaker So, waiting for your priorities to
  7371. 4:58:32 Unknown speaker Okay. And then and then we'll bring all
  7372. 4:58:33 Unknown speaker that back as a second here. That's what
  7373. 4:58:34 Unknown speaker I figured. I just want to make sure
  7374. 4:58:36 Unknown speaker that's what's left is the graphic and
  7375. 4:58:37 Unknown speaker the vision statement. So this is this is
  7376. 4:58:40 Unknown speaker super helpful to and it it sounds to me
  7377. 4:58:43 Unknown speaker and I hope I've got this right. Number
  7378. 4:58:44 Unknown speaker one is the starter and affordable
  7379. 4:58:46 Unknown speaker housing. Number two is that whole
  7380. 4:58:48 Unknown speaker downtown core with the first and main
  7381. 4:58:50 Unknown speaker and sugar uh mill and all of that. Uh
  7382. 4:58:53 Unknown speaker three is the transportation pieces that
  7383. 4:58:55 Unknown speaker we talked about. Four was early child
  7384. 4:58:58 Unknown speaker care. Um and then five was the business
  7385. 4:59:02 Unknown speaker services. And so some of the standalone
  7386. 4:59:04 Unknown speaker things after that include airport, um
  7387. 4:59:07 Unknown speaker include the parent and youth council,
  7388. 4:59:09 Unknown speaker those kinds of things. They don't remove
  7389. 4:59:10 Unknown speaker themselves off the work plan. I'm just
  7390. 4:59:12 Unknown speaker saying that that is the order and
  7391. 4:59:14 Unknown speaker priority of which I heard.
  7392. 4:59:16 Unknown speaker There.
  7393. 4:59:16 Unknown speaker Okay.
  7394. 4:59:17 Unknown speaker Yes.
  7395. 4:59:18 Unknown speaker Great. Very good. Thank you.
  7396. 4:59:20 Unknown speaker Thank you. Very good.
  7397. 4:59:20 Unknown speaker Can I get one of these?
  7398. 4:59:22 Unknown speaker Yeah, that would be great. [laughter]
  7399. 4:59:24 Unknown speaker Community resilience. That would be well
  7400. 4:59:27 Unknown speaker it's core services also so it's we'll
  7401. 4:59:30 Unknown speaker have to work with that but it doesn't
  7402. 4:59:31 Unknown speaker come off the work plan but
  7403. 4:59:33 Unknown speaker we just we need to think about how to
  7404. 4:59:35 Unknown speaker place it on here because it can show
  7405. 4:59:37 Unknown speaker itself in in different
  7406. 4:59:38 Unknown speaker way two different places and of course
  7407. 4:59:40 Unknown speaker as you saw from the matrix it's all over
  7408. 4:59:42 Unknown speaker thank you very good so then the last
  7409. 4:59:44 Unknown speaker thing um out of the retreat before we
  7410. 4:59:47 Unknown speaker get to vision and things like [laughter]
  7411. 4:59:49 Unknown speaker um is the board and commission alignment
  7412. 4:59:51 Unknown speaker plan.
  7413. 4:59:51 Unknown speaker So there are two things to discuss. I'm
  7414. 4:59:53 Unknown speaker going to try to do the easy one first.
  7415. 4:59:55 Unknown speaker The feedback from both the Callahan
  7416. 4:59:56 Unknown speaker House and the housing and human services
  7417. 4:59:58 Unknown speaker was to make no change.
  7418. 4:59:59 Unknown speaker No change. Yes. Is that
  7419. 5:00:01 Unknown speaker I agree. Okay. I see it. One thumb, two,
  7420. 5:00:04 Unknown speaker three, four. Okay. Great. Okay. Um and
  7421. 5:00:06 Unknown speaker then the the last two one was the
  7422. 5:00:09 Unknown speaker creation of the parent council and I
  7423. 5:00:12 Unknown speaker think you have some information in your
  7424. 5:00:13 Unknown speaker packet. I know you have some information
  7425. 5:00:15 Unknown speaker in your packet from um services around
  7426. 5:00:19 Unknown speaker um children, youth and families around
  7427. 5:00:21 Unknown speaker some of the challenges around the the
  7428. 5:00:23 Unknown speaker parent advisory council and some of the
  7429. 5:00:25 Unknown speaker things that they would need um and some
  7430. 5:00:28 Unknown speaker of the changing shifting winds that are
  7431. 5:00:29 Unknown speaker happening. So, okay. Um I think
  7432. 5:00:31 Unknown speaker Christina and Christina still hanging in
  7433. 5:00:33 Unknown speaker here.
  7434. 5:00:33 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  7435. 5:00:36 Unknown speaker Ask her any questions that you have. Um
  7436. 5:00:39 Unknown speaker okay. So, that's that's one that you all
  7437. 5:00:41 Unknown speaker need to decide on is the parent council.
  7438. 5:00:43 Unknown speaker So, I'll turn it over to Christina to
  7439. 5:00:45 Unknown speaker kind of lay it out.
  7440. 5:00:50 Unknown speaker Good. Good morning, Mayor Go Fairing and
  7441. 5:00:54 Unknown speaker um members of council. Christina
  7442. 5:00:56 Unknown speaker Pacheco, human services director for the
  7443. 5:00:58 Unknown speaker city. So, in terms of the the parent
  7444. 5:01:01 Unknown speaker advisory council, um we believe that we
  7445. 5:01:03 Unknown speaker can help accomplish this work um by
  7446. 5:01:06 Unknown speaker being the link and and as Mayor Idal
  7447. 5:01:08 Unknown speaker Goofering stated, um be the convenor uh
  7448. 5:01:12 Unknown speaker if you will, uh we can engage with other
  7449. 5:01:15 Unknown speaker groups and work collectively not only um
  7450. 5:01:18 Unknown speaker with the cultural brokers within the
  7451. 5:01:21 Unknown speaker city in different areas um but also in
  7452. 5:01:23 Unknown speaker the work with uh the community. Harold's
  7453. 5:01:26 Unknown speaker talked about uh using this as a force
  7454. 5:01:29 Unknown speaker multiplier um with the end goal of
  7455. 5:01:32 Unknown speaker really garnering feedback connecting
  7456. 5:01:34 Unknown speaker educating supporting and providing
  7457. 5:01:36 Unknown speaker parent access uh to information. So we
  7458. 5:01:40 Unknown speaker believe that this is broader um than
  7459. 5:01:43 Unknown speaker than children youth and families. Um,
  7460. 5:01:45 Unknown speaker and so, uh, what we can do is, um, have
  7461. 5:01:49 Unknown speaker Hilda Samoa Hersh, our assistant human
  7462. 5:01:51 Unknown speaker services director, and, uh, Jenny Diaz
  7463. 5:01:54 Unknown speaker Leon, our CYF operations manager, um,
  7464. 5:01:57 Unknown speaker identify how we might operationalize
  7465. 5:01:59 Unknown speaker this and what it might look like. Uh,
  7466. 5:02:01 Unknown speaker [snorts] we can then follow up with city
  7467. 5:02:02 Unknown speaker manager leadership and vet what we uh,
  7468. 5:02:05 Unknown speaker develop and get feedback there. Um, if
  7469. 5:02:08 Unknown speaker council wishes, we can also bring that
  7470. 5:02:11 Unknown speaker um, back for further policy direction.
  7471. 5:02:13 Unknown speaker Um and uh with regards to the work that
  7472. 5:02:17 Unknown speaker CYF is currently doing with parents,
  7473. 5:02:19 Unknown speaker they can also provide that information.
  7474. 5:02:21 Unknown speaker I think we also have the opportunity to
  7475. 5:02:23 Unknown speaker look at how we have um brought together
  7476. 5:02:26 Unknown speaker the neighborhood impact team kind of
  7477. 5:02:28 Unknown speaker start to look at that model and see how
  7478. 5:02:30 Unknown speaker we might uh we might pattern this after
  7479. 5:02:33 Unknown speaker after that as well. So, um, whatever
  7480. 5:02:36 Unknown speaker council's, uh, uh, direction is, uh, in
  7481. 5:02:39 Unknown speaker terms of it being a a parent advisory
  7482. 5:02:42 Unknown speaker board or if you'd like us to to continue
  7483. 5:02:44 Unknown speaker down the road that we've started, we're
  7484. 5:02:46 Unknown speaker happy to do that as well.
  7485. 5:02:47 Unknown speaker Great. Um, thank you. Um, [snorts] I'm
  7486. 5:02:49 Unknown speaker going to let council member Prito
  7487. 5:02:51 Unknown speaker because she was the one who brought this
  7488. 5:02:52 Unknown speaker forward. Go ahead.
  7489. 5:02:54 Unknown speaker Thank you. I'll be quick. Um, no, just
  7490. 5:02:58 Unknown speaker to I I think you said it beautifully,
  7491. 5:02:59 Unknown speaker Christina, and I had a meeting with
  7492. 5:03:01 Unknown speaker Christina Hilda and Harold just to talk
  7493. 5:03:04 Unknown speaker about like what is the appropriate
  7494. 5:03:07 Unknown speaker mechanism to gather this feedback? How
  7495. 5:03:10 Unknown speaker would we do that? And we quickly
  7496. 5:03:12 Unknown speaker realized that this is something that
  7497. 5:03:14 Unknown speaker kind of touches all systems and
  7498. 5:03:16 Unknown speaker departments. And so my recommendation
  7499. 5:03:18 Unknown speaker would be uh just giving I I I would like
  7500. 5:03:21 Unknown speaker to give staff direction to continue that
  7501. 5:03:23 Unknown speaker conversation and that work to try to
  7502. 5:03:25 Unknown speaker figure out what does that mechanism look
  7503. 5:03:28 Unknown speaker like? Where is the supports? What do you
  7504. 5:03:31 Unknown speaker need from counsel? Um but I think I
  7505. 5:03:34 Unknown speaker think that um
  7506. 5:03:36 Unknown speaker the oh my goodness, I'm losing my words.
  7507. 5:03:39 Unknown speaker The cultural brokers and there was
  7508. 5:03:42 Unknown speaker another one that you said um the
  7509. 5:03:46 Unknown speaker promatur
  7510. 5:03:48 Unknown speaker uh in the community. You know, the idea
  7511. 5:03:51 Unknown speaker was there's a lot of people in our
  7512. 5:03:52 Unknown speaker community that are working in really
  7513. 5:03:54 Unknown speaker critical spaces with families and
  7514. 5:03:56 Unknown speaker children and how do we get them in the
  7515. 5:03:58 Unknown speaker room with city staff and how do we start
  7516. 5:03:59 Unknown speaker to change systems uh operationally,
  7517. 5:04:03 Unknown speaker policy, and etc. So, it's it's a bigger
  7518. 5:04:06 Unknown speaker concept. It turned out to be something
  7519. 5:04:08 Unknown speaker bigger than I think uh anticipated, and
  7520. 5:04:10 Unknown speaker so I'm excited to see that work come
  7521. 5:04:12 Unknown speaker back.
  7522. 5:04:14 Unknown speaker Did you have something to add, Harold?
  7523. 5:04:16 Unknown speaker No, I was going to say I was just going
  7524. 5:04:18 Unknown speaker to say as as we've had conversations, I
  7525. 5:04:21 Unknown speaker think it it really opened our eyes that
  7526. 5:04:24 Unknown speaker this is larger than what we were talking
  7527. 5:04:26 Unknown speaker about and it touches at least
  7528. 5:04:28 Unknown speaker operationally.
  7529. 5:04:30 Unknown speaker It touches almost every area of the
  7530. 5:04:32 Unknown speaker organization and I actually made the
  7531. 5:04:33 Unknown speaker comment
  7532. 5:04:34 Unknown speaker this is oddly a policy and an
  7533. 5:04:36 Unknown speaker operational piece in terms of informing
  7534. 5:04:39 Unknown speaker some both sides of the equation. And
  7535. 5:04:41 Unknown speaker that's where um Christina came up with
  7536. 5:04:43 Unknown speaker this broader concept and maybe digging
  7537. 5:04:47 Unknown speaker into it a little bit more and and trying
  7538. 5:04:49 Unknown speaker to um frame it up a little with a little
  7539. 5:04:53 Unknown speaker bit more detail.
  7540. 5:04:55 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Thanks. So, do you have
  7541. 5:04:58 Unknown speaker So, we'll go ahead and go with um your
  7542. 5:05:02 Unknown speaker recommendation and it kind Yeah. So, do
  7543. 5:05:04 Unknown speaker we agree with this?
  7544. 5:05:06 Unknown speaker Okay. Very good. Okay. Thank you. Thank
  7545. 5:05:09 Unknown speaker you. And
  7546. 5:05:10 Unknown speaker Okay. Next up, sustainability advisory
  7547. 5:05:12 Unknown speaker board.
  7548. 5:05:13 Unknown speaker Oh, yes. Okay. Um, how urgent do we have
  7549. 5:05:17 Unknown speaker to make [laughter] a decision on this,
  7550. 5:05:20 Unknown speaker Ken? Who? Yeah, go ahead. Was that you
  7551. 5:05:22 Unknown speaker perhaps, Council Member Kov?
  7552. 5:05:24 Unknown speaker Yes. Okay. I couldn't I couldn't
  7553. 5:05:26 Unknown speaker remember.
  7554. 5:05:27 Unknown speaker Um, so being on that board and I'm
  7555. 5:05:29 Unknown speaker looking forward to hearing what um,
  7556. 5:05:31 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkins says, but I do I
  7557. 5:05:35 Unknown speaker I I do believe that we need to give this
  7558. 5:05:37 Unknown speaker board much more clear direction and
  7559. 5:05:39 Unknown speaker tasks for them to be efficient um, and
  7560. 5:05:42 Unknown speaker deliberate on on on the things that we
  7561. 5:05:45 Unknown speaker we give them.
  7562. 5:05:46 Unknown speaker I think they're doing really good work
  7563. 5:05:48 Unknown speaker as it is and I think we should keep it
  7564. 5:05:50 Unknown speaker as it is and then maybe reconsider next
  7565. 5:05:52 Unknown speaker year. Would you all be willing or do you
  7566. 5:05:57 Unknown speaker think this would be an appropriate space
  7567. 5:05:58 Unknown speaker for a pre session? You know, when we do
  7568. 5:06:01 Unknown speaker our Yes. to do have an open discussion
  7569. 5:06:04 Unknown speaker about what we want to see. So, we're
  7570. 5:06:06 Unknown speaker going to pause doing anything with the
  7571. 5:06:09 Unknown speaker sustainability advisory board until we
  7572. 5:06:12 Unknown speaker can discuss back and forth at Thank you.
  7573. 5:06:14 Unknown speaker I got to turn off his mic.
  7574. 5:06:17 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  7575. 5:06:18 Unknown speaker Okay. So, Okay. Yes. Okay. We're uh
  7576. 5:06:21 Unknown speaker we'll I'll put it on the next
  7577. 5:06:23 Unknown speaker presession. Okay. Thank you.
  7578. 5:06:25 Unknown speaker Very good. Mayor, that concludes
  7579. 5:06:27 Unknown speaker everything on your truth stuff. There
  7580. 5:06:29 Unknown speaker you go.
  7581. 5:06:30 Unknown speaker Thanks for your patience. Thanks for
  7582. 5:06:31 Unknown speaker staying.
  7583. 5:06:32 Unknown speaker Oh, no. Thank you for your patience cuz
  7584. 5:06:34 Unknown speaker Yeah. Appreciate it. Okay. Cuz I got
  7585. 5:06:36 Unknown speaker tired of kicking it down the road. So,
  7586. 5:06:38 Unknown speaker we uh are now at mayor and council
  7587. 5:06:41 Unknown speaker comments. Are there any comments from
  7588. 5:06:42 Unknown speaker council?
  7589. 5:06:44 Unknown speaker Uh yeah, for real. Okay. Mayor Prom.
  7590. 5:06:46 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Um well I'm just
  7591. 5:06:48 Unknown speaker urging people to get their flu shots and
  7592. 5:06:50 Unknown speaker their COVID 19 boosters because uh
  7593. 5:06:53 Unknown speaker according to NPR this afternoon they're
  7594. 5:06:56 Unknown speaker saying that uh we are at levels in the
  7595. 5:06:58 Unknown speaker west which is normally starts in the uh
  7596. 5:07:01 Unknown speaker south southern states of uh United
  7597. 5:07:04 Unknown speaker States. uh it normally starts there and
  7598. 5:07:07 Unknown speaker moves uh um westward and a strange
  7599. 5:07:12 Unknown speaker phenomenon is occurring that it's
  7600. 5:07:14 Unknown speaker happening in the west and it's at levels
  7601. 5:07:16 Unknown speaker that are that of December. So for flu
  7602. 5:07:20 Unknown speaker shots, so get your shots. It's
  7603. 5:07:22 Unknown speaker important. There are a lot of vulnerable
  7604. 5:07:24 Unknown speaker people out there.
  7605. 5:07:24 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um Council Member
  7606. 5:07:27 Unknown speaker Christ.
  7607. 5:07:29 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh, I want to remind
  7608. 5:07:31 Unknown speaker everybody the NGLA summit um is this
  7609. 5:07:33 Unknown speaker Saturday at 10:00 a.m. And also um about
  7610. 5:07:38 Unknown speaker the cell phone uh problem, maybe contact
  7611. 5:07:41 Unknown speaker your state um public utilities
  7612. 5:07:43 Unknown speaker commission. They have a little more
  7613. 5:07:44 Unknown speaker influence with cell phone carriers. And
  7614. 5:07:48 Unknown speaker then also for the um Yerbby family, I
  7615. 5:07:51 Unknown speaker just wanted to say how sorry we are for
  7616. 5:07:53 Unknown speaker your loss and thank you for for being
  7617. 5:07:57 Unknown speaker courageous and bringing your experience
  7618. 5:07:59 Unknown speaker to us and your part of our community and
  7619. 5:08:03 Unknown speaker so it's a community loss as well.
  7620. 5:08:06 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um Council Member Marcen,
  7621. 5:08:10 Unknown speaker thank you. Um I have been following
  7622. 5:08:13 Unknown speaker council on and off for oh god 20 years.
  7623. 5:08:16 Unknown speaker Um a long time. I'm I'm a nerd. I have
  7624. 5:08:20 Unknown speaker um I have never seen something anywhere
  7625. 5:08:22 Unknown speaker close to what we saw tonight in in a in
  7626. 5:08:25 Unknown speaker a in a meaningful way and also in a good
  7627. 5:08:27 Unknown speaker way. And I wanted to just acknowledge
  7628. 5:08:29 Unknown speaker you, Mayor, um for I think opening your
  7629. 5:08:32 Unknown speaker your heart and your story in a very
  7630. 5:08:34 Unknown speaker meaningful moment. Um, in that moment I
  7631. 5:08:37 Unknown speaker felt very lucky that whatever processor
  7632. 5:08:40 Unknown speaker is about that we're going to go through
  7633. 5:08:43 Unknown speaker over the next period of time, we've got
  7634. 5:08:45 Unknown speaker the right person in the center chair for
  7635. 5:08:46 Unknown speaker that moment. And I I just want to
  7636. 5:08:49 Unknown speaker express um you know, you know,
  7637. 5:08:54 Unknown speaker it is a um in I'm going to get
  7638. 5:08:58 Unknown speaker emotional. Um, I don't think anybody
  7639. 5:08:59 Unknown speaker could listen to what we listen to and
  7640. 5:09:01 Unknown speaker not come away from that feeling deeply
  7641. 5:09:04 Unknown speaker moved and wanting an outcome that is
  7642. 5:09:08 Unknown speaker both just and right in every sense of
  7643. 5:09:11 Unknown speaker the term for the Yerby family, for our
  7644. 5:09:14 Unknown speaker city. Um,
  7645. 5:09:16 Unknown speaker and I I know that that's going to be the
  7646. 5:09:18 Unknown speaker pursuit of of our staff and of the city.
  7647. 5:09:20 Unknown speaker And I I look forward to hopefully as a
  7648. 5:09:23 Unknown speaker um as this moves forward, we we find the
  7649. 5:09:25 Unknown speaker way to get there. Um, the only other
  7650. 5:09:27 Unknown speaker thing I would mention is, um,
  7651. 5:09:29 Unknown speaker appreciated your comments, mayor, at the
  7652. 5:09:30 Unknown speaker beginning of the meeting about the cell
  7653. 5:09:31 Unknown speaker phone issue. Um, I know you've been hard
  7654. 5:09:33 Unknown speaker at work on that as well. And, uh, yeah,
  7655. 5:09:36 Unknown speaker just keep the complaints coming. Uh,
  7656. 5:09:38 Unknown speaker they're they're they're listening.
  7657. 5:09:40 Unknown speaker It's it's data collection as well. So, I
  7658. 5:09:42 Unknown speaker know like as much as people don't want
  7659. 5:09:43 Unknown speaker to call the 611 number or contact, I'm
  7660. 5:09:46 Unknown speaker like, it is data collection.
  7661. 5:09:48 Unknown speaker So, yeah.
  7662. 5:09:49 Unknown speaker Yeah. But I I really I really just
  7663. 5:09:50 Unknown speaker wanted to shut you up, Mayor. Thank you.
  7664. 5:09:52 Unknown speaker Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. Um,
  7665. 5:09:54 Unknown speaker Council Member Koffer.
  7666. 5:09:55 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I also want to echo
  7667. 5:09:57 Unknown speaker what everybody said about the Ure
  7668. 5:09:58 Unknown speaker family. Thank you for coming and
  7669. 5:10:00 Unknown speaker speaking and
  7670. 5:10:01 Unknown speaker being part of our community. Um I know
  7671. 5:10:04 Unknown speaker they all waited and mayor, thank you for
  7672. 5:10:05 Unknown speaker adjusting the schedule for them cuz
  7673. 5:10:07 Unknown speaker having
  7674. 5:10:08 Unknown speaker for them to sit through the the budget
  7675. 5:10:10 Unknown speaker and the annexations like that would have
  7676. 5:10:12 Unknown speaker been that would have been torture. So
  7677. 5:10:14 Unknown speaker thank you so much for accommodating
  7678. 5:10:15 Unknown speaker them.
  7679. 5:10:16 Unknown speaker Um I got my B changing uh topics. I did
  7680. 5:10:19 Unknown speaker get my ballot. There's a lot in this
  7681. 5:10:22 Unknown speaker ballot. So please please please educate
  7682. 5:10:24 Unknown speaker yourself. Uh the League of Women Voters
  7683. 5:10:27 Unknown speaker are doing an event on um the 19th of
  7684. 5:10:30 Unknown speaker October um at the St. St. Fra Cery. Um
  7685. 5:10:33 Unknown speaker it's called the good, the bad, and the
  7686. 5:10:35 Unknown speaker ugly. Um so please before you start
  7687. 5:10:38 Unknown speaker filling out your ballot and turning it
  7688. 5:10:39 Unknown speaker in, don't just read the titles, do your
  7689. 5:10:42 Unknown speaker research because some of the things
  7690. 5:10:43 Unknown speaker sound really great, but they're really
  7691. 5:10:45 Unknown speaker not. Thank you.
  7692. 5:10:48 Unknown speaker Yeah, good point. Thank you. Um Council
  7693. 5:10:50 Unknown speaker Member Popkin.
  7694. 5:10:51 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Mayor pretend uh my
  7695. 5:10:53 Unknown speaker flu shot and co shot are scheduled for
  7696. 5:10:54 Unknown speaker next Monday. I'll be ready. Um the uh
  7697. 5:10:58 Unknown speaker mayor I I actually just wanted to echo
  7698. 5:11:00 Unknown speaker what um both council members Koffer and
  7699. 5:11:03 Unknown speaker Mars said. I thought um you handled that
  7700. 5:11:06 Unknown speaker very well and it was there was no easy
  7701. 5:11:08 Unknown speaker way to handle that and I just wanted to
  7702. 5:11:10 Unknown speaker say thank you. Um I think sometimes an
  7703. 5:11:13 Unknown speaker un underappreciated tool in the mayor's
  7704. 5:11:16 Unknown speaker arsenal is reordering the agenda and I
  7705. 5:11:17 Unknown speaker thought you did it at a very appropriate
  7706. 5:11:19 Unknown speaker time and I appreciate your leadership on
  7707. 5:11:20 Unknown speaker that. Thank you. Oh, thank you very
  7708. 5:11:22 Unknown speaker much. I appreciate that. And you know,
  7709. 5:11:24 Unknown speaker I've been doing social and racial
  7710. 5:11:26 Unknown speaker justice work for about 30 years now
  7711. 5:11:30 Unknown speaker where I've presented on systems of
  7712. 5:11:32 Unknown speaker oppression looking at the whole gamut
  7713. 5:11:34 Unknown speaker and as well as spending the last now 15
  7714. 5:11:39 Unknown speaker years of dstigmatizing mental health and
  7715. 5:11:43 Unknown speaker um mental illness and talking candidly
  7716. 5:11:45 Unknown speaker and open openly. And you know, I belong
  7717. 5:11:48 Unknown speaker to a very strong force of Colorado Mad
  7718. 5:11:51 Unknown speaker Moms. And I'm very um happy to work with
  7719. 5:11:54 Unknown speaker them because having those support
  7720. 5:11:56 Unknown speaker networks are what keep me going and
  7721. 5:11:58 Unknown speaker being able to share my story because um
  7722. 5:12:02 Unknown speaker because there are people out there. I I
  7723. 5:12:04 Unknown speaker feel like I'm noticing that there are
  7724. 5:12:05 Unknown speaker more people going through and carrying
  7725. 5:12:08 Unknown speaker burdens that we are than not. And so to
  7726. 5:12:12 Unknown speaker be able to openly share these stories is
  7727. 5:12:15 Unknown speaker to be human and to to be strong
  7728. 5:12:20 Unknown speaker community leaders as well. So I'm going
  7729. 5:12:23 Unknown speaker to keep on Yeah. cause me to be banned
  7730. 5:12:26 Unknown speaker from a few buildings. Okay. [laughter]
  7731. 5:12:30 Unknown speaker Yeah. They're trying.
  7732. 5:12:33 Unknown speaker So okay. So do we have city manager?
  7733. 5:12:36 Unknown speaker Nope. Um okay. Thank you. We have a
  7734. 5:12:38 Unknown speaker motion to adjurnn. It a second. All
  7735. 5:12:40 Unknown speaker those in favor? I we are journed.
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